Why I Haven't Stopped BUYING Games Workshop Stuff... YET
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- I find myself playing & buying less Games Workshop stuff. But what GW items will I not stop buying? And why?
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A very sensible and sober take. As consumers, we must beware of choosing sides and fighting the companies' battles for them. Games Workshop has enjoyed a hegemony over the hobby for nearly four decades now, but the tide is shifting. Their competitors are slowly but surely growing, and that is only a good thing for us hobbyists, because competition favors the consumer. There is no need for hobbyists to declare their allegiance, but instead they should enjoy the wealth of options at their fingertips, picking and choosing whatever games, models and supplies they find interesting, GW or otherwise. The label on the packaging doesn't actually mean anything, it's just marketing. It's the enjoyment at the table that matters.
I haven't done a hard boycott of gw, it's just that when I look for models I can usually find what I want somewhere else for cheaper. My budget is tight, and mostly playing miniature agnostic games means I can forego gw unless they put out something I really, really like.
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@@phoenixzappa7366 Have to admit, never tried it...
The used market is also flush with models in various states of painted/unpainted etc, little more work but huge saving.
Yep. I'm currently trying to build a traitor guard army using exclusively third party models.
My infantry is mostly wargames Atlantic stuff. So much cheaper, so many options, and just as good. The scale is also less "chunky heroic" too, which I prefer for non-power armoured humanoids.
Thank you so much for everything you do for the community, Uncle Atom, oh mighty slayer of Krakalaka-Dingdongs! 😅
You presented excellent and relatable statements in this video. I am looking forward to seeing you contrast contrast paints. 😎👍
Dudes and dudettes be like:
"I'll only ever buy from the G-Workshop again, if it snows in hell!"
"What about rain in hell?"
"Reign in Hell is an awesome game! Everyone and their mother should buy and play it!" 😁👍
Duders and Duderettes be like: I wont buy from GW every again so unfair so expensive BOO GW
1 day later after a release announcement: OMFG HAVE YOU SEEN THE NEW Blurbatis Modularis Grantis Poweracreep model GW released? NEEEEEED!!!! NOW!!!!
Personally, Its not just the models for me. There are tons of other companies out there making top notch models and Resin printing is now at the point where its quality is as good as GW aside from being made out of resin. However, I enjoy the background and the story of the GW models and when I am painting something from a story that I like, I imagine the model in the story and that helps me put more into my painting. Earlier this year I painted some non-GW models for someone else on commission. The models were fine. I did a good job on them and the client was happy. I hated the process. I felt like I was just going through the motions and when I was done, I didn't feel attached to the models despite spending so much time on them. Maybe it was because the models weren't mine, but maybe it was because I had no connection to the story behind the models.
New KT is best what GW released in many years. Regarding paints new Army Painter line of paints similar to Contrasts looks very interesting.
i prefer old KT, bc its very similar to 8th / 9th and i can use any model
This is basically the boat I'm in with gw as well.
Time was, anything not gw was just not as good. Now? Not only are gw kits less repeatable in terms of the mono posing, and not only sre they an order of magnitude more expensive....the alternatives in the 3d printing space can hack it with them in terms of quality. And sometimes? Even if gws sculpts edge them out a little bit just the fact of variety means I won't be buying exclusively gw.
My first five Blood Knights for my new soul blight army will be the new gw sculpts. The next 5 will be 3d printed- I've got some gorgeous multi part sculpts from Highlands Minis with an old school vibe, and some from Fleshcraft that are deliciously customizable.
Hello from Japan. I love watching your videos. Great inspiration.
You really seem to love skirmish games and mention several throughout your videos and Every Other Sunday shows but I rarely hear you mention Necromunda. Would be really interested in hearing your thoughts on that game vs. say Warcry or Kill Team. They all seem similar in size.
Ok, so I listen to You as a podcast while I'm working. And imagine how funny it was, when I've burst into laughter in the middle of my workshop when I've heard "krakalakadingdong". Thanks, Uncle, everyone looks at me funny now!
Looking forward to your review of the Army Painter speed paints
My terminators for my Beaky Space Marine army are from 1st edition Space Hulk and I love them. That was a game. That was when GW could still capture lightning in a battle. The mission scenario briefings were mind-blowing in their succinct world-building.
Loving the t-shirt!
I’m actually not a fan of gw models. The plastic is great, great detail level. But I find the bulk of their sculpts boring by large. To me they look too much like they are posing for a photo.
I feel vindicated by your difficulty to the Karkadrak Chaos Lord. I lost blood to that model trying to make the pieces snap together.
blood for the blood god ?
maybe it's a conspiracy by GW to call the real Khnorne ;)
@@NotTheStinkyCheese Khorne models shed your blood.
It's not a design flaw, it's a feature. :D
When I think of not supporting GW, I tend to think along the lines of never buying directly from the online store or thier retail stores. I never buy thier paints or accessories. If a kit interests me, I will buy it from a local store at a discount or online at discount. But I refuse to play thier games.
The benefit of my pile of shame is that I don't need to shop for new models and try out new games!
I'm being facetious of course, I'd actually love to try out new games, and I enjoy looking at alternate model lines, but as a parent with a full time job I have a very finite amount of time to play. My friends and I play GW games because its what we already own and what we've been enjoying. I've only recently (about a year ago now) gotten back into the hobby and previously I only played for a few months several years ago so while I can see why entrenched players get upset with GW it was still the easiest widest known option to get into when I got back in and I've really enjoyed the gameplay, granted my buddies and I play mostly crusade and mostly loose rules but I have to assume there's a lot of us out there and that seems to be be what GW is targeting with a lot of their new advertising and company direction. It works clearly or I wouldn't be here now talking about it. So I do feel bad for entrenched players (as an old magic the gathering player I get it) but I also feel like getting in as an adult in my late 30's almost 40's I care more about having fun with it 4 hours a week because that's all I have and less about what insane things the company is doing.
Edit: I'm not saying it's smart to do that, just that's what I've been doing.
You know, there has been a time when I was thinking just like you. Not anymore. And curiously enough, Nuln Oil, Agrax Earthshade and Seraphim Sepia were the first to be substituted...
I do stopped buying GW stuff. I'll still buy some GW miniatures, sure, they're really good but I'll buy them second hand, not new. I'll stick with Vallejo and Green Stuff World because they're good quality and from my country. I can't wait to replace my contrast paints with Army Painter Speedpaints. About rulesets and books... I can't stand the GW politics about them, I'll not swap my books every X month, there're many agnostic games out there way better.
Mantics new deadzone terrain has awnings and food markets.
I know that not everyone has the budget for GW, but to my perspective, I have friends who are into cars most of which are money puts. Compared to that hobby, collecting and painting miniatures is practically miserly. So, I allow myself to splurge and just get the GW stuff Iike.
Great video and again, given in that balanced style that acknowledges realities but is still open to possibilities. I was jazzed for KT'21 but cooled on the idea pretty quick when I started looking into Infinity and Deadzone. It's great that we have so many options now days. I'm extra pumped for the AP Speedpaints but just like you I know I'll always have Nuln Oil, Aggrax and probably a few Contrast paints I'm familiar with. The idea of total boycotts and leaving a company forever just aren't realistic or probably healthy.
I quit GW paints all together. There is nothing for which there is no alternative in dropper bottles anymore. Washes? The Army Painter. Contrasts? The Army Painter. Mediums? Vallejo. Metals? DEFINITIVELY Vallejo (Metal Color NOT Model Color... VEEEERY important!). Layer paints? Almost ANY other Brand. etc.
GW paint stuff is just completely overpriced in my opinion, and at no point significantly better than other stuff on the market. Yes some of the new single pigment contrasts are tempting (red... only the red). But for that price tag? No, just no. I mean, I don't even want to go on about the topic of brushes and that stuff.
Also I have about 20 dried out paints from them from over 10 Years ago. I have a Vallejo Model Color Black from the same time and it is still good as new.
The Models are a totally different story. As you said, best models out there and really not THAT expensive if you stay away from the special characters and super special kits. I am building a Kruleboyz Army for unter 200 $[€]. For a ton of models. And they are great. Looks, details, poses, build. All top notch.
... Still not paying retail :P
40K got me into the hobby but been trying more new stuff for years. Don't actually like anyone I played 40K with in the local area because that "Space Marines are the good guys!" mentality is paired with "fascism isn't all bad..." more often then most like to admit. But once things are more back to normal and I can game again, it'll be more stuff like Infinity or other low model count games. My box of hundreds of Orks will always be special to me, but I need to focus games that are lighter to carry around and quicker to play.
Chastlist with the new Battle tech and Battlefront with the new WW3 Team yankee are with in 10% the detail of GW but much cheaper... So to me a much better vaule... Which Battletech is what got me into table top lore, Warhammer 40K and their video games and Mini Wargaming like no one plays Battletech really on youtube not beck then now people are like Alpha strike do but still not alot... Also Shadow Run lore and the RPG show that started roll4it... So to me GW is not the best in lore, Barely in quality and alomst never in price. But I can see why you like them and as you've said not your only thing... Still can't really under stand how GW can over price all of there stuff so much though...
I think it's a little early to judge Kill Team. The White Dwarf Kill Team rules have me thinking that all those old Kill Team lists aren't quite ruled completely out just yet.
It's just a waiting game, as with everything with GW
Sounds like a waiting AND buying game, if I have to pick up a bunch of White Dwarf issues just to get better Kill Team lists. I feel like they’re trying to take some hints from video games and DLC. Thanks for watching!
You make a lot of really good objective points as always. Sometimes I wish you were my uncle:-)
Great video. Corporations are not your friends is a good one, but nowadays I feel you are attacked if you're not backing them one way or another. We have this strange thing going on where we are supposed to bitch about it, but hell breaks loose when we go to another company.
This strange 'loyalism' is what I've noticed the most within the Warhammer communities (that I know of). Do I think GW is scummy? Hell yeah. Does that mean I dislike my brand new Black Templar army? hell no. If I see something I like, I'll get it. Same as you! :)
I've been collecting para bellums conquest. You guys should look it up. The models keep getting better as they grow. The rules are better than gws age of sigmar. They are a smaller company cheaper game. Check out the apex preditor they just released. It's top notch. Also the scale is a little larger so easier to paint. Some of the models from a couple years ago are ehh. But they have come a long way in a short time. If more people invest in them I believe they have what it take to surpass gw. There is a lot more to say about them. However I gotta go. Look them up! And see for yourself.
I did... now I only buy resin!!! its kinda hard to decide what models to buy, but when I buy resin, the possibilities are endless!!!!
cool stuff.
you can make your own nuln oil in huge batches. I mean really how special is it, I'm sure somebody else has perfected it by now. :)
After the Black Templars range pre-order fiasco, I will never be buying anything directly from GW again. I might buy their stuff from my LGS, but other than that, I'll steer clear from supporting them. Still waiting on my Templar order to arrive, and they wouldn't let me cancel the order a week ago.
I like Necromunda out of the specialty games. Their prices are expensive but I'll bite the bullet for certain items.
I am in the hobby only about a year and 2 months now, and honestly I do not see myself buying anything else than GW models. I am trying some new oaints and so one, but the quality of AOS models compared to the other ones is just amazing. Every new AOS mini I see amazes me.
Also I have no time to play more than AOS system, and it would just be hard for me to start another one.
And 3rdly I honestly feel this strange sence of loyality to GW. I play their game so I think I should do it with their models. It may be silly, but I really feel this way.
I get why epople are getting angrier and angrier about some of GW pollicies and I am to. If they piss me off wnough I quit. But up to this point- GW all they way!
You should look at some of the stuff 3d printers are churning out. GW's lizardmen are awful compared to those.
@@stevenschnepp576 for sure, the old models arez No 2 ways about it
Its a weird place for me. I longsince abandoned the GW games themselves, though the video games...i periodically find them fun. They supplies are a decent par to try to get or beat if buying other brands.
I dont want to support them, but at the same time I dont hate a company doing company things. I get it. Mind you with rumors of them maybe bringing back battlefleet gothic.... Hnng lol.They already brought back that dogfighting offshoot of battlefleet lol I am allowed hope
Just don't buy directly from GW in the US right now. I pre-ordered an item in early November but it took over a month to ship. Online retailers had the same item ready to ship just a couple of days after the release date. Also, GW can't cancel the order once it enters their new automated fulfillment system they setup to keep up with demand.
hey! I have a question: i've recently got into wargaming and minipainting and i've primed my army with normal acrylic spray can. i've asked people from my community page in social media what to do, and everybody told me that i should strip them or be ready for the paint to chip. and that kinda upset me and now i don't know either should i strip them and prime them or just continue painting them and don't worry about it? And i have a video idea for you. It would be cool if you'd talk about mistakes and how to deal with them.
Unless they are metal and you plan on being rough with them paint on. Stripping paint should be reserved for rare, or metal models.
Can you tell us the exact product you used? I'm sure if I can't someone else can give you another opinion on wether or not your paint will chip.
dont worry about it. spraypaint will stick to things. when they clear up grafiti they use high preassure water or sandblasting so your paint wont come of easily. Transporting minis is when chipping occurs so your solution there will matter more then the brand of rattlecan you prime with. varnish your minis after you finish painting to protect the paintjob. If you play at home you dont even really need to varnish them if you get the habit of only gripping them by the base.
the model companies tend to tell us that only their product can prevent forestfires and chipping but a lot of people use regular rattlecans designed for art or cars at half the price and it turns out just fine. If the particular brand you have used wont bind to plastic then its an exeption and not the rule. Just let the rattlecan set for a bit and you wont have an issue in 99% of cases
Rarely do you get a good answer from social media without first filtering noise from the signal.
I've used normal acrylic spray paint for years without issue. It comes out a bit thicker with some brands, but that just means I move the can faster for the same coverage.
Updates to games we didn’t like so much, I’m still salty about Fantasy being killed 😂.
I've been dissapointed in the recent GW models I've purchased. The "jigsaw" style of assembly leaves a ton of nasty gaps to either fill or live with the ugliness.
I'm not quite sure about new people hearing about GW stuff first being the majority anymore
Completely agree. Videos like this are why I love the channel: well iterated, not bombastic, no clickbait.
Keep up the great work, Uncle Atom!
"The Corporation is not your friend" is a great line and one that as a consumer is forgotten. The Corporation is their to provide an organization to manage the selling and finances of the provision of a product. Their goal is to get a consumer to buy more for the companies interests.
That is why there is a marketing department to put a spin on what is going on behind the scenes. Ultimately its a matter of not relying on a Corporation to provide what you want in a hobby. Its setting up your hobby in a fashion that does not require the Corporation to make any specific moves.
Also, they use the term "consumer," which I've always felt implies a one-way relationship, as though we're passive. Customer implies they actually have to seek and win our custom.
@@peterclarke7240 So I would say that goes back to my comment on their Marketing department. That is the winning hearts and minds department to make the transaction palletable. Consumer or Customer or even End User it is the same. As individual it's your buying power that would shift a corporation not whether or not you are a customer. If you as an individual could buy out a store, take out investments or reduce a company's finances by offering an alternative product in the market you have power. An individual buying models has no power in the greater scheme on a corporation.
@@roryspickett9881 Wrong, as a consumer you can choose not to consume. Don't be fooled by the shiniest object. It may be Fool's Gold. Educate yourself and others that you, and they, are hobbyists. I've been invested in historical, sci-fi, and fantasy miniatures and games since 1973. The only GW product I found Valuable in the true sense was Adeptus Titanicus (and by association, Epic Space Marine). Nothing out there quite like it in 1989 I believe it was. Ranges made sense, it was quite a good game. But soon, the boxed sets got smaller, they started adding tomes, the box sets got even smaller, they introduced metals and imbalance, and killed it for me, at least. GW has been doing this for longer than I care to remember. As hobbyists we have a cornucopia of options, some of the products drastically less, and given your tastes, dare I say a better fit. Sizes from 6mm to 40mm with lots of choices. Folks do your research and question Value. People argue about paints all the time. Do the same with rulesets, size of battles, and representative troops. You may even enjoy the research! Don't be barked into what to do Discover! Thanks for reading if you made it to here ( :
@@patrickmassonne1919 I do not understand what you are stating I am wrong about. My comment stated was that hobbyist would be in the best position if they setup their hobby to not be affected by corporate decisions. That does include not buying or buying very little from one source.
@@roryspickett9881 Hey Rory, Gotcha. I misunderstood your comment on advertisement as resignation to a corporation's propaganda. I now understand your point, and totally agree.
Thanks for setting me straight. I just don't understand the allure of GW when there are so many Mom and Pop stores you can support, get to know, and get great minis and service. Peace.
For me, the biggest threat to GW is that their games are not accessible to new Hobbyists. Too complicated, too many rules dispatched in many expensive books. The only simple game remaining is Warcry, and I am afraid of the next release.
It will be "killteamized"
Warcry and bloobowl sevens are the best ones
Actually I think with e.g 40k, you can take or leave a lot of rules. We never use all the data cards other than CPs on re-rolls. Warcry and Underworlds are very accessible. BB even more so
I like BB7 but you need to know all 60 skills and 28 traits to run it smoothly. Not that easy
And for 40k, it is difficult for a rookie to know which rule is important. It is always easier to add home rules than to remove official rules
I totally agreed with you about kill team at first, but im surprised that after a few games and a better understanding of how it all runs together I actually enjoyed the rules way more than kill team 1. that said I still do really miss the customization
New KT certainly has its strengths, I can't say I love it though, and I gotta say I prefer the old system more. The damage in new KT is much better though IMO, I hate how some guys could straggle on for far too long with flesh wounds and the likes.
My biggest gripe is how *terrible* the Space Marines teams are. I don't want to keep being punished for Pariah Nexus.
Honestly, the Kill Team rules are okay - they’re just Warcry rules with extra stuff added and bolted on. It’s the customization (or lack thereof) in list building that I really miss. Thanks for watching!
Lol you think you're playing Kill Team 2.0 ........... The first 5 "Kill Teams" where free rules in White Dwarf
You should do a video on picking minis that are fun to paint. Been doing that exclusively lately, totally changed my flow on things. Used to despise the hobby lol, now it's great.
Yeah, I feel ya. Sometimes too much detail makes the miniature a chore to paint. I personally think that the Death Guard line is great for painting: they have just the right amount of deatail, and since everything is rotten and decayed, you can get away with doing some nasty painting.
That's a great idea for a video.
Agreed. I painted a 2000 point beastman army a few years ago. It almost killed the hobby for me. I'm so glad I got into skirmish and smaller miniature games. Kitbashing and cool individual minis saved my hobby!
I’m doing that right now! Genestealer cults are my jam for fun painting
I have to begrudgingly agree regarding the Washes. While they are expensive they still do their job. I buy my models second hand though. That being said, I have learned to love Oil Washes, yeah you work with very harsh chemicals to thin them. But the results are undeniably better than my go to Washes.
Still GW prices are absurd, and I am dialing back my Warhammer purchases at least not directly to GW. I am diving into other mini games that aren't Warhammer, it's a tough decision but sometimes you have to let go of things you care about just to make a statement.
I don't approve of GW's decisions as of late.
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i cheat a lot, or life cheats for me - i have very little free time anyway, many hobbys and even less time to play a round of Tabletop games. Add to that my rule that i dont buy new stuff until i finished a Bracket of my existing stuff, and that i only have one project at the time going ... i actually rarely buy anything exept paints that dry up because im a slow painter and dont often find time to do the painting.
GW prices are high oh boy yes - and that comes from a swiss citizen with a ok salery (which puts me on a higher buying power relatively speeking than many others in the hobby) - but when i look at the pile of shame from many that complain about gw prices... i wonder if its GW to blame here or their unwillingness to restrain themselfs.
And yes my steam library also is a big pile of shame not gonna hide that fact.
I make my own washes using acrylic medium, water, a dab of soap, and paint. It's absurdly simple, and you can alter the consistency and opacity as needed. It's saved me tons of cash.
@@thehat4244 gotta test this. I used just lots of water and little abaddon black to shade few minast tirith warriors, with decent results. I only own reikland fleshshade, might try to mix it to black, to get nuln oil. Might add some soap, now that I have slight idea, what may be in these shades. XD also been experimenting with Tamiya alcohol based paints mixed some flat black with abaddon black and got nice fast drying flat black from it. Tamiya mix dryed to wet palette, just as fast it did on dry one, must be the alcohol in it. Abaddon black stopped going so gray and got way thinner flat black surface. Struggling and juggling with limited tools, can be fun sometimes. Don't forget to XD... when you drop your models to floor so hard that their limbs be flying across the room, to oblivion. Try find em before releasing vacuum monster. XD
@@Axonteer imagine getting married with only 1 game 😆
I'm glad you did this video (actually, almost every video of yours I find useful/entertaining/enjoyable). I understand the frustrations others have (I have many of them myself)... I think that that and the fact you've been bringing up so many other companies (game-wise) is why they ask you.
Many either having forgotten your hobby hero purpose of trying to help people get into the hobby... not GW. But you also recognize that GW is a major entry point.
I appreciate that you let us know what you like and don't like about GW, their games, their paints and sculpts.
I got into GW because I had heard of them as a non-tabletop gamer (of any type), had, luckily, good experiences at the GW stores I went to. But... after the last 2 years of getting into the hobby (your videos SERIOUSLY kept me motivated and in my right mind for it) and breaking out to try models from other companies... GW consistently puts out sculpts that grab my eye and I find fun to assemble, a few exceptions apply.
As much as Games Workshop May grab the attention of people, I feel like it does a lot to scare people away from the hobby too. I know a decent number of people who think that the hobby is incredibly overpriced just because of Games Workshop, so I have to reintroduce them to other companies. I'm okay with buying less and less from them because in my experience it makes the hobby more accessible
Got any cheaper alternative suggestions?
@@MohsinKhokhar1 fireforge games. Victrix ltd. Wargames Atlantic. Warlord games. Mantic games. These are mostly plastics too
@@MohsinKhokhar1 gripping beast, and Northstar miniatures oathmark, stargrave, and Frostgrave lines too!
@@magimon91834 Awesome! Thank you so much for taking the time to reply.
If you paint, build, sculpt and game , there is zero inexpensive way to do it. After over 30 years in, Im invested monetarily, time wise and dedication. Its not a commitment for short term enjoyment
Those necromunda markets were an instant buy for my Star Wars Legion tatooine board. I've probably bought 90% of the necromunda for use in other games! I'm not buying as blindly as I was a few years back.
I definitely agree. To be fair most of the AoS and 40K range have very distinct design styles that can clash with other kinds of terrain, but the Necromunda line is "neutral" enough and quite nice to mix and match.
@@JohnnyLeyenda Absolutely. Downside being that I'm sure Games Workshop has a massively inflated idea of how many people are actually playing Necromunda! 🤣
@@chrishughes1376 Oh for sure. I would love to play the game, I have heard really nice things about it, but there's literally no scene in my area, so it'd be a massive investment with no returns besides the cool minis and terrain. A shame really!
@@JohnnyLeyenda Aye! It suffers from a horrific lack of balance, but then if you're playing it outside of a roleplay mindset, you or your opponent is going to have a bad time! 😬
For the most part I have to agree (apart from the 'keeping up with GW' stuff, because I don't have a YT channel :D). Their non-standard paints/washes are nice (don't get me started how much I hate the base/layer paints system), their models, for the most part, are very cool, though honestly I think some of the character stuff overly complicated and overwrought. The pricing model is a bit annoying though, a single monopose (with limited options) plastic Commissar costs half as much as an entire multipart Mark III Space Marine squad... For the most part if I want a character model it's usually cheaper to kitbash one than it is to buy that specific model.
The thing about minis games is that there are so, SO many of them out there and almost all of them have had more care and thought put into their rules then GW really has put into any game that isn’t necromunda or blood bowl. Been playing tabletop games since I was about 5 and 30 years later I just don’t understand why folks are willing to put up with their awful communication and terrible release cycle. It’s a shame because I like the worlds and they ARE one of the companies still putting out tabletop games where narrative has a good spotlight. What can ya do I guess.
I like a variety of miniatures from different companies, but I do like that gw still make their miniatures in the UK. I have nothing against China or anywhere else for that matter, but I like that not everything is being outsourced to cheap labour and seeing jobs and skills being lost. I am prepared to pay a bit more to promote jobs and industry domestically. Most of their stuff is very good quality to be fair. I don't like everything they do, but generally it's of a very high standard.
Sorry to break it to you but more and more stuff is being produced in China.
@@Dr-Broc hate to break it to you but no not with GW *pulls my most recent buys* see the union jack flag its a product of the uk the stuff that is from china pretty much all their paper RSS books data card packaging ect and this is not new. that said Gw is quite proud of the fact that they make there own models
Most of us are in the same position for all GW’s faults they do produce some excellent stuff. I mostly buy from eBay but I’ll still buy directly from GW not everything they sell is a ripoff. I just purchased the “Battle in Balin’s Tomb”board game and am very pleased with it. I’d advise anyone to just be selective with your GW purchases
They are a rip off in australia 🇦🇺 thats why i went to 3d printing instead
Not really
I mean their vet gaurd and ork cammado Killteam 2 box actaully under cuts some of the comptition and I bought it becuase it's one of the few things I've found GW makes that was what I wanted and a good vaule... Also the Storm hammer a Forge world super heavy I will have that one day... Still good vaule GW pruducts are very rare and most of GW's stuff is like X3 times the cost of everyone else's.
Oil washes have totally stolen the show for me these last couple of weeks, you have got to try them if you haven't yet. Get yourself a high quality ivory black and a burnt umber to mix in and it absolutely blows agrax and nuln out of the water. The grim dankness is strong with oils.
Try out just straight up painting with oils next. There's a learning curve but after a few test models, I get better results, faster. I pretty much just use acrylics for airbrush work and metalics now. The only reason for the metallics is simply that I don't have metalic oils.
@@ColonelSandersLite I am absolutely considering this after watching Marco Frisoni's videos on the topic. Just need to get some more colours!
Great video. My involvement in the hobby now boils down to watching your videos. It’s how I can vicariously enjoy a hobby I literally don’t have time for. I bought Nightvault because I thought Thorns of the Briar Queen were such amazing models. It’s sitting unopened on my shelf. I think there have been two new editions of that game since. Maybe one day I’ll find time to paint them. In the meantime I’ll continue following your channel and imaging I’m a war gamer.
Some people can't help themselves and they need their fix..... no matter how many times the dealer pisses on their head.
P..s. Warcry is probably the best skirmish game in GW's current lineup.
I'm still waiting for Battlefleet Gothic., but after seeing how expensive Adeptus Titanicus was...
As always - the what is right fro you might not always be right for others - pick the parts of anything that work best and enjoy :D Thanks Uncle Atom
I still cannot wrap my head around where people get the games workshop make the highest quality models idea from. Years ago people would say the same thing and I could not understand how anyone even moderately invested in the miniature space would be able to completely ignore the terrible flaws in GW sculpts. Coming back from a long hiatus I gave GW the benefit of the doubt when people were saying how great the quality is but they unfortunately still have the same issues I had with the sculpts 10 years ago. The drafting angles and complete lack of problem solving in the sprue layout that often results in any detail along a certain plane of a sculpt is completely deleted is still unfortunately there. If what people actually mean is the art style I can agree and maybe it is just miscommunication but art style =/= quality or detail.
For as long as I have been gaming and hobbying, there have always been people who have felt the need to dump on GW for whatever reason, warranted or not, at every opportunity. They'll always tell you how much happier they are "boycotting" GW blah blah blah... and I've always asked myself who they were trying to convince. Play and buy what you like, GW or not.
Time wasted promoting "boycotts" is time that could be spent promoting other great games.
Couldn't agree more. Hating on GW is essentially a hobby itself.
You make a great point that you owe a company, Any company nothing and vice versa . However, if they produce things that you like at a reasonable price then you buy them. That’s it, nice and simple.
Precisely. I hate when people try to make the relationship between the company and customer more than it is. GW is too big to care.
... not that it excuses their abuse of DMCA, but taking it personally when they keep selling plastic crack at prices we keep buying is a bit much.
I've had to stop buying from GW because of my health and financial situation, not going to stop me playing with my 2k point army. Keep up the great work 😃
What does your health to do with buying GW products?
@@MrLordi27 Probably hard to budget for minis when paying for necessary medications. Or, medical condition is limiting a person’s ability to work to begin with.
Certainly the costs rising prettily steadily since 1998 hasn't helped GW. It does make sense with the advances in technology etc but what used to cost $15 is now equivalently $98.
That being said I am grateful for GW for getting me into the hobby at all in my youth.
But even with my pull away from them I still use their shades etc also.
I'm in a similar position to you. I used to get lots of things from them, but i no longer even play their games. Still, i'm in for the models, so i'm still getting Necron stuff from them once in a while because i love my undead robot egyptians. But i don't feel compelled to keep choosing them, i only get some individual stuff because i like it, but it's been happening less and less.
There are so many companies that deserve support besides Games Workshop . I haven't bought a GW product in years .
I stopped buying GW altogether. Price is way too high for what I get plus I can't support a company that treat their customer base so bad. They may be the biggest in the hobby but they are not THE hobby. I'm having too much fun with other games to go back.
I've tried some GW board games but all of them got bad rulles and wanted to take your money away.
After plating different games like Malifaux, Infinity, Bolt action, Battletech and so on I cant understand why are all those people buying GW stuff.
There are no game designers - there are only sales managers.
Great thing that GW done are at old future - Mordheim, Blood Bowl and bunch of that 15-20+ years outdated games.
But now they are worried only about one thing - your wallet.
So nope, thanks, I will go and play Battletech with friends.
How dare you have your own agency and collect the models you want 😏
I loved this video. For me, while I have been a bit dissatisfied with a lot of what GW has been doing of late (I do still enjoy AoS and what used to be called Specialist games), to me nowadays, a model is a model. if I like it, and I can fit it into one of the armies/factions/whatever I play in a given game (or can make something up to fit them in!) then I'll buy it. I use GW models in other games, and vice versa. No need to be tied to a company for anything. I'll use tools and paints I like from everyone and if I can make a cool thing smooshing together GW, 3rd party and 3d printed to order parts then I've got a cool toy to play with.
GW is the reason I got into the hobby back in the late 90s. Mainly, it was the lore/background, then the miniatures, then the distant promise of actually learning the rules and playing a game one day (I still haven't played a full game, 20+ years later...). I think it's a smart move on your part to keep covering GW, and I really appreciate your honest opinions about their products. I think they're going to be increasingly challenged in the miniature marketplace going forward, though, with the meteoric rise of 3D printing. People simply aren't going to be willing to part with $50 (or more) for a unit of five models, when they can 3D print some very respectable alternatives for a fraction of the cost. If GW are to survive going forward (and I really hope they do) then they need to be more responsive to fan feedback. For example, I love their regular acrylic paint line, but those pots are such an awful design that I now buy from other companies who use dropper bottles instead. And don't get me started on the constant rule changes, which make the codex or army book you just bought instantly obsolete. That stuff drives me nuts!
@@redscope897 I don't think I said that naff paint pots were the sum of the problem. The major concern for GW has to be the rapid rise of home-based 3D printing. I'm a huge fan of GW; have been for over 20 years. I'd like to see them continue to innovate and thrive, and cool stuff like Contrast paints are a great example of how they can still do that. I just don't think that near-constant ruleset changes is the way to go about it, nor is charging $30 for a pair of clippers. People have access to more hobby options and advice now than ever before, thanks to the internet/RUclips. My point being that GW - although a titan of the industry, and long may they reign - are like the Imperium of Man: beset on all sides by ravenous competitors, looking to carve out chunks of the galaxy for themselves.
Being a GW fan feels like being in an abusive relationship - the only way to preserve your sanity is to walk away and go no contact. =|
After the whole animator/content creator's legal debacle and the increasingly fan hostile marketing schemes, I've felt I had to scale down my spending on GW products, even though I like models.
I mean, if we continue to enable their behavior by rewarding them with money, they won't change and the only way to send a message is to vote with our wallets, so yeah... I have absolutely no hope that it'll work, but at least I don't feel complicit in their shitty practices.
I'm the same. Sadly this has also put a damper on my hobbying. It's just not worth supporting such a shitty company tbh.
Personally i just changed systems. I recently started with bolt action (ww2) and battletech (big stompy robots in the future) and i'm really glad i did .
@@davidlutz1976 Myeah, those do sound like valid options. I know we have a few Bolt Action players at my LGS, but the WWII setting just doesn't do much for me.
If I could make like... "Wolfenstein Techno/Occult Nazis" or something it'd be more my kind of thing, but most BA people seem a bit like realism nerds. :)
I really liked the BattleTech universe when I was a kid, but haven't been invested in it like I have been in the GW IPs. I don't think we have any BT players at the LGS either, so it's a bit of wash on that one.
Also been eyeing Conquest a bit but I'm not 100% into the aesthetics of the range and the detailing on the models I've had my hands on has felt slightly disappointing.
I generally like doing wacky conversion jobs and "alternate" variants of models, but I'm absolutely blank and uninspired on any of that when it comes to the Conquest range.
I guess it is what it is. I was actually getting to like GW again up until about 6 months ago but I probably should have known better.
Good to hear you've managed to switch addiction though. :)
@@kristianjensen5877 For BA maybe konflikt 47 would be an alternative ? There are mechas , werewolfs , zombies and what not , maybe that suits you more . And Perhaps you could try to lure your BA player base in this way ;) .
Never heard of conquest before , but on the pictures i could find it looks quite nice .
For BT i have the same problem . At the moment i try to "convert" my old 40k group with test games . As of now the responses were positive .
But what ever way you choose , good luck to you
@@davidlutz1976 That is fine if you have a big player base to choose from, I live in a small town and GW is pretty much the only company people play.
Innsmouth! Wonder if Uncle Atom ever spent a night in the Gillman House?
On another note... I have to agree that GWs models are nice, but sometimes that $40 price for one model is laughable. BUT that being said they have nice sets that I think are worth it like Blood Bowl, Warcry, and Necromunda. The new Outcasts gang set for Necromunda looks really cool and I can honestly see myself using it for many other games I own like Stargrave or This Is Not A Test. Plus GW tends to pack their sets with lots of options and for kitbashers out there that means you'll always have some usable bits to trick out a kitbash later on down the road.
GW shades are basically liquid talent. I don't think I'll ever stop using them either, even if I never buy another pot of regular paint again. Nuln Oil and Angrax Earthshade are basically staples of every hobby painter's arsenal.
People need to stop getting angry at content creators having an opinion, it's childish
It is good to throw public commentary out there like "I will not spend $40 on a 28mm model" and if there is a cheaper product out there you will buy that (very soon with Army Painter speed paint I am rather excited about) it may get them to adjust their pricing in a competitive market (maybe). The comment on 3D printing is a valid thing to mention, like you may want to supplement the Necromunda market with a futuristic cargo container food-stand I have seen out there.
40k is attractive with their huge universes they create. Withdrawing everything including fan-art behind a paywall could swiftly remove the one main advantage they have in the market. Almost all of their free advertising is gone which is a shame since mostly bitterness toward them is outside of Warhammer+. Even the new product reviews in RUclips is drying up somewhat due to the various agreements and worries of GW interfering with content providers. I hope they come to their senses at some point.
You carry on as you do, we all go where we think product is the most "shiny" and you stated your preferences rather clearly.
I have a massive WHFB collection (that is now a massive 9th age collection). I used to think GW had the absolute best models on the planet, but with the advent of 3d printing there are so many high quality, unique, models on the market that I can no longer justify the massive cost difference of GW.
Plus they can't write a decent ruleset to save their life.
I love Basilicanum Grey contrast from citadel. It’s replaced nuln to an extent and probably the last twenty models or so has featured it HEAVILY. I definitely couldn’t go without it going forward in this hobby. Anyway just wanted to put that out there
I've personally stopped buying models and books from GW entirely. I do still buy Citadel products however, as I think they're actually high quality products, and I'm still giving them less money than if I buy models.
I hag spent thousands on GW product just to have them spit In my face, I now have 3 3d printers and make better models in my bedroom. Some people dont deserve your money.
11:38 The Karen Wraith wants to see the manager! 😅
Oil paints, 3d printers, matte medium to make contrast and washes. one page rules and osprey games for rules
I agree with most everything stated in the video. GW makes great models Buuut $40 USD for a single plastic 28mm figure as is becoming standard is a bit ridiculous. After initial manufacturing of the model they have what like maybee $.05 cents USD in the plastic and maybee another $ .50 cents in packaging. There are alot of other companies out there selling their models some are the same quality for around $ 10 - $ 15 USD which seems a reasonable price. The whole issue is with the official GW tournaments and their rules that you can only use their stuff. This prohibits alot of other great models from being used.
I can remember in the early 1990's when I started you could mostly " Run what you brung " as their was not a very large selection of vehicles and such. So their was alot of substitution and scratch built creations being used and it did NOT matter as long as they were played by the rules. Example in the early days there were almost no Titan models and what few there were cost alot. So since ( I think it was Revell if I remember right) there were Robotec models that were almost the same exact scale they were substituted as being fairly inexpensive at that time. Everyone still had a good time. Which is the whole point of a wargame " Hobby " not the who can out spend the other guy.
I'm in a very similar boat. Aside from not having a RUclips channel and actually liking a huge amount of their paints, I've definitely slowed down on buying stuff from GW, but I don't think I'll ever completely stop.
Their plastics are just too great and Necromunda will always hold a place in my heart. I've branched out a bit in terms of paint brands, but I've still got a serious appreciation for leadbelcher and the "shades triumvirate" 😂
What helps here is that Games workshop is barely present in this country. What little is here is hard to find and overpriced. Vallejo paints are generally always available, in stock and reasonably priced. Miniatures, you're going to end up importing on sale stuff from the US for the most part.
Could go for some reasonably priced earthshade though.
The army painter washes are nice if limited.
I use Vallejo glaze medium to make whatever color wash I want. I just buy it in the bigger bottle. 200 ml I think.
@@derraldlosey1118 Unfortunately there are 0 army painter dealers in this country, it's pretty much vallejo or nothing for acrylics.
You know I don't buy their paints or models but I have before. I definitely understand that you a RUclipsr and Twitch painter need to keep doing GW models because that's what gets the views. I can't lie I really want contrast paint but I'm relearning how to paint and I don't want to add contrast paints yet.
I just got an Anycubic Photon Mono two weeks ago. I can't say I won't ever buy from GW again, but Maaaaaaan.... I love printing models and painting them with my 3D printer. Once you get yours set up I think you will love it.
(10$ subscription to a creator like Artisan's Guild, Archvillan Games, or Titan Forge and you will eventually pay for your printer in savings over buying GW's plastic stuff.)
Agreed. I have an Elegoo Mars. The number of talented designers out there is amazing. Haven't bought a physical model since.
About a year ago I stumbled across a battle report of ...someone playing WH40K and I was very interested looked into it and was set back by the prices...that and the fact that as a person interested in getting into the game I have to sacrifice a virgin to learn ANYTHING about it, and let me tell you, finding virgins nowadays is harder than finding a good deal from GW! AND I heard they are going to raise the sacrifice requirement to a "fair" virgin sometime in early-mid '22!
Anyway, about 3 months ago i begrudgingly bought the elite edition start collecting box and just last night finished painting the last model. Although I am going to repaint several of them, I am not going further down the GW road.
My other hobbies are bass fishing and RC trail trucks, so I'm not adverse to paying to play.But I just can't back these people and I found one page rules, through you I think!, and I will spend my $ elsewhere.
The only thing I still buy from GW anymore are the books. I just love them too much to stop though I’ve taken a hiatus in light of recent events. everything else I buy from third party’s where I can. Though I understand the appeal for the models and respect that people still want to just enjoy the hobby independently I’m one of those fan animation nuts and have joined the boycott going on until GW gets it’s very scattered crap together. The one thing I find hard to forgive above everything else is that GW has ruined the lively hood of many of my favorite Warhammer creators.
Corvus Cabal are the most annoying thing I have ever built. Dont feel bad about them being a pain.
Spirit Hosts were the biggest pain in the butt to build for me, super fiddly. Since I am only using them for Warcry I didn't even build the third one in the box.
The necromunda's market is quality
I don't think theres anything wrong with most GW products but I have bought the majority of my models recently second hand or in boxsets with a significant saving, when the market is saturated with second hand models for 1/3rd the price of new I'm buying second hand everytime.
Well said uncle Atom...well done!!!👍👍👍
Looking forward to your compare of Contrast and Speed paints.
Yep I'm down to the holy trinity and that's about it keen to hear your impression on contrast versus speed
When you play ME SBG there aren't a lot of alternatives. There are some, but not many.
All Hail the You Tube Algorithm Gods
The only thing i've bought from GW since they killed Fantasy, has been my recent acquisition of Necromunda all of Necromunda (it's what got me in to the hobby to begin with in the first place back in '96) and paint, have no intention of buying anything else from GW, there are tons of other miniature companies that make miniatures of equal quality, they're just less well known.
What he didn’t say: everything he buys he can use as a tax write off since he posts it or reviews it on the channel. So yes he’s paying for it, but after taxes and income revenue from his channel is all calculated, he pays WAY less than we do.
Edit after the reply: I must give credit to where credit is due. Although I disagree that we should be actively expanding our armies while ,some would say, Games Workshop is taking advantage of its consumers with its monopoly on Warhammer and other tabletop games. I now, more than ever, support Tabletop Minions integrity and honesty in his reviews and videos.
Also what I didn’t say: I’ve never written off my models for taxes because I don’t want to get audited. My accountant agrees. Camera equipment, travel costs, rental on the studio - yes, that stuff gets written off. But I’m not ballsy enough to write off toys for the channel. Thanks for watching.
@@tabletopminions I edited my original comment due to your honest reply. Thank you for being tactful, I am a longtime fan.
Wargames Atlantic do some great minis for just about every system
Uncle Atom - anyone who accuses you of being a shill has never really watched your channel. Thank you for your content and contributions to the hobby.
I know this is an older video but I have recently found your channel and subscribed. I am a returning painter / hobbyist my break has been around 30 years. My last models were lead to give you an idea. I love the return to painting and really enjoy your videos. The humor & the actual help is enjoyable and helpful. I’m hooked both for the channel and the hobby. Thanks
how ironic, I am literally putting together a Chaos lord on Karkadrak, and just swore a bit -- then you said you HATED putting him together... i fee ya