Narrated D&D Story: Dungeon Master's Biased Obsession Ruins Our Games
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- Опубликовано: 21 ноя 2024
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Who doesn't love a filthy furry story? 😂
Ah, at least they did not go into, *The bard zone* lol
@@bunnyobones1270
Truly a terrifying zone to be stuck in.
Nobody does except space wolves 🐺
This DM is so cringe... And good for the OP to get out of that relation.
@@bunnyobones1270 I now imagine Tally doing his twilight zone impression but instead of the twitch subscription zone it's.... *The bard zone* as he dramatically stares into the camera
I Expected the Furry part to be the Problem, however it was the old "having Favorites" and "Should ve written a Book" Problem
It was the subject of the obsession, yes, but you are correct. The real problem was the obsessed themselves. Furry as a culture is not an issue to me, but it would have been very awkward and vague storytelling without informing what the obsession was that drove a wedge between us.
@@AdriusFrostglare They could be really into elves, or orcs, or halflings. Their preferences really had nothing to do with what happened but the personalities and relationship bias. I don't think that you intended this at all to be anti-furry. However, the pinned post did not help in that regard.
No problem being a furry, it’s all good in moderation.
Classy Villain Gaming even as a furry myself, it is very annoying to really be obessed with the furryness and use races like kitsune and portray them like the stereotype of being a klepto. As long as the player and characters are played well I don’t have a problem
Well no, the furry thing became a problem because the two chicks simped for one another so hard they biased, being a furry ain't really the issue here, just immaturity
"If you guys want to screw, do it to each other and not the campaign."
*Destruction [100]*
I'd like to slow clap for you to show my appreciation for your silver tongue...👏.👏.👏.
DANG! Savage!
Rolls Nat 20
Furries ruin everything.
I'm Frostglare, author of the story. I just wanna say thank you to All Things DND for letting my story be told. Since this event, I have grown as a person and actually wanted to try mending fences with my old friend. Perhaps she's also matured in this time. Eight years is too long a time to hold a grudge.
give her another 8 before checking on her, people are like apples, they need time to turn in mead or vinegar, but very little time to spoil.
I wish you the best of luck, but be cautious if you play DnD with her again. Bad acts turn into hobbies if left unchecked, and if your friend never noticed it to begin with - it might still be going on. That being said, I honestly do wish you become friends with her again because - as you said - Eight years is a long time to hold a grudge, and I'm sure (as long as she didn't hear about what you did to her kitsune) you should be in the clear.
Wish you luck. Hopefully, you can be friends again.
@@crimbonimylimboni706 Oh, that was her girlfriend's character in Skulls and Shackles, not hers. Still, I fully admit it was petty but it was cathartic. Pretend Good is the worst alignment.
8 years is a long time! Hopefully things go better. All the best!
Most of these storys are either Players or DM's not checking their participants preferences.
But dayum do I love the drama and saltyness.
@Waldzwölfe The others are epic!
Word.
Player: I want to be a gold dragon, but one that's been cursed to be medium sized forever.
Dm: Why not just play a Gold Dragonborn?
Player: Because then I wouldn't be the most special character in the party.
DM: ...
Pathfinder. Didn't have dragonborn in the setting. Also she would have still wanted to be her own custom minidragon race. It *had* to be quadrupedal and have wings. Otherwise, she would have homebrewed a humanoid medium dragon. Not one for compromises, that one... compromises that didn't come from 'the bottom of her heart' that is.
Classy Villain Gaming I like the look of the 3rd party Taninim, personally. That plus Draconic Exemplar would be really fun to play.
that sounds a lot more legal!
DM 101: "Thou shall NOT play favorites with either the players or their characters. Any DM found doing so shall be immediately stripped of their dice and forced the shred their campaign notes, sell their DM Manual and burn their hand made maps. I, Sol the Fair, the God of DM's, have spoken!"
Too bad that is not an actual rule...
It should also be that the DM is to be a fair arbiter of the rules, without bias. The game is not about the DM or what they think is "cool" but everyone having fun not, just one person.
So basically the furry couple DM narrated the campaigns with them in change and the rest of the players as tag-alongs... Not cool! At all! Even worse is the fact that they "justified" what they did THE WAY they did. Those two were not DM material. For sure. and this comes from a complete newbie when it comes to DMing...
Galin Sivkov I’ve seen DMs do this one too many times. No one wants their characters treated as window dressing, or worse, red shirts.
That's probably the couple being immature or desperate, I've seen it happen with a player in my circle of friends, 'cept it was the girlfriend being "depressed" and some other dumb things
Ah a fellow dm newbie
It seems like the first one did a good job the first time
Exactly!! My boyfriend sometimes DMs our campaigns and I always make the dullest and less participative PCs when he is DMing to make sure he doesn't inadvertently favor me
I’ll acknowledge the hot mess this situation was for the player in question but an attack roll to use a wand to heal another player!? Perhaps a medicine check if the player in had never used the wand before but an attack roll for a character not built for combat. Well, here I was thinking it was dumb for my DM wanting me to roll wisdom for tearing a piece of my cuff and throwing it into a funeral pyre to honor a fallen PC.
Your DM still ha a dumber idea, because it compounded an absurd roll with a situation that called for no stakes whatsoever. At least the wand situation, as forced as it was, was high-stakes.
Thats the kind of crap that pulled my father out of D&D and led him to make his own system.
To be fair, he was still new to being a DM and he did it more on reflex then actually being a jerk. Also, he has improved a lot since then.
This is why people should just stick in to the rules. When people start making up rules to change the results of the players choices it always goes wrong.
-You are staring at your wife's casket being buried in the ground.
- I feel so sad, I don't even know how I will be able to start again after that.
-OK roll for sadness.
-whubt?
-Roll wisdom for sadness.
-uh, 2?
-that's the funniest shit you ever seen.
This group has a lot of kobold pc's i love kobolds lol
wolffe I once ran an entire kobold champaign. Everyone died in the end...
Can I ask, what is with the love for kobolds? I've seen many people online post about how they love kobolds yet I never understood why. Is it like how everyone seems to love lizardfolk for some unknown reason. No offence intended, just genuine curiosity.
@@JohnSmith-xm4dk idk i just enjoy role-playing the funny personlaties my kobold pcs have and my most infamous character is a kobold wizard who was great fun to play
@@JohnSmith-xm4dk Years of being the DnD equivalent of the goomba. They get slaughtered so much they started getting a sort of underdog appeal. These days they are less often depicted as evil monsters and more often as cute, child-minded creatures trying to survive in a world filled with dragons and murder-hobos.
In our server we have a Kobold campaign
the two let their relationship overstep the game ruining the fun that could be had. You never give favors during a game just because you are in a relationship with one of the players. That alone would have been enough for me to walk away from the game with either of those two
absolutely, my partner & i have agreed that if someone is to be slaughtered/sacrificed for drama during one of our campaigns, its the other partner. it's now a race to come up with the best method/situation to dispatch the character.
Yeah my first exposure to a D&D game was with my ex's group of friends. Apparently the DM was a huge simp for one of the childhood friends of the gang, who constantly told him she wasn't interested and even had a boyfriend. The favoritism he showed towards her was very obvious... it was also obvious how uncomfortable she was from it. It was also also very obvious how sour he got when anyone said anything about it. It turned out that my ex was trash and unsurprisingly so were his friends... I feel really bad for that chick though.
Dah shucks, no one noticed the song last time. Or if they did they didn’t care for it. Oh well I guess we call can’t be bards like _living yirbel..._ huh?? Is that one of those fancy kitsunes I keep hearing about in the image? I didn’t know they were in dnd is this homebrew? Lets find out!
Probably pathfinder.
Pathfinder baybeeeeee!
pathfinder i think not dnd
Possibly a reskinned Tabaxi, if one uses Volo's or Wildemount....
@@lockwoan01 they said it's pathfinder, those books are 5e
So the problem wasn't the furries, it was the eternal scourge of DMGF. Always a bad idea to have a DM that's banging one of the players.
I should clarify. I meant banging in a not-mature relationship kind of way. People that've been together for years, or have a wealth of experience can absolutely run games in a fun and balanced way. The pair described in the video did not strike me in any way as mature, and I've seen similar relationships ruin groups before.
So no, #NotAllDnDCouples.
i dm and my wife is a player I am actually working on a campaign that will royally screw her pc
As someone who is sleeping with the GM of our game it's not *always* bad. You just have to avoid special treatment, which I don't want and he wouldn't give me even if I did because it would ruin the fun for everyone else. To use the Pirate scenario that was brought up in the video, our GM might have have been willing to go along with having our party getting kidnapped and pressed into service on a Pirate ship to give me the opportunity make my pitch for being Captain after we stage a mutiny, but if the other players didn't agree and chose someone else then that's that. The crew absolutely would not overrule the players like that.
At least not in favor of another player. I could totally see him deciding that the crew wants this other guy to be Captain (A guy we've probably been butting heads with for most of our time on the ship) and he wants us dead so now we'll have to challenge him to duel and win or come up with some other crazy scheme to discredit him in the eyes of the crew or escape. Regardless it would be something fun and not a GM fiat that I become Captain.
Basically you just have to make sure that the SO in question respects the game and the other players and isn't trying to manipulate your GM into special treatment of their character or at the very least make sure the GM isn't susceptible to that kind of manipulation.
It just depends on the maturity of the DM/PC. Me and my boyfriend DM and PC in each other's campaign and it works well. This seems like two people who were very new at DMing and didnt know how to separate biases.
Ironically, the group a lot of people use as inspiration for how to respect your DM and your players has the DM and one of the players married after having fallen for each other during the course of the campaign. Don't think I've ever seen Matt let his love for Marisha affect his DMing, though.
"We're basically gods"
Not a D&D player but this is why session 0 is important. Yet a lot of these people try to use hobbies to push their obsessions. The mainstream comic industry and Hollywood are dying due to this kind of stuff.
“Waaaah there’s brown and gay people in my comics waaaahhh”
Dude so Lake it goes both ways
@SomeonesReviews, there’s nothing wrong with it being in a comic or a D&D session. But there is also a difference between having the concept present, and just rudely shoving the concept down the throats of the audience. If you want to have a character who is gay, trans, black, or any other type of minority, you need to apply them smartly.
If you truly want to be diverse and have it mean something, you need have a well developed character who happens to also be a minority, instead of making their status as a minority their sole defining feature. If you do try and make their status as a minority their main defining feature, all you’ve done is create a bland offensive stereotype that nobody cares about or wants to take seriously. The character needs more to stand on than just simply being a minority.
For example, people loved Miles Morales as the second Spider-Man, not simply because he is a black superhero, but because he is a good character with an interesting story.
@@tokusatsukeyblade797 OK man holding nobody's talking about all that right now alarm saying is people who vibe with each other when they make their characters are white Knight some of them already have these preset notions of with the game should be leg and what can and can't be allowed doesn't matter for anyone's consideration minority and not if they don't like something they will not allow it in their game for good reasons are mad reasons it doesn't really matter it's all the person's preferences
@@tokusatsukeyblade797 You don't get to decide these things.
I said this in response to the last furry-related story told here, but I have a furry in my group and the only real quirk I’ve noticed is that they rarely play human characters. I don’t think the DM being a furry was the root cause of the issue here.
8IS a furry and rarely plays human.* You might be onto the furries. I will have to alert the others. We'll keep an eye on you...
Furries aren't the issue. Its when you abuse your position and do as you please even against the wishes of the entire party
@@alpharabbit2353 that is true you can’t just blame them being a furry that is wrong thats like saying if a gay PC acts gay thats wrong which makes no sense
over my years of playing online with random parties i've actually run into this quite a few times. The campaign always ends up collapsing due to the bias and the dm's *never* apologize or change. The most fun thing to do before the game ends is rally the other players into killing whoever has the bias. It makes the dm and the person playing the bias (usually a boyfriend or girlfriend) incredibly salty and sometimes makes them cry. Which is always satisfying.
DM's with their girl/boy-friends at the table are usually a bad idea. Unless they have been together long enough to get past the "in love" stage of their relationship and settled into the part where they are fine with being adversarial.
My bf and I play/dm together all the time. And we both dont care what happens. It's a game. It's a roll of the dice. No targeting or favoritism.
The most we argue about are DM call outs for certain abilities or things we try to do as players. But it's still pretty civilized. And we constantly ask each others opinions on how to better our DMing along with the other players
Thankfully my friend and his boyfriend are long time dungeons and dragons players, so they understand the game is way more fun when there isn’t any favoritism
Lol, my boyfriend and I out the gate had no interest in playing that favoritism bullshit.
Just play the damn game and if things happen, oh fucking well. Accept that you aren't gonna get special treatment, and just don't be a drama machine driving off the decent folks gaming with you.
I second that. I definitively second that.
Particularly when one of them is stuck at the "horny" stage.
It's hit or miss, even with married couples. Im find DMing without giving my SO special attention, but my friend, who is a fantastic DM, has no ability to stand up to his and gives her anything she wants because she takes everything personally. It really ruins everything for everyone else.
IN this situation I would confront that friend Directly and talk to face to face or some other way that she could not run nor deflect. and stately put, as nice as possible, that she's not being a good DM and not take any Deflective responses as an answer. If, however she insists on not taking friendly advice from someone who was there for her, then i would just walk out then and there. would I still leave a thread of a contact line? maybe but only if she sends it to me first and asking if she could apologize to me and ask for an apology from me...
She was not good at handling even respectful confrontations. She would deflect, excuse, or agree without actually putting effort into changing course. The depression did a number on her ability to socially interact with people. Between that and my loyalty I felt trapped on how to really address this until it just couldn't be tolerated anymore.
@@AdriusFrostglare That makes sense, you did good trying to help her but if she refused like that then there's no helping her until she comes to you with an apology. Sometimes being a "villain" isn't what's cracked up to be like in D&D...
@@AdriusFrostglare yeah depressions no joke and there are almost like rules to it but neither they or you know them until you stumble into a trigger. Very frustrating. Having gone through a brief 4 year depression (fueled on arrogance and rage) myself, I can say that the longer you remain in that state the more you expect people to cater to your needs. It sucks that this had to play out in your rp sessions. I've had to let a few long time friends go and it's never easy.
Nah, the second someone dismisses constructive criticism, in *any* situation really, that's when I walk.
Be it writing, animating, DM-ing, playing an instrument, whatever, the second you reject good feedback because you think you're above it is the second you lose support.
You go be the perfect god you think you are, but I'm not gonna be there to watch the inevitable crash and burn and I'm not gonna let you crawl to me and ask what happened.
The Player in this case did the best thing possible by walking away from the bad DM. She sounds like the type that will never willingly learn to DM the right way. I.E. No favoritism.
There was one time that me and my friends played a campaing that the GM had a crush in one of the players. She was in-game a Rogue that always, no matter what, get to the all the loot and treasures first and could carry literally tons and tons of gold and equipments without any penalties or any other thing. And of course, no one could never reach, hit or see her because the GM says so. Also, the itens that she carry sunddely becomes magical.
How is it fun to play a game like that when there's no challenge??? I'd be pissed if nobody could hit me in a D&D game, where's the action???
I have always liked the idea of 'sharing the love.'
Do not just give a single player a 'benny,' but find out what unique favour you can give to each player in turn. No one tends to feel as if there has been favoritism if they are also getting something unique out of the session, something that a more 'by the book' storytellers would instantly deny. The real trick is how to seamlessly blend these favours into your story so that they also feel like they have been earned instead of just gifted.
The furry element played no significant role in this story. This was a case of favoritism between an IRL couple, making the other players in the campaign secondary.
Besides the obvious favoritism that is evident the furry thing played a part more subtlely. You dont force your lifestyle fetishes onto the game world. There was a time that people knew this. But that was before all the weak Stranger Thing new players came.
nobody said it had. why bring this up?
@@davidclark2540 being a furry isnt a fetish though, its just enjoying anthropomorphic animals and is in no way sexual. yall simply hate anyone who has fun in a way you dont understand.
it barely even played a role in the story itself? the problem here was dm favoritism, not the players wanting to play as a kitsune.
@@lemonknife keep telling yoursepf that. One day it might actaully be true 😳
@@davidclark2540 Bruh really
Notes from a NG human Idiot;
Greetings from lovely Restenford(We had a pretty good day here, considering the wierd heatwave....)!
It saddens me to hear how a longtime friendship was destroyed due to an Obsession. OP did everything he could to keep it(including ignoring all the signs), showing that they were a true friend. An old Monk of Pelor named Friar Barrowcliff once told me "An Obsession is a way for damaged beings to damage themselves more." and as we can see by this, He wasn't wrong....
May your pantheon ever favor you(especially in these trying times),
Baron Trevelyan of Restenford
I'm seeing the title and the thumbnail and I'm already thinking "oh no no no..."
Edit: Yoooooooooooo another Pathfinder story!
Was my bread and butter for many years. Only reason I stopped was because we got far too good at it. Rocket tag and the Dex-Cha powergaming meta became too much to handle. 5e is nice and I play it now due to its easier-going but I miss the high amount of customization that PF had.
@@AdriusFrostglare Pathfinder 2 is out and the Advanced Players Guide is coming out next month. The Archetype system is my jam.
@@TheUnluckyEverydude I've been casually observing. Mostly I really want them to release occult classes before I start delving into it, though.
As a member of the community I could really use a feel good furry dnd story right now. I only hear bad stories and it's really discouraging : [
well, I don't have a story to be narrated...yet. but, I have friend who plays a tabaxi rogue or ranger often enough. I'll see if he can write down one of his misadventures for here.
I'm sorry bud, but this is one of those stories that just makes y'all look worse. Best thing about the folks in this video is the art they inspired lol
(But don't worry most people don't actively give a shit about who's furry you're good)
@@TheUnluckyEverydude ya know what I watched the grunkalina video and it actually made me feel better. And yes! Our community does actually foster some of the best artists out there!
I want to assure you as the one who lived through this story that although I was bitter toward the furry community for a while, I met many who were interesting, fun, and considerate, like the Pandaren monk that became friends with my undead mage in Warcraft. So know that I don't hold that hobby against you. Hell, my first 3.5 character was a lupin ranger.
The thing about "good furry dnd stories" is that they're just "good dnd stories." There's plenty of cannon furry races, and if they do good rp, you get a good campaign. If there's a focus on the story being furry-centric, it is usually a sign of a bad campaign, because it's putting the hobby/kink/fetish over the actual content on the game.
Get's me to think what Critical Role would be like if Matt always had Marisha succeed in everything. Wouldn't have such golden moments like the goldfish incident. Or parlaying with the field of grass after she pissed it off.
I’m playing DND for the first time this Friday i can’t wait.
My biggest problem as a DM is I am about as emotionally reactive as your average stone. So I can act out most scenes reguardless of what they are without being overcome with emotion. While this is definitely a good thing in my view. It has lead to some problems where I actually kinda scare people with my descriptions.
People say that this is why a session 0 is so important, but that has nothing to do with it. It's obvious that the DM and her girlfriend were just there to play out their personal fantasies with each other and the rest of the party was there as a background and excuse to play. I would never have continued to play with her if that was my friend and she'd ignored me giving her a talking to as a friend and player with concerns. It would be nothing to cut ties with over, but I certainly wouldn't have continued to play in any game she ran or suggest to anyone to play her game. After all, the DM and myself are the responsible parties for my own fun, and if the DM is willing to sacrifice all of my fun for their own and another party member, they aren't worth playing with.
As someone who knows a thing or two about obsessions, trick is keeping them under control.
Or make a character that has no similarities with yourself.
@@jacobnochez5476 Don't we all put a little of ourselves into our characters?
@@lockwoan01 True, but we also act as another character and not as ourselves, or at least in my case.
@@jacobnochez5476 There is that.
Me and 2 my best co-players started a WoD campaign during the quarantine. One of tham acted as our storyteller, the other one made tremer mage-medic and I made for my self brujah detective with a focus on social attribute group and social abilities. Later I invested tonnes of EXP into mental attributes and secondary abilities to back up my character backstory and role. My co-player invested all exp in his magic. Together we were a power couple in service of the local prince, able to track down any source of problems one way or another and deal with it after that. Usually with hyperviolence or lies and manipulations. We were having fun while playing this campaign, balancing on the verge of gray moral zone and sanity.
And thaaan our DM thought it would be a great idea to extend our rank with a new player. New player decided that its unnecessary to learn anything about the campaign or other characters in play. So he made for himself another detective, gangrel with focus on physical stats and shapeshifting discipline, and lots of points invested in wealth. On top of that, he had no social abilities at ****ing all, lowest social stats in the group, and his humanity level was 7, while we had it at only 5. It's like tossing neutral or chaotic good, or lawful neutral character in the neutral or lawful evil party.
When we started playing I thought for my self: "ok, he backs up our party in a most significant aspect of the campaign (investigation and alertness skills rolls, even if he does it on a basic level), covers some skills that weren't fitting in our characters concepts, looks like his character is most able for combat and he can provide some interesting character interaction during roleplaying. Sounds great."
But it all ended in disaster. During 3 game session, half of the time was dedicated to him, wondering somewhere without rest of coterie, speaking with animals and falling all social interaction, not because of dices, but because of lack of his own social skills. Hell, most of time our DM allowed him to interact with NPC on basics of his poorly roleplay, without rolling any dices. And when we, me and my other friend, were able to actually play he was there, trying to roleplay someone with int stat higher than his own, pronouncing all clues that we were able to find, and all events that took place and giving his very important opinion than it might be meaning something. Yes! WE AWARE THAT ARRIVAL OF CURSED JEWELRY, HUNTERS AND SABBAT IN TOWN, AND GHOSTS GOING MAD IN ONE ****ING TIME MEANS SOMETHING! Well... Yeah he made our progress slower and our sessions dull as hell.
During 4th game session, my character finds his character in quite a peculiar situation. This gangrel kidnapped local drug dealer, put some kind of bag on his head and tried to interrogate him without using violence. That wasn't working well. So my character rolls into play.
He is NOT a good guy. He is one of the worst you could find among living. Whats makes him an average vampire. He is the one who feeds from working girls, he is the one who
ties up indebted vampires with barbed wire, shower them in liqueur and starts to throw matches at them to make his point clear.
So... My character rolls into play and performs water torture on that poor drug dealer without breaking silence. After that this criminal scum appears in the mood for breaking all his loyalties. My character let to lead interrogation for gangrel, because I, as a player, believe that all of the players should be involved in game. Even those who made me mad for 3 weekends in a row. So he fails in every way possible, with every phrase he spoke. And my brujah has to correct his every question and shooting angry looks to incompetent rat-eater who challenges his position at the Prince court with his presence. After interrogation, my brujah decides to drink blood of this drug dealer to replenish his blood pool and deal with masquerade violations in one sweep. But nooo, this gangrel forbids it, like he has some kind of authority over my ****ing Sheriff. Ok, we have better things to do, let's just drug him, give him a concussion and leave him on street with gun and drugs in his pockets, police will do the rest. No, we cant, he saw gangrels face and his RCV. So for what reason there's a bag on his head? TO NOT LET BANDIT SEE RCV'S INTERIOR, TOMMY!
As you could
guess Tommy is my character's name, so he asks gangrel for what reason he pronounced it. And gangrel player snaps on me IRL that his character does not give a **** about others names as long his own name was pronounced before that. But I never pronounced his character name in-game during this scene, only in third person PoV to indicate my character actions. After pointing this out to gangrels player he gives me that angry line, that I should have done that more clearer. In what way, I asked him, I can do it more clear to you than speaking in third PoV about my own character? Gangrels player has no answer for that, but continues to snap on me IRL, our DM sits there like its all ok, and my other player is not presented, so I told both of them that I have more fun things to do this Sunday and left Zoom.
And now I am the culprit, for whatever reason I could not get. Something about leaving game session. Whatever.
the last time i played d&d i was a Mage Kitsune, and them came the quarantine to ruin our fun, now we havy to find a new dm the old one cough coronavirus, and we never heard from him.
Sorry for the bad inglish,it is my second language.
I think the "being a furry" really created 0 problems this time :P (apart from having custom races which shouldn't necessarily be a problem). Frankly it could almost have been omited :D not be used as an "opening statement". Bad dms are bad dms :P
The custom races isn't even a problem.
Furry-bashing makes for excellent clickbait.
Luminous Lead the internet furry circlejerk is a very powerful thing
Oh, couples... With one being the DM... Always a dangerous thing. Had my own share of these. From the DMs girlfriends character being the only one who is unkillable to pretty much degrading the other pcs to extras for their story. Also, kobold gunslinger! Reminds me at my own beloved kobold bushwhacker in pathfinder!
Two of the DM cardinal sins: Player Favouritism and "Railroading"...
One of my best friends of the time introduced me to dnd and I instantly fell in love with the game. Yet our first campaign was a 3year long one where he was a railroading biased self-centered dm that pulled every string possible so your character did as he pleased, the world moved as he liked and even his gf of the time was like the op protagonist of the story even when she kept dying and being miraculously revived (also his power creep was off the charts and his balance was terrible). My character was an almost perfectly rolled, almost immortal, clever barbarian who basically tanked a bbeg fight without even losing a quarter to his hit points, yet this monstrosity was treated as a childish adventurer by kings and so when I made a decision out of the box. "You are a barbarian act as such", he said when my +2 in int barbarian (lowest stat) said something somewhat eloquent. This got so bad to the point that when my character didn't do what he wanted, he started to resent me irl with me or with the party. Even worst, calling me out as a bad player for not following all his wishes and trying to convince the rest of the party to go against me in hours-long arguments as to why even if he is wrong he is the dm so we should tolerate his shit. I lost interest in the campaign REALLY fast yet I kept playing it because it was a way to keep in touch with my childhood group of friends, which were slowly also getting tired of the bullshit. At lvl17 people finally snapped (other than me) and in mater of a month, our dm (and ex-friend sadly) ditched us for another group who tolerated his bullshit, saying we "didn't understand his art". Fast forward to the present day, we only see him a couple times a year at best, his other group also got tired of his bullshit and ditched him for another dm. Is sad to see people get dnd to break them or break relationships like this, yet far from blaming the game, those people showed their true colors in a media that lets them.
Losing a friend is always a sad affair. Quite sad, I feel.
I honestly feel like I met these people, there was a dnd game being run online I applied for and had an interview with one of the original founding members. Who was a kitsune and despite all the other players having to retire/lose characters from many different things the kitsune somehow the only surviving original member and somehow was also a guild leader, married to a fey creature, got pregnant, and all this other stuff that would have/did retire some of the other player characters.... the implied favoritism is oddly similar.
Ultimately never joined that game.
Well it sounded like the relationship was more of a relationsh!+. Breaking friendships is rough but sometimes needed if certain people make you feel insignificant because they only care about their partner’s fun.
"You'll find out that bringing in too much of your personal-"
Wow. I would have never guessed.
Yikes, they this DM would of never got a second chance from me.
I had to end a friendship over DnD too. Small comfort to know I'm not alone in having to do this.
I am a furry and have a nasty habit of defaulting to Wyvarans for my PCs, I'm trying to make more humanoid characters as I gain more experience playing, but I just really like playing a draconic race X'D
Nothing wrong with playing what you enjoy as long as your table is comfortable and cool with it, (what session 0's are for) I suggest trying out draconic sorcerer builds and slowly easing into less draconic characters you'll find your enjoyment with them far greater than just swapping cold turkey to something you don't generally lean towards + you get the experience of being a draconic creature and a typical humanoid creature all in one basket ether through blood or through a bargain made with past ancestors ^-^.
Look up Dragonborn. They aren't like Skyrim Dragonborn. D&D Dragonborn are basically a humanoid with dragon features: scales, breath weapon, etc.
Plenty of players have race preferences; don't let people tell you that's wrong for a furry if it isn't for anyone else.
The importance of session 0 and checking in with the table
I remember I had made a special villain for the heroes to fight. The name alone made the group scared that it was gonna be a fetish boss...which in hindsight I can see that. -_- So they just avoided it at all cost and I had to bookshelf that part of the story.
The Bondage King. A control freak Wizard who rules an entire city, and designed it as a maximum security prison, and clockwork prison guards/law enforcement. I thought the name was appropriate.
The Prison City had it's inmates, everyone innocent would be forced to live in a strict schedule of when they wake up, when they work designated jobs, when they may have free time if they behave, and when they return to their cells. The City would effectively shut down at night with only the guards active. There was no crime as everyone was constantly watched and escorted to destinations.
Some people can't separate themselves from the campaign. Part of being a good player and DM is the ability to play so as to allow everyone to have a good time. It's not all about you!
I joined an online Runelords campaign with some friends of mine. The DM was a cool dude and I had played in games with him in the past. The players consisted of a friend about my age, an older gentleman, the DM's girlfriend, and the girlfriend's other boyfriend (yes all three of them were aware of each other). At character creation I asked the group what type of party were we looking for, if I needed to go healer, the basic information to make sure that we had a functioning group. I was told to play whatever I wanted. So I recreated a character that I had played in a different campaign that was cut short. I had loved the character, who was a chaotic evil college of glamor bard in 5e. I remade her as a fey prankster bard in pathfinder and adjusted a few things so that she was chaotic neutral as I knew the other players didn't want an evil campaign. Before I set in stone chose the character I made sure that it was okay with the DM and the group that I play the morally gray character, even going as far as to tell them of her exploits in the previous campaign. With everyone ok with my decision we started playing.
The first sign of bias was the player boyfriend instantly being BFFs with the girlfriend's. Not much of a problem, just bad RPing. After the first session it seemed pretty clear that we had two good characters that would be the moral compass and three neutral, more out for themselves characters. It was a fairly good comp with the only issue being that we didn't have a healer. Then things got worse and the girlfriend took the reigns on everything and the only people who weren't ok with it was me and our front line. But every time we tried to do anything in the sessions we were treated as if we were the problem as the girlfriend rallied her boyfriends and the impressionable older gent against us. All of that was bad enough, but then the girlfriend, who was a spell caster, started running into melee, skipping loudly through dungeons, sitting for long periods in a monster infested cave to draw statues, and we spent every little bit of healing we had trying to keep her alive and protected. My character and the front line protested frequently about the caster being first, which got the rest of the group to go against us every time, saying "she is just playing her character."
Then a fight with a demon happened. It had DR, it had flying, and we were all slowly dying as we tried to even get a point of damage on the creature. The front line managed to lasso it and fling it into a pool of water where my character jumped in and held it under until it drowned. The girlfriend immediately halted the entire game and threw a fit. The demon was still drowned, as it was the only way we were going to not die, but she spent the next week throwing a fit in and out of character in text chat. This debacle was also followed by the girlfriend saying "I wanna look for a tiara and a fancy dress" and the DM boyfriend going "Well guess what the demon just happened to be wearing!"
What finally did it in though was the DM letting the girlfriend get away with using spells in ways that they do not work, like Knock being able to give assistance to open a stone door weighing hundreds of pounds, and pressuring the DM into putting a saving throw on an illusion that does not have one. I had literally messaged our front line, who was the only reason I was staying in the game at that point, that I was done. I would finish out the session but then I was done and he agreed, saying he was about to send that to me as well. So the session went on and the girlfriend decided to run ahead again, sit down in front of a statue, and start to draw. Monsters spawned and she bolted out of the room with a 30 initiative, leaving a late comer to the campaign to fight off about 8 mobs by himself at level 2. Now in her defense those mobs spawn after a certain amount of time and she wasn't the first in the room. I still spoke up about it because the reason the rest of us hadn't moved in is because she had never stopped talking to let us do so the entire timer for the creatures to spawn. She blew up, threw off her headset, wrote out a nasty comment, and stormed out of the room and refused to come back so the session was called after that. I still see these people and play with them regularly in a living world, but I will never join a campaign with them again and whenever I see one of them DMing I won't go if all three of them are in the same game.
Command can't be used to make someone do something directly harmful to them though...
This was in Pathfinder. It doesn't have that caveat in Pathfinder.
@@revanmal Ah right.
Not going to lie, just like protagonist in the story I had a similar experience. As much as the older editions of D&D emphasized if you're not a DM don't read the DMG, I understand now how much that lead to a DM being a terrible one when they overreach with their powers.
Doesn't help that he heavily homebrewed the campaign. He took issue with power creep, even though he got rid of spell slots (and there being a druid in the party, 2e was broken with that class). Told our characters how they felt. Brought in modern and future tech into his fantasy world (literally brought a modern rifle and pistols from our world because the goddess could jump through different realities and universes).
But it was when we made the jump to 5e/Roll20. He made it plainfully obvious he wasn't following the rules. Not only did he not give us a session zero, but made his special NPCs OP with having 99s for all their stats so where literally couldn't do anything to them. Couldn't stop the human genocide even if he let us intervene. Not only did he make it so saving throws didn't work like they are supposed to (Con to half poison damage and not be poisoned, but "I'm trying to save your characters life as a Con Save would only keep the poison in you and keep killing your character"), but for my last session him he made a broke creature that was OP. He says it was CR10 against our 6th-level group, but gave it 120 ft melee reach, a second form if you hit it with elemental damage, gains immunities if hit by certain magic types, but what mostly got to me was he hard focused my character for 4-5 rounds straight until she died only attacking others twice. Why the hard focus? Because my sorceress threw a Fireball at it after it killed the party's 12 horses. Even though the spell says it doesn't light living creatures on fire. Oh, and in its second form ALL OF ITS DAMAGE IS DOUBLED, not double its damage dice, not gaining a secondary damage dice for what element its second form takes and is slowly dying to, whatever he roll it just automatically doubled.
And the reward for this session? An item that would explain why his brother's gf is brought into the game because his brother and the gf were using custom races.
He eventually unfriended me because he wouldn't take accountability for other toxic things he did during our 12 year friendship. Almost didn't speak to him for a year, only saw him recently just to get back the things I let him borrow. What bothers me is that he acts like nothing had happened.
It's fine with me as I don't miss who he had become at the end of our friendship and has shown little to no change to wanting to mend our friendship. At the end, it doesn't matter anymore as I'm with those that tries their best to respect each other. Even though it hurt in the moment and hurts a bit to lose my best friend, I'm happier now and won't waste my effort on someone who really didn't care about me or those they affect in a negative way.
I've only had one DM for D&D, for which I appreciate their flexibility and creativity, which has, in turn, rubbed off on my attempts to DM myself. I'm very much a passionate sort for all things high fantasy, and D&D is no exception. I have a character that I rolled up, as DM, to be my personal window into the world, and explicitly easily manipulated by shiny rewards. Originally created in the 3/3.5E system, she is a Fox Hengeyokai Rogue that cashes in on the race's natural talents, and, with some min-maxing of her stats, is exceptionally nimble (Dex 18), very intelligent (Int 16), but has poor self-control (Wis 6). She's riotous to play, because she's cocky, condescending, thinks she knows better, and, when her schemes don't go her way, she has a temper. Add to that the tendency that the players I've made attempts to run campaigns with are prone to being flirty, and the fact that being called cute sends her into a knife throwing, fork stabbing, tankard hurling rage, and you have a recipe for tons of player interaction with humor at every turn. Sadly, I've failed, in spite of my passionate and friendly approach, to impart my creativity or love for the game onto my players, and, on three separate occasions, had everything fall apart after only a few sessions each time...
An all kobold party sounds like it could be very wacky yet fun
Fun fact: Captains don't "drive" the ship, Helmsmen do that, with the help of Navigators. A captain's nothing more than a manager who helps keep the crew together and make big decisions. In other words, trying to make the Kitsune captain just because they wanted to pilot the ship was stupid.
Another fun fact is that in truth quartermasters were the real second-in-commands of the ship. Logistics and supply management are CRITICAL and you need the most trusted and respected person you can get on the job or people starve and go mad from drinking seawater out of desperation. Learned that as I played the session.
I would woooahed that yeehaw at "the dm is always right".
I don't know if I would have gone so far as to end the friendship, but I certainly would have told her I wasn't playing anymore D&D with her as the DM.
As a Furry and a seasoned DM of many years, this DM is a disgrace. The point of being a DM is to be a storyteller and plot setter and to let your players shine through their own merits. Biases have no place at the table and favoritism is anathema.
one of the most annoying things that happened to me in a campaign is outside knowledge being used inside rp that ended up ruining a friendship of 10 years. this girl was obsessed with one of our friends and she made a rogue half born that stuck out like a sore thumb. to get her introduced to the characters we had docked at a halfway point to gain supplies for our long trip. i was in the market my character was a gnome rogue herself but i was more of a robin type build. this particular time i felt cheated by the pricing of healing potions and rations that I went for a slight of hand to at least get half my money back as my perception check let me realize the vendor was lowering or raising prices depending on the areas allegiances. as I was walking away with only a small portion of what i wanted back pouting at lost money in comes her character rushing up to me. 1. i'm like 3 foot tall and a half born 6-7 foot tall thing runs up to me saying hey me and you are the same while yelling at the top of her lungs that shes a thief too. my character visibly upset and scared af tells her to stay away from me and that she's crazy female dog for making such accusations. which lead the vendor to question the weight of his pouch, me and her being stared at by everyone in the market, and having to escape guards because the vendor realized that he did in fact have coins missing. so for the next ingame month I would be held on the ship not being able to do anything thanks to not only her crazy b character, but her obsessed crazy b self. which I later found out she did it to punish me for possibly having her interests attention when really he thought of me as his own sister since him and my brother were good friends for 10 years. he basically told me I grew up into a fine young lady and that he was proud of me for completing highschool while also pregnant and that i didnt just chose to being a stay at home drop out mom, i ended up going to college and completing my studies. sadly she and him got married during that time since she got pregnant and we havent heard from him in years. last i remember he joined the military while she has a bunch of "emotional support animals" and no child to be seen. we suspect she faked it but we will never know as his number has changed and we were all slowly blocked on his facebook as we all tried to get in touch with him. :/
This art is really well done!
yeah, no, i'm currently Playing Skulls & Shackles, the NPCs all stared and waited for our Party to pick a captain. They had no input overall, we had to really work for their loyalty....and my fiance is the DM...he gives me the hardest time. LOL
Well, in the end it had nothing to do with being a furry, which I wondered how it would turn out as a problem. It was really just plain old favoritism.
Dragon and kitsune look like an adorable couple in the nuzzle animation. Shame they're attached to such toxic players/DMs.
The "blindness" mech wasn't good how she did it but I see it as a good moving floor type trap room obstacle. I will probably edit the mechanic and do so. Maybe roll d20 and only use cardinal directions.
I've never played DND or any similar game before, though I do like listening to stories. Stories like this with bad DMs or players who backstab each other kinda turn me off from ever trying to get into it though.
"Chaotic neutral Barbarian"
FUCK YEAH BROTHERRRRRRRR
Hm.....that Blinded d8 direction thing makes a bit of sense...?
There are 8 sides on a d8. There are 8 directions
**(4 Cardinal Directions, and the 4 ordinal directions)** In concept it makes sense...in concept.
In practice it was horrible, trust me.
@@AdriusFrostglare That's why I said in concept. I'm sure there are ways to improve it in execution to make it work. I just don't know
Can't use command to make the gunslinger jump down the elevator shaft. It doesn't let you intentionally cause harm to yourself. Also, isn't command a one word command? How did they use one word to describe that?
The one word limitation was worked around by the witch saying "approach" from the opposite side of the shaft. The no-self-harm rule was obfuscated and the deed rushed before we could check, after which the slinger had already died.
The two of them would have honestly just been better off doing a one on one game honestly, everyone would have been happier that way
Another one with a bias. I fear this when I play either my Ragdoll feline Rogue or my Maine Coon feline fighter/ noble.
Ok! Not what I expected after watching the video
Pretty sure command can't do anything that's specificaly harmfull to the target. But maybe I'm confusing it with another spell
Idk about Pathfinder, but it's certainly that way in 5th edition. In fact, most "mind control" spells, even high level ones, can't force anyone to kill themselves directly.
@@evangrescol7772 teeeechnically command can indirectly kill. For example, if you're in a high tower and command someone to "autodefenestrate", they will still jump out a window. You just can't directly command them to kill themselves. But since commands have to be one word, idk how the kobold was commanded to jump down the elevator shaft.
@@StormTheSquid Yeah I know, that's why I made sure to clarify that it can't directly harm. Either way, i can't see how she commanded him to jump down an obviously dangerous hole.
"You speak a one-word command to a creature you can see within range. The target must succeed on a Wisdom saving throw or follow the command on its next turn. The spell has no effect if the target is undead, if it doesn't understand your language, or if your command is directly harmful to it.
Some typical commands and their effects follow. You might issue a command other than one described here. If you do so, the GM determines how the target behaves. If the target can't follow your command, the spell ends."
If the act of jumping implies self harm it wouldn't have worked according to the spell. And because it was a death drop I can guarantee it wouldn't have worked.
@@MRCrazyKorn Exactly. Seems this DM might have been a bad DM in more ways than one.
I'd love for a happy furry tale for once...
Sadly, this is the wrong channel for that sort of thing. The odds of stories making this channel which aren't complete trainwrecks in some fashion aren't very good.
no such thing
i wouldn't have lasted near that long. first sign of favoritism of a DM toward a character get's a warning, second sign i walk. no arguments, no discussion, i just pack up the dice and walk.
it always saddens me to see that every story that involves a furry is a bad example of the fandom. there are good furries out there (me included) so while these stories put bad impressions no the fandom, it's not right to immediately label. ill admit, though, it is good to see someone highlighting the bad ones as examples of "please dont do this"
It's another example of bias.
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DMs must only be the engine the game runs with. Their freedom exists only in the scenery and the NPCs they create. They are the User Interface players use when they interact with the game. Nobody likes an attack button that refuses to work.
I always found it fun creating custom races. If a DM tried to tell me what my character will do, I refuse to have any other games with them as a DM. They tend to repeat the same BS over and over. With all the BS from that first game though, I would have refused to play with them again.
Duuude I hope you get the subs you deserve! D&D youtubers like you got me to give dnd a try ^.^
The biggest challenge to *actually* playing ttrpgs is game master engagement. It is way better to go on a mostly fun campaign that ends poorly than one where the dm is not engaged in creating an active world. Highlighting a game masters' mistake doesn't teach anyone, because as a game master we still have to come up with something.
I participated in half of a session that completely fell apart because of something almost exactly like this. The DM's girlfriend was an enormous pain who wouldn't participate with the party, and clearly knew what was going to happen in the plot. And the DM insisted that she could make people re-roll a successful check without any explanation or disadvantage/advantage coming into play. When my wife and I asked why only she specifically had to do that, the response was "i don't have to explain shit to you." I've considered submitting it, but how much would people want to hear about half a session? Though my tiefling was pretty cool...
Never play with the GM's partner. Never works always do favours for them, more then half the time they don't even want to be there.
I would let her know from the very beginning of her mistakes as a master from my perspective. I would say what is wrong, why it is not so and what needs to be done, and would not wait until it boils.
She could have just played a gold Dragonborn
This sounds quite interesting.
awwww background is soooo cute
If you want to reuse a villain have them dabble in necromancy and stash a phylactery somewhere.
or use the clone spell.
Exactly.
When you're playing someone's storyline in some weird anime they watch and you just wanna play table top RPGs with your friends
Never stick your dice in crazy.
Nothing worse than being told how your character feels, it's the cardinal sin of RP and tabletop
Thank god not all dm and players who date are this bad. My hubby does his best to try to kill me all the time and show no extra favor. A dm has to be unbiased and focused on fun for all. I hope this player finds a more fun campaign.
"Custom race" red flag!
"No, you find that you can't do it" - red flag for trying to remove player agency.
DM cheating - red flag
I am always amused by bad DMs hiding behind the concept that the DM is always right nonsense. It is a sure sign of a terrible DM as a good one does not need to hide behind such a concept and that a good DM is a fair arbiter of the game that shows no bias or favor.
I am heartened to hear that the group removed the toxic player and DM in favor of a better DM. Even though the DM runs the game, the majority actually controls it as anyone can be the DM, there is no test, qualification, or degree as can be seen by the many instances of stories detailing terrible DMs throughout the community.
Homebrew isn't inherently a red flag, but it should be handled by an experienced DM, so it is in this case.
@@kannonball5789 Never said homebrew as a red flag, but custom race as one. While I agree that hombrew campaigns are best left to experienced DMs that understand the rules and how the game is supposed to work, this usually is not the case these days. The problem with custom races is that most are incapable of creating something balanced and instead make something that they are extremely biased in favor of. These tend to get borderline ridiculous in abilities and appearance while not having any real limitations or trade offs.
A couple of examples from other stories I have heard is a race of flying winged lupine bi-peds and a half gold elf half gold dragon combination that appeared completely elven that had all the elven abilities and some gold dragon abilities like immunities and breath weapons.
Lol meedo the dragon tamer from sunless citadel my favorite Npc to dm as.
I think skinning the kitsune was a bit much
Not enough. The pelt should have been used for something like a toilet scrubbing rag or underwear for the crewman with the most leaky pipes.
They are evil characters. Plus, it's enviromentally fiendly not to waste anything
AND Captain Sakhbet was a cannibal. Also she tried to tell us the kitsune rowed off into the sunset. With our loot. That demands... restitution.
So you want to steer the ship? Most Captains would have the suggested person try walking the board instead...
It’s like a that guy story but everyone but you at the table is that guy
Saddle I did in the past now I got a new group and it's working out
DM of Skulls and Shackles here. Frostglare covered the big plot points of this particular GM's nonsense, but he wasn't there for all of it. A few other stories:
While she was running the last campaign, we were stationed in Absalom for a long while. There was some sort of conspiracy going on with various powerful members of society, and they were coming after us for reasons I no longer recall. We heard one particular noble's name in passing, but had no reason to investigate him, nor look at him closer. GM had decided we should break into his house and find his evil-doings, but again, we had no reason to do this. Rather than give us more clues... we got poisoned. Black Lotus poison, not easy to resist, and it's on thumbtacks on the house's chairs. The door knobs are poisoned. The beds are poisoned. My wizard's books are poisoned. We're under attack, clearly, so we bolt from the house and spam Cure Poisons. We head for the market, grab a sack of flour at a random stall to use to find invisible attackers, and sprint through town and pick an inn at random to hunker down in. The inn room is poisoned. The flour is poisoned. Everything we touch is poisoned. We break character to ask her what the hell is happening. GM tells us we should have investigated the guy. We ask how the hell we were supposed to know that, and apparently we missed a clue that would have told us to do that. Rather than move the clue or something, she just... almost killed us. Over and over. Expecting us to just know we should go after this random guy. We moved past that, the campaign continued.
After Frostglare left, the campaign went on a little longer. Close to the end, we were on a boat to the lost continent of Azlant, and had gone down into the hold to investigate some weirdness. Three random Red Jesters pop out of crates. For no reason. If you don't know what a Red Jester is, they're chaotic undead monsters who can cackle to inflict Fear, hit you with their clubs to induce Hideous Laughter, and are pretty tough. GM, being the 'lol trickster' used ONLY one ability: They THROW THE DECK OF MANY THINGS AT YOU! A random card is thrown at your character and its effect happens. No save. Three wishes are earned, levels are lost, all non-magical items are taken off one character... and one of them gets Voided. He's imprisoned in a random location just 2-3 sessions before what would be the end of the campaign. GM realizes this was a dumb idea only after we all freak out, and gives us the chance to free him from a cage guarded by random sea dragons along the way. After that, though, we were all tired of her shit and the campaign ended.
So yeah. There's some more examples of what we put up with.
I had to look those bastards up. WTF Also THREE is definitely bullshit, since the bestiary of the SRD specifies SOLITARY,a dn they are a cr10 and that dang deck of many things ability is a freaking RANGED TOUCH ATTACK. WTH.
Oh so that's why you guys ended up fighting multiple brine dragons. I thought that was weird... we should tell them about Kalsgard.
People trying to shape games for their SO's preferences is -- while not the Worst Thing -- at least in the top hundred of Worst Tabletop Things. This made me sad.
My sister is a furry powerhouse when it comes to roleplay, and hasn't had the patience to attempt DnD, and of course lacks the creativity for more than 5 various characters. Ironic to the contrary of her lack of creativity, patience, and ya know being a "Filthy disgusting furry" -To some- she wouldn't have pulled this much bias even if she PERMISSION to. --I think I said all this right.
Now to my real comment; I love this channel, love the stories, and I can't find myself behind any other DnD based channel. Awesome work.
Official prediction based on the thumbnail and name: this is a "magical realm".
Seemed so close to being a good dm at first. This is why we always have to warn anyone that plays d&d about bringing bias
I had a DM who belonged to a cult and used his game to recruit prospective members.
6:10 ok that’s actually kind of a cool idea imo maybe needs a lil fixing but still
Wheres the tanooki when ya need one