PHOTON Motorglider - Intro Video
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Here is a scratchbuilt foamboard motorglider that is fairly simple to build but gives great performance at high and low speed, under power or just gliding around. It is 45" long, has a 60" wingspan, weighs 850g all-up. With a 2200mAh 3 cell running a 2200kV motor and 6x4 prop flights of 30 minutes are possible using modest power settings. With more aggressive power usage and aerobatics 15 minutes is reasonable.
This plane is comprised of 5 pieces of foamboard, colored packing tape, and hot glue. Cost is under $100 and build time is 6-8 hours.
Look out for flight video, setup video, and build video coming soon!
See my other videos for build details on the Armin Wing, tubular fuselage, and tail section.
PARTS LIST: (more details will be provided in build video)
Readi-Board foamboard - the Dollar Tree stores in US and Canada. Other locations look for 5mm foamboard with very thin paper facing that can be peeled off easily with no solvent or effort.
Colored Packing Tape:
www.tapebrother...
D2826-6 2200kv Outrunner Motor (this is my preferred motor for good power with a small prop, but there are many other options. Recommend 150-250 watts):
www.hobbyking.c...
30A+ ESC (below is one example)
www.hobbyking.c...
9G Servos (4 needed):
www.hobbyking.c...
Digital and/or metal gear 9g servos are nice, particularly for elevator and ailerons, but optional.
Servo Lead Extensions (many options, below is one) 4 needed:
www.hobbyking.c...
6x4 Propellers:
www.hobbyking.c...
www.hobbyking.c...
2200mAh Battery (many choices, below is my preferred):
www.hobbyking.c...
I built this plane with the exact dimensions and the power setup. This is my first 4 channel plane. It was amazing. It glided just perfectly. I crashed it in the end but just a broken prop. Thank you for making such detailed build videos. :)
Salam
Fahad bhai
Would you please tell me some information about this plane ..
I wanted to ask about CG
and the distance between
Leading edge of wing and nose.... May Allah bless you with best❤
I can’t thank you enough for your ingenuity and these videos. I just started building a lot of your models with my 4 year old son and we both love the build experience and flight characteristics
Thanks my friend, that's why I do it! Hope you have a fun and creative summer of flying, and be sure to share back some videos when you can.
Love the folding wing. It's such a great idea for both storing and transporting.
Ed, I just finished building and flying a Photon. Thank you very much, it was a pleasure to build and fly.
After a few test parts to get the techniques figured out, it flew flawlessly.
I could probably rebuild in 2-3 hours.
It’s pretty damaged tolerant compared to Balsa, but it’s fast and cheap. I am going to mount an FPV camera on it. Great winter project, thanks for sharing.
Ed produces videos worthy of teaching. Ed has excellently mastered english language and I intend to build a copy of his
proton based upon the information provided in this video.
Agreed, it's probably overkill, but fun in theory. I actually didn't mention, but probably the biggest benefit of white winglets is visibility for orientation at a distance, and maybe signaling thermals. I'm just barely getting into soaring, but Arizona has some monster thermals in the summer so I will get plenty of practice.
I came here to find videos on your fuselage. I was going to build a glider that runs on a power pack c. Instead, I found the exact airplane I had imagined, with a better looking noob tube. I found my next build. I really appreciate your care in making the hobby better. There is a special place in heaven for the foam board RUclips channels. Thank you for providing quality and uplifting content
Love the folding wing. It's such a great idea for both storing and transporting.👍👍👍💯💯💯
Really would enjoy you making new videos. These are great and timeless. Thanks for your time my son loves making planes with me. We crash a lot of them but it is still lots of fun.
Hi Ed,,
I'm just saying Hi and thanking you for all your design, testing and build videos.
I've been a fan for a long time but, just have not done one of your projects yet.
A fellow flyer brought and flew a DTF design of his own today. It flew well.
We talked about the wonder of DTF and I pointed him your way for additional ideas.
My favorite of your stable is the Photon. It is a good all around plane plus your wing folding system makes it very portable.
Keep up your creative work and your excellent training/building videos.
Darryl Sanford
Thank you Ed for your design. It is simple, easy to build and easy to fly. I can't wait to build one like that.
Hey Ed, I finally made a Photon Glider (no motor). I moved the wing back, reduced the fuselage length and moved all electronics as forward as possible. I also added flaps, so I used a 46 inch arrow spar . I used some other interesting modifications that I will pass along when time permits. Yesterday I flew it in formation with pelicans who were slope soaring in Del Mar. FUN!!! Am going to put together a video of it soon. I put up a quick video of the glider in action on my site.
I made the photon to your specs, except I reduced the fuse down to 1 1/2" form the join whilst i am still learning to fly, this thing is absolutley brilliant, love it! Great design!
andrew berry can we reduce the scale
I am still working on my Axon but can't wait to try one of these too. Axon coming along good so far gonna have to pick your brain about a good radio to buy soon .Thanks for sharing your genius.
Tapered wings are awesome, just more work to produce. I can't think of any other disadvantages. They fly nicely and look great too.
Be sure to look at the final setup video for demonstration, but in general I would start with 1cm in each direction for ailerons and rudder and perhaps 1.5cm up elevator travel just until you get it trimmed. If you built it like mine the control surfaces are relatively large, so I might also think about using 30-40% expo.
Great to hear! Depron is very nice in its own way, stiffer and more durable, but you will need to carefully and liberally pre-tape the outside bend spots to avoid fracturing. As you may know it's way more expensive in the US, which is partly why I went with DT foamboard. Try the Depron, tape the outside bends, and crush-score the inside of the bends. Also may try this foamboard available in the UK on eBay. I will PM you the link. Other builders apparently having success.
This plane is gorgeous in the air. Anxious to try this build.
Bonjour Mr , je viens de découvrir votre page , je suis Français , je pratique également l'aéromodélisme, je tenais a vous dire "BRAVO" pour votre travail.Vous êtes incroyable , vos tutos sont magnifiques.Mille merci a vous et encore bravo.Merci, merci ,merci.Laurent (French)
Well Ed.. i finally finished building,the modified photon... it flew great. I cant wait till tomorrow when its light out and fly longer!!!
Well, it's a question I have mulled over several times but yours is the first time I have seen servos in such a aft position. That's why I asked a kinda dumb question ;-)
Keep the creative juices flowing!
Another nice one, Ed! I put droop fences on my PD canards, as well. None of the RC sources gave a definite as to whether or not the aero elasticity at small scales allow for tip vortices, but my gut feel is that they do. At any rate it looks cool and it protects the tips.
Very nice!
Looks great! I'm way impressed by it's ability to roll like that, with that large of a wing span you usually don't get that kind of authority. Cool!
I'm new in the RC world and just want to thank you for having some AMAZING videos and you do an excellent job explaining all of your designs. I plan on building this plane once I get all my parts in the mail!
Low tech technique , high performace results and very concise production. Thanks !
Hi Ed, I'm building your photon right now. I've watched almost all your videos and learning new ways to build foamies.I'm making the wing chord a little thicker and going to use a smaller motor and prop just to get it up so I can glide it around slow. I built gas models for years and still got them all (even 2 fan jets), but now I'm building small foam electrics to fly around outside the house.Hope you don't mind me asking questions. Keep the videos coming, I'm watching all them. Love building.
Just anted to say Thank you for the videos, Also for explaining things in a way many of us newer fliers can understand! Please keep the great videos coming!
My son and I are starting to build this. We started it tonght!!! We’re going to use ham radio equipment to control it
I dig you, the paper is massive. The only thing I found abt. the $tree is that even covered with tape if the plane spends the night in a tree in the pouring down rain the paper gets wet and even when you get it dried out it is kind of ugly and wrinkly. I'm lucky it still flies! I've been following you wing series, I'm really kind of fed up with the whole KFM thing.
No doubt! I've nearly ruined a couple just landing on wet grass, which is about as much water hazard as we get in AZ. Gotta tape that stuff up tight to keep it dry! There's always removing all the paper. It's lighter but not as strong, and the packing tape seems to peel off for me. Might again have something to do with the temperatures here.
Well, theoretically yes. All I can say is the battery is where it is and it's a pretty logical spot. If you wanted to go with a smaller battery you might wish to put the servos forward. Personally I'm not a long pushrod kind of guy, but there are many other good ways to go about it, other than how I did it.
the folding wings is ingenious!
This is the one part I still get from the Local Hobby Shop. You can hold it in your hands and see if it's what you want. They're still pretty cheap too. Try .025-.047" range for small to medium foamies. A music store might also carry piano wires, which is what this stuff actually is.
Just converted the measurements from inches to the metric system for myself and it might help someone!
Thanks Ed
152cm wingspan
13 cm airfoil cord
4 cm control surfaces
114 cm lenght
5 cm outer diameter fuselage
35,5 cm horizontal stabilizer
18 cm vertical stabilizer
Thank you so much for this kindness 🙏😊
Another great design from you. Looking forward to the build video and will be building one of these, already have the wings built in fact! Thanks again for the videos.
Another great plane to build. You have got me checking You Tube daily for your new videos. This is going to be a great summer thanks to your designs. Keep it up.
Been watching for a while, I'm going to build this one.
I cant wait to build one!
I have to use a instructional video,your intro for this plane is good enough,but i like to watch the videos before i start,just to be sure.
great work!!!!!!!!!!
ok thank you. ill make sure to check those out
I had almost a hundred flights on my Photon when I sent it up with the ailerons reverses (oops) and crashed nose first at a moderate speed. I had a 11 inch folding prop which worked good but after the crash I rebuilt the nose/motor mount and gave it a 2826/6 from rctimer.com Flew it today and I highly recommend this motor for this plane. maintains level flight at quarter throttle. Fast aerobatics at half throttle and crazy fast at full. Awesome Plane. It handles high winds like a champ too!
Loved your plans the glider! I am definitely building one for myself! Congrats on the great work and thanks for sharing this!
I just started building the Flitetest planes, but after I destroy them, I think I am going to try your Axon. I am going to use your collapsing wing technique for that as well to make it super portable. Thanks so much for your videos.
Wow man! Inspirational! I may not ever buy a pre-built plane again! Ok, maybe I will if it's really good looking. I was thinking that we don't have anything with the kind of stock that Dollar Tree carries. But I just found that I can buy Depron sheets @ £3.80 ($5.88) for a 1mtr x .7mtr sheet of 6mm foam (39"x27.5"x1/4"). Hmm, I guess the price is reasonably comparable, (a lot of stuff here is USD x2!!) plus there is no paper cover to deal with! ;¬) So as soon as my Depron arrives, I'm into it!!!
great video, great channel. Ive been watching and using flite test echniques a lot lately, but your removable spar is a great idea that i will test in the future.
Wow, I am totally inspired by this build! I would love to create a stylized variant of a Piper Super Cub Alaska bush plane, i.e., the flight characteristics. The side profile doesn't have to look "Super Cub" at all, in fact, it could even be a straight square box like you have here, but with some [angled] relief in the tail area for abrupt take offs.
What I would want to go for, is the slow flight, STOL capabilities, good flaps and ailerons, and HUGE balloon tires 3" - 4" (inflatable would be ideal), so that I can skim water while trying to land on some little gravel bar in a stream, or, land on my roof, or a [friendly] neighbor's, and while keeping enough RPMs so that the tailwheel doesn't touch down, spin that plane around, and surf it downslope off of my roof and somewhat gracefully plunk it down in my driveway, or between the trees in my yard.
For landing gear struts, I was thinking of those massive aluminum Du-Bro struts, with a Sullivan tailwheel and bracket, and the ability to swap that setup out for floats (-as if this wasn't a tall enough order as it is). LOL
FYI: Just getting back into RC after many many years, and I am waiting on a Bixler 2, but would really love to create a stylized Super Cub, using your build methods, so that I can have all kinds of Alaska bush pilot fun - ala the "Got Rocks 2" movie on RUclips, by mauleguy - in my own backyard, or some of the unimproved areas nearby.
Feedback would be greatly appreciated...
Thanks
The foamboard is Readi-Board and is 20" x 30" (50cm x 75cm) and 5mm thick. As far as I know it is only available in North America at this time. Depron can work as long as it is carefully taped on the outside of the bends for the wing and fuselage.
You won't need PDFs but I will have a build video coming soon. If you haven't already, start by having a look at the Armin Wing, tubular fuselage, and stabilizers video. Once you can make those you can build the Photon or any of my plane designs pretty easily.
One thing to be aware of: The wing attachment for the rubber bands is identical to the Goldberg Gentle Lady, retained at the front and attached at the back, these can come off in flight! I was flying on a somewhat windy day when the rubber bands were pulled off the back dowel, they didn't break, they came off! The wing fluttered to the ground while the fuselage came down like a spear from a couple of hundred feet, the attachment points for the wing were undamaged, the bands came off inflight.
I love the idea of this plane. I like this style a lot and it sounds like you do too. You should put a lower kv motor, folding prop and try something interesting like a v-tail on this plane.
Not that I know but it is a great idea! I think I might move the tail servos forward and the wing back a bit. I hope you give it a try and let me know how it turns out.
I echo Ed's suggestions and add that the V-tail follow your inverted "V" fuselage for strength and symmetry. I would think that a "V" fuselage should work just as well as a square one but will need to be somewhat larger in order to have space inside for components.
Yes, coming up soon. You can reference the Armin Wing joining video and instead of taping all the way around just put a sturdy tape (like duct, I prefer Duck brand) on the lower surface to join the wings then wrap that with a band of tape - one on the right and one on the left. Also some mention of this on the Peace Drone videos. But a formal video will be coming.
nice video, you are giving inspiration to build my first scratch build, and ive only been flying a month and half.
Coming up soon! If you want to see the "fuselage tube" video on my channel you can get started. The paper score interval is 1 1/2" for this one.
Excellent Plane & Very Practical Designs Throughout Her!!! You Gave Me Some Great Ideas On Building & I Think I Might Attempt Constructing It w/Some Add-On Polyhedral Winglets For Soaring On Windy Days Etc!? Then Have an Even More Versatile Version Of Your Incredible Wing!? Thanks Again Very Much For Your Shared Technics! 😍 😀 Grumpy John...
Ed, Thanks for all the experimental airlines videos! I've built a few wings and ready to build a Photon. My question is this...I started with a Gentle Lady sail plane many years ago. I love thermaling. However i like the idea of having a powerplant to get the plane airborn. Can you thermal the Photon? Would you recommend building a larger airfoil wing? Share with me your thoughts on anything I could do to improving the thermaling capabilities of this plane. Thanks
Very cool plane! Awesome job, Ed! I have 2 ESCs left, was going to make Noobe Tube and something else. Now I am pretty sure what my last plane will be :)
Can't wait for the video about construction details!
This is amazing ! I'd live to make one this performent.
Great plane, highly acrobatic, doesn't bounce too well at high speed :-)
the next one will have expo for the maiden.
hope your doing good mate, thanks again for a timeless resource, all of my modern planes have been EA based.
It's a great questions. It's all a matter of the "tail moment arm", or the distance of the tail control surfaces from the center of gravity. The further back they are the more affirmative the control will be and the better native stability. A 30" fuselage will probably fly but you'll need larger tail surfaces and more work to control. A 45" fuselage is very stable and graceful and the tail surfaces can be pretty small but with great control authority. Worth it in my opinion.
Sharing great ideas--this is youtube at its best! Thank you for putting this on youtube!
That's very cool Ed!
Another great model airplane, and a very nice video!
It is also my preferred type of model airplane.
Thanks a lot for sharing it...
I think you could strap a small FPV rig on somewhere, as long as you didn't mind the loss in performance from drag. The internal fuselage space is a bit tight in the 1 1/2" internal diameter design you see in this video, but you could easily scale that up to whatever you like in order to fit the FPV payload. I would like to to that with one of those new tiny cameras and put it out on the wing, away from the prop.
Great design Ed, can't wait for the build video.
I wanted to stop by and say thank you, I've been working on my basics getting ready to build a soarer.It kids like your answering about of questions I'm not even ready to ask yet.
Again Thank You, Bubba Burns.
Thank you very much for your feedback.
Excellent, yet simple design. Nothin to add, except maybe color LEDs for decorative purpose on late evening flight,
Liked, subscribed.
Thank you for sharing this vide with us.
milan
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I say go ahead with the triangle fuselage, and maybe a V-tail if you're interested. Always new discoveries to be made! Be sure to let us know how it goes.
that looks like a great build! looking forward to the build vid!
sounds good. thanks for getting back to me!
It's not a bad idea. I'm just not that obsessive with the weight. It's just a foamie and can't compete with a 'real' glider. The foam is actually the lightest part of the whole equation so I'm not sure how much weight you could save, but I would love to see someone give it a try and let us know how it goes.
Really impressive work! I can't wait to try one of these!
Adam, there are dollar tree stores in some places in Canada. I get mine there, it is $1.25 a sheet. If you don't have a dollar tree, try some of the other "dollar" stores. I've also found it at non dollar tree dollar stores. That is of course if you are concerned with the additional weight of the Elmer's.
Bravo! Magnifico! Well done Ed, I love it. This bird reminds me of my TF1 in the fun factor/gracefulness.
Thank you Ed!!! Brilliant. This is exactly was I was looking for last time I sent you a message. Simple and beautiful. Two thumbs up all the way!..
Such great designs and videos! You've really made a name for yourself
Great! I've been waiting for this one to come out. Nice job, Ed. Been flying the Noob and the Axon to death. (literally, time to rebuild) - it's crazy how durable this material and construction technique is. Be looking for the build vid.
Very nice and thanks for sharing....
we think the Photon looks great
In AZ you might have to rig up some spoilers if you ever want to get it back ; )
You're not going to like my answer, but I usually also order from HobbyKing and just deal with the wait. Once you have so much gear there are always some random parts hanging around to draw from.
Thanks for the prompt reply Ed.
40a RCTimer ESC, 2200mAh NanoTech 3s battery. There are so many other options for this though.
8:55 that needs to be your profile picture
Ed did you have to induce any down or side thrust when installing the motor....thanks ....keep up the great work
Brillant design.
Man, another one I'm going to have to build ;-) It looks awesome :-)
I have added a parts list to the description section, with links. This motor can be found from other sources but I usually get mine from HobbyKing. The ESC should be at least 30a. This plane balances well with a 2200mAh 3s battery and gives very long flight times. A smaller battery would also be OK, might need a little CG adjustment.
Ed, I took note of your aft positioning of tail servos. Did that necessitate positioning the battery further forward to achieve CG?
I just put together another much more "produced" version of a Photon Glider video that I know you will enjoy. Thanks for the inspiration.
For european builders, check the internet or local stores for Kapa-Line boards because you won't find much in europe, searching for foamboards !
I was lucky finding a local architect store thats sells 700x1000x5 mm boards for 7€ each.
not the dollartree prices at all but the cheapest i could find. Even compared to the internet. Deko-Maier Stuttgart
Just picked up a carbon arrow for my spar. Only bought one because it was almost seven dollars and the 40 inch carbon rods at my hobby shop are only $8. Have you ever broken an arrow spar in flight by pulling a ton of G forces? High speed high bank? I expect that a 60 inch wing makes a ton of leverage. I was thinking of stretching my cord to 6+1.5 but fear I will be pushing the limit of my spar already.
Perfect timing there Ed. I've been thinking about picking up a glider and your design looks great and simple. Looks like another build in my near future. I am always interested in designs that utilize the 2200mah batteries and the standard little 2200kv motors. I seem to have an abundance of both in my parts drawer.
Nice video ED,great detale man thanks for the info.!
will you have pdf plans for this plane? because i really want to build this as my first scratchbuild and it seems like the perfect plane
Great new and refined ideas. Thanks!
Ed,
Is there a particular reason you chose a longer fuselage than is possible with a single sheet of Readiboard foamboard? I ask because I'm thinking of making a plane like your Photon, but am considering using a shorter fuselage.
Hi johndog35, I'm not Ed from EA but I sure can answer this one for him and maybe lighten his load a pinch. Go to ExperimentalAirlines channel and query on "FPV Peach Drone". You will get 4 or 5 hits that show all kinds of neat ideas but the most direct one to answer your question is the one that says "FPV Peace Drone V2" I love Ed's creativity! Enjoy, tinkerbill
I know you are a $tree man but Staples has a 40" long foamboard. If you modified the plan somewhat you could eliminate the splicing together of the fuselage. Staples board however has a covering more like the elmers, very thick and glossy lots of weight and it would probably be best to remove it. I'm interested in seeing how you handled the splice. GG would be the best, yes?
Dave