Unique L-35 Lahti Target Pistol with Stock & Bipod
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The Lahti L-35 pistol was adopted by the Finnish military with the intention of it replacing the Luger, although production was never great enough to accomplish that goal. Early in its production, a couple of special target models were made for field shooting use, and this is one of them (serial number 052). It has a much longer barrel than normal, extended sight radius (your choice of aperture or open notch sights), and a detachable buttstock with a very interesting design of bipod. A door in the side of the stock allows storage of spare sight parts, cleaning gear, and a spare magazine. Truly a unique pistol - thanks to Sako for giving me access to film this example from their factory museum!
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He was electric engineer at vaajakoski factory..died -58 on o hearth stroke in factorys fire..did participate in finnish civil war,, and was a founding member and first chairman of legendary hunting&fishing club "koukku ja paukku RY" (hook and cartridge) at vaajakoski
And Vaajakoski is not a village/town. It's a neighborhood in Jyväskylä - Finland.
Although it could also allude to the fact he worked at the factory there. Maybe a gift from his boss?
@@StressmanFIN Vaajakoski being a part of Jyväskylä is fairly recent development. Back when the original owner of the pistol was around, it was very much its own town.
@@mkh123 His name sounds finnish and probably knew the name already, I imagine the founder of a "legendary" shooting club would be a commonly known name in shooting and gun-nut circles
@@StressmanFIN Yeah, it was its own town back in the day before urban sprawl ate up the region. Finland used to be a lot less densely-populated before the 1940s, with people spread out in more small communities.
@Markus Laitinen. Your story seems true as I was able to find old book in sale about canoeing written by Reino Kalari in 1933. Couldn't find any connection to the gun though. Hieno mies hän ollut.
The rubber patch that's missing is likely a blind for the non-dominant eye so you can aim one-eyed without having to squeeze the other eye closed. Same as used by competition rifle shooters.
You said what I too was thinking! But you stated it much more eloquently. I’m sure that is what it was. 👍
Cool pistol. I really like "busy" designs like this. Lots of stuff to fiddle with. And of course it's a stocked pistol which is always interesting.
As with the Turkish Vickers video, widgets! All the widgets to play with.
I suspect that the part that’s broken off could have been an obstruction for the non dominant eye enabling you to shoot with both eyes open.
You beat me to it. Yeah that would be the logical explanation given the place and material.
That was my first guess even before seeing this comment.
Beat me to it, was about to make the same comment. You can see them used all the time for Olympic style pistol and rifle competitions. Sometimes they are on the gun, sometimes worn on glasses.
Maybe the broken off rubber part was a type of eye hood or something to block the sight of the other eye?
I think you might be right, it is the first thing that came to my mind as well.
Field shooting is probably similar to what we shoot here in Norway, targets of various shapes placed at different distances out in the woods. The shoulder stock is illegal here because pistols with shoulder stocks and rifles with pistol grips are very dangerous, apparently. I believe germans still shoots with pistol stocks. Rink makes some great looking ones!
Dangerous for who?
@@Caligula138 nobody knows, only that it is…
@@Caligula138 you know politicians. Black rifles are more dangerous than wooden ones.
As a german, but non gunowner, i don' t know that Pistolen mit Anschlagschaft are common among german target shooters. But there is not only DSB ( Deutscher Schützenbund since 1861), there is also DSU ( Deutsche Schießsport Union), BDS ( Bund deutscher Schützen) and BDMP ( Bund deutscher Militär - und Polizeischützen, today also civilian members). So it is possible, that the smaller target shooters societies really sometimes shoot with stocked pistols.
@@brittakriep2938 I often see pictures on social media of German air pistol target shooting with stocks, so I assume there should be some shooting centerfire also since stocks are being made and sold by Rink. Soon we will all be shooting with lazer pistols, like they did in the Olympics (pentathlon)… much safer :)
Fantastic custom pistol. Even has items leftover from the black powder era: cleaning flax tow, huge hollow buttstock for tow and parts usually called a patch box. I almost purchased a regular Lahti years ago until I handled one. It was so heavy, I decided not to because I did not think I could find a buttstock. I love all stocked pistol designs. This is such a Forgotten Weapon. Great video.
A good gunsmith should be able to manufacture one that fits that mount, at a price. It won't be original, of course, but it'll do the job.
Since you're on the topic of target shooting and 'tis the season: I'd like to see a professional biathlon gun being reviewed by Forgotten Weapons.
I like watching biathlon on TV and some of the guns look rather funky and the straight pull action is also pretty interesting.
They are not forgotten and probably hard to get, but maybe it'll work out.
The french are known to make pretty good biathlon rifles so maybe that'll trigger Ian. :D
That is a pretty good idea for a Finnish Brutality.
A Biathlon as part of the course.
@@shawnr771 I did a biathlon once while in the service and it knocked the wind out of me. We didn‘t ski though, we were running in BDU‘s. It‘s something else. 😂
@@shawnr771 They sort of did that as a course of fire in the Winter Brutality of 2020. Shooters had to drag a sled while skiing and hitting targets.
Man that’s a cool looking pistol!
The name is easy to find with google as someone already noticed. Reino Kalari was educated as DI which modern equivalent is a Master of Science (engineering). His main subject was electrical engineering. At the time in 20-50's the title was much more prestigious than today. Also he chaired a local hunting association for nine years until his death in '58 (at the age of 55).... So I would imagine that the probable income and interest in hunting may match the fellow to this gun.
Ah yes, the Land of Perkele always surprises with something new.
And that thing in 7:04 was probably meant to block the other eye for two eyes aiming. Sorta like you see on some biathlon rifles.
(Offtopic) For some reason I really liked that camera angle. Most straight angle shots make it seem you are looking at something in a display case, this is much more what you would see as a user, I suppose? aside from the one looking through the sights.
That is a glorious retro-futurist monster of a gun, and I love it.
Vaajakoski is indeed a village in Jyväskylä (though I rather suspect it was a municipality of its own back in the day) and Jyväskylä is where the VKT plant was located, which at tleast to me seems to suggest the owner of this gun was somehow involved with the business there. I'm sure some fellow Finnish viewer can elaborate.
Although it was separate village during the manufacture, it was more of "independent special district" rather than an actual independent village, halfway mix of village and district of the neigbouring town. Geography: downtown Vaajakoski is just 6 km from the VKT factory which is right next to the downtown Jyväskylä. Worker could have easily biked or just walk to the VKT.
Same model was used throughout Finland but started to vanish from 1940-50's onward in favour of more modern system.
It was a part of Jyväskylän maalaiskunta which also included Tikkakoski in the north.
It looks like a Luger without a toggle lock action. Love what your doing keep bringing unique and obscure firearms to public knowledge
"Field shooting" is probably the Swedish "Fältskytte", a formal sport where you shoot at targets that pop up in the field. Finland is mostly famous for their "Reservist Shooting", it was done in Sweden in the 50s and 60s, but never caught on (like Fältskytte did). It was then called "Stridsskjuting" (Combat shooting) which they now call Reservist Shooting in Finland.
And then we got IPSC and "Dynamiskt skytte" from over there.
I hope it all translates to: "If we see you walking across our border without asking permission, you're getting shot."
As far as i know, also Switzerland has a similar tradition.
@@brittakriep2938 Swiss Field shooting is very different.
@@CandidZulu : I, german, no gunowner, simply wanted to note that swiss target shooting tradition has more military tradition than in other countries.
This looks like it came straight out of Call of Duty Vanguard LOL but it's probably way better
@@kvonkirk2340 yup. They would have abused it more.
@@OneHunnitNoCapStannitOnBidnisz including the fact that the PPSH becomes a PPS-43 when you add a certain attachment. Like WTF Activison.
@@OneHunnitNoCapStannitOnBidnisz get out of here clown
@@OneHunnitNoCapStannitOnBidnisz doubt you know anything
Holy crap guys I didn't know y'all commented so much on this LOL Apparently some body said something dumb but I can't find their comment oh well probably for the best haha
Googled the name on the plaque, the person was the founding chairman of the Vaajakoski Hunting & Fishing club.
Jaysus, just when I’m kind of over this channel you dig something like this up!
Going off the Ye Olde European target guns with diopter(ish) sights I've seen, the rubber thing that is now gone was a flap that was supposed to block line of sight between the shooter's left eye and both the target and the front sight.
It saves you having to close one eye.
One of the coolest pistols I have seen, love the compartment in the stock
I love guns like this one. They have the "tacti-cool" aspect, without being modern.
Sure this one isn't as elegant as the Luger Carbine model 1902 or the Scoped C96 Carbine, but it's still very interesting and, most of all, forgotten.
A pistol with basically anti-air sights and a bipod... this channel never ceases to amaze me.
Not anti air. These are typical competition sights. These kind of sights are still used to this day, a very notable example is Olympic target guns
@@Gameprojordan True, but they do remind me of the MG42 spider web AA sights... :D
Pleasantly , unusual indeed. Had no idea of such a P35. Good show & safe travels 👍
my favorite pistol.
got one back in 1977.
great video.great channel.
hey to all tsjc gunnies.
Cool Lahti and great video as always! Not sure if field shooting was the same back then, but in the nordic countries, it's still today a common shooting sport. One variant of field shooting today is "magnumfältskytte" or magnum field shooting, were you're allowed to shoot from a "free stance". The stance most people use is a seated stance were they rest the gun on a rest between their knees, with their legs in front of them. Check some videos on youtube and you'll get the idea. I'm just wondering if the bipod could have been used for a similar stance? Most people tend to use 10+ inch revolvers or pistols for this type of discipline, so some similar discipline might have existed back then as well.
What? I just watched your other Lahti pistol video like 20 minutes ago and this video pops up. I cant get anymore lucky than this :3
WoW! Look at that!!!!! I´ve never seen one of those before. Interesting. Keep up the good work!
Yep! I was thinking in those veins my self.
YES! I love this gun so much!!! I can't believe after all these years, you still have the chance to keep showing us interesting guns! God Bless Ian... Love ya!
Very cool target pistol and rifle kit they really used their noodle building that with all the neet mods and tricked out cocking hook and those sights are super slick in form and function too love it.
Ian says "Riihimäki" like it's an german curse word :)
By the barrel length of that pistol, I deem it quite Georgeous!
It's a horrible gun though. The grip is uncomfortable. The Swedish manual recommend using the middle finger to pull the trigger since LOP is so long. And they crack with the Army issued ammo (thick jacket and high pressure).
@@CandidZulu The cracking is due to the unrevised Model I original slide designs and the use of standard 9mm ammunition instead of the correct Lahti ammunition, which is 9x19 Pb, 8 grams, bullet 123 gr FMJ, which gives a 290 m/s velocity, while the standard ammo will give 370/390 m/s.
@@OneHunnitNoCapStannitOnBidnisz you back
Didn’t they break from using really hot ammo intended for smgs?
@@joseramirez9599 Americans useing surplus ammo
Its kinda nice to see Ian making videos about finnish stuff, evidently lightening finns from shadows
Ian is speaking extra softly because of how rare these guns are. True pro.
One thing that makes the Lahtis nice for target shooting and general accuracy is that the barrel, front sight, and rear sight are all fixed together. Being that the barrel doesn't tilt or rotate I suspect helps as well and should make suppressing them rather easily. I suspect you could even suppress them with out a Neilsen Devise or a booster. Would be a nice pistol to integrally suppress also.
Whoever made this really wanted to win on target shooting.
Yes, the presumption about the owner's home place is quite plausible, Vaajakoski is a former municipality about 8km from Jyväskylä, where VKT was located (Tourula).
I love how every normal pistol back then looked like a Luger, a Lahti or a Glisenti
The L-35 was originally intended to replace the Luger. They mostly fit in the same (Flap) holsters. This literally looks like a Luger, because it's supposed to.
@@Psiberzerker Interesting, didn't know that
@@OneHunnitNoCapStannitOnBidnisz You mean Ian?
@@MrMolotov888 it's some dumb copy paste joke. I don't understand it but I've seen it being commented for a month or so now
@@OneHunnitNoCapStannitOnBidnisz Shouldn't you be in 4th grade school
What a beautiful piece. Top video.
Well It looks like it is Olympic competition pistol during 1936-1948 free class pistol competition during those events made by sako or vkt
What a funny coincidence. The game I'm playing just announced they are going to add Lahiti-L35
Wow, this thing is ludicrous in a good way. Looks like something that would have appeared in a Roger Moore era Bond film. Awesome!
In the 90s some shooters in Sweden wanted a better pistol in the autopistol class in Magnumfältskytte. So they took a pistol m/40 and put a barrel from a submachinegun m/45 on them.
Once again, I see a video of a Finnish firearm and once again I am compelled to remind you to like and comment for engagement!
Vaajakoski is a district of Jyväskylä, Finland and the centre of Vaajakoski-Jyskä ward. It is located seven kilometres from the city centre on the Northern end of lake Päijänne, where it is bordered by Jyskä to the west, Sulunperä and Kaunisharju to the north, Tölskä to the west and Haapaniemi to the south. As of January 2012 the population of Vaajakoski district was 1503. [2]
Man, this is a beautiful one, my favourite target pistol out there
Since only a handful of those pistols are known to have been made it might be a possibillity they were made for competitive shooters with ties to the factory
Well that thing sure looks like fun!!
Normie: Hey a Luger!
*Long time viewers face palm.*
I love stocked pistols anyway, but this one is exceptional.
Tell me this gun doesn't look like a Star Wars blaster
This gun doesn't look like a Star Wars blaster
you need to slap an unnecessary scope to make it a star wars blaster
The frozen wastes of Hoth and their space squirrels are not to be trodden lightly
Just add some unnecessary barrel ribs, a perforated barrel jacket, and a scope and voila, we got ourselves a Star Wars blaster pistol.
I've already put it in my Star Wars Guns playlist!
Good morning everyone! Hope you had a great Thanksgiving
We need this gun in the range...
I've always liked pistols with stocks and this seems about the best of those.
Same here, stocked pistols are low-key some of the coolest designs and most fun to play around with at the range. I like the idea that you can turn a pistol into a carbine whenever you want
Both the standard and the extended version are gorgeous ❤️😍 would absolutely love to own them
Field shooting with pistol is done in the field (ie not on conventional ranges) at long range targets. The range varies between 40 and 180 meters. The shooting positions varies between standing and lying on your back in a reclining position using your knees to support the gun. So it would be interesting to see how the bipod would have been used in practice.
Reminds me of something you might see on The Man From Uncle. Imagine the conversation if you showed up at the range with it.
Some googling revealed the original owner, Reino Kalari (1902-1958), was a civil war veteran, an engineer and the first chairperson of the Vaajakoski hunting and fishing club, also influential in the SOK co-op (currently the second largest grocery chain in Finland). He died of heart attack during rescue operation in a factory fire.
fully upgraded pistol
Star Wars prop guys would have a field day.
You can easily find Reino Kalari from village Vaajakoski, on internet. Died in 1953 of a heart attack during fire in his factory. It is probably the same one.
First thought when looking at the thumbnail: "awesome another weird Chinese Warlord era mystery pistol!"
Its so delicate and old that Ian had to speak softly when around it.
This particular pistol seemed to belong to Reino Alfred Karlinpoika Kalari (1902-1958), who was the chairman for the Vaajakoski fishing and hunting club Koukku ja Paukku (Hook and Bang) from 1949 until his death form a heart attack while helping in an office fire clean up effort.
What a damn interesting fire arm.
Now, can SOMEONE please sit down with the person responsible for the reference collection and have a chat about corrosion, dry leather and storage?
Early Scandinavian SteamPunk?
Check the back room for a gas-0perated M-96. with a quad-column 30-round detachable magazine. (and brass scope).
Ian! I love your work and have been watching for years. My favorite thing you've done was the thompson/Tommy gun series. One thing I would love to see is you getting a new camera. 1080p is great but it's 2021 and 4k cameras with manual/auto focus are fairly affordable now and would really make your videos that much better.
An intriguing and interesting way to wake up this morning.
The broken off rubber bit could have been a patch to block line of sight for your non dominant eye so you can shoot with both eyes open.
Wow, so many clues as to its history.
"Yes Jaakko, I wish to shoot 300 meters with my pistol. What of it?"
That front sight post is the same aperature used in every video game sniper rifle before 2010.
Thank you .Ian.
A pistol with a bipod is a new one for me. There can't be many of those.
2:35 it also looks like you could screw out the large dish portion of the aperture sight and have a slightly more open ring version
The big portion is even nurled!!!
The NEXT Starwars movie Blaster :)
Now this is pod-racing!
Awesome pistol while I still like the luger a tiny bit more its tied for #1 with the 1911 this is a very close second
And I thought that bipods on handguns was a modern phenomenon!
In a german arms magazine, i am german, i have seen a photo of wwl: Austro/ Hungarian soldiers testing full automatic versions of semi automatic pistols with Zweibein/ bipod. But this bipots could have been in this context simply items for pistol test.
Videos like this one make the difference.
So the Finn have both the cooler AK and the cooler broomhandle. Nice
Tacticool before it was cool or even tactical, I love it, it's like from a Sergio Leone movie. When the first helpless victim is fleeing the main antagonist, he shoots him with his L-35 Lahti...
I'd have been buried with it! Valhalla here I come , with Attitude.
7:01 Typed that name and village and found an ancestry site with some info...the guy was some sort of engineer at a factory and was part of a fishing and hunting club. This was probably his personal target pistol at that club. Passed away 1958 RIP
0:55 made me flinch, even though I'm just watching on my phone.
Ah! So the French with the sniper version of the MR73 weren't the first to put a bipod on an handgun.
Looks like something that should appear in the next Star Wars
Almost as cool as the 'GIGN's MR73 Sniper Revolver in .357 Magnum' that you featured on Forgotten Weapons about 5 months ago. Both have integral bipods and long barrels, except the MR73 has a variable scope. The applications of these guns is extremely limited to slow precision shooting which is why we gun nuts love them.....the more gadgets and precision, the better. In fact I built my own Luger Carbine with detachable stock out of an Erma EP22 out of my love of the whole concept.
Impressive that they let you handle such old and rare guns, especially with that leather strap
Most of the content on this channel is Ian going places we can only dream of, and getting to handle guns we never heard of. Hence the name.
Dang, they straight up maxed out the starter weapon.
quick google reveals that he was seasoned hunter and engineer, also highly respected community member
Lahti vs. Lahti with all the attachments unlocked and equipped.
A competition pistol with a shoulder stock and bipod, and a foot long barrel. Did you check what the trigger weight is? I really wonder what set of rules they had for that kind of competition. Very different to anything we know today for sure.
It feels like some shooting organization said "you must use a luger"... and somebody at Sako said hold my beer.
The gun looks like a starter weapon upgrades to the max
Really neat pistol
Ian will be using this at the next Finish Brutality
Must be filming on Sunday, Ian's voice is pretty normal.
I'll add this to my steam punk top ten . just got to love a gun you can fiddle about with and try to guess what did what😁
Pistols with shoulder stocks are fascinating to me, just regular automatic handguns with detachable stocks
Kind of looks post-apocalyptic