It is kinda hard to talk about the real history of the Three Kingdoms without everyone knowing the content of the novel. So, I have created a summary of the novel first. To bake a cake, I have to plant the wheat first.
The "novel" is a particular form of literature with a particular structure. Despite the claims of people who don't understand literary theory, or have attempted to twist it for political purposes, the first published work that fits the criteria of the novel model is attributed to Daniel Defoe in 1719.
@@archenema6792 what are those criteria? and why do they exclude not only Japanese and Chinese novels but also "The Ingenious Gentleman Don Quixote" of La Mancha by Miquel the Cervantes from 1605 and 1615?
@@darkfalon7 You expect me to list on a comment page the criteria that it would take a dissertation length book to describe? Lazy Millenials posing as academics are the reason this debate even exists in the first place. I'd say do your own research, but that would be about 5 minutes, and then you'd go back to cat videos and TikTok girls.
@@archenema6792 ok, I only have background in archaeology and philosophy and I've never actually focused on literary theory, so I not familiar with the discussion literary theorist have on the definitions of literary genres, I don't know the names of the authors who write about this problem or the keywords I should use during the search, but as I understand the novel is long form of narrative fiction, that deal with human experiences and is written in prose, but this is something I have been taught in school and that you can also find in wikipedia and as I understand you have something else in mind. Would you mind to reference some works or some authors we can verify your claim. Also a definition that takes the length of a dissertation defeats the purpose of a definition.
I used to like Liu Bei when I'm young. As I grown older, I realize he was a snake that betrayed more people than Lu Bu. I feel like the world would be so much better if China was united under Cao Cao banner. Even the best emperor from Tang praised Cao Cao. Cao Cao didn't just looked out for his people, he also attracted talents general's, the brains and he wanna get ride of corruption completely. Just like the current president Xi is doing lol. Here is a sad twisted for Wu best strategist, Zhou Yu. He resisted Cao Cao invasion instead of surrendering. He could help build a better and more peaceful China. What went wrong? I remembered reading that he received a letter from Cao Cao stating he'll steal his wife for her beauty. The question is, who really send that letter to provoked Zhou Yu before the invasion? As you guys know, Zhou Yu died pretty young from a injured after he went to save a pirate friend. All that could have prevented if Zhou Yu convinced Sun Quan to surrender. His action would save so much lives, end the civil war and make China great again. Anyway, I just wanna share this important info. It's where past government use misinformation to discredit their successor. I love this quote 33:50 ruclips.net/video/Gg1SGA3zYx8/видео.html "Qin Shi Huang was a target of political propaganda created by the Han Dynasty that succeeded his. It purpose was to discredit the Qin Dynasty and by doing so justify and elevated it own existence. All of our sources for Qing Dynasty history come from the subsequent dynasty, the Han dynasty." RotK, while a decent read, basically amounts to Three Kingdoms fanfiction. It was written during the Ming Dynasty, where a revitalization of Han Dynasty ideas and concepts was happening. As such, it is hardly surprising that RotK glorifies all of the "Shu-Han" characters as heroes while denigrating those of Wu and especially Wei. Cao Cao most notably gets an extremely bad rap as he is portrayed as being a devious scheming coward that the author begrudgingly notes was competent and had good retainers. In actuality, the Sanguozhi notes Cao Cao as being "the Great Progenitor" who cared for the common people and was primarily interested in restoring order, while having a ruthless realpolitik streak to him. Liu Bei, far from being portrayed as the hero who fought against overwhelming odds and disastrous fate, is instead ascribed a behavior similar to that of Lu Bu: a brave man with grand ambitions, but was personally a bit of an idiot. And please don't get me started on the historical porn that is RotK's portray of Zhuge Liang. Zhuge Liang is associated with more fictitious stories than anyone in the novel. While Zhuge was a smart man, brilliant politician and able general, he is basically treated like an all-knowing God. For instance, his first accomplishment is setting the trap at the Battle of Bowangpo where he traps Xiahou Dun and Yu Jin in a fire. This was actually Liu Bei's idea in the actual history, Zhuge Liang wasn't even with Liu Bei at the time. Zhuge is especially deified during the Battle of Chibi. Many of the credits given to him were either fake (the arrow gathering, making the wind change obviously) or taken from Zhou Yu. Furthermore, Zhuge Liang's southern campaigns against the Nanman are all made up in order to glorify the genius of Zhuge. The only truth known from these battles is that Zhuge captured Meng Huo 7 times and defeated the southern rebellion. While there are many moments during the Northern Campaign that didn't happen, the most famous would be the Empty City strategy. Zhuge Liang was stationed in a city being marched on by Sima Yi's massive forces. Zhuge had little to no troops, so he ordered the gates open and while he himself wait at the top of the gate. Once Sima Yi saw him, he thought it was a trap and retreated. Don't get Zhuge Liang wrong though, as I said he was a brilliant general and politician. However, the novel over glorifies him. www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/2jv5fp/what_do_we_actually_know_about_lu_bu yeah, i totaly agree with all your standpoints, i have the rotk books. they are great read but it's idd a fictional book. I consider CaoCao the Tru hero who wanted to reform the state and country and make it 'great' again. And yes most stories around Lui Bei are indeed heavy overdone. Lui Bei wasn't a hero. He couldn't do nothing right. His heavy loss where he ended up dying from at Yiling proves that. He had no strategist with him, just blindly attacked the Wu strongpoints and had no real strategy. His 'camping in the forrest' in summer heat proves he was a mediocre statesmen. Also in the book rotk Cao Pi took the empirial throne and forsed the emperor to abdicate, then Xian died. Wich in reality didn't happen, Xian became the Duke of Shanyang and lived a very comfortable life and died 14 years later. -Dante Kenchi And this.. Zhuge Liang was my favorite character when I first saw the show, but as I grow older, I did more reading and research. I'll share my thoughts here. Tell me what yall think. www.quora.com/The-Three-Kingdoms-Period-in-Ancient-China-Why-wasnt-Wei-Yan-listed-as-one-of-the-Five-Tiger-Generals I saw this well-written post regarding why Zhang Liang was being so cruel to Wei Yan because historically, Wei Yan was better than Zhang Liang. The novel, on the other hand, needs to make Wei Yan a scapegoat. To do this, they need a reason to tarnish his reputation and elevate Zhuge Liang by exaggerating his ability. I can confirm the exaggeration of Zhuge Liang by simply looking up the list of fictional events that happen in the novel. Take the empty fort strategy for example, it was originally deployed by Zhao Yun and the author of the novel stole the idea. The three visits never happen but it was the other way around because Zhuge Liang was a nobody that time. I also remember about borrowing arrows with a boat from Cao Cao but it was Sun Quan idea, who discover it by accident while he was on a reconnaissance mission. Wu love their water. Let's get back to Wei Yan on why the novel needs to tarnish his reputation. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Wei Yan never seems to lost a single battle as he campaigns with Zhuge Liang, from quelling the rebellion from the south to campaign against Cao Wei. Zhuge Liang on the other hand, grant Ma Su, an inexperienced bookworm to lead a large army and you probably know how it ends. And guess who send there to save the remaining Ma Su troop? Wei Yan remind me of Han Xin, where he defects from a previous lord that contribute a lot but die horribly. I don't know why, but I feel like Wei Yan death was unjust. The man never lost a battle, yet when the shu send troops to capture him for defying a command secretly order by a dead Zhuge Liang, Wei Yan never resists or kill a single person from shu. On the other hand, the state he serves and contribute his whole life never pardon his family. They just outright kill his whole family. Update: I realize now that the novel exaggerated Zhuge Liang ability. Take a look at the following and you know he's actually an incompetent individual. Take Ma Su for example, Zl assign him to lead a large army and Ma Su lost the battle badly. He suck so hard, he barely kill a single Wei soldier and all because he was being inexperienced. That must took a toll on ZL for making such careless decision. To further show proof that Zhuge Liang was incompetent, his successor Jiang Wei took down Wei Yan double gate defense. He basically letting Dang Ai to enter Shu capital without much resistance. Even in death, Wei Yan help defends Shu. Jiang Wei, on the other hand, makes it easy for the enemy. Traitor? He's not done yet, prior to Shu surrendering, Jiang Wei blunter cause Zhuge Liang only son to be violently killed. Zhuge Liang son was adored in Shu, every time he wore his father robe, he looks like his old man. I bet a lot of rotk fans never heard of ZL son or how he dies right? All they remember is his fictional feats.
He didn't run away, he was heading to the another direction xD Long rants. I used to like Liu Bei when I'm young. As I grown older, I realize he was a snake that betrayed more people than Lu Bu. I feel like the world would be so much better if China was united under Cao Cao banner. Even the best emperor from Tang praised Cao Cao. Cao Cao didn't just looked out for his people, he also attracted talents general's, the brains and he wanna get ride of corruption completely. Just like the current president Xi is doing lol. Here is a sad twisted for Wu best strategist, Zhou Yu. He resisted Cao Cao invasion instead of surrendering. He could help build a better and more peaceful China. What went wrong? I remembered reading that he received a letter from Cao Cao stating he'll steal his wife for her beauty. The question is, who really send that letter to provoked Zhou Yu before the invasion? As you guys know, Zhou Yu died pretty young from a injured after he went to save a pirate friend. All that could have prevented if Zhou Yu convinced Sun Quan to surrender. His action would save so much lives, end the civil war and make China great again. Anyway, I just wanna share this important info. It's where past government use misinformation to discredit their successor. I love this quote 33:50 ruclips.net/video/Gg1SGA3zYx8/видео.html "Qin Shi Huang was a target of political propaganda created by the Han Dynasty that succeeded his. It purpose was to discredit the Qin Dynasty and by doing so justify and elevated it own existence. All of our sources for Qing Dynasty history come from the subsequent dynasty, the Han dynasty." RotK, while a decent read, basically amounts to Three Kingdoms fanfiction. It was written during the Ming Dynasty, where a revitalization of Han Dynasty ideas and concepts was happening. As such, it is hardly surprising that RotK glorifies all of the "Shu-Han" characters as heroes while denigrating those of Wu and especially Wei. Cao Cao most notably gets an extremely bad rap as he is portrayed as being a devious scheming coward that the author begrudgingly notes was competent and had good retainers. In actuality, the Sanguozhi notes Cao Cao as being "the Great Progenitor" who cared for the common people and was primarily interested in restoring order, while having a ruthless realpolitik streak to him. Liu Bei, far from being portrayed as the hero who fought against overwhelming odds and disastrous fate, is instead ascribed a behavior similar to that of Lu Bu: a brave man with grand ambitions, but was personally a bit of an idiot. And please don't get me started on the historical porn that is RotK's portray of Zhuge Liang. Zhuge Liang is associated with more fictitious stories than anyone in the novel. While Zhuge was a smart man, brilliant politician and able general, he is basically treated like an all-knowing God. For instance, his first accomplishment is setting the trap at the Battle of Bowangpo where he traps Xiahou Dun and Yu Jin in a fire. This was actually Liu Bei's idea in the actual history, Zhuge Liang wasn't even with Liu Bei at the time. Zhuge is especially deified during the Battle of Chibi. Many of the credits given to him were either fake (the arrow gathering, making the wind change obviously) or taken from Zhou Yu. Furthermore, Zhuge Liang's southern campaigns against the Nanman are all made up in order to glorify the genius of Zhuge. The only truth known from these battles is that Zhuge captured Meng Huo 7 times and defeated the southern rebellion. While there are many moments during the Northern Campaign that didn't happen, the most famous would be the Empty City strategy. Zhuge Liang was stationed in a city being marched on by Sima Yi's massive forces. Zhuge had little to no troops, so he ordered the gates open and while he himself wait at the top of the gate. Once Sima Yi saw him, he thought it was a trap and retreated. Don't get Zhuge Liang wrong though, as I said he was a brilliant general and politician. However, the novel over glorifies him. www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/2jv5fp/what_do_we_actually_know_about_lu_bu yeah, i totaly agree with all your standpoints, i have the rotk books. they are great read but it's idd a fictional book. I consider CaoCao the Tru hero who wanted to reform the state and country and make it 'great' again. And yes most stories around Lui Bei are indeed heavy overdone. Lui Bei wasn't a hero. He couldn't do nothing right. His heavy loss where he ended up dying from at Yiling proves that. He had no strategist with him, just blindly attacked the Wu strongpoints and had no real strategy. His 'camping in the forrest' in summer heat proves he was a mediocre statesmen. Also in the book rotk Cao Pi took the empirial throne and forsed the emperor to abdicate, then Xian died. Wich in reality didn't happen, Xian became the Duke of Shanyang and lived a very comfortable life and died 14 years later. -Dante Kenchi And this.. Zhuge Liang was my favorite character when I first saw the show, but as I grow older, I did more reading and research. I'll share my thoughts here. Tell me what yall think. www.quora.com/The-Three-Kingdoms-Period-in-Ancient-China-Why-wasnt-Wei-Yan-listed-as-one-of-the-Five-Tiger-Generals I saw this well-written post regarding why Zhang Liang was being so cruel to Wei Yan because historically, Wei Yan was better than Zhang Liang. The novel, on the other hand, needs to make Wei Yan a scapegoat. To do this, they need a reason to tarnish his reputation and elevate Zhuge Liang by exaggerating his ability. I can confirm the exaggeration of Zhuge Liang by simply looking up the list of fictional events that happen in the novel. Take the empty fort strategy for example, it was originally deployed by Zhao Yun and the author of the novel stole the idea. The three visits never happen but it was the other way around because Zhuge Liang was a nobody that time. I also remember about borrowing arrows with a boat from Cao Cao but it was Sun Quan idea, who discover it by accident while he was on a reconnaissance mission. Wu love their water. Let's get back to Wei Yan on why the novel needs to tarnish his reputation. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Wei Yan never seems to lost a single battle as he campaigns with Zhuge Liang, from quelling the rebellion from the south to campaign against Cao Wei. Zhuge Liang on the other hand, grant Ma Su, an inexperienced bookworm to lead a large army and you probably know how it ends. And guess who send there to save the remaining Ma Su troop? Wei Yan remind me of Han Xin, where he defects from a previous lord that contribute a lot but die horribly. I don't know why, but I feel like Wei Yan death was unjust. The man never lost a battle, yet when the shu send troops to capture him for defying a command secretly order by a dead Zhuge Liang, Wei Yan never resists or kill a single person from shu. On the other hand, the state he serves and contribute his whole life never pardon his family. They just outright kill his whole family. Update: I realize now that the novel exaggerated Zhuge Liang ability. Take a look at the following and you know he's actually an incompetent individual. Take Ma Su for example, Zl assign him to lead a large army and Ma Su lost the battle badly. He suck so hard, he barely kill a single Wei soldier and all because he was being inexperienced. That must took a toll on ZL for making such careless decision. To further show proof that Zhuge Liang was incompetent, his successor Jiang Wei took down Wei Yan double gate defense. He basically letting Dang Ai to enter Shu capital without much resistance. Even in death, Wei Yan help defends Shu. Jiang Wei, on the other hand, makes it easy for the enemy. Traitor? He's not done yet, prior to Shu surrendering, Jiang Wei blunter cause Zhuge Liang only son to be violently killed. Zhuge Liang son was adored in Shu, every time he wore his father robe, he looks like his old man. I bet a lot of rotk fans never heard of ZL son or how he dies right? All they remember is his fictional feats.
- Liu Bei wasn't a powerful warrior but he was a good man, with dignity and honor, in a world where those qualities were actually a liability. That's why he was able to gather the support of many extraordinary heroes!
These character models are taken to the next level! Even characters that appear for no longer than 5-10 seconds get unique images. Spectacular work! This is an excellent summary of the novel thus far, with some excellent bits of humor thrown in there. I never thought of Cao Cao running away often, but... the more the I think about it, yeah that sounds right. I can understand that this series might take longer than most others due to the amount of research, animation, and planning that will go into each one, but it will be all worth the wait.
Whoever you are, you've provided me dinner-time entertainment for the past month or so. I don't really have a lot of spare time after work but I've been fascinated by this period of history. Thank you for putting the effort in to what quite frankly looks like something that should be on Netflix/TV. Absolutely brilliant 不错！
As a dynasty warriors player, I always wanted to get into depth of the story, political drama and action scenes and the discrepancies of this period. I look forward to the next chapters regarding this topic. 👍👍
Nice video. I actually wanna see Cao Cao give Lu Bu a chance. Lu Bu was just unlucky to faced Cao Cao. I gotta give credit for Lu Bu for holding this long against Cao Cao. The only reason he got defeated was because his men betrayed him. And Cao Cao had to resort to using the flood to drown most of Lu Bu troops. Do you remember how the coalition failed to defeat Dong Zhuo? The tyrant. Even Cao Cao failed when he was so close with the 7 stars dagger. Dong Zhuo army was unstoppable. Can you guess who get rid off him? That's right, it was Lu Bu. That was his ultimate blood scheme by killing his adopted father to gain Dong Zhuo trust. Its a pity everyone misunderstood him. For example, When Zhang Fei beat Lu Bu uncle, he forced Lu Bu to rebel. Thinking back, it might be Liu Bei scheme to force Lu Bu to rebel. The scheme was to use Cao Cao to eliminate Lu Bu. Anyway, check out some misunderstood characters in Rotk, especially Lu Bu and Cao Cao . Lu Bu was by all accounts a great archer and horseman-hence the nickname "Flying General." He was originally merely an underling of Ding Yuan, not his adopted son, who he killed before joining Dong Zhuo as his adopted son. Unlike in RotK, there was no "Diaochan" who seduced Lu Bu-rather, Wang Yun, the man who in RotK was Diaochan's father, convinced him to betray and kill Dong Zhuo. He was also then kicked out by other warlords, and eventually ended up swapping back and forth between allying and betraying Liu Bei, Cao Cao, and Yuan Shu. The Sanguozhi (Three Kingdoms History) does testify to the archery incident where Lu Bu shot the spear with his bow. So while he wasn't the one man army that he is commonly portrayed as like in RotK, he was quite the archer. RotK, while a decent read, basically amounts to Three Kingdoms fanfiction. It was written during the Ming Dynasty, where a revitalization of Han Dynasty ideas and concepts was happening. As such, it is hardly surprising that RotK glorifies all of the "Shu-Han" characters as heroes while denigrating those of Wu and especially Wei. Cao Cao most notably gets an extremely bad rap as he is portrayed as being a devious scheming coward that the author begrudgingly notes was competent and had good retainers. In actuality, the Sanguozhi notes Cao Cao as being "the Great Progenitor" who cared for the common people and was primarily interested in restoring order, while having a ruthless realpolitik streak to him. Liu Bei, far from being portrayed as the hero who fought against overwhelming odds and disastrous fate, is instead ascribed a behavior similar to that of Lu Bu: a brave man with grand ambitions, but was personally a bit of an idiot. And please don't get me started on the historical porn that is RotK's portray of Zhuge Liang. Zhuge Liang is associated with more fictitious stories than anyone in the novel. While Zhuge was a smart man, brilliant politician and able general, he is basically treated like an all-knowing God. For instance, his first accomplishment is setting the trap at the Battle of Bowangpo where he traps Xiahou Dun and Yu Jin in a fire. This was actually Liu Bei's idea in the actual history, Zhuge Liang wasn't even with Liu Bei at the time. Zhuge is especially deified during the Battle of Chibi. Many of the credits given to him were either fake (the arrow gathering, making the wind change obviously) or taken from Zhou Yu. Furthermore, Zhuge Liang's southern campaigns against the Nanman are all made up in order to glorify the genius of Zhuge. The only truth known from these battles is that Zhuge captured Meng Huo 7 times and defeated the southern rebellion. While there are many moments during the Northern Campaign that didn't happen, the most famous would be the Empty City strategy. Zhuge Liang was stationed in a city being marched on by Sima Yi's massive forces. Zhuge had little to no troops, so he ordered the gates open and while he himself wait at the top of the gate. Once Sima Yi saw him, he thought it was a trap and retreated. Don't get Zhuge Liang wrong though, as I said he was a brilliant general and politician. However, the novel over glorifies him. -- Do you still remember the famous scene where Lu Bu saving Liu Bei life from an invasion army by using a contest to determine his fate? He fired an arrow and it hit target from far away. That's one of Sun Tzu top strategy. Winning a battle without fighting. A lot of people overlooked that part from Lu Bu. Lu Bu could easily let Liu Bei die and get ride of his future enemy. Why did he save Liu Bei life in your opinion? www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/2jv5fp/what_do_we_actually_know_about_lu_bu/ -- Well put. His rash personality and not listening to advice is his down fall. I still wanna see how he would do under Cao Cao leadership because at one point lu bu wanna surrender to Cao Cao, but Chen going tricked him into fighting , thinking there is a chance he could beat Cao Cao. Lu bu at the time already had a child and he just want to give her a good life. Chen Gong hell bent on killing Cao Cao ruined Lu Bu dream and he nevertm get to use his full potential. Liu bei was there as well and he's scared shitless. He know the consequences if lu bu joined Cao Cao. So he keep reminding lu bu past and lu bu respond by saying how he saved Liu bei life from the Yuan brother. We all know now that Cao Cao regrets not killing Liu bei. The second he left Cao Cao, Liu bei betrayed him and gave Cao Cao a hard time unifying China.
I love your illustration style, and your enthusiasm is wonderful! Definitely subscribing. I think it's be interesting to see a video focused entirely on the differences between Romance of the Three Kingdoms and the historical events. It threw me for a loop when I found out that Liu Bei never even fought against Dong Zhuo, for instance, and that the entire campaign was mostly fought by Sun Jian, or that Zhao Yun was credited with killing Zhu Ran but Zhu Ran actually outlived him by decades.
I keep coming back to this video serires as it's one of the better ones about the era. And I want to be able to actually keep the knowledge in my head. So I keep watching this serires every now and then.
I can't wait to see this. Thank you so much. I'm looking forward to this! Also, afterwards, can you please explain how to obtain the official Chinese records of the period? I would like to know where you get your sources (East Asian history major here).
When you get to explain the actual history of this particular period, I hope you can emphasize the nature of the splitting up of the Alliance. It's very important to understand the initial power struggles at this phase of the era was set between a Yuan Shao-Cao Cao-Liu Biao alliance that ran north-south, which fought against a Gongsun Zhan-Tao Qian-Yuan Shu alliance that sought to envelop the former. Yuan Shao's incursions into Qing province through his son Yuan Tan, was an attempt to sever the connection between Gongsun Zhan and Tao Qian, and it succeeded, isolating Gongsun Zhan behind Yuan territories. Liu Bei, while serving under Gongsun Zhan, was at the heart of that struggle as he was sent to Qing to assist in repelling the Yuan incursions. For some reason none of the English sources or websites or fansites ever seem to mention this.
Crazy that you don't have more subscribers, ordered the romance of the three kingdoms last week so hopefully it will come soon so i can read it! Sorry cant watch this because of that but i atleast liked and commented! You have great content about Chinese history!
Guang yu thought as a ideal warrior in entire east asian history. Though he was not the strongest man but he's faith and loyalty make him the most noble man in warrior.
You're wrong, Cao Cao didn't say that. Creative Assembly did when they abandoned Total War: Three Kingdoms, "I rather betray the fans than let the fans betray me" ~ CA
Leibei's family was poor because his ancestor King Liu Sheng had 200 sons. By Han dynasty law of inheritance at the time, all the sons would divide the land of their father upon his death equally. So that's why they all got poorer and poorer in successive generations. The Ten Eunchs were labelled as evil but really He Jin's side isn't any better. They wanted the power to control the Emperor just as much. In the end, both lost to each other and Dong Zhou picked up the pieces.
Cao Cao! Cao Cao! Cao Cao! Cao Cao!!! Also y'all should really read the entire noval it's amazing thrilling and exciting too. I remember the first time I get to read it when I was grade 4 I started with the battle of Goun du no wonder why I am still a big fan of Cao Cao😂
Diao Chan in dynasty warriors: a girl in love with Lu Bu who cares about her father Diao Chan in romance of the three kingdoms: manipulative, cunning and backstabbing
For those who don’t know how insane it is for Lubu to fight the three heroes, it’s basically the MCU equivalent of fighting Thor, the Hulk, and Hawkeye in close combat.
Liu Bang, the first emperor of the Han dynasty, is not worse than Caesar in virtue. He has achieved many good things to succeed and brought long lasting peace to the people, and has a very heroic open mind, which was shown from his poem.
Cao Cao becomes the dbz abridged krillin in this retelling I see. I love three kingdoms, currently reading the book and almost finished. The only thing that confuses me towards the end are the characters because there are so many that are not well known, they are hard to keep track of.
One of my favorite details in the novel is when they try to hold a funeral for Dong Zhuo, but after burying him the Earth itself shudders and spits him back out. (Someone didn't have the mandate of Heaven, that's for sure! ;->)
That's where I first learned about it. Then I got into the strategy video games, which led to the 1995 TV series, the 2010 TV series, the novel, various movies and RUclips videos.
As someone who owns the old Tuttle version, which is in that unreadable Wades-Giles, and someone who owns the Hanyu Pinyin Moss Roberts one, and someone who has the recent Penguin edition, which is ultra abridged, and someone who has a 100% unabridged one in Traditional Chinese, I can confidently say, it is not too long lol. From the Yellow Turbans, to that failure of a son, Ma Chao, to Cao Cao and his innumerable accomplishments, to Liu Bei being propped up as some paragon he isn't, to Sun Quan just refusing to do anything outside of the Jiangdong and Jiangnan areas, to Jia Chong and Sima Zhao's slaying of the second to last Wei emperor....I pretty much have the book memorized, at least as a list of events. There isn't a single day since I was....like 18, that I didn't read, or think, or say one of the characters. I mean, there is literally a handmade Cao Cao sculpture I made by my bed...ok ok, hold on, I concede, the book is really long. Without the Hanzi, you lose all the idioms, or all the fun parts, like when Sun Quan in 219 urges Cao Cao to take the throne, and Cao Cao says to his men "Sun Quan seeks to put me over the fire!" and it's a double entendre because the Han's element was fire, and to take the throne would be usurpation/treason. Or when Ma Chao is compared to Ying Bu, or Xun Yu compared to Zhang Liang (of Han, not the Yellow Turbans' Zhang Liang), or Dian Wei being called Cao Cao's Elai, you lose those things if you don't have the Hanzi to translate immediately. Sorry, had to be put my...2 cents worth in. Love your videos.
The most iconic part of the book for me was the part were the "Hero" Lu Bei and his band was on the verge of starving but a sympathetic man help them by feeding them his "pigs" and wife... When in reality Lu Bie most likely resorted to cannibalism just to survive.
Being a fan of three kingdom. Sometimes I can’t help but wonder, if cao cao, zhuge Liang, Zhou yu (Wu state) and simayi were living at the same time, who would have been able to outsmart who?
PS thanks for mentioning the book "Water Margin. " I ordered it. Looking forward to reading it. Can you explain the colorful words why the Chinese used unique words to their names.
Bro, i really like your style and your voice haha. Can u do something about the late Qing dynasty, li hong zhang, ci xi, pu yi, opium war and eight allies army invading china? I sure support
There's a myth that Lu bu never lost a one-on-one fight. That doesn't mean he hadn't lost battles, but it simply means nobody could beat him in a fair fight
Novel: "I, Guan Yu, have defeated Hua Xiong!" Real life: "I, Sun Jian, have slain Hua Xiong!" Even the Dynasty Warriors 4 Encyclopedia mentions that historically it was Sun Jian who slew the mid boss.
Any plans to cover minor characters from the Three Kingdom, minor characters who are no less important than the main characters from both the history and novel? I'd like to see more coverage on less-known figures like Prince Liu Chong, Teacher Lu Zhi, the renegade Buddhist warlord Ze Rong, and the Taoist sect master Zhang Lu.
Liu Bei to the 18 Warlords of the Coalition, "We all know that as wide as the entire world is under Heaven...it is far too small for all of you to stand together upon it."
It is kinda hard to talk about the real history of the Three Kingdoms without everyone knowing the content of the novel. So, I have created a summary of the novel first. To bake a cake, I have to plant the wheat first.
The "novel" is a particular form of literature with a particular structure. Despite the claims of people who don't understand literary theory, or have attempted to twist it for political purposes, the first published work that fits the criteria of the novel model is attributed to Daniel Defoe in 1719.
Cao Cao: NTR master. Mengde’s weird fetish strikes again
@@archenema6792 what are those criteria? and why do they exclude not only Japanese and Chinese novels but also "The Ingenious Gentleman Don Quixote" of La Mancha by Miquel the Cervantes from 1605 and 1615?
@@darkfalon7 You expect me to list on a comment page the criteria that it would take a dissertation length book to describe? Lazy Millenials posing as academics are the reason this debate even exists in the first place. I'd say do your own research, but that would be about 5 minutes, and then you'd go back to cat videos and TikTok girls.
@@archenema6792 ok, I only have background in archaeology and philosophy and I've never actually focused on literary theory, so I not familiar with the discussion literary theorist have on the definitions of literary genres, I don't know the names of the authors who write about this problem or the keywords I should use during the search, but as I understand the novel is long form of narrative fiction, that deal with human experiences and is written in prose, but this is something I have been taught in school and that you can also find in wikipedia and as I understand you have something else in mind. Would you mind to reference some works or some authors we can verify your claim.
Also a definition that takes the length of a dissertation defeats the purpose of a definition.
Hey Cao Cao never ran away, he simply advanced towards future victories.
On the next episode I will start a counter on how many times Liu Bei switched sides.
@@CoolHistoryBros that will be very interesting.
@@CoolHistoryBros please do one on how we can improve our self and be like them ie cao cao ambition , integrity,ability to plan and manage
I used to like Liu Bei when I'm young. As I grown older, I realize he was a snake that betrayed more people than Lu Bu.
I feel like the world would be so much better if China was united under Cao Cao banner.
Even the best emperor from Tang praised Cao Cao.
Cao Cao didn't just looked out for his people, he also attracted talents general's, the brains and he wanna get ride of corruption completely. Just like the current president Xi is doing lol.
Here is a sad twisted for Wu best strategist, Zhou Yu.
He resisted Cao Cao invasion instead of surrendering. He could help build a better and more peaceful China.
What went wrong? I remembered reading that he received a letter from Cao Cao stating he'll steal his wife for her beauty.
The question is, who really send that letter to provoked Zhou Yu before the invasion?
As you guys know, Zhou Yu died pretty young from a injured after he went to save a pirate friend.
All that could have prevented if Zhou Yu convinced Sun Quan to surrender.
His action would save so much lives, end the civil war and make China great again.
Anyway, I just wanna share this important info. It's where past government use misinformation to discredit their successor.
I love this quote 33:50
ruclips.net/video/Gg1SGA3zYx8/видео.html
"Qin Shi Huang was a target of political propaganda created by the Han Dynasty that succeeded his.
It purpose was to discredit the Qin Dynasty and by doing so justify and elevated it own existence.
All of our sources for Qing Dynasty history come from the subsequent dynasty, the Han dynasty."
RotK, while a decent read, basically amounts to Three Kingdoms fanfiction. It was written during the Ming Dynasty, where a revitalization of Han Dynasty ideas and concepts was happening. As such, it is hardly surprising that RotK glorifies all of the "Shu-Han" characters as heroes while denigrating those of Wu and especially Wei. Cao Cao most notably gets an extremely bad rap as he is portrayed as being a devious scheming coward that the author begrudgingly notes was competent and had good retainers. In actuality, the Sanguozhi notes Cao Cao as being "the Great Progenitor" who cared for the common people and was primarily interested in restoring order, while having a ruthless realpolitik streak to him. Liu Bei, far from being portrayed as the hero who fought against overwhelming odds and disastrous fate, is instead ascribed a behavior similar to that of Lu Bu: a brave man with grand ambitions, but was personally a bit of an idiot. And please don't get me started on the historical porn that is RotK's portray of Zhuge Liang.
Zhuge Liang is associated with more fictitious stories than anyone in the novel. While Zhuge was a smart man, brilliant politician and able general, he is basically treated like an all-knowing God. For instance, his first accomplishment is setting the trap at the Battle of Bowangpo where he traps Xiahou Dun and Yu Jin in a fire. This was actually Liu Bei's idea in the actual history, Zhuge Liang wasn't even with Liu Bei at the time.
Zhuge is especially deified during the Battle of Chibi. Many of the credits given to him were either fake (the arrow gathering, making the wind change obviously) or taken from Zhou Yu.
Furthermore, Zhuge Liang's southern campaigns against the Nanman are all made up in order to glorify the genius of Zhuge. The only truth known from these battles is that Zhuge captured Meng Huo 7 times and defeated the southern rebellion.
While there are many moments during the Northern Campaign that didn't happen, the most famous would be the Empty City strategy. Zhuge Liang was stationed in a city being marched on by Sima Yi's massive forces. Zhuge had little to no troops, so he ordered the gates open and while he himself wait at the top of the gate. Once Sima Yi saw him, he thought it was a trap and retreated.
Don't get Zhuge Liang wrong though, as I said he was a brilliant general and politician. However, the novel over glorifies him.
www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/2jv5fp/what_do_we_actually_know_about_lu_bu
yeah, i totaly agree with all your standpoints, i have the rotk books. they are great read but it's idd a fictional book. I consider CaoCao the Tru hero who wanted to reform the state and country and make it 'great' again. And yes most stories around Lui Bei are indeed heavy overdone.
Lui Bei wasn't a hero. He couldn't do nothing right. His heavy loss where he ended up dying from at Yiling proves that. He had no strategist with him, just blindly attacked the Wu strongpoints and had no real strategy. His 'camping in the forrest' in summer heat proves he was a mediocre statesmen.
Also in the book rotk Cao Pi took the empirial throne and forsed the emperor to abdicate, then Xian died. Wich in reality didn't happen, Xian became the Duke of Shanyang and lived a very comfortable life and died 14 years later.
-Dante Kenchi
And this..
Zhuge Liang was my favorite character when I first saw the show, but as I grow older, I did more reading and research. I'll share my thoughts here. Tell me what yall think.
www.quora.com/The-Three-Kingdoms-Period-in-Ancient-China-Why-wasnt-Wei-Yan-listed-as-one-of-the-Five-Tiger-Generals
I saw this well-written post regarding why Zhang Liang was being so cruel to Wei Yan because historically, Wei Yan was better than Zhang Liang. The novel, on the other hand, needs to make Wei Yan a scapegoat. To do this, they need a reason to tarnish his reputation and elevate Zhuge Liang by exaggerating his ability.
I can confirm the exaggeration of Zhuge Liang by simply looking up the list of fictional events that happen in the novel. Take the empty fort strategy for example, it was originally deployed by Zhao Yun and the author of the novel stole the idea. The three visits never happen but it was the other way around because Zhuge Liang was a nobody that time. I also remember about borrowing arrows with a boat from Cao Cao but it was Sun Quan idea, who discover it by accident while he was on a reconnaissance mission. Wu love their water.
Let's get back to Wei Yan on why the novel needs to tarnish his reputation.
Please correct me if I'm wrong. Wei Yan never seems to lost a single battle as he campaigns with Zhuge Liang, from quelling the rebellion from the south to campaign against Cao Wei.
Zhuge Liang on the other hand, grant Ma Su, an inexperienced bookworm to lead a large army and you probably know how it ends. And guess who send there to save the remaining Ma Su troop?
Wei Yan remind me of Han Xin, where he defects from a previous lord that contribute a lot but die horribly.
I don't know why, but I feel like Wei Yan death was unjust. The man never lost a battle, yet when the shu send troops to capture him for defying a command secretly order by a dead Zhuge Liang, Wei Yan never resists or kill a single person from shu. On the other hand, the state he serves and contribute his whole life never pardon his family. They just outright kill his whole family.
Update: I realize now that the novel exaggerated Zhuge Liang ability. Take a look at the following and you know he's actually an incompetent individual. Take Ma Su for example, Zl assign him to lead a large army and Ma Su lost the battle badly. He suck so hard, he barely kill a single Wei soldier and all because he was being inexperienced. That must took a toll on ZL for making such careless decision.
To further show proof that Zhuge Liang was incompetent, his successor Jiang Wei took down Wei Yan double gate defense. He basically letting Dang Ai to enter Shu capital without much resistance. Even in death, Wei Yan help defends Shu.
Jiang Wei, on the other hand, makes it easy for the enemy. Traitor? He's not done yet, prior to Shu surrendering, Jiang Wei blunter cause Zhuge Liang only son to be violently killed.
Zhuge Liang son was adored in Shu, every time he wore his father robe, he looks like his old man.
I bet a lot of rotk fans never heard of ZL son or how he dies right? All they remember is his fictional feats.
@@CoolHistoryBros what??? Liu Bei pulled the WW2 Italy many times?!?!?!
Cao Cao isn't Failing.. He's Fleeing with Style!
Cao Cao didn't Run
He knows when to retreat brilliantly.
Tactical Retreat
Never admit your mistakes. Only fix them
Strategic beard cutting.
He didn't run away, he was heading to the another direction xD
Long rants.
I used to like Liu Bei when I'm young. As I grown older, I realize he was a snake that betrayed more people than Lu Bu.
I feel like the world would be so much better if China was united under Cao Cao banner.
Even the best emperor from Tang praised Cao Cao.
Cao Cao didn't just looked out for his people, he also attracted talents general's, the brains and he wanna get ride of corruption completely. Just like the current president Xi is doing lol.
Here is a sad twisted for Wu best strategist, Zhou Yu.
He resisted Cao Cao invasion instead of surrendering. He could help build a better and more peaceful China.
What went wrong? I remembered reading that he received a letter from Cao Cao stating he'll steal his wife for her beauty.
The question is, who really send that letter to provoked Zhou Yu before the invasion?
As you guys know, Zhou Yu died pretty young from a injured after he went to save a pirate friend.
All that could have prevented if Zhou Yu convinced Sun Quan to surrender.
His action would save so much lives, end the civil war and make China great again.
Anyway, I just wanna share this important info. It's where past government use misinformation to discredit their successor.
I love this quote 33:50
ruclips.net/video/Gg1SGA3zYx8/видео.html
"Qin Shi Huang was a target of political propaganda created by the Han Dynasty that succeeded his.
It purpose was to discredit the Qin Dynasty and by doing so justify and elevated it own existence.
All of our sources for Qing Dynasty history come from the subsequent dynasty, the Han dynasty."
RotK, while a decent read, basically amounts to Three Kingdoms fanfiction. It was written during the Ming Dynasty, where a revitalization of Han Dynasty ideas and concepts was happening. As such, it is hardly surprising that RotK glorifies all of the "Shu-Han" characters as heroes while denigrating those of Wu and especially Wei. Cao Cao most notably gets an extremely bad rap as he is portrayed as being a devious scheming coward that the author begrudgingly notes was competent and had good retainers. In actuality, the Sanguozhi notes Cao Cao as being "the Great Progenitor" who cared for the common people and was primarily interested in restoring order, while having a ruthless realpolitik streak to him. Liu Bei, far from being portrayed as the hero who fought against overwhelming odds and disastrous fate, is instead ascribed a behavior similar to that of Lu Bu: a brave man with grand ambitions, but was personally a bit of an idiot. And please don't get me started on the historical porn that is RotK's portray of Zhuge Liang.
Zhuge Liang is associated with more fictitious stories than anyone in the novel. While Zhuge was a smart man, brilliant politician and able general, he is basically treated like an all-knowing God. For instance, his first accomplishment is setting the trap at the Battle of Bowangpo where he traps Xiahou Dun and Yu Jin in a fire. This was actually Liu Bei's idea in the actual history, Zhuge Liang wasn't even with Liu Bei at the time.
Zhuge is especially deified during the Battle of Chibi. Many of the credits given to him were either fake (the arrow gathering, making the wind change obviously) or taken from Zhou Yu.
Furthermore, Zhuge Liang's southern campaigns against the Nanman are all made up in order to glorify the genius of Zhuge. The only truth known from these battles is that Zhuge captured Meng Huo 7 times and defeated the southern rebellion.
While there are many moments during the Northern Campaign that didn't happen, the most famous would be the Empty City strategy. Zhuge Liang was stationed in a city being marched on by Sima Yi's massive forces. Zhuge had little to no troops, so he ordered the gates open and while he himself wait at the top of the gate. Once Sima Yi saw him, he thought it was a trap and retreated.
Don't get Zhuge Liang wrong though, as I said he was a brilliant general and politician. However, the novel over glorifies him.
www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/2jv5fp/what_do_we_actually_know_about_lu_bu
yeah, i totaly agree with all your standpoints, i have the rotk books. they are great read but it's idd a fictional book. I consider CaoCao the Tru hero who wanted to reform the state and country and make it 'great' again. And yes most stories around Lui Bei are indeed heavy overdone.
Lui Bei wasn't a hero. He couldn't do nothing right. His heavy loss where he ended up dying from at Yiling proves that. He had no strategist with him, just blindly attacked the Wu strongpoints and had no real strategy. His 'camping in the forrest' in summer heat proves he was a mediocre statesmen.
Also in the book rotk Cao Pi took the empirial throne and forsed the emperor to abdicate, then Xian died. Wich in reality didn't happen, Xian became the Duke of Shanyang and lived a very comfortable life and died 14 years later.
-Dante Kenchi
And this..
Zhuge Liang was my favorite character when I first saw the show, but as I grow older, I did more reading and research. I'll share my thoughts here. Tell me what yall think.
www.quora.com/The-Three-Kingdoms-Period-in-Ancient-China-Why-wasnt-Wei-Yan-listed-as-one-of-the-Five-Tiger-Generals
I saw this well-written post regarding why Zhang Liang was being so cruel to Wei Yan because historically, Wei Yan was better than Zhang Liang. The novel, on the other hand, needs to make Wei Yan a scapegoat. To do this, they need a reason to tarnish his reputation and elevate Zhuge Liang by exaggerating his ability.
I can confirm the exaggeration of Zhuge Liang by simply looking up the list of fictional events that happen in the novel. Take the empty fort strategy for example, it was originally deployed by Zhao Yun and the author of the novel stole the idea. The three visits never happen but it was the other way around because Zhuge Liang was a nobody that time. I also remember about borrowing arrows with a boat from Cao Cao but it was Sun Quan idea, who discover it by accident while he was on a reconnaissance mission. Wu love their water.
Let's get back to Wei Yan on why the novel needs to tarnish his reputation.
Please correct me if I'm wrong. Wei Yan never seems to lost a single battle as he campaigns with Zhuge Liang, from quelling the rebellion from the south to campaign against Cao Wei.
Zhuge Liang on the other hand, grant Ma Su, an inexperienced bookworm to lead a large army and you probably know how it ends. And guess who send there to save the remaining Ma Su troop?
Wei Yan remind me of Han Xin, where he defects from a previous lord that contribute a lot but die horribly.
I don't know why, but I feel like Wei Yan death was unjust. The man never lost a battle, yet when the shu send troops to capture him for defying a command secretly order by a dead Zhuge Liang, Wei Yan never resists or kill a single person from shu. On the other hand, the state he serves and contribute his whole life never pardon his family. They just outright kill his whole family.
Update: I realize now that the novel exaggerated Zhuge Liang ability. Take a look at the following and you know he's actually an incompetent individual. Take Ma Su for example, Zl assign him to lead a large army and Ma Su lost the battle badly. He suck so hard, he barely kill a single Wei soldier and all because he was being inexperienced. That must took a toll on ZL for making such careless decision.
To further show proof that Zhuge Liang was incompetent, his successor Jiang Wei took down Wei Yan double gate defense. He basically letting Dang Ai to enter Shu capital without much resistance. Even in death, Wei Yan help defends Shu.
Jiang Wei, on the other hand, makes it easy for the enemy. Traitor? He's not done yet, prior to Shu surrendering, Jiang Wei blunter cause Zhuge Liang only son to be violently killed.
Zhuge Liang son was adored in Shu, every time he wore his father robe, he looks like his old man.
I bet a lot of rotk fans never heard of ZL son or how he dies right? All they remember is his fictional feats.
Cao Cao does not run. Cao Cao merely advances in the opposite direction.
thank you for pointing out “温酒斩华雄” (the warm wine anecdote) is actually just ancient Chinese "hol' my beer"
LMAO
As a chinese history enthusiast and Dynasty Warriors player i can safely say that this video made me very happy :)
Where's zhao yun
- Liu Bei wasn't a powerful warrior but he was a good man, with dignity and honor, in a world where those qualities were actually a liability. That's why he was able to gather the support of many extraordinary heroes!
Nah, he used cao cao. Basically the opposite of cao cao was his marketing strategy
Ooh, I watched all 95 episodes of the 2010 adaptation. 95 hours of epicness, heroism, treachery, adventure & fun! Good times!
還我一個太平天下！
These character models are taken to the next level! Even characters that appear for no longer than 5-10 seconds get unique images. Spectacular work!
This is an excellent summary of the novel thus far, with some excellent bits of humor thrown in there. I never thought of Cao Cao running away often, but... the more the I think about it, yeah that sounds right.
I can understand that this series might take longer than most others due to the amount of research, animation, and planning that will go into each one, but it will be all worth the wait.
This is the best summary I have ever seen and I am very happy to not have to watch another 50 episode epic
When Wang Yun's name is supposed to first appear, it shows "Liu Bang, Han Dynasty Founder" instead. Looking forward to the rest of this series
Guan Yu did probably the earliest flex possible in history, win a duel while his wine was still warm👌🏼 classy
Whoever you are, you've provided me dinner-time entertainment for the past month or so. I don't really have a lot of spare time after work but I've been fascinated by this period of history. Thank you for putting the effort in to what quite frankly looks like something that should be on Netflix/TV. Absolutely brilliant
不错！
I watched 2010 adaptation twice in its entirety. It is that good.
English sub version of the entire series is also on RUclips too
As a dynasty warriors player, I always wanted to get into depth of the story, political drama and action scenes and the discrepancies of this period. I look forward to the next chapters regarding this topic. 👍👍
Me too bro👍
What’s Dynasty Warriors?
@@jngo172 a game based off of the story from these three kingdoms. you can play as various generals in the struggles for power
I don't see zhao Yun anywhere. Where's he?
Oh man, this is gonna be great.
And I really really like the character/caricature designs, they look so good, the artstyle has a clear identity too.
Cao Cao really is the NTR Master 9 out of his 12 concubines were the wives of Warlords that he defeated.
Finally, the best historical channel in youtube is now focusing on the best historical romance! Great job broooo
"The earliest hold my beer moment" hahaha 😂
Nice video.
I actually wanna see Cao Cao give Lu Bu a chance.
Lu Bu was just unlucky to faced Cao Cao.
I gotta give credit for Lu Bu for holding this long against Cao Cao.
The only reason he got defeated was because his men betrayed him. And Cao Cao had to resort to using the flood to drown most of Lu Bu troops.
Do you remember how the coalition failed to defeat Dong Zhuo? The tyrant.
Even Cao Cao failed when he was so close with the 7 stars dagger.
Dong Zhuo army was unstoppable.
Can you guess who get rid off him?
That's right, it was Lu Bu.
That was his ultimate blood scheme by killing his adopted father to gain Dong Zhuo trust. Its a pity everyone misunderstood him.
For example, When Zhang Fei beat Lu Bu uncle, he forced Lu Bu to rebel.
Thinking back, it might be Liu Bei scheme to force Lu Bu to rebel. The scheme was to use Cao Cao to eliminate Lu Bu.
Anyway, check out some misunderstood characters in Rotk, especially Lu Bu and Cao Cao .
Lu Bu was by all accounts a great archer and horseman-hence the nickname "Flying General." He was originally merely an underling of Ding Yuan, not his adopted son, who he killed before joining Dong Zhuo as his adopted son. Unlike in RotK, there was no "Diaochan" who seduced Lu Bu-rather, Wang Yun, the man who in RotK was Diaochan's father, convinced him to betray and kill Dong Zhuo. He was also then kicked out by other warlords, and eventually ended up swapping back and forth between allying and betraying Liu Bei, Cao Cao, and Yuan Shu. The Sanguozhi (Three Kingdoms History) does testify to the archery incident where Lu Bu shot the spear with his bow. So while he wasn't the one man army that he is commonly portrayed as like in RotK, he was quite the archer.
RotK, while a decent read, basically amounts to Three Kingdoms fanfiction. It was written during the Ming Dynasty, where a revitalization of Han Dynasty ideas and concepts was happening. As such, it is hardly surprising that RotK glorifies all of the "Shu-Han" characters as heroes while denigrating those of Wu and especially Wei. Cao Cao most notably gets an extremely bad rap as he is portrayed as being a devious scheming coward that the author begrudgingly notes was competent and had good retainers. In actuality, the Sanguozhi notes Cao Cao as being "the Great Progenitor" who cared for the common people and was primarily interested in restoring order, while having a ruthless realpolitik streak to him. Liu Bei, far from being portrayed as the hero who fought against overwhelming odds and disastrous fate, is instead ascribed a behavior similar to that of Lu Bu: a brave man with grand ambitions, but was personally a bit of an idiot. And please don't get me started on the historical porn that is RotK's portray of Zhuge Liang.
Zhuge Liang is associated with more fictitious stories than anyone in the novel. While Zhuge was a smart man, brilliant politician and able general, he is basically treated like an all-knowing God. For instance, his first accomplishment is setting the trap at the Battle of Bowangpo where he traps Xiahou Dun and Yu Jin in a fire. This was actually Liu Bei's idea in the actual history, Zhuge Liang wasn't even with Liu Bei at the time.
Zhuge is especially deified during the Battle of Chibi. Many of the credits given to him were either fake (the arrow gathering, making the wind change obviously) or taken from Zhou Yu.
Furthermore, Zhuge Liang's southern campaigns against the Nanman are all made up in order to glorify the genius of Zhuge. The only truth known from these battles is that Zhuge captured Meng Huo 7 times and defeated the southern rebellion.
While there are many moments during the Northern Campaign that didn't happen, the most famous would be the Empty City strategy. Zhuge Liang was stationed in a city being marched on by Sima Yi's massive forces. Zhuge had little to no troops, so he ordered the gates open and while he himself wait at the top of the gate. Once Sima Yi saw him, he thought it was a trap and retreated.
Don't get Zhuge Liang wrong though, as I said he was a brilliant general and politician. However, the novel over glorifies him.
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Do you still remember the famous scene where Lu Bu saving Liu Bei life from an invasion army by using a contest to determine his fate? He fired an arrow and it hit target from far away.
That's one of Sun Tzu top strategy. Winning a battle without fighting.
A lot of people overlooked that part from Lu Bu.
Lu Bu could easily let Liu Bei die and get ride of his future enemy.
Why did he save Liu Bei life in your opinion?
www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/2jv5fp/what_do_we_actually_know_about_lu_bu/
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Well put.
His rash personality and not listening to advice is his down fall.
I still wanna see how he would do under Cao Cao leadership because at one point lu bu wanna surrender to Cao Cao, but Chen going tricked him into fighting , thinking there is a chance he could beat Cao Cao.
Lu bu at the time already had a child and he just want to give her a good life.
Chen Gong hell bent on killing Cao Cao ruined Lu Bu dream and he nevertm get to use his full potential.
Liu bei was there as well and he's scared shitless. He know the consequences if lu bu joined Cao Cao.
So he keep reminding lu bu past and lu bu respond by saying how he saved Liu bei life from the Yuan brother.
We all know now that Cao Cao regrets not killing Liu bei. The second he left Cao Cao, Liu bei betrayed him and gave Cao Cao a hard time unifying China.
"the earliest hold my beer moments"👍
That had me in stitches. Best line in the episode. 🤣🤣🤣
Very excited for this summary. I guess that speaks to the story as I’ve read it, listened to the entire podcast and am still hype. Also 1st I guess.
All my life I’ve been pronouncing cao cao wrong. Thank you for clearing this up for me
I love your illustration style, and your enthusiasm is wonderful! Definitely subscribing.
I think it's be interesting to see a video focused entirely on the differences between Romance of the Three Kingdoms and the historical events. It threw me for a loop when I found out that Liu Bei never even fought against Dong Zhuo, for instance, and that the entire campaign was mostly fought by Sun Jian, or that Zhao Yun was credited with killing Zhu Ran but Zhu Ran actually outlived him by decades.
the gold-gilded corner on that Imperial Stamp shows such an amazing attention to details of this video, good work sir.
Great pace and presentation. Finally accurate pronunciation of names by an English presenter.
Finally!! Enough of the Tang Dynasty, talk about Liu Bei, Cao Cao, and Sun Quan!!
8:02 small Nitpick, Wang Yun's character card was mislabeled as Liu Bang
I like this CAO CAO fella, I am rooting for him
Cao Cao the NTR Master and Road Runner.
You can never be more accurate than that.
And a king of troll too hahahaha
"hey guys what's up, I see the capital is on fire, also I'm here with my army and I have the emperor with me"
Is that you, oversimplified?
The series of 95 episode was just epic.
Keep up the quality content brudda, rooting for the Jurchen Jin and Khitan Liao in the future, and the famed Iron Pagoda cavalry.
12:00 those 3 generals were the reason why Koei put *that line* in
I keep coming back to this video serires as it's one of the better ones about the era. And I want to be able to actually keep the knowledge in my head. So I keep watching this serires every now and then.
Cao Cao as the NTR Master? Nice historical reference to his fetish there ;)
1:08 Once heard the narrator pronounce the character correctly... thumbs up!!!
Finally, the series we have all been waiting for!
Thanks so much for your detailed and vivid stories for Romance of the Three Kingdoms. I am also a history fan.
I can't wait to see this. Thank you so much. I'm looking forward to this! Also, afterwards, can you please explain how to obtain the official Chinese records of the period? I would like to know where you get your sources (East Asian history major here).
The roster art at the 10th second mark is impressive. I dig it.
Impressed by the lot of work you must put into this.
When you get to explain the actual history of this particular period, I hope you can emphasize the nature of the splitting up of the Alliance. It's very important to understand the initial power struggles at this phase of the era was set between a Yuan Shao-Cao Cao-Liu Biao alliance that ran north-south, which fought against a Gongsun Zhan-Tao Qian-Yuan Shu alliance that sought to envelop the former. Yuan Shao's incursions into Qing province through his son Yuan Tan, was an attempt to sever the connection between Gongsun Zhan and Tao Qian, and it succeeded, isolating Gongsun Zhan behind Yuan territories. Liu Bei, while serving under Gongsun Zhan, was at the heart of that struggle as he was sent to Qing to assist in repelling the Yuan incursions. For some reason none of the English sources or websites or fansites ever seem to mention this.
Finally!!! Milk this series bro!
This is awesome. Thank you for the history lesson with cool graphics.
Crazy that you don't have more subscribers, ordered the romance of the three kingdoms last week so hopefully it will come soon so i can read it! Sorry cant watch this because of that but i atleast liked and commented! You have great content about Chinese history!
This is going to blow up one day!
I'm sure of it!
This is really badass! Thank you for these videos!
Epic read. Look forward to the rest of the series.
Guang yu thought as a ideal warrior in entire east asian history.
Though he was not the strongest man but he's faith and loyalty make him the most noble man in warrior.
“People thinking it’s too long to stay invested in”
Koei Tecmo: allow us to introduce ourselves.
Dude, thanks for this. Huge fan of the DW games, done a fair bit of research, I never get tired of here this story. GoT has got nothing on Rot3K.
I will make the time to learn.
Excellent work here.
You're wrong, Cao Cao didn't say that. Creative Assembly did when they abandoned Total War: Three Kingdoms, "I rather betray the fans than let the fans betray me" ~ CA
How did CA abandon 3k? They released a DLC back in March.
@@ICityCatI Oh boy, how do I break this to you. They announced in back on the 27th of May.
@@ICityCatI they said "you know how we're making a three kingdoms game? How about we drop it before we actually adopt the three kingdoms?"
Your last ironic message is even cooler than the ancient one.
Cao Cao famous lines "I would rather betray the world then let the world betray me" sounds familiar I wonder where😅🤔🧐
All these story I known all ... these is my best history novel for me
Leibei's family was poor because his ancestor King Liu Sheng had 200 sons. By Han dynasty law of inheritance at the time, all the sons would divide the land of their father upon his death equally. So that's why they all got poorer and poorer in successive generations.
The Ten Eunchs were labelled as evil but really He Jin's side isn't any better. They wanted the power to control the Emperor just as much. In the end, both lost to each other and Dong Zhou picked up the pieces.
Very nice illustration.
The artstyle of this video is majestic 🔥
Cao Cao! Cao Cao! Cao Cao! Cao Cao!!!
Also y'all should really read the entire noval it's amazing thrilling and exciting too. I remember the first time I get to read it when I was grade 4 I started with the battle of Goun du no wonder why I am still a big fan of Cao Cao😂
Diao Chan in dynasty warriors: a girl in love with Lu Bu who cares about her father
Diao Chan in romance of the three kingdoms: manipulative, cunning and backstabbing
For those who don’t know how insane it is for Lubu to fight the three heroes, it’s basically the MCU equivalent of fighting Thor, the Hulk, and Hawkeye in close combat.
Liu Bang, the first emperor of the Han dynasty, is not worse than Caesar in virtue. He has achieved many good things to succeed and brought long lasting peace to the people, and has a very heroic open mind, which was shown from his poem.
10:07 - A really well placed thunder and lighting.
Cao Cao becomes the dbz abridged krillin in this retelling I see. I love three kingdoms, currently reading the book and almost finished. The only thing that confuses me towards the end are the characters because there are so many that are not well known, they are hard to keep track of.
One of my favorite details in the novel is when they try to hold a funeral for Dong Zhuo, but after burying him the Earth itself shudders and spits him back out. (Someone didn't have the mandate of Heaven, that's for sure! ;->)
I heard his body burned for three days in the street because it was so fat and oily.
Exciting, can't wait for you to cover the war of the 8 princes, such an intriguing period of time
I read the whole story while i was in middle school. Granted I grew up on rot3k 1 2 3 and 4. So I already had interest
I see how you illustrate the Heirloom Seal Of the Realm with a chip on the bottom left covered with gold. Thats very detail well done 👍🏼
Your video are informative and fun! Thanks for making them.
Cao Cao was a master of Negative Jing!
Your Momoness!!!!!
I learned everything I know about this saga from video games! (Beginning with Destiny of an Emperor NES)
No!
That's where I first learned about it. Then I got into the strategy video games, which led to the 1995 TV series, the 2010 TV series, the novel, various movies and RUclips videos.
I like that you used the same colours from dynasty warriors for wei, shu, wu and jin.
In Farce of the Three Kingdoms, each time Cao Cao ran, yakety sax played.
In the Thai version, it was translated as ‘seven jewel sword 🗡’
In the Viet version, we stilk translate like Seven star sword
Thất = 7(actually Bảy), Tinh = Star(actually Sao), Đao = Sword
As someone who owns the old Tuttle version, which is in that unreadable Wades-Giles, and someone who owns the Hanyu Pinyin Moss Roberts one, and someone who has the recent Penguin edition, which is ultra abridged, and someone who has a 100% unabridged one in Traditional Chinese, I can confidently say, it is not too long lol. From the Yellow Turbans, to that failure of a son, Ma Chao, to Cao Cao and his innumerable accomplishments, to Liu Bei being propped up as some paragon he isn't, to Sun Quan just refusing to do anything outside of the Jiangdong and Jiangnan areas, to Jia Chong and Sima Zhao's slaying of the second to last Wei emperor....I pretty much have the book memorized, at least as a list of events. There isn't a single day since I was....like 18, that I didn't read, or think, or say one of the characters. I mean, there is literally a handmade Cao Cao sculpture I made by my bed...ok ok, hold on, I concede, the book is really long.
Without the Hanzi, you lose all the idioms, or all the fun parts, like when Sun Quan in 219 urges Cao Cao to take the throne, and Cao Cao says to his men "Sun Quan seeks to put me over the fire!" and it's a double entendre because the Han's element was fire, and to take the throne would be usurpation/treason. Or when Ma Chao is compared to Ying Bu, or Xun Yu compared to Zhang Liang (of Han, not the Yellow Turbans' Zhang Liang), or Dian Wei being called Cao Cao's Elai, you lose those things if you don't have the Hanzi to translate immediately.
Sorry, had to be put my...2 cents worth in. Love your videos.
The most iconic part of the book for me was the part were the "Hero" Lu Bei and his band was on the verge of starving but a sympathetic man help them by feeding them his "pigs" and wife... When in reality Lu Bie most likely resorted to cannibalism just to survive.
Let me clear your mind, no such event, even similar occurred in history. Cheng Yu, one of Cao Cao's main advisors however...
@@HighPriestFuneral that also didn't occur, the xinyou isn't reliable
That's purely Romance
Being a fan of three kingdom. Sometimes I can’t help but wonder, if cao cao, zhuge Liang, Zhou yu (Wu state) and simayi were living at the same time, who would have been able to outsmart who?
Amazing videos, thank you...
PS thanks for mentioning the book "Water Margin. "
I ordered it.
Looking forward to reading it.
Can you explain the colorful words why the Chinese used unique words to their names.
Great story , thank u . Such a interesting story .
Do you know Caocao was the greatest writer and poet at that time?
Wut the fuuuuuuuuk???
Lesson from this first part: if you have a problem, raise an army.
Hey CJ! Have you made a video on Mencius yet? That’s something I would want to watch.
I think I should do a whole series on confucianism in the future, because it is actually a pretty broad subject.
@@CoolHistoryBros Please do! Confucianism is something I’ve always wanted to know more about, and I find your videos to be particularly engaging.
Love the videos. But your Dong Zhou portrait is nightmare fuel.
guan yu : hold my tea ? behead the general and return to drink tea which was still warm...
loved the tv show
When Guan Yu takes credit of Sun Jian's killing of Hua Xiong
"even heroes could not overcome the charms of beautiful woman"
Bro, i really like your style and your voice haha. Can u do something about the late Qing dynasty, li hong zhang, ci xi, pu yi, opium war and eight allies army invading china? I sure support
There's a myth that Lu bu never lost a one-on-one fight. That doesn't mean he hadn't lost battles, but it simply means nobody could beat him in a fair fight
太好了！
I didn't arrive early, but word says that Dong Zhuo's body is still burning.
Novel: "I, Guan Yu, have defeated Hua Xiong!"
Real life: "I, Sun Jian, have slain Hua Xiong!"
Even the Dynasty Warriors 4 Encyclopedia mentions that historically it was Sun Jian who slew the mid boss.
Yep. Zhao Yun, styled: Zilong. Inspiration taken from the Novel to Mobile Legends game.
Is it supposed to be zee long or zï long???
Any plans to cover minor characters from the Three Kingdom, minor characters who are no less important than the main characters from both the history and novel? I'd like to see more coverage on less-known figures like Prince Liu Chong, Teacher Lu Zhi, the renegade Buddhist warlord Ze Rong, and the Taoist sect master Zhang Lu.
im actually watching the drama now its pretty good
Liu Bei to the 18 Warlords of the Coalition, "We all know that as wide as the entire world is under Heaven...it is far too small for all of you to stand together upon it."
I been read romance of 3 kingdoms and watched tv drama. So I know the story