I bought a Car with a Dodgy MOT - Lawrie's Worst Ever purchase?
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
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Just when you thought Lawrie couldn't do any worse, he manages to head out on his own, and make his biggest mistake to date...
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I'm quite shocked at the state of it! I'm very glad you've made this video as a warning to others to diligently check when buying a vehicle!
It's pretty bad. A low point even for me!
I got a garage closed as a result of it having a "new" MOT. Having had some non-related work done it was being road tested it suffered a total brake failure due to rotted out brake pipes and, and , and. The nice men from VOSA and trading standards took the supplying garage to the cleaners via court.
Bloody excellent, garages that pass cars that are dangerous should be taken down.
Good on yer
@@GooseWaffe It was a hard slog, but it right was done in the end.
An amusing little follow-up event: A few weeks after the final court case I was "pulled" at a VOSA check point. Needless to say this is always a bit of a worry. One of the VOSA men came across and thanked me greatly for my assistance in them taking down a (very) dubious MOT tester. He then asked if I was in a hurry or not, since I wasn't we enjoyed a great chat and cuppa.
I don't know what the result is, but from my point of view it's been sorted.
Scary how frequent it appears to be!
As an MOT tester myself, you tend to see ‘ I’m selling the car see what you can do‘ way too often…
While nothing I’ve tested has been this bad, all we can do as a tester is go with what the car tells us. Okay some items (NOT ON THIS MG) could perhaps be marked as advisories depending on tester. But if it’s marked on the sheet then the owner / purchaser can get a rough idea of what to expect…
I always recommend people looking into purchasing a vehicle that they look a few years back on the MOT history ( easy enough to do online) which gives a broader image of said vehicle and not just ‘ I’m selling the car can you make it as clean as possible’.
Yes people get annoyed when you fail / put advisors on a vehicle however it’s for the safety of YOU AND OTHERS AROUND YOU…
I'm sure you get alot of here mate, just get it through.
There are a mix of fails and advisories on the car. The problem is that there was nothing on the MOT at all. No advisories, no notes, nothing.
I checked back through the history, and the faults it has were recorded on a previous mot, but assumed all fixed at this point...
Precisely, people don't understand why there is an MOT. People also get annoyed that something breaks - oh its just had an MOT, and now it's stopped running.
That's different things...
I just mot'ed my car and it passed but had a list of adviseys that were on the car car when I brought it
This is fraud and a conspiracy to commit fraud. Report everyone involved to the authorities and get a pro bono attorney on this. You deserve justice and compassion. They deserve the legal ramifications of their actions for putting your life at risk.
Most definitely. VOSA (or whatever they are called this week) work hard to get such people into court and when they present evidence it sticks better than **** to a blanket.
Trading Standards can b a bit of a mixed bag, even in areas where they very proactive some of their staff are only good(?) at polishing the chair they are sitting on, others enjoy getting out there and really getting stuck into rouge dealers. I guess I was lucky and landed on a very proactive one.
It's all been sorted at this point.
Which is good.
Thank you for this video, Lawrie. I was unfortunately in a similar situation a few years ago in 2016. In the US we have state inspections, which are similar to MOTs, but there are far too many shady garages that will pass vehicles with illegal modifications or that don't pass emissions and safety checks (especially for family members or friends). I bought a 2003 Dodge Dakota a few years ago, and as it was my first vehicle, I didn't take the time to check it, and of course it was dark out. I later found out that the exhaust manifold was completely rusted through, the tailpipe was rusted through and eventually fell off entirely, the whole steering assembly was bad and leaked all over the place, there were a lot of electrical faults and the whole frame was VERY rusty, especially in the front behind the bumper. It still passed state inspection, but towards the end I had to stop driving it because it was so unsafe and every time I drove it, something else broke. So NEVER take the seller's word for it, NEVER take the garage's word for it, and ALWAYS look for yourself before you buy.
Yeah, lots of dodgy people out there. The MOT in the UK is a safety check, making sure the car is safe to be on the road, which is very useful. I'm amazed at what can be driven in some parts of the US!
@@lmm Absolutely! Watch Wes Work has some videos that can give you the heebiejeebies! Illinois only has emissions testing, no safety inspections, and you can tell.
@@lmm Some states are definitely more lax than others when it comes to enforcing safety standards, especially the Southern and Midwestern states. Pennsylvania, where I am, definitely leans more to the lax side, I've seen vehicles without turn signals, brake lights or headlights, vehicles with rust holes so big you could stick your arm through, stuff that is obviously not roadworthy.
The biggest issue with the MOT system seems to be that any garage can issue an MOT cert (except in NI). Maybe the system may be safer if, like in NI, only DVA test centres could issue certs.
On the mainland all MOT testing garages have to have one or more certified testers and all the "paperwork" has to be signed by that person. But I agree that the NI system presents a much fairer system to us, the trusting customer.
Problem is there are so many cars here that you'd need a massive organisation to work them all, and an organisation that size would have the same corruption within it.
Please keep us updated, would love to know how it all ends with the autorities etc.
That's basically it. It's reported, the car was inspected and taken away and my money returned.
Oh well, Lawrie, at least you've given us a good public service announcement in making the mistake, and I'll bet a lot fewer people will buy cars late, in the rain and/or in the dark, without checking the basics out first!
Certainly we're going to be more careful in the future
This is a nice thing about Northern Ireland, we still have government/council/whoever run specialist MOT centres, bundled in with driving test centres, not a lift in a garage. It may have taken 3 months for me to get my car through the earliest slot I could get as a result of backlogs from all the vehicle lifts breaking at the start of 2020 then Covid, but at least the system prevents MOTs from being bought, so when buying a Northern Ireland car you can have more confidence in the MOT.
You're randomly appointed a lane to go to, 1 of 4 per centre, and I think testers are moved around centres so you can't get friendly with one to get an easy pass. You need to book a slot 2 weeks prior under normal circumstances too to further hinder attempts to get a certain tester, with the exception of cancellations, but they're still random lanes, etc.
I think the problem is in England anyway, there's so many cars an operation big enough to work them all would be full of corruption anyways 😂
I think the main thing here is that you spotted there were issues and are doing something about it. It’s a hard lesson and thank you for making this video to help show the potential pitfalls. You bought a lemon but it shall become a form of lemonade
Yeah, it's that moment when you drive it and go, nope, this was a mistake.
Who ever issued the MOT needs taking to task over this glad you are taking the correct action on this one.
Yes, it's all been resolved now
Lawrie really should have been wearing his ' in my defence i was left unsupervised ' T shirt ... and yeah trading standards / DVSA is the correct thing to do .. at least you'll get your money back ( eventually )
It's not an either/or situation as trading standards and DVSA (ah, that's what VOSA are called today) look at very different, complimentary, aspects of a case. For full effect you need both to be acting at the same time.
It has now all been resolved at this point.
My only bad car was a car that I bought from a dealer which was probably a part ex, when I got it to my mechanic he commented that it was mainly made of rust with some bits of metal. Funnily enough that had a clean, 1 week old MOT too.
I'd have loved to hear what Chris of SRUK would have had to say about this pile or scrap! Probably a few choice words delivered in his usual deadpan tone.
I'm sure he'd be suitably impressed
This is shock and downright dangerous. Glad to see you getting rid of a car. Looking forward to what the challenge will be.
It's long gone now. Shame, cause it would have been fun.
There is a lot of tat out there for sale, good on you for doing the right thing. We've all made bad purchases, I bought a Mini City project car years ago in the dark, in the daylight it was so bad we chopped it up with an angle grinder and chucked it away 😆
If it wasn't for the fact it had a dodgy MOT, we'd have likey done the same.
Not sure that a UK spec MGTF had a passenger airbag.None of the three I've owned has had one. The central locking doesn't work because it appears to be a base 1600 and doesnt have central locking? The passenger side door having a key slot is the clue. The third rail back on the roof will jam the roof if you don't keep it back. If you mean the duct tape over the holes in the rear subframe was actually over corroded holes, then that's an issue, but if you mean the oval holes in the front rear member's of the subframe, that's factory to keep the road grit out of the holes.
I had the ball joint between the steering box and axle separate due to wear on a Discovery in the middle lane of the M4 about 15 years ago. I had only owned it for 6 days and the garage it came from had MOT'ed it the day I picked it up. Luckily it was early and the motorway was quiet but it want fun for 5 of us to have to abandon it where it was and run for the hard shoulder. I reported it to VOSA and the inspector that came out said it might have been OK on the day of the test and wouldn't take it any further.
Oh really? That's shocking. Glad it wasn't worse!
Just to be clear, there should not be an airbag there. The dash binacles tend to break there so I am not sure the warning lamp has been forcably removed. I've had 2 MGFs it's a blank and has always been a blank. Nathan is right though about reliability... The 1.6 MG TF (which that is) doesn't have central locking IIRC.
That's just.. Mad.
Cheers for the notes on both parts. A car without central locking in the 2000's is just mental
Finally I know what was at least one of the causes for the disappearance of Trev's Jag, speaking of it, has he repaired the Swift or gotten something else?
It's sad to see the MG TF being in such a bad state, but they do have a reputation for rotting away... then again, this applies to like 75% of the things in the shed.
I'm curious tough, how much did it cost?
Trev and the Swift have not been seen since LMMons.
It's worse than most of the things in the Shed.
Bang on guys bar one thing, the Morris and MOTs. Yes it wouldn't pass a modern mot but it wouldn't be tested to that standard, so it doesn't need to. That isn't the reason for mot Exemption.
Still though great video, be interesting to know if the authorities do anything about it?
The car still needs to be roadworthy, so it's up to you to get it inspected.
Too many people don't have them looked after.
It was all resolved and monies returned.
@@lmm The point is, vintage cars are usually tested to the requirements that were in place when the car was built.
@@lmm Exactly as Ragnar says, we dont backdate MOT requirements so if a car passed when it was new it will still pass today.
i've actually seen another car this bad have a dodgy MOT put onto it, but that was for the purpose of having the cherished number plate taken off it (the plate was worth 5 figures) and the car was rightly scrapped afterwards.
That's a little more exceptable... But still
I am in Australia. Many years ago, my dad got a visit from the registration authorities. He had recently had an inspection by a garage caught doing dodgys and they rechecked his Marina 6. (It was ok)
I expect that's something that will happen here
It was OK except for being a Marina 6!
The shocking state of the car aside, it's so refreshing to see a video about a K-Series powered car without any dilly dally bullshit about "tHe mOST unReLIAble inGINE EVA" that surrounds it. In regards to the MOT, it's incredible that the car passed the MOT with a gaffer taped subframe, while my Peugeot 107 failed it's MOT on a number plate light bulb.
It's obviously a dodgy MOT where they didn't even look at the car.
Still quite fancy one to be honest.
To be fair, they did have a lot of HGF issues, altho as we know, properly repaired ones are fine. By previous owner, my head gasket was done 3 times;- 1st & had head skimmed by MG, 2nd - Indy garage who didn't replace all ancillaries 3rd - By respected Indy who replaced ancillaries & so far it's been fine since.
@@lmm They can be fun cars. Stiffer than a Mk3 MR2, so they ride a bit better, ok sized boot, cheap parts & insurance. Panels easily replaced. NCAP 4 star protection in their day. Not all cars have ABS. 135Bhp cars probably the sweet spot.
Like all cars of the era, they can rot, & check HGF history.
Happy hunting!
@@eze8970 It's a long drawn out list of reasons as to what causes them. The development of the engine only went as far as 40,000 miles, and the head gasket was fine. Head gasket issues started to become an issue at 60,000 miles when engines experienced overheating events (suffering low coolant as an example), and the polymer barriers on the gaskets would move, mixing the coolant and the oil and starting the whole sorry process. The through bolts weren't exactly strong enough either, so they couldn't squeeze the gasket in place either. Land Rover came up with the multi-layer steel gasket which solved some of it, but I think their positioning of the thermostat to be on the entry to the engine (not the exit) really did save the engine. But it was really SAIC who did the biggest improvements to the K-Series when they brought out the MG 6 with the N-Series engine. Stronger through bolts, MLS gasket, thermostat positioning, even replacing the plastic dowels used in the engine with steel/aluminium (Can't remember which). There isn't that much meat on the head though to skim, so while yours has been done once it won't be done again, so if yours goes again you would be looking at a new head or one of those head saver shims that are available. Worth noting too that Ford (for example) didn't get close to the weight and power out put of the K Series until at least 2004.
@@MyWifeHatesThisCar Thank you for your reply, & the extra info.
Seems madness to only test to 40k miles, then offer a longer warranty!
Did SAIC put the N series into the Chinese MGTFs?
If my MG head gasket goes again, it maybe scrapped!
Yes, K series is a great engine when sorted. Shame MG didn't/couldn't develop it properly.
This is my first MGTF, it's interesting to compare it to it's competitor MR2 Mk3.
Always wanted one of these cars but not got round to it, kids and partner who doesn't drive has scuppered that, I did however have the precursor to the MG ZR I think it was, A rover 25 which I had for few month then smashed it up on a dual carriageway coming back from an event I'd been doing medical cover on. You defo need one of these though as a daily, obviously one with a trusted MOT.
I certainly would like to get a one. Though it was ruined, it showed that a good one could be great fun
In the car's defence, it probably hasn't had the passenger airbag removed. They were optional and the blanking plate doesn't fit well. Having got one of these things sat on the drive, I'd also question the comment about drive it and enjoy it for a year. Even with a new honest test on it, it would still break. Seems to be something the TF is good at!
That's disappointing. I still fancy one, but maybe not 😂
I bought a 2001 Fiesta a couple weeks ago with an MOT only listing a pitted front brake disc. It had failed a few days earlier for corrosion to drivers sill and reportedly had this welded over. Upon sending it for a wheel alignment (one of the first things I wanted doing) they said the corrosion was so bad that one good bump would likely knock out the rear axle and that the seat belt mounting points were so corroded, if I had an accident, those too would probably rip out. I told them about the MOT and they showed me there had in fact been welding work done but the rest of the corrosion was completely ignored. It looks like I'm going to have to scrap it. Not the end of the world, I'm down ~£450 but I have reported them to VOSA/DVSA.
That's terrible, sorry to hear that.
You should be able to recover your money under the fact the car was purchased in good faith following work carried out.
Here in the Netherlands it happens as well
But here a garage giving a good APK (Dutch mot) can get a check from the government when they report it
That means a official from mot comes and checks the car again and when it not good the garage loses its mot license
That's basically what happens here too
I once purchased a mk3 Mondeo with a fresh advisory free mot. After 2 days the rear brake was binding so I investigated and found that the handbrake adjuster was completely seized with rust. Smelling a rat I began deeper investigations and found many many more well disguised bodges,the worst being a plastic patch stuck on the chassis with sealer to look like a weld repair! I reported the mot and the car was inspected by trading standards and they concluded that it was indeed a complete hash up of a car. They went after the garage that did the mot and I took the loss and scrapped the deathtrap. I didn't pay much luckily and am quite glad I didn't end up driving it too far! I got completely caught out with this one and I like to think that I know what I'm doing.
It does happen. Fake repairs are something else!
I have seen this sort of thing before. The Car Throttle guys have had similar issues where they buy cars privately on their cheap cars challenges. One such car was a very cheap 2003-2004 Mercedes S Class with a MOT which seemed a great car especially as it had all of the optional extra's including the fridge, but they decided to take it to a independent Mercedes specialist to get his opinion on it and the list of faults both mechanical and electrical was extremely long and one surprising thing the garage owner who was inspecting the car found was the previous owners had patch welded the exhaust (badly) where it had rusted away which is a complete no, no as the exhaust gases can easily leak through the bad welds and if the rest of the exhaust rots around the patch the patch itself would have been a lovely projectile that could endanger other drivers. Safe to say the repair cost of their Mercedes would have been well over what it was worth.
You've got to be so careful these days!
dodgy mot's are very common in places like leeds or bradford, back street garages issuing mot's all day taking orders over facebook, ive seen plenty of adverts for it
what worries me is MOT exemption, people dragging crap out and putting it on the road immediately, even had a dealer sell a older gentleman a car that hadn't been on the road since 1996 and he didn't mot it before sale and it had tyres on dating from 1989......it wasn't cheap either!
Yes, it's very concerning.
You are still legally required to make sure your car is roadworthy though.
@@lmm yes you are required to be roadworthy but it removes that barrier stopping people using the cars, you basically left with just the police hopefully stopping them
@@thedeadstig123 yeah, or if you have an accident as a result, you in big trouble.
Buyer beware. Great message, people need to listen to the points. Use the Gov MOT checker, you can see all the previous MOT, check the mileage and historic advisories for FREE.
But don't take it as gospel, or you could end up like me!
Modern classic over 15 years old
People rely too much on the MOT when buying a car. The MOT is literally a snapshot of that car in a year. I know of cars that have passed an MOT, driven off the ramp and snapped a spring. Things like wheels are easily swapped to avoid getting fails/advisories for worn tyres then swapped back after.
While looking at the recent MOT history is a good place to start when buying a car you should still do all the usual checks.
Obviously it's slightly different if a car has a dodgy MOT but even so surely a test drive would have highlighted some of the issues that would have been picked up on a proper inspection?
Unfortunately with prices of used cars going up I can see dodgy MOTs getting more common as a £100 scrapper with a £100 dodgy MOT will suddenly be worth an easy £1000 to someone in need of a cheap car.
The MOT is a snapshot of a cars road worthiness at the point in time that it was given.
The MOT history was good, showed issues which had then I assumed had been taken care of to receive a clean MOT.
The test drive was within a city, so really struggled to get a feel for it.
Always avoid any car that is advertised as "will have 12 Months MOT when sold" Went to look at an old classic Range Rover that was advertised as excellent condition, no rust, will have MOT when sold. I knew all the rust spots having owned them before. Seller was not happy when I lightly pushed on the inner wing where it looked like it only had surface rust at worst and my hand went right through...
Oh yeah, that's a defo avoid!
Worse than the Reliant? Such a shame I would love a tf.
Much worse!
I hope you reported it so that the garage gets dealt with. At least it happened to you and not someone unsuspecting. I had it happen to me and i rectified everything wrong.
Yep, all resolved now.
1) Never mind Lawrie, a £££ lesson, but you've survived & learnt from it!
2) A 'Mr JayEmm', a RUclipsr chap, advertises a company that gives you a full vehicle history check...if you can find him, you can hire him...
3) All MGTF hoods stick, you have to do a karate chop on the back to make them fold properly.
1) apart from the time and stress it's not cost me anything, all monies have been returned.
2) never heard of them 😂
3) oh is that the correct technique?
@@lmm Thank you for your reply Lawrie.
3) Yes, karate chop in the right place, I still don't manage it first time though! Either on the screen or hood just in front of the screen to make the frame collapse in the right order. Far to fiddly when Mazda & Toyota got their hood right. They always wear thru the hood with small holes in the same place both sides to. Just stick some material on the inside though & waterproof it, works fine.
As it is 115 and a poverty spec TF it will not have central locking and I would very much doubt that it had a passenger airbag as this was an optional extra and hardly anyone ticked that box. Doesn't stop it being shed
Can't believe it didn't have central locking!
Devourer of head gaskets 🙈🙈🙈🙈
Yeah, too thin to save money. Put a proper one in, and you'll be fine apparently
@@lmm I’m not sure I completely buy that, rover were constantly revising those head gaskets back in the day. I have heard it said that the heads were soft around the combustion chambers and if you work hardened them and the skimmed them back flat then they were spot on. I think it was mentioned in an issue of PPC magazine in a conversation with a guy who had extensively worked on them
The central locking isn’t broken! I believe it’s a 1.6 and they didn’t have the lock motors in the doors. The fob only sets the alarm.
Oh really??
Be interesting to hear the outcome of the finding when VOSA sort it out
It has been resolved as far as I'm concerned.
I feel your pain, bought a Mazda in the dark and the rain. Turned out not to be very straight in daylight
It's almost like buying in the dark is a bad idea
@@lmm 😳 someone famous replied 😳
Just because a car has mot doesnt mean its roadworthy. It just means it was roadworthy if if it passed mot .only means roadworthy at time of test 👍
The MOT system is massively flawed, easily bypassed by those in the know and usually handled by the apprentice who couldn’t give a damn,
The biggest flaw is the not being able to explore for faults, if something is covered (say with tape) they can not investigate, I once brought a mk3 Toyota supra, the rear seats were getting wet and it had brand new MOT. I lifted the seat to be greeted with next to no metal, I could see the road and that went from seatbelt mount to seat belt mount,
The rule is no corrosion within a inch or so of a structural point like a seatbelt mount but because they couldn’t lift the seat and because the seller had covered the underneath with plastic trims to hide the damage it passed.
We should have a equivalent system to the German system where the car is truly inspected even down to the quality of your brake fluid, not just is there some in there.
As for classics and exempt, there should be a rolling scale,
My 1993 RX7 will obviously not pass modern emissions tests, it’s impossible BUT there should be a category to say for example, the emissions are within a tolerance of what they were when new,
Maybe a IVA test or something similar to custom builds and kit cars,
I am sure genuine car fans would welcome a test that was fair and sensible and protecting them as owners,
Ok I’m sure the stance nation 2012 pop and bang map slam it on its arse brigade would argue that its “not fair” but safety is safety,
Even those that think they are doing a good job sometimes get it wrong, the amount of cars I see running seat harnesses that are fitted wrong is terrifying, they would be better off with no restraint at all as submarining is certain death.
Unfortunately Britain is very set in its ways and people don’t like change
It's too strict in places, but not in others. Things like you can't remove under tray to actually inspect the car is real daft
It probably never went near an mot garage just a quick phone call from the dealer “can you write me out an mot for this lovely little MG I have here I’ll give you £100 later” unfortunately money is still to tempting for some people as the consequences are not harsh enough for MOT testers in these sort of circumstances they should face charges of endangerment to life and a total exclusion from MOT testing in the future not forgetting the dealer who initiated this, they should also be charged with the same and lose their dealership as you don’t want people like that selling to the public it’s probably not the first time either, without these heavy consequences there will always be trash on the road.
It's very scary that it happens.
We made two mistakes one my red metro and the Citroen xsara I had. Subframe issues and was so slow off the mark you put foot down and waited while she decided if she wanted to go.
Subframe of this was very tired!
The best one I had was an mot tester whom rang up to ask for the mileage of the car prior to arriving at the test centre. Only for him to say I’m submitting the pass certificate now it’ll be fine. Sure I don’t need to say he’s no longer an mot tester or for that fact allowed to work on cars as a job.
That's.. That's quite impressive
I would take it up with the local trading standards people and VOSA, the MOT “testers” that passed it need closing down.
It was dealt with along official lines
Buyer beware always for second hand cars👍
Mistakes were made, and content was produced!
Welcome to a large amount of the content on the channel 😂
That's the 1600 version 15" wheels non colour coded side vents. Could have had my 03TF Sprint, rebuilt engine, subframe out cleaned and painted, new mls gasket, SS exhaust, MikeSatur slickshift. New Clutch Glass rear screen, colour matched hardtop, spax shocks, upgraded springs. Hood refitted. Hoops. Just let it go for £1000. It was not ULEZ compliant. 1g over the level.The 04 models were remapped to bring the CO2 emissions down and registered accordingly. Sidiq Cant wouldn't allow an appeal to have the levels remapped and registered to comply. The 1600 version would probably be compliant. My pal has it in N Wales. Not sure if he has let it go yet.
Lot of work done on yours!
@@lmm yeah it had to go would cost me £12.50 a day in central London lived that car
Oh dear Lawrie, what have you done! At least you're savvy enough to know what a total turkey it is and (presumably) aren't driving it. Hopefully the legal eagles will sort it all out and someone will get screwed to the floor over it. Better luck next time!
Drove it home, then to the garage. That's it. Everything has been resolved now
@@lmm Glad to hear it!
Maybe the uk should adopt the nct system that Ireland has one company doing all car inspections.
Yeah, possible, but would have to be an enormous company, which would be open to the same individuals doing dodgy bits.
Yeah, just bought a reliant robin with one of those 'No fail Friday' MOTs on it. Fucking huge leak on the rear diff going into the rear shoes... Not as bad as that peice of poop by far, but I got it off a dealer... I really expected more. The best we can do is report those MOTers and hope that if we do it enough that people are too scared to do it again.
That's very disappointing. I'm sorry to hear that.
How much did you pay? Any recourse to be taken against the seller and/or the garage which did the MOT?
For once the French legislation is better. Contrôle Technique companies are forbidden to have any connection with a garage
Assuming it was intended for the £500 car Lmmons drive, less than that.
As the £300 fixing the roof would put it over that limit, it was therefore >£200 but
I'd have had to cope with the roof!
I don't know what's happened to the garage, but my monies gave been returned.
@@lmm good news! No losses then apart from your time.
If anything, wouldn't association with a garage make the tester more likely to find faults in hope of being paid for fixing them?
@@Ragnar8504
Yes but it also means the risk of more « lenient » treatment of your mates cars or ones your selling yourself.
thankfully MOTs in northern ireland are done by government run facilities, so unless you know a dodgy person across the water, the MOTs are uncheatable
Lot more vehicles over here though.
Time to take off the tires, set it on the rails, and use it as a fuel tender for the Ruston.
There's not even enough good metal for that!
To be fair I'm guessing most people have made this sort of mistake at some point but I have to say, having once been a certified mot inspector, all be it for motorcycles, I'd never advise a recent ticket be taken as a guide to condition or mechanical safety. There are areas that cannot, even by a conscientious inspector, be examined such as areas covered by plastic protectors etc.
On the subject of whether you might be prosecuted if caught driving, the law states that the driver is responsible for the condition of the vehicle. I imagine it might be at the discretion of the copper who pulls you but listening to you describe how obvious some of the faults were you might struggle with the 'sorry I've only just bought it' excuse. More to the point, in the event of an collision, things almost certainly would get tricky.
These poor MGs always seem to have had a terrible life. Shame as I don't know what they did to deserve it 😁
I think for the journey home, I've just purchased it, it has a week old MOT would carry a fair bit of weight.
Anything past that, you'd be in trouble.
A totally clean, week old, no advisory MOT I'd take to be pretty good health normally.
@@lmm Let me relate a story about a mini I bought when I was quite young. The car looked quite nice initially. On the way home I was stopped by a traffic car. The mini had an MoT, three or four days old. The copper pulled up the driver's side carpet to reveal a crack in the rusty floor pan. I got a ticket for dangerous parts. The I did show the copper the mot but I still got the ticket. I hope things have changed to reflect that I genuinely didn't think the car was a heap but he stuck by the 'it's the responsibility of the driver' line. And yep, I thought he was a ****.
It's a shame you don't still have the car you could take this as an opportunity to pay the AA/RAC/independent to do one of their pre-purchase inspections without saying anything to them and see how they compare.
I effectively did that with my local garage. I just didn't film it.
This needs reporting to the ministry. The tester should not have let this pass. If they've let this one slide then you can guarantee there's others.
Has been reported via the proper channels.
For what this car is worth, one contemplates that the appropriate way to fix the "won't open" convertible roof is to partly open it at speed.
At speed on a trailer, obviously, because there is no way that doing anything with this car at speed not on a trailer is a wise idea.
That would be a laugh! May not go back on afterwards
No leawsy it's you're duty to check
I guess it depends on the officer on the day
Oh no not a TF there were crap when they were new! I worked on one of these terrible quality hard to get to the engine to service just awful!
I really like them!
@@lmm When they work and that is never LOL!
Gotta love a back to front metro 😂😂
I love the fact that's what it's based on!
It's funny because some people get really upset when you tell them that its brilliant. I love the metro dont know why people hate it so much
@@johnmorris1051 a metro was my first car! Never on the road mind you as it was rotten
They're all rotten in some way. My current daily is a metro so I know them first hand 😂
Its vile the prices of cars theese days and half the cars for sale are exactly the same as that mg, Facebook market place has caused so many people trouble
Yep. Some great things to be found there - though this was a Gumtree!
That bit of missing trim is the ash tray
Now the whole car is missing
Cobbled together for a tenner in the Midlands, bodged even worse elsewhere
Not even bodged, just ignored.
@@lmm someone went to extensive efforts to gaffer tape the structure together, remove that airbag warning light etc 😅
@@johnedwards3198 it's been a quality job!
I have had a similar problem with a Volkswagen LT. Put more than 10 000 Euro in, had to sell it for 400............ Big disaster
Oof, that sounds terrible. How did the 10k you put into it go up in smoke like that?
@@MadIIMike Every time we fixed something we found something else wrong. Apparently the temp-gage didn't work as well, the engine has been overheating and seased. Among the things that were wrong with the van (that we Christened 'The Anti-Christ') were the brakes, the ignition, the battery, the starter, the complete dashboard, the gearbox, the windscreenwipers, the
wiring harness (caught on fire), the dynamo, the rear lights and indicators and many more things. On the way to the RDW (that have to approve the vehicle) the lightswitch in the dashboard started smoking and caught on fire. There were more problems, the list was too long....
@@CaptainKrimson I just remembered... the 2nd gen LT were basically Mercedes Sprinters and the VW Employees in Hannover were "less than enthusiastic" about the thing. The 1st Gen LT were great and the Crafter is actually build in Merc factories. Even here in germany you don't see any of the 2nd gen LTs, to the point where similar models of foreign brands are FAR more common. By comparsion, the VW T4 is more common and significantly more expensive than similar models from foreign brands.
@@MadIIMike mine was a 1st generation
Oh that's terrible!
The last time I got a car MOT was in the 1990s ... it clearly had printed on it... MOT does not count as an inspection or roadworthy
That's entirely what an MOT is. Making sure it's roadworthy.
You get the feeling the MOT was done by a dodgy Dan in a backstreet garage for an extra fiver. That car feels only good for scrap
Yeah, something like that, though lots of garages let their employees work on things at the weekend, doing odd jobs, so someone could have done it then without the garage knowing.
But I guess we'll never know.
They need reporting before somebody gets hurt
Has been done.
I saw the title of the video in my notifications and thought "wow, that's a bold claim"...but yikes...
Bold, but true!
G'DAY MATE Iam from Australia should get your full refund the money u paid for also shut that business down i had simular problem when i brought my first car many years ago went back to complain i lost out business gone no car lot there other people including me could not fine that company selling second hand cars lucky mine only had a few problems but others had problems all over like yours including new gearbox new engine blowing a bit too much smoke he even try to say 1 owner from new by a elderly gent well maintain
There's a lot of it apparently.
This has been been dealt with via the authorities.
Yep I've made that mistake before.All is not lost though,maybe you could make a railway crossing safety video and hit it with a locomotive😊
I might have hurt my loco!
What did you pay for it ? If cheap it may of broke for more than you paid for it. In other words break it for parts yourself. 👍
You needed to report it to the DVLA they will make sure the mot place does things properly
Yep, indeed.
I have an MG-F, and it is indeed not a brilliant car. When the weather is great it's a laugh to drive though...
I still fancy a TF.
Think they're good fun
Cheap ? Cheap for a reason 🤔
I have yet to see cheap/PX car sold by a dealer with fresh MOT where the MOT isn't dodgy. About 5-10 cars between me and family members in the last few years. All of them checked but still all of them would have failed MOT over something. Not as bad as this turd mind you but still.
It got to the point now that a car with the MOT done by the dealer is a red flag and might as well not have it at all. And I'm not talking about scraping the bottom of the barrel at say £500-£1000. Cars bought for £2000 which were affected.
Private sellers are also shite nowadays. I don't think I ever bough a vehicle that wasn't fucked to some extend.
This was a private seller. But still.
The worst side is clearly the underside.
It actually is.
Just depressing
This is the sort of car that would end up in a Top Gear challenge and constantly break down.
That's part of the logic for buying it in truth
Time for a call to VOSA....
DVSA was informed
I had one of these as a project car. It never got done, every bolt snapped. The rear subframe is held in with very small bolts. Don't go there again. Get a mk1 MX5 JDM import. Much better car.
I still fancy one, so it's possible you'll see another on the channel!
@@lmm be quick! Lots of dogs out there or completely ruined cars thanks to there previous availability.
I had to pay over 4k for a good example which still had issues.
Buyer beware eh, whoever gave the original mot needs to lose their license . I got lucky last june and got a very nice 2010 Hyundai accent for a grand , thank god since my van gets 14mpg.
Very much. Its been dealt with now.
This case is just pure bad luck.. I'm sorry you had to go through this..
One plus point though, you've made a video about the car. Just not the one you had in mind.
We've got a video, and everything has been resolved over the car.
It's a good warning to others.
Was it classed as a cat _ when you brought it, I am no lawyer but I think anyone selling a car are required to tell you if it been in a crash at least garages are supposed to tell you I think
It clearly had had a Shunt, but owner said nothing about
I now feel much better about my 14000€ Ford Capri MK01
Makes me feel better about all my stuff!
If you'd like to drive my 2001 MG ZR 160 let me know! Same story as your poor TF however I kept and restored it
Oh I would! If I ever make money out of this, I'm going to get one in trophy yellow.
@@lmm If you fancy a test drive just drop me a message!
@@benwilliams1298 I would!
Have you reported the tester to VOSA?
Yes, it has now all been dealt with
Don’t knock the MG TF. I’ve have had and still have many really expensive super cars and the MG TF is up there with the best of them. Much maligned, unfairly in my estimation. I bought one on a whim on eBay one Sunday morning whilst in bed with my wife and she asked, why? Because I could I replied. It turned out to be a great little car. Easy to work on like my Boxster. So it will be a great car when you have finished fettling. 😁
I still really want one, so likely one will turn up on the channel in the future.
This one is long gone
MOT? a vehicle inspection thingy?
Ministry Of Transport exam.
A mandatory yearly inspection to ensure the car is roadworthy. Checking lights, suspension, brakes, tyres and structure to name a few key points.
@@lmm ah ok
kinda like our DOT thing we have
or state inspections
which there isn't one in Nebraska hehe
an airbag light doesn't have to come on for the Mot but if the airbag comes on and stays on it's an mot failure
They should test illuminate though?
@@lmm nope.
Airbags lamps as you know, can be not working and still pass. If a customer tapes over an airbag light that is illuminated and I can't see it then I would pass it.
Lawrie Rose finally admits that he totally _fucked up._
That car legitimately needs *remanufactured!*
I believe it's next adventure is becoming a tiny cube
@@lmm then a pile of tiny pieces, some of which get thrown into an arc furnace to eventually become cans of Heinz Beans
You need to get one of your other cars back on the road.If only you checked the tyres???
From a quick inspection they were fine, but gone on insides badly due to bad tracking
Oh and No, you don't get 3 points per tyre, you get points for the most serious offence only, and fines for the rest.
Ah really. Wouldn't have been as bad then
Yup, it’s a bag of s***e all right, but the TF 105 didn’t have a passenger airbag. It was a stripped-out Phoenix Four cash-cow special while they attempted to justify V8-powered vanity projects. Bad luck, chaps.
It's a complete wreck.
Ah well, live and learn.
what a goodlooking banger racer u got there :)
It's not even good for that 😂
Think every petrolhead has done it.
We often buy with our hearts rather than with our brains.
Realistically should have listened to brain on this one.
@@lmm The mantra often said by many a petrolhead.
A couple of years ago I picked up a very cheap Audi A4 Cabriolet, with 11 months MOT it sounded great. Mainly due to parts of the exhaust being 'Bluetooth'.
Top tip, do not buy a V6 2.4 sport A4 Cabriolet needing a new exhaust. I had one custom made costing £800, and that was £3200 less than a national exhaust company quoted. 😱
this is really more of a PSA on sensible car purchase than what he usually does
It's taken a while for us to get stung, but worth reminding people to take care.