This was also well covered in the Luftwaffe War Diaries (Cajus Bekker) where Sigel described how, when he was pulling out from the dive, he was actually flying down a firebreak or road between the trees and that he was below the treetops! Amazing that if he was a few feet either side of that gap, he would probably have also perished into the trees.
...And if he had not been positioned perfectly above that fire road, he'd likely never have had the time to shout a warning - And the entire squadron of 30 planes would have been lost (60 men in all).
Incredible. The more facts that are revealed the stranger it gets. I would Der if any of the aircraft were recovered to fly again. Surely they cannibalize the thirteen for serviceable spares..
@@loydevan1311 One interesting fact to know about Cajus Bekker : in 1952 as Karl Bartz he wrote ''Als Der Himmels Brannte'' which was translated in French ''Quand Le Ciel Etait En Feu'' - ''When The Heavens Burnt''. Later he expanded it under the name Cajus Bekker into the more complete ''The Luftwaffe War Diaries''. It was first serialized in the Hamburg publication, Kristall magazine.
One thing about German pilots that was unenviable was that they basically never stopped flying and fighting. Either they were injured making them incapable of flying, they were killed, they were shot down alive and became a POW, or the war ended. Those were the only options for leaving the Luftwaffe.
I want to say that the period-fitting video happening throughout really helps set the mind into the feel of the era, further enhancing the excellent narration. These videos are put together so well and are a pleasure to watch and learn!
I can only imagine the cringy feeling of these officials seeing that disaster. Controlling altitude of clouds is not something that can be done so easily.
I clicked on the video to hear about the 13 bombers lost. But the way he explained the development made me completely forget because I was so interested in it. Well done.
My grandfather destroyed dozens of stuka during the war, I think he said well over 40. On discharge the airforce told him "your the worst mechanic we've ever had...."
@@r_ex_7 sooo you keep count of people using the same comment? Only slightly disturbing, you tried a different hobby, one that involves the outdoors and people perhaps?
"What are the weather conditions in the target area?" "We'll let you know as soon as we can see it again." Great video, I never heard this story before. Thanks Paper Skies!
During the time when historical stories were told on the history channel back in the day you would have been able to watch this documentary in its entirely.
These guys didn’t have a book on dive bombing to go by. They were writing it. And as everyone associated with military aviation knows, those books are written in blood
The idea of testing and developing unproven concepts in the air is an uncomfortable one. From dive bombers to supersonic jet fighters, I wouldn't want to be on the leading edge. You just can't know everything going into it when nobody has done it before to tell you. Some of the difficulties and dangers of new technology and ideas are always found out the hard way, and with aviation that's an especially dangerous game.
Truly outstanding video! I have one little correction, the "Stuka" only had one pilot, the second crew member was the rear gunner plus radio operator ("Heckschütze" and "Funker" in German). So it'd probably be more accurate to say that 26 crew members died and not 26 pilots.
I was waiting for this comment :). I had the word “airmen” in my script and I have no idea why all of a sudden I said “pilots” , and I didn’t catch it while editing the video. But you’re absolutely right. Thank you for the correction.
My Father would take my Mother & my Sister & Me as kiddies - To see planes landing and taking off at Sutton Bank ! - After my Dad died - Mom told us the reason we would go to Sutton Bank - It to help Dad get over his fear of Low Flying Screaming Stukas - He came across during his time in the Royal Engineers -Helping Europe WW2
@@skittlesbutwithchocolatein2274 You either need help or you're American and know nothing on the subject except what your edgy echo chamber tells you. Stop it, get some help. We aren't communist over here. We're just.... Better.
Worked as a kid in a Montreal hobby shop back in the 1960's. The owner was a soldier in the Polish army during 1939. He said that being dive-bombed by shrieking Stukas was the most terrifying thing he ever experienced. Said that many guys just crapped their pants during an attack.
Stukas had that effect on the Poles, French, Russians and many other armies. An effective weapon to the extreme. Considered obsolete early in the war, Hans Rudel flew it to the very end of the spring 1945.
@@loydevan1311 "An effective weapon to the extreme." yea right, with every year and every story like the one of Andrew G. Whitaker they are geting more and more effective... LoL WW2 started with attack of battleship SMS Schleswig-Holstein on the Westerplatte. Battleship was shelling Polish positions(you can find video of it on youtube), he was so close that they needed to relocate the coal inside to tilt the ship on one side as the ship was not able to lower the guns to actualy hit target so close to him... Stukas were also used multiple times and theye were anything but "effective weapon". In total Germans used 3,400 man, 1 battleship, 2 torpedo boats, 60 aircrafts. Polish officer in charge got orders to deffend the Westerplate for 12 hours but not more than 24 hours. Polish soldiers were deffending it for whole week and in the end the officer got huge problem to convince its soldiers to surender as there was no chance in that time for any help. Out of 200 Polish soldiers(most of them not even profesional just simple conscripts) 15 died and 40 were wounded, Germans lost 50-200 people and 150 wounded. Every situation like that when Germans was strugling they were trying to hide it and that is why we can't even say how many Germans died in this battle. Similar case with Battle of Mokra in very first day of the war, no proper data how many German soldiers died and how many tanks were destroyed. In 1941 Germans took 3 millions of horses with them into USSR but in every video made in USA about this war German have allways fully motorized army. If i would base my understanding of the war on comment like that we can read here and crapy "documents" from TV i would be unable to understand why Germany lost the war when everything they got was "An effective weapon to the extreme."... LoL Poland contrary to France never surendered to Germany, Polish soldiers were in Berlin killing users of all that effective weaponds when Adolf was commiting suicide. So idea that they all craped pants in 1939 is at least strange. There is this photo of Antoni Jabłoński that hoists the Polish flag over Berlin from the Siegessäule (Victory Column) on May 2, 1945... no French, British or American flag was there at that time and only French soldiers fighting there were in The Waffen Grenadier Brigade of the SS Charlemagne.
Just began the video and had to pause to say how much I like the narration style. It's very clear English with what reminds me of my Russian professors' accents. The care in pronouncing names, especially across languages, is very appreciated as well!
@@edquier40 is it actually yeah? Whoa. I’m convinced that there’s AI channels on youtube, that are just creating their own content from google images and Wikipedia . No joke.
@@edquier40 this is not a robotic voice. It's clearly a non native English speaker talking. There's modulation and flow that you don't get in a text to voice translator.
@@edquier40 TTS sounds a bit different from human speech, but it doesn't have a foreign accent. Sounds like a (clearly human) Russian or Slavic accent to me too, I've heard plenty.
Interesting - this might go a long way to explaining situations like Dunkirk, where German forces delayed an attack past the point of opportunity because they were waiting for clear weather. Such a demonstration of how dangerous weather can be to dive bombers would certainly make an impression on Luftwaffe commanders.
Absolutely amazing. I have been studying WWII since I was 5 years old. I am 42. Yet I STILL learn completely new things I never knew all the time. Like this. THANK YOU!!! Your knowledge and willingness to take the effort to share is VERY MUCH appreciated!!
if you've never seen it, i highly recommend "World at War" a docuseries from the late 70s with a lot of interviews with surviving people RV Jones, Albert Speer, etc
@@LoPhatKao I have. a VERY long time ago. IN fact now what you mention it I think after all these years it is time for a re-watch! Thanks for the suggestion!!
I am seventy and have been a WWII buff since I was a kid in the 50’s asking questions of all the vets that lived in my small town. You will continue to learn things you didn’t know until you die.
@@LittleMacscorner Yes, that fact is very depressing. It was always a pleasure to encounter one of these gentlemen and occasional lady and find out where they served and getting a new perspective on a battle or campaign and in some cases adding to their knowledge. For some reason the small town I lived in held several Marines that had fought most of the island battles in the Pacific.
From an American Legion Post Commander Post 346 of South Florida 14th District and past Post Historian thank you for an outstanding and well presented presentation about the Neuhammer incident. Well done most appreciated.
Paper Skies is sooo good. This really deserves to be seen by a much wider audience. United States Air Force Academy and their historical library resource people, for instance. An amazing job of research and production values. Impressive.
I keep re-watching your videos, they're such a joy. The stories you cover are a delight, coupled with outstanding editing and research. The little side stories in your videos on soviet planes and subtle humour make those videos some of my favourites. What adds to it is your incredibly soothing voice. Being part German, part Polish I enjoy how well you pronounce the words and names from these languages which most native English speakers butcher. Your channel is one of a a handful for which I have notifications enabled.
Even in Poland, the 87s suffered serious losses. The perfect diving attack makes for an almost perfect target for any organized ground fire. The psychological effect of dive-bombing usually intimidated ground forces out of effective self-defense, especially against the French. Any fighter interception found the slow, relatively frail, 87s perfect targets. They were withdrawn from the Battle of Britain fairly early, when an unescorted mission was intercepted over the North Sea.
Another outstanding video - bravo! My favourite is your one on the Blinder bomber. The Soviet aviation stories are especially good and interesting for us in the West.
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You do a really great job on these and it’s great to have an opportunity to hear from someone so knowledgeable with his roots in Soviet Aviation. I’m glad the algorithm somehow got you on my feed!
I like that you pointed out that dive bombing was very new at the time. There was a little more experience with it in navies, but the Stuka was one of the first successful dive bombers in combat. (Japanese and American planes don't count here. Japan didn't face that much resistance to their bombers in most of China, and the US was neutral until Pearl Harbor).
I believe it was the US who pioneered dive bombing, specifically the US Marine Corps, whose aviators in 1927 with DH-4 bombers performed dive bombing strikes as part of close air support for US Marines in Nicaragua. Udet witnessed a demonstration of the techniques perfected during one of many of Uncle Sam's interventions in Central America.
The actual OS2U my dad flew off the USS INDIANA (BB 58) is hanging in the Udvar-Hazy museum in Chantilly, VA. I am so sad he did not live to know that...
@@whipple1062 That's pretty damn cool, but a shame he didn't get to see it. I'm in NoVA, and have yet to visit the museum. If I do go, I'll make sure to take a look at the bird and I'll be thinking of him. But, Hell, he got to fly it, so there's that. Always loved the look of the King Fishers. It was one of, possibly the first, airplane models I put together as a kid.
This type of formation, be it tactical air support or an airshow performance, have been fraught with similar disasters. When a formation is flying on the leader, and if that leader makes a mistake, the whole formation will magnify that mistake. In a formation, there is not enough room between aircraft to escape without colliding with another aircraft. The Ramstein disaster, the USAF Thunderbird’s practice flight that followed the leader’s lack of low level recovery into the ground are examples. Also, in the mid 1970’s and Italian flight of four F-104’s followed their leader in to the ground in Germany.
As happened to four RAAF Vampires practicing formation flying over East Sale in Victoria (Australia), 1950s, leader made a mistake and all flew into the ground killing all four were killed.
Let’s not forget the USAF Thunderbirds flying T-38’s on a practice flight in Nevada, the flight lead had a control malfunction while coming out of a loop and he and his wingmen all lost their lives. So sad and yet unbelievable.
This is an impressive video in that images were found that match the narration. It was capped with the story of Siegel’s final crash. The video of a Storch launching into fog was very sobering, and illustrative regardless of whether or not Siegel’s Storch was the ski-equipped one in the video. Well done.
Oh that fog thing makes it feel real campfire-story-ey. Definite final destination vibes, hahaha. Really nice touch. But the whole video is a series of nice touches, hahaha. Keep up the great work!
I bet the Final Destination chapter segment rarely went unnoticed and by the end people got the connection. This channel has some very interesting tie-in's between stories, and love the subtle humor in a lot of his video.
Re: the automatic recovery system. Several, if not most, of the squadrons disabled the device because they didn't trust it. Later in the war, the high command ordered everyone to leave the system alone. AND: For those people who attack the pronunciation of 'J' versus "Y", many Germans today, when speaking English, use the 'J' sound, and not the German sound 'Y'. Of course they use the 'Y' sound when speaking German. The more educated the speaker, the more likely they will be to use the 'J' sound when speaking English.
Is it also common for native German speakers, when speaking English, to pronounce the ‘W’ rather than as a ‘V’? I heard the word “Luft(w)affe” at least twice in the commentary as opposed to the usual “Luft(v)affe” which I am used to.
@@MorgoUK I have heard both pronunciations when Luftwaffe is said by German speakers. It may be because the word is German, with no equivalent English word (since no one ever calls it the 'Air Weapon', and few would call it the 'German Air Force') But they also have a tendency to use the English versions of words if one is available. For instance they often say Munich rather than Muenchen and Cologne rather than Koeln because those are the English equivalents.
I'm going to pin this comment to the top, since I'm a bit tired to respond to every claim from the so-called "German name experts". Thank you, Michael!
@@PaperSkiesAviation ... Since Junkers and Luftwaffe are Proper Nouns, and not just simple nouns, the original pronunciation is more appropriate. Basically being "more educated" has actually lead to the wrong decision being made. In English you use the 'Y' and the 'V' sounds for Junkers and Luftwaffe respectively, because they are proper nouns, not regular nouns.
Excellent. Well researched, edited and narrated. I will search out more. Subscribed. Auto thumbs-up henceforth. Thank you for your hard work and Cheers from Canada.
That was a very interesting video. I had never heard of this incident before. All of the history of aviation development during the interwar period was fascinating.
Your work is absolutely fantastic. You are a force worthy of history. My grandfather was a Group Commander in the RCAF. I do believe he would have appreciated your accuracy and decency.
I do like how you use some lesser-seen footage in your videos, even if it's recreations of events in film etc. - often channels (who aren't animating themselves) run from the same well of stock/public-domain video that sometimes MAY be related to what the video is about... but with yours I recognise clips I haven't seen before and they're all mostly themed toward the topic in question. This is very good for people (younger people or new converts into this field) who may encounter your video, see all-"new" visuals and feel you have something to say that the others do not (which so far I think you do, and I'm glad to have found the channel).
Your videos always put a smile on my face, with ease my fav channel on RUclips I just stopped building my FT Simple Cub just to see this video Cheers from Argentina!
Hi Neighbor. I enjoyed this very much. I look forward to viewing more. I can really see that this is a passion for you. Also, did you do one on the Night Witches of Russia?
Great vídeo pal, very informative indeed. I was not aware of such disaster on the JU-87 . There is plenty of books on the Stuka, but the one that I have, does not mention this accident. Keep the good work, saludos desde CR, América central.
One interesting point raised here was the opinion of Wolfram von Richthofen. The Stuka represented an increase in some close air support capability but not all. While it was designed to dive bomb, it could do other things and when the need for dive bombing waned, it was called upon to do more traditional CAS. But there was another aircraft which was in the frame from the 1930s which nobody ever talks about. This was the Henschel Hs-123, an open cockpit biplane that was arguably the best CAS aircraft of the war. In fact, in 1943 there were very few left and it was von Richthofen who requested that the type be put back into production. This was impossible because the jigs had been broken up in 1940. Sure it was slow. Sure it couldn't carry much load and sure, it was vulnerable to fighters. But as a ground attack aircraft, it was more capable, in many ways, than the Stuka.
Oh wow that 3D visual is a great touch. And Siegel managing to pull out while everyone else crashes all the military might head-first into the ground. It's so unfortunately funny. Like bugs bunny levels of outcome from looney tunes levels of hubris. Can't imagine how fucking awkward it would have been to have the surprise probably seem like an impressive display. "One plane did THAT???" "No, one squadron actually" "Wait." Another fantastic video! Thanks for making it!!
There's an interesting irony about the JU-87. It was as much a physical weapon as a psychological one. As the aircraft dived towards its target, the increasing wind speed spooled up a siren under the fuselage, emitting the famous screaming noise. I say ironic because while it served its purpose in terrorising those in its path, it also unnerved flight crews of the JU-87. In the end, they had the siren removed as it unduly slowed the aircraft down in the dive
Me: pauses video Also me: looks at the comments Also me: Yeah, I'm gonna add this one to favourites before I even watch it Also me, but 17 minutes later: Yup, I wasn't wrong
An excellent telling of this history of the dive bomber we knew very little about. I hear of it’s fame now I have reasons. In the Pacific Theater dive bombers were essential for attacks on ships, atoll, volcanic out croppings and other small point targets. Thanks for the lesson on dive bombing origins. I hadn’t realized the mixed ingenuity of its origin.
Love your accent and voice! Makes ya wonder how many crazy stories there are from those times. I’m 52, I’ve heard and read alot yet never this one....thanks again cheers
Great work, as I always expect from you. I struggle to follow some of my American RUclipsrs, who clip words and adopt strange cadences to their narratives sometimes. I never have any problem following your narratives. Thank you for another great video on a plane I hated in my youth, but grew to appreciate later.
This was also well covered in the Luftwaffe War Diaries (Cajus Bekker) where Sigel described how, when he was pulling out from the dive, he was actually flying down a firebreak or road between the trees and that he was below the treetops! Amazing that if he was a few feet either side of that gap, he would probably have also perished into the trees.
...And if he had not been positioned perfectly above that fire road, he'd likely never have had the time to shout a warning - And the entire squadron of 30 planes would have been lost (60 men in all).
Incredible. The more facts that are revealed the stranger it gets. I would Der if any of the aircraft were recovered to fly again. Surely they cannibalize the thirteen for serviceable spares..
@@loydevan1311
One interesting fact to know about Cajus Bekker :
in 1952 as Karl Bartz he wrote ''Als Der Himmels Brannte'' which was translated in French ''Quand Le Ciel Etait En Feu'' - ''When The Heavens Burnt''.
Later he expanded it under the name Cajus Bekker into the more complete
''The Luftwaffe War Diaries''. It was first serialized in the Hamburg publication, Kristall magazine.
@@Charlesputnam-bn9zy Wow, I had this in a paperback in my teens. 40 yr ago
@@vcv6560
For years I kept looking for the English translation of Karl Bartz's book until
realizing that Karl Bartz = Cajus Bekker.
One thing about German pilots that was unenviable was that they basically never stopped flying and fighting. Either they were injured making them incapable of flying, they were killed, they were shot down alive and became a POW, or the war ended. Those were the only options for leaving the Luftwaffe.
Some insisted on flying even when injured. They were built different.
They lost all the pilots then later somer sucker boys tried to win their sheil kaputt ronadamn
or being given a gun and sent to the frontline
Yeah so much for gender parity on that one, no one is fighting for equality during a war. People are idiots
@@grimreefer213 what are you fucking talking about
I want to say that the period-fitting video happening throughout really helps set the mind into the feel of the era, further enhancing the excellent narration. These videos are put together so well and are a pleasure to watch and learn!
I can only imagine the cringy feeling of these officials seeing that disaster. Controlling altitude of clouds is not something that can be done so easily.
I clicked on the video to hear about the 13 bombers lost. But the way he explained the development made me completely forget because I was so interested in it. Well done.
My grandfather destroyed dozens of stuka during the war, I think he said well over 40. On discharge the airforce told him "your the worst mechanic we've ever had...."
Grandfather: "But you have heard of me"
Heard it 1million times... Stop stealing comments
@@r_ex_7 sooo you keep count of people using the same comment? Only slightly disturbing, you tried a different hobby, one that involves the outdoors and people perhaps?
@@bazzmcfury9550 you don't have to be a math genius to know that you've seen it alot of time
@@bazzmcfury9550 also I'm in quarantine so do you want me to get beaten to death? Preferably
"What are the weather conditions in the target area?"
"We'll let you know as soon as we can see it again."
Great video, I never heard this story before. Thanks Paper Skies!
During the time when historical stories were told on the history channel back in the day you would have been able to watch this documentary in its entirely.
That's like the stupid signs we have now on British motorways.
"What does that sign say?"
"I can't see, it's too foggy."
"Ah, yes, it says FOG " !!
These guys didn’t have a book on dive bombing to go by. They were writing it.
And as everyone associated with military aviation knows, those books are written in blood
The idea of testing and developing unproven concepts in the air is an uncomfortable one. From dive bombers to supersonic jet fighters, I wouldn't want to be on the leading edge. You just can't know everything going into it when nobody has done it before to tell you. Some of the difficulties and dangers of new technology and ideas are always found out the hard way, and with aviation that's an especially dangerous game.
Actually, they already had something like a book. Only the aircraft was new, not the tactic. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dive_bomber
All they needed to know was the altitude of the target area.
"something like a book" and a completely new aircraft is a great recipe for creating smoking holes.
@@jiyushugi1085 It's a bit more complicated than that.
1:38 incredible that this embarrassing moment for the general has been preserved for posterity.
Young Biden...
@@perekman3570 It was a very tall and very steep ladder and he had leather bottom shoes and there was no handrail and the sun was burning
At least his butt was wiped.
Still on his air legs.
@@martintaper7997 The cockroaches just loved to see the blond hair on his legs floating in the pool. IKR? It's gotten fuckin' weird.
Truly outstanding video! I have one little correction, the "Stuka" only had one pilot, the second crew member was the rear gunner plus radio operator ("Heckschütze" and "Funker" in German). So it'd probably be more accurate to say that 26 crew members died and not 26 pilots.
I was waiting for this comment :).
I had the word “airmen” in my script and I have no idea why all of a sudden I said “pilots” , and I didn’t catch it while editing the video.
But you’re absolutely right. Thank you for the correction.
@@sjb3460 Most bombers (tactical/strategic) did
My Father would take my Mother & my Sister & Me as kiddies - To see planes landing and taking off at Sutton Bank ! - After my Dad died - Mom told us the reason we would go to Sutton Bank - It to help Dad get over his fear of Low Flying Screaming Stukas - He came across during his time in the Royal Engineers -Helping Europe WW2
nice helping communism took over half europe
@@skittlesbutwithchocolatein2274 what?
@@t22-t5t There's a fuck ton of actual nazi-sympathizers in these comments. It's disturbing
@Charles Northwest Oh would you have preferred the Soviet Union take over Europe? Think before you speak
@@skittlesbutwithchocolatein2274 You either need help or you're American and know nothing on the subject except what your edgy echo chamber tells you. Stop it, get some help. We aren't communist over here. We're just.... Better.
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Good video mate. The plane company is pronounced Yunkers tho, the "j" is silent.
Never heard of this one before. Interesting story.
Worked as a kid in a Montreal hobby shop back in the 1960's.
The owner was a soldier in the Polish army during 1939.
He said that being dive-bombed by shrieking Stukas was the most terrifying thing he ever experienced.
Said that many guys just crapped their pants during an attack.
I think they had sirens attached to the planes.
@@zefallafez That is a known fact.
Stukas had that effect on the Poles, French, Russians and many other armies. An effective weapon to the extreme. Considered obsolete early in the war, Hans Rudel flew it to the very end of the spring 1945.
That sirens where the reason the stuka was also considered a terror wepon
@@loydevan1311 "An effective weapon to the extreme." yea right, with every year and every story like the one of Andrew G. Whitaker they are geting more and more effective... LoL
WW2 started with attack of battleship SMS Schleswig-Holstein on the Westerplatte.
Battleship was shelling Polish positions(you can find video of it on youtube), he was so close that they needed to relocate the coal inside to tilt the ship on one side as the ship was not able to lower the guns to actualy hit target so close to him...
Stukas were also used multiple times and theye were anything but "effective weapon".
In total Germans used 3,400 man, 1 battleship, 2 torpedo boats, 60 aircrafts.
Polish officer in charge got orders to deffend the Westerplate for 12 hours but not more than 24 hours.
Polish soldiers were deffending it for whole week and in the end the officer got huge problem to convince its soldiers to surender as there was no chance in that time for any help.
Out of 200 Polish soldiers(most of them not even profesional just simple conscripts) 15 died and 40 were wounded, Germans lost 50-200 people and 150 wounded.
Every situation like that when Germans was strugling they were trying to hide it and that is why we can't even say how many Germans died in this battle.
Similar case with Battle of Mokra in very first day of the war, no proper data how many German soldiers died and how many tanks were destroyed.
In 1941 Germans took 3 millions of horses with them into USSR but in every video made in USA about this war German have allways fully motorized army.
If i would base my understanding of the war on comment like that we can read here and crapy "documents" from TV i would be unable to understand why Germany lost the war when everything they got was "An effective weapon to the extreme."... LoL
Poland contrary to France never surendered to Germany, Polish soldiers were in Berlin killing users of all that effective weaponds when Adolf was commiting suicide.
So idea that they all craped pants in 1939 is at least strange.
There is this photo of Antoni Jabłoński that hoists the Polish flag over Berlin from the Siegessäule (Victory Column) on May 2, 1945... no French, British or American flag was there at that time and only French soldiers fighting there were in The Waffen Grenadier Brigade of the SS Charlemagne.
Just began the video and had to pause to say how much I like the narration style. It's very clear English with what reminds me of my Russian professors' accents. The care in pronouncing names, especially across languages, is very appreciated as well!
@@edquier40 is it actually yeah? Whoa. I’m convinced that there’s AI channels on youtube, that are just creating their own content from google images and Wikipedia . No joke.
@@edquier40 this is not a robotic voice. It's clearly a non native English speaker talking. There's modulation and flow that you don't get in a text to voice translator.
@@andrewcharlton4053 Thank you, has the other guy never heard anyone from outside of America talk? Lol
@@edquier40 TTS sounds a bit different from human speech, but it doesn't have a foreign accent. Sounds like a (clearly human) Russian or Slavic accent to me too, I've heard plenty.
The narrator might like to know that Junkers is pronounced YOONG-kers, not DZHOON-kers. Like the Russian Ю.
That German officer slipping down the stairs at 1:41 was really distracting and amusing
Why did he grab the next guy's package?
Early Berlin bauhaus hipster
@@stephencain896 Nervousness, he fell and immediately thought to help the man behind him who may fall as well.
@@stephencain896 Thats a german thing. Whenever something ambarassing happens we tend to grab the next mans crotch.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO TOUCH MY MONKEY?
Interesting - this might go a long way to explaining situations like Dunkirk, where German forces delayed an attack past the point of opportunity because they were waiting for clear weather. Such a demonstration of how dangerous weather can be to dive bombers would certainly make an impression on Luftwaffe commanders.
Old Gypsy: "The fog will take you"
Ziegel: "Haha, cheated death"
Death: ...
Fog: Wanna see me do it again?
Absolutely amazing. I have been studying WWII since I was 5 years old. I am 42. Yet I STILL learn completely new things I never knew all the time. Like this. THANK YOU!!! Your knowledge and willingness to take the effort to share is VERY MUCH appreciated!!
if you've never seen it, i highly recommend "World at War"
a docuseries from the late 70s with a lot of interviews with surviving people
RV Jones, Albert Speer, etc
@@LoPhatKao I have. a VERY long time ago. IN fact now what you mention it I think after all these years it is time for a re-watch! Thanks for the suggestion!!
I am seventy and have been a WWII buff since I was a kid in the 50’s asking questions of all the vets that lived in my small town. You will continue to learn things you didn’t know until you die.
@@BRLaue In some ways that is oddly refreshing. Sadly most of the vets are gone now :(
@@LittleMacscorner Yes, that fact is very depressing. It was always a pleasure to encounter one of these gentlemen and occasional lady and find out where they served and getting a new perspective on a battle or campaign and in some cases adding to their knowledge. For some reason the small town I lived in held several Marines that had fought most of the island battles in the Pacific.
From an American Legion Post Commander Post 346 of South Florida 14th District and past Post Historian thank you for an outstanding and well presented presentation about the Neuhammer incident. Well done most appreciated.
Paper Skies is sooo good. This really deserves to be seen by a much wider audience. United States Air Force Academy and their historical library resource people, for instance.
An amazing job of research and production values. Impressive.
You can have that post and never have served in the military
I keep re-watching your videos, they're such a joy.
The stories you cover are a delight, coupled with outstanding editing and research. The little side stories in your videos on soviet planes and subtle humour make those videos some of my favourites.
What adds to it is your incredibly soothing voice. Being part German, part Polish I enjoy how well you pronounce the words and names from these languages which most native English speakers butcher.
Your channel is one of a a handful for which I have notifications enabled.
Oh, my Goodness, I am Latina still from my daddy part one of my great-grandfather was Polish and the other was German.
Hard to believe content of this much quality is free, excellent job!
Thank you Gustavo! Glad you enjoyed the video!
It's not free, you're just the product, not the consumer.
Everything should be free. It is your mind that is enslaved.
Even in Poland, the 87s suffered serious losses. The perfect diving attack makes for an almost perfect target for any organized ground fire. The psychological effect of dive-bombing usually intimidated ground forces out of effective self-defense, especially against the French.
Any fighter interception found the slow, relatively frail, 87s perfect targets. They were withdrawn from the Battle of Britain fairly early, when an unescorted mission was intercepted over the North Sea.
Another outstanding video - bravo! My favourite is your one on the Blinder bomber. The Soviet aviation stories are especially good and interesting for us in the West.
The next video is going to be a story from the Soviet Air Force.
@@PaperSkiesAviation Hoorah Hoorah Tovarish. I love Russian/Soviet aviation stories. :D
Yes. That was a great video!
8:45 What a fortunate turn of events, even the Stuka looks very happy about it.
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I read about this incident many years ago. In my recollection, what the leader shouted into his microphone was "Ground Fog!!", followed by "Pull Up!".
Imagine being one of the newly assigned pilot on Sigel's reinforced squadron.
I think you could be sure he is not making that mistake again, ever.
Worse than Dick Dastardly and his Vulture Squadron. Muttley do something!😃
Superb channel - excellent production values, great narration and very well researched - Paper Skies should go far.
Thank you , Ian!
You do a really great job on these and it’s great to have an opportunity to hear from someone so knowledgeable with his roots in Soviet Aviation. I’m glad the algorithm somehow got you on my feed!
The US lost seven destroyers in a single accident in 1923. Fog was also the culprit. Honda Point Disaster.
I like that you pointed out that dive bombing was very new at the time. There was a little more experience with it in navies, but the Stuka was one of the first successful dive bombers in combat. (Japanese and American planes don't count here. Japan didn't face that much resistance to their bombers in most of China, and the US was neutral until Pearl Harbor).
I believe it was the US who pioneered dive bombing, specifically the US Marine Corps, whose aviators in 1927 with DH-4 bombers performed dive bombing strikes as part of close air support for US Marines in Nicaragua.
Udet witnessed a demonstration of the techniques perfected during one of many of Uncle Sam's interventions in Central America.
All honed in the Spanish Civil War on Guernica
Rare video of a fixed gear Vought OS2U being used for dive bombing practice is a nice surprise !
The actual OS2U my dad flew off the USS INDIANA (BB 58) is hanging in the Udvar-Hazy museum in Chantilly, VA. I am so sad he did not live to know that...
@@whipple1062 That's pretty damn cool, but a shame he didn't get to see it. I'm in NoVA, and have yet to visit the museum. If I do go, I'll make sure to take a look at the bird and I'll be thinking of him. But, Hell, he got to fly it, so there's that. Always loved the look of the King Fishers. It was one of, possibly the first, airplane models I put together as a kid.
That over taking fog on Sigel is awesome finish
Fascinating anecdote backed by great research!
“I reject this proposition.”
“I reject your rejection.”
*CANCELLED*
I reject your rejection to my rejection.
This type of formation, be it tactical air support or an airshow performance, have been fraught with similar disasters. When a formation is flying on the leader, and if that leader makes a mistake, the whole formation will magnify that mistake. In a formation, there is not enough room between aircraft to escape without colliding with another aircraft. The Ramstein disaster, the USAF Thunderbird’s practice flight that followed the leader’s lack of low level recovery into the ground are examples. Also, in the mid 1970’s and Italian flight of four F-104’s followed their leader in to the ground in Germany.
As happened to four RAAF Vampires practicing formation flying over East Sale in Victoria (Australia), 1950s, leader made a mistake and all flew into the ground killing all four were killed.
Let’s not forget the USAF Thunderbirds flying T-38’s on a practice flight in Nevada, the flight lead had a control malfunction while coming out of a loop and he and his wingmen all lost their lives. So sad and yet unbelievable.
U.S. Navy and the amount of fires that destroyed or damaged so many ship at sea and even at port.
ah so its not that rammstein
@@loydevan1311 They use to bleach the heavy cloth hoses for inspections, so then many fell apart using them to fight the fires!
This is an impressive video in that images were found that match the narration. It was capped with the story of Siegel’s final crash. The video of a Storch launching into fog was very sobering, and illustrative regardless of whether or not Siegel’s Storch was the ski-equipped one in the video.
Well done.
Never knew about this. Very interesting. Creepy about the fog finally getting its man.
Oh that fog thing makes it feel real campfire-story-ey. Definite final destination vibes, hahaha. Really nice touch. But the whole video is a series of nice touches, hahaha. Keep up the great work!
Glad you enjoyed it :)!
I bet the Final Destination chapter segment rarely went unnoticed and by the end people got the connection. This channel has some very interesting tie-in's between stories, and love the subtle humor in a lot of his video.
Re: the automatic recovery system. Several, if not most, of the squadrons disabled the device because they didn't trust it. Later in the war, the high command ordered everyone to leave the system alone.
AND: For those people who attack the pronunciation of 'J' versus "Y", many Germans today, when speaking English, use the 'J' sound, and not the German sound 'Y'. Of course they use the 'Y' sound when speaking German. The more educated the speaker, the more likely they will be to use the 'J' sound when speaking English.
Is it also common for native German speakers, when speaking English, to pronounce the ‘W’ rather than as a ‘V’? I heard the word “Luft(w)affe” at least twice in the commentary as opposed to the usual “Luft(v)affe” which I am used to.
@@MorgoUK I have heard both pronunciations when Luftwaffe is said by German speakers. It may be because the word is German, with no equivalent English word (since no one ever calls it the 'Air Weapon', and few would call it the 'German Air Force') But they also have a tendency to use the English versions of words if one is available. For instance they often say Munich rather than Muenchen and Cologne rather than Koeln because those are the English equivalents.
I'm going to pin this comment to the top, since I'm a bit tired to respond to every claim from the so-called "German name experts".
Thank you, Michael!
Yeah nah yeah nah yeah...
@@PaperSkiesAviation ... Since Junkers and Luftwaffe are Proper Nouns, and not just simple nouns, the original pronunciation is more appropriate. Basically being "more educated" has actually lead to the wrong decision being made. In English you use the 'Y' and the 'V' sounds for Junkers and Luftwaffe respectively, because they are proper nouns, not regular nouns.
Excellent. Well researched, edited and narrated. I will search out more.
Subscribed. Auto thumbs-up henceforth.
Thank you for your hard work and Cheers from Canada.
Well, if the goal was to impress the generals, the success was resounding.
*17 planes slam into the ground*
Göring: Fantastisch. I'll take several thousand
He might've had a er...financial incentive!
"But other than that, how did the excercise go?"
I like the implied super natural connection with the fog... nice touch
For me as a german who is interested in Military Aviation it was very interesting!
I didnt know about this incident!
That was a very interesting video. I had never heard of this incident before. All of the history of aviation development during the interwar period was fascinating.
Never heard of this before. Thank you for posting this Paper Skies 👍
Good job having unique content that I haven't seen elsewhere.
I guess those Junkers became Junk that day.
he'll have to use something reliable such as a Tiger Moth etc. 😂
Just a crappy pronunciation 😀
Your work is absolutely fantastic. You are a force worthy of history. My grandfather was a Group Commander in the RCAF. I do believe he would have appreciated your accuracy and decency.
I heard about this long time ago now i got a good account about that tragedy. Thanks
My man. I can't say how much i enjoy your content. Your thumbnail drawings alone make it interesting for me to watch it already.
Thank you for everything! Your channel has been very informative and very interesting!! Keep up the fantastic work!
I do like how you use some lesser-seen footage in your videos, even if it's recreations of events in film etc. - often channels (who aren't animating themselves) run from the same well of stock/public-domain video that sometimes MAY be related to what the video is about... but with yours I recognise clips I haven't seen before and they're all mostly themed toward the topic in question. This is very good for people (younger people or new converts into this field) who may encounter your video, see all-"new" visuals and feel you have something to say that the others do not (which so far I think you do, and I'm glad to have found the channel).
Your videos always put a smile on my face, with ease my fav channel on RUclips
I just stopped building my FT Simple Cub just to see this video
Cheers from Argentina!
Interesting video, and this one put a smile on my face, too.
@@harmgregory4560 Welp, not a smile because lots of people died in an instant, but that a great quality video was uploaded by one of My fav creators
2:02 “let’s do a quick dive”
*nice*
I really enjoyed this documentary.
What's not to enjoy??
Your physics pertaining to the bomb through the propellers is floored
Paper skies is becoming more legendary with every new video
Fog really had something unsettled with Siegel. Makes you think if fate really might be a thing.
Great video, as always!
Hi Neighbor. I enjoyed this very much. I look forward to viewing more. I can really see that this is a passion for you. Also, did you do one on the Night Witches of Russia?
Thank you Donna! Glad you enjoyed the video!
_did you do one on the Night Witches of Russia?_ Not yet, but it is in my list for future videos.
Great vídeo pal, very informative indeed.
I was not aware of such disaster on the JU-87 .
There is plenty of books on the Stuka, but the one that I have, does not mention this accident.
Keep the good work, saludos desde CR, América central.
13:14 tbh that's one terrifying scene even for an animation. can't imagine the trauma of the spectators and the surviving pilots
What a shame, never mind.
Finished watching this as the last of your videos, all are extremely well made and great entertainment.
One interesting point raised here was the opinion of Wolfram von Richthofen. The Stuka represented an increase in some close air support capability but not all. While it was designed to dive bomb, it could do other things and when the need for dive bombing waned, it was called upon to do more traditional CAS. But there was another aircraft which was in the frame from the 1930s which nobody ever talks about. This was the Henschel Hs-123, an open cockpit biplane that was arguably the best CAS aircraft of the war. In fact, in 1943 there were very few left and it was von Richthofen who requested that the type be put back into production. This was impossible because the jigs had been broken up in 1940. Sure it was slow. Sure it couldn't carry much load and sure, it was vulnerable to fighters. But as a ground attack aircraft, it was more capable, in many ways, than the Stuka.
Your videos are really high quality. I really like them.
Oh wow that 3D visual is a great touch. And Siegel managing to pull out while everyone else crashes all the military might head-first into the ground. It's so unfortunately funny. Like bugs bunny levels of outcome from looney tunes levels of hubris. Can't imagine how fucking awkward it would have been to have the surprise probably seem like an impressive display. "One plane did THAT???" "No, one squadron actually" "Wait." Another fantastic video! Thanks for making it!!
There's an interesting irony about the JU-87. It was as much a physical weapon as a psychological one. As the aircraft dived towards its target, the increasing wind speed spooled up a siren under the fuselage, emitting the famous screaming noise. I say ironic because while it served its purpose in terrorising those in its path, it also unnerved flight crews of the JU-87. In the end, they had the siren removed as it unduly slowed the aircraft down in the dive
Can you imagine coming out of the clouds that fast and seeing nothing but the forest?!? Wow! Great video!
i don’t understand how you don’t have millions of subscribers, this is very high quality content. keep it up dawg
Me: pauses video
Also me: looks at the comments
Also me: Yeah, I'm gonna add this one to favourites before I even watch it
Also me, but 17 minutes later: Yup, I wasn't wrong
This is a good channel! The writing is very lively and compelling. History books should follow this narrative style.
Fascinating! Never heard of this before!
i love the animation of the stuka with the paper sky. Only you know how much work that was. Cheers
Cool. Another story that was totally new to me. Love it.
An excellent telling of this history of the dive bomber we knew very little about. I hear of it’s fame now I have reasons. In the Pacific Theater dive bombers were essential for attacks on ships, atoll, volcanic out croppings and other small point targets. Thanks for the lesson on dive bombing origins. I hadn’t realized the mixed ingenuity of its origin.
1:40 when you screw up and try to act like everything's normal 🤣🤣🤣
11 mins 47 seconds , WUNDERBAR !!!! with the Jumping Generals 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Imagine all the "Oh shit!" moments had by all those pilots a split second before they plowed into the ground...
@New Name LOL
Another great story, thank you Paper Skies!
German officers after the demonstration: “Those bombs are kind of expensive aren’t they?”
Love your accent and voice! Makes ya wonder how many crazy stories there are from those times. I’m 52, I’ve heard and read alot yet never this one....thanks again cheers
I had heard about this accident. Nice animations.
Really awesome job on the video. Great 2d and 3d illustrations! 👍
I can imagine some observer thinking, "Alright, so that's dive bombing. Got it."
Excellent work.
Haden't seen this channel until now. Subscribed!
Blind faith eh? - Ouch. No doubt those VIPs had their own 'Von Humphrey's write it all off as 'an administrative error'.
The animation from 11:35 was again pure comedy gold!
The Stuka was quickly withdrawn from action against England in 1940 because of very high losses.
Performed admirably on the Russian front though.
Meat on the table for Spitfires.
Not much use when you're deteced with a big flat blue barrier between you and are caught on radar
Good work, had never heard of this unfortunate incident before. There's a surprising amount of stuff in history.
"unfortunate incident"??? These people were Nazis!! I wish more had died.
@@Fionnlagh66 That may well be, but they were somebody's children, and had we been around in pre-war Germany, one of them may have been yours or mine.
@@richln9682 Boo-hoo!
the JU-87 has to be the happiest plane ever, look at that smile
It's the Mazda Miata of the skies.
Loved this video! I had never heard of this incident before. Great animation, narration and very informative. Thanks! 😁👍
All this & no mention of Hans Ulrich Rudell! This was inexcusable! Just kidding! Great presentation of a sturdy & reliable aircraft. Thank you!
Exactly what I was thinking. What about Rudel?
Excellent narration, and editing!
Great work, as I always expect from you. I struggle to follow some of my American RUclipsrs, who clip words and adopt strange cadences to their narratives sometimes. I never have any problem following your narratives. Thank you for another great video on a plane I hated in my youth, but grew to appreciate later.
Another excellent story. Thank you for the research and presentation.
Great video - lots of good context and history. Poor buggers though... even if they were our enemy at the time.
Incredible
Amazing what Communication is Capable of
Preventing such a blunt Catastrophe
Good work
Hey man i love your vids.
Keep it up 😉🤝
Wow. Amazing story, it's so rare I find a genuinely new and startling fact about WWII - subbed!