RWW 165 From Boat Anchor to Fore Plane
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- This video illustrates that you don't need to spend a lot of money on a premium Fore plane or Scrub plane. A rusty old flea market junker #5 or #4 can be made in a a beautifully function Fore or Scrub plane in just a few hours work.
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Your thesis is right on the money. High quality tools are great, but they're not needed in many applications. Save your money on tools that work rough, and spend it on tools that you use to be more precise with.
My wife and I just bought our first house and soon will beginning the process of setting up my first true workshop; not just a small area in a rented garage. There is an attached 2 car (parking only), an old 20x30 barn for lawn/home stuff and a 40x60 steel barn as my play house for metal/auto/wood working. Its already divided into two parts to keep metal and wood areas separate. The first major wood project is to build a nice wood working bench and I can use the plane to level the top.
I have some black walnut that I picked up in Tennessee a few years ago and I am planning to make some Jewelry boxes for my grandchildren for Christmas. A good plain would sure make getting started much easier. Thank you for the advice on saving money that can be put to better use.
I'm still learning the art and techniques of traditional wood working. Because I'm new woodworker I have chisels, saws, marking gauge and hand planes. But all these tools are on my workbench because I haven't got any shelves to store them. So my next project is definitely going to be some sort of tool storage/ shelf. I haven't quite figured out what I need yet
Cool video. I'm a scenic carpenter trying to get into furniture making. I just graduated college and am trying to set up my self with the tools I need to create custom furniture I design. I'm making a coffee table i designed, out of walnut that fell during a storm at my parents house 6 years ago. Great video thank you.
I'm working on my girlfriend's double bed, made out of some reclaimed oak barrels. And I figure one of these would be great for shaving off the slight angle on both sides of the wooden strip since I'd like to use as much hand tools as possible. I'll post some pictures when it's done.
Thanks for another great video!
I am in the planning stages of a set of shaker syle night stands. I purchased a large amount of rough walnut two years ago and it has been air drying since then. It is now ready to be used, but this will be the first time I've used rough lumber from the start. Prior to this project I have purchased my lumber pre-milled.
Nice video. I don't know that I have ever seen this process explained like this before. I like the idea of not flattening the sole of the plane, I agree, why bother for the rough work. As far as my next project I would like to start working on a new workbench for my shop, at least a new top. I made my current one out of 2x4 face glued together. Definitely heavy enough, but it didn't stay as true and not as durable as I would like. Thanks for the view and the ideas!
I bought a 5 1/2 as my foreplane and put a heavy cambered blade. It takes a lot of material in one pass. I thought about buying the Veritas scrub plane but decided against it after spending some time modifying the radius of my blade's camber. Thankfully, after enough reading and watching videos, I decided to create a workflow for milling and it revealed what tools I needed. This saved me even more money.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience. I especially appreciated your x-pattern sharpening technique for the cambered iron.
I am about to start the Dutch Tool Chest and have soem nice wide boards of pine. Wider than my 6" jointer and I dont't want to rip down to joint/plane and then edge glue back together. A nicely tuned fore plane would make life a bit easier. If I am not fortunate enough to "win" one I will be able to use this video's instructions to tune up my own.
Thanks, Dave
Great video Shannon. Awhile back I started down the vintage tool path. I restored a Stanley #5 and absolutley love it. I also picked up a Spofford brace, Irwin bits, egg beater drill and a few other old items. The more I get into wood working, the more I am getting hooked on hand tools. Keep up the great work on the videos. My bench has a wobble too and I don't even notice it until I watch my video.
I'm in the process of working on a saw bench. I'm using construction grade 2x10 material that has a fairly rough finish. I have yet to plane the parts to thickness. One of those planes sure would come in handy. Thanks for the instructions on how to sharpen a camber on a blade. Take care.
I am just starting my build of a Civil War style shaving box. It is to be a Christmas gift and since I do not have a plane to use for truing up the panels at present, this addition to my woodworking arsenal would really be appreciated!
Thanks for sharing your video tips and techniques.
I hope I win, but even if I don't, thank you for blessing someone in the woodworking field with a tool to help them enjoy woodworking more completely.
Shannon, as always I love the video. If I win the fore plane I'm going to "pay-it-forward." My good friend Mike is going through a tough time with some pretty serious health issues. His hobbies are woodworking and a Civil War re-enactor. I would give him the the planes along with a Civil War woodworking book I purchased on a trip to Charleston WV. Hopefully this will brighten his spirits during this difficult time.
Thanks for pointing out hyperkitten, Shannon. I have a few slabs of 2 x 12 set aside for a hybrid bench/end table. Cupping is an issue and I don't have a power planer but I do have a couple of dogs of No. 5s that don't even have totes and one is rusted solid so I'm thinking I might be able to salvage at least one. Thanks for the instruction, especially the idea of a crown on the stone.
Boeshield products are great, including Blade and Bit.
Please consider my project for your give away!
I'm just starting to get in to the trade now and am learning at college, my next project will be a better work bench than the one I have and I only have minimal tools aswell so that plane would be able to make the thickness ing a lot easer, thanks and I think vintage is always best
Great idea Shannon. I mostly do turnings but I have been wanting to get into segmented and inside out turning. In order for this process to work, I need perfectly flat surfaces. I do not have a plainer jointer and have been trying to get the surfaces completely flat with a belt sander. I think locking the wood down and using a plan would give me a much truer surface. Thanks for a great video.
You're so right about not needing to lap the sole for a scrub plane but I have come across second hand planes with severe damage from a user planing across nails or screws. So long as there is nothing that catches one's fingers, the sole is smoothing enough for this rough work.
great point, always a good idea to give the sole a quick look and remove any burrs and such that could damage your work piece.
Wow Shannon, I forgot how much weight you lost. Looking great these days!
Im so glad i came across this video of yours, ive being watching a lot of your videos the past few weeks and seeing this has given me inspiration to turn one of my no4 jack planes into a scrub plane, i may even end up altering a spare blade i have to go in my 5 1/2 stanley so i can alternate between it being a jack and a scrub, i have used both as scrub planes before but i dont have the camber on my blades and it did take a lot more time and effort.
To be honest i didnt know what a camber actually was when i heared you mention it in one of your videos, thats how i came across this video in looking into what it is.
Thank your for making this video, it will be my next job to do after ive finished making my own blades and wedge for a no44 record plough plane i have being given by an old retired joiner i know, he has said he has more for me aswell which has made me very excited :D
im hoping this includes things like a fillister plane, router plane or maby a jointer plane if im lucky, he has promised me a saw set next time i see him so im extreamly happy with that, although anything is very welcome as it saves me a lot of money but that l if not i shall be making all of them myself :)
I dont think im doing bad for a passing comment one day, although i do feel a bit guilty as the old fella wont take a penny off me, he just keeps saying "they have being hung on the shop wall for 20-35 years and are no good to me".
Anyone else in the uk feeling generous with old unused/unwanted hand tools please feel free to message me, id be more than happy to pay postage on things :)
Awesome video! Thank you. I have been thinking about investing in a scrub but didn't want to spend the stupid crazy price for one. Even used are too high, so thank you for the conversion idea. I already have a few I can choose from to modify!
I have some rough sawn walnut and maple from a local sawmill. I plan on using it to make a small jewelry box for my wife as an anniversary gift.
Good common sense stuff. Very useful, Mr. Rogers.
absolutely! The problem with these planes is usually poor quality castings that make the sole not flat. Since a Fore plane doesn't need a very flat sole these cheaper models will work. Although I think a vintage Stanley can be had pretty cheaply and would be easier to tune.
Yeah, I got a ratty Stanley #5C with blade complete, bought it 25yrs ago...I plan on making into scrub plane someday
Great video - thanks! One of those would come in super handy facing some rough sawn wild cherry I'm using for my next project, a coffee carousel for my daughter's Keurig machine. Cheers!
Excellent video. Timely too. I am restoring several old planes, as well as other tools, as I have time. I use reclaimed lumber- firewood, fence posts, house beams, barn siding, etc. I want to get my joinery skills better and to do this, I want to build a hybridized, modern version of an old traveling tool chest to store and transport my growing collection of hand and layout tools. I will be using roughsawn oak barn siding that will need surfacing and accented with firewood or locust posts.
Hi Shannon, I love your videos both for the information and the professional production values. I'm a noob to woodworking and so don't have a lot of tools. I'll be building a simple desk from an old door and construction lumber (love having lots of houses being built in the neighborhood. Since I'm working with salvaged lumber, a scrub plane would be a great help. I also hope to be reviving some flea market finds, so having a professionally recovered plane would make a good reference tool.
What an excellent down to earth video! I took you for an elitist. Probably because you know and talk so much about various kinds of saws ;)
Compelling case for the vintage plane. My next project is a fireplace mantel made from rough sawn sapele actually, and a fore plane would be just the thing to flatten one side.
Nice restoration :)
thanks for this shannon i'm going to try this with a diy store bought # 4 with a stanley iron see how well it works, as it will cost to much for you to send me that one you did all the way over the pond lol
funny this question just came up in my recent live session. No I don't think a modern thicker iron is necessary. These irons cut down on vibration which can lead to tearout. This plane is not concerned with tear out, in fact it usually makes tearout. It removes enormous chips and is not for finishing so don't waste the money on "upgrades"
Excellent presentation!
My next project is to rebuild my grandfathers workbench that I had to disassemble to get it out of my mothers basement. Made from what I will say pretty much century old 8' X 2" pine lumber what was the top is pretty much trashed out, so I will flip them over, may need to shorten it over all. after that, a Tool chest a la Anarchist style.
Tons of great information. Thank you
Hey Shannon great video! I totally agree with the information presented but everybody knows that we will be buying that Veritas plane you showed us AFTER getting the one you suggested and still be craving for more... LOL!! ;-)
I use a flea market #6 fore plane as a jointer. It was $20.00 and required moderate restoration, a Hock iron and a good tuning. I use a #5 1/4, and a #3 with a home toothed blades for dimensioning (thickening) stock, works great. I am a luthier who refuses to use a drum sander. BTW, Josh at Hyperkitten is GREAT!
Thank you, I'm just building my first wood shop in my basement, tired of work of saw horses and folding table. (LOL, Sad but true) This is going to help save me buying extra I do not have the funds for... I'm finishing up the electrical and will start building a work bench... That scrub plan is going to be a huge help in getting it flat... Looking at building Paul Sellers style of bench out of the 2x4's... Then just like Andrew mention below... "Tool Chest a al Anarchist style"
Good vid Shannon!
The transition plane will act exactly the same when it is restored maybe better due to the additional mass. I'll post a quickie when it is done.
Thanks for the great tutorial.
Is this a good place to use "off-brand" planes (Craftsman, Dunlap, or Stanley's Handyman series, etc.), or is that going too far in the "cheap" direction?
Hello. I going was going to buy these planes, but I decided to sharpen a box store plane with a camber instead and works very well. I am going to use this plane on some elm wood that I have cut. As I read the comments, tear out will happen.
Thanks for the information.
Great video, you made a
Awesome...thanks for demoing, and teaching as always.
Is there risk of needing a new plane iron? Would the iron coming with the $10 'boat anchor' be too thin? I have 16"-18" wide spalted silver maple book-matched boards I milled myself and would like to make shop drawer fronts.
On half of my shop's drawers I ripped the boards so they would fit in my joiner but I'd like to do the other half by hand. I was saving up for a new scrub plane but I think this would be a better and fast option. THANKS a ton for the shortcut!
if you move the iron only from one side to another side when you grinding you would find you dont even need to quench the blade.
New to the hand tool only world. My next project will be a roubo workbench but with some mods to his design. This is to suit my needs and work space. Can't take working on saw horse any longer.
Hi Shannon....Thanks for the great videos. All have been very helpful for a fellow left hander. Do you use the same sharpening and honing technique for a cambered try plane blade (creating the x on the stone) with a very small camber? Say 20" or more radius. Thanks again for all your help.
Thank you.
Very good demo. I'm restoring a old work bench. The top has a bow and a lot of abuse to remove. It would be easier to build a new work bench but this one has been in the family longer than I have. I have several high speed grinders and heat is a problem when sharpening. I wish I had a hand grinder like yours. When a clade is over heated is it worth tempering again or jus buy a new one?
+Steve Larsen just grind back past the "blued" area and the steel should be unaffected.
A garage or estate sale rust bucket find makes a great scrub once it's been cleaned up so as not to leave rust on the work... and even then, it's no big deal, as the workpiece will see lots of planing and scraping for finish afterward, anyway.
But I think I wouldn't tell people not to buy the premium items. After all, we want Lee Valley and Veritas to continue to make them, do we not? In time, there won't be any more rusty tools left to find in old garages (prices are going up - scarcity is already kicking in) and if companies like Lie-Nielson don't make new tools, eventually there will be no more new tools, either.
Your videos are quite helpful, thank you. can you tell me where can i get
a grinding wheel like yours?
I got mine on ebay
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
Juan Rocha Are you looking specifically for a hand crank grinding wheel? I'm asking because electric ones are much more common. Like, Harbor Freight has half a dozen different sizes and flavors, all cheap & work just fine. A grinder is not a fancy precision tool.
So how do you make or get a 8" radius?
I made a template long ago in hardboard that I can use to trace the curve onto my blade to be ground. I just traced the profile of the iron to set the width, then from a center line set the point of my compass (set to 8") on it and drew the curve. Then cut it out and refine to the line and you have a template to use far into the future.
i feel click baited, i expected you to use an actual boat anchor.
When the interlock my thumbs and interlace my fingers and rock my wrists, is this guy kidding kidding?
Did he sound like he was kidding? NO HE DID NOT! Everyone has their way of doing things and this is his way. If you choose to used your feet then that's your way!
Regards,
Mick