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I am praying for them. I am not praying for the world but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours. John 17:9 ESV
@user-sn3fe5,
The world has only 2 kinds of people, the elect and the reprobates.. The entire bible speaks only about these 2 kinds of people.. All that are saved are the elect and all that are not saved are the reprobates...
John 3:16 says: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
This verse reveals that there are only two kinds of people, the elect and the reprobates.. Those whosoever believe in Christ are the elect and are saved.. Those who do not believe in Christ are the reprobates and are not saved..
I have a hard time believing that Jesus died for certain Pharisees whom Jesus said your father is the devil.
I love your work, even though I struggle with this, because of your humility. Gavin Ortlund too.
As someone who was an Arminian and has a lot of friends who disagree with this theology - I think the sheer arrogance and throwing around the word “heretic” or whatever other slander both sides come up with, keep a lot of people from objectively studying both sides.
Humble Calvinism will always win.
@lindsay, The world has only 2 kinds of people, the elect and the reprobates.. The entire bible speaks only about these 2 kinds of people.. All that are saved are the elect and all that are not saved are the reprobates...
John 3:16 says: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
This verse reveals that there are only two kinds of people, the elect and the reprobates.. Those whosoever believe in Christ are the elect and are saved.. Those who do not believe in Christ are the reprobates and are not saved..
Everything destroys Calvinism….. when you want it to.
Best thing that ever happened to me after being saved was having my anti-Calvinist lenses fall off.
Who were the elect?
Matthew 24
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: *_but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened_*
Revelation 21
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, *_Behold, I make all things new._* And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. *_I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely._*
I can relate! Like being born again all over again! Realizing our only response is humility for God doing the saving while we did the sinning. 🙏
Friend, You weren't reading your Bible and accidentally discovered Calvinism. What happened is your mind got poisoned by Calvinist false teachers, and now you're a Calvinist Zombie. You're a Calvinist because you've been fooled by Calvinist false teachers just as I was
Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits
Matthew 7:15
For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.
2 Corinthians 11:13-15
But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed.
2 Peter 2:1-2
See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.
Colossians 2:8
Funny thing about Calvinists, the one thing that seems to override predestination and for sure send you to hell is denying Calvinism.
@@wjckc79 yeah… no one is arguing that. Literally no one.
Jesus Himself revealed that there are only two(2) kinds of people in the world, The elect and the reprobates.. The elect are literally the children of God and the reprobates are literally the children of the devil..
Example of the children of the devil can be found in John 8:44
where Jesus said:
"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."
Example of the children of God
can be found in Romans 8:14
where it says: "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God."
and also in Psalm 82:6
So do Calvinists use John 3:16 when evangelizing? How can a Calvinist in good conscience tell a stranger "Jesus died for you." when they don't know if that person is part of the Elect?
Answer: they DONT tell them! On his radio broadcast a few years ago,I heard RC Sproul say: " if someone came up to me and said:" Dr Sproul did Christ die for me?" I would Answer I DONT KNOW,....I HOPE SO."
The world means the kosmos, not everyone in the world, when we know that Christ died to bear the sins of his chosen people.
Psalm 5.5 KJV
"The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity."
To say God loves everybody is blasphemy as it amounts to stating God loves sin.
To say God loves everybody is to deny the doctrine of Hell.
To say God loves everybody is to deny the purpose of the atonement of our Lord Jesus Christ.
To say God loves everybody makes one a Universalist.
To say God loves everybody is to reject the teaching of Holy Scripture.
To say God loves everybody makes God a liar.
To say God loves everybody is to worship a false god.
@graham, The world has only 2 kinds of people, the elect and the reprobates.. The entire bible speaks only about these 2 kinds of people.. All that are saved are the elect and all that are not saved are the reprobates...
John 3:16 says: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
This verse reveals that there are only two kinds of people, the elect and the reprobates.. Those whosoever believe in Christ are the elect and are saved.. Those who do not believe in Christ are the reprobates and are not saved..
Whosoever is the Ones God has chosen before the foundations of the world. The whosoever believes constitutes those who believe and there is only certain ones who will believe. So who so ever believes are the Elect of God
The Taco Bell analogy really spoke to me.
:)
Even if the word "whosoever" were in the text, it would still say nothing about the origin of belief. If I said to the people in my office, "Whosoever has blond hair can have a donut," then some of my office mates would not get a donut.
Absolutely
Calvinism, doctrine of Election and predestination.
"It means you are offering a hair salon and your office mates can change their hair color to blond" - probably an Arminian
@@trappedcat3615 that is heresy and false teaching the Bible doesn’t teach that, sorry man you can’t take one verse and make doctrine out of it,
@@ThemantleofElijah My comment is satire. I'm not an Arminian 😉
Pastor Matt, thanks. I was raised in an Wesleyan Arminian denomination, but at some point made a decision to leave that denomination because of questions in my heart concerning God's love for me as Calvinists believe. The denomination believes one can fall from grace and lose one's salvation and standing in Christ. However, no one could ever explain to me when such a fall might take place, that is how many sins and errors must be present in my life before sliding away from Christ's redemption for me. Thanks.
@brucebailey1371,
The world has only 2 kinds of people, the elect and the reprobates.. The entire bible speaks only about these 2 kinds of people.. All that are saved are the elect and all that are not saved are the reprobates...
John 3:16 says: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
This verse reveals that there are only two kinds of people, the elect and the reprobates.. Those whosoever believe in Christ are the elect and are saved.. Those who do not believe in Christ are the reprobates and are not saved..
There is no number, it is according to conscience. A person would know that they had rejected Christ. Read Ezekiel 18 and Ezekiel 33:12-20.
@@brucebailey1371 , Once you are truly saved you cannot lost your salvation because you are already secured in Jesus.. Once you are saved, Jesus is already in you and He will never leave you..
In the end it is said that many will fall away from the faith. So for me the question is do you still have faith in Jesus and is your heart true.
Arminians and Leighton Flowers, John chapter 3 says "ye must be born again to see the Kingdom of God" you cannot choose to be born again it is an act of God. The flesh profits nothing, those who are in the flesh cannot please God so how can you say you are born again after faith, that is absurd. John 6:65 "No man can come to me unless it has been granted of my Father" silly Arminian, Jesus is for the elect!
Only if you don’t understand what words mean and impose your own bias onto the text.
God can save anyone that he pleases. It's not a democracy. God is a sovereign king who does what he pleases - because none are worthy.
@timothykeith1367 "God can save anyone that he pleases."
Nobody is arguing that.
@@Packhorse-bh8qn
And He can rejecting also anyone as He pleases.
Nobody can arguing against that also.
So what is the verdict?
I agree. But I am not a Calvinist
@@nonconformist4802, The verdict is: it should be reject instead of rejecting, and it should be argue instead of arguing...
@@reynaldodavid2913Jo
Thank you,
I am not English speaking, but at least you get the message and you can't refute it.
Greetings from Newport Richey, FL Deeply enjoy your content. I’m not reformed however love watching your channel and questioning/researching my beliefs.
I used to think that, until you see that "all" does not mean all mankind but those who believe, and only those who believe
I have no idea why people seem confused on this. To me, it just seems like basic reading comprehension. It's like the examples he gave. If I'm with a bunch of coworkers/friends at work and I say, "Whoever wants to go get ice cream at lunch time, let me know", do I mean the entire company? Of course not. I mean "whoever" within the limited context of those friends/coworkers. Everyone hearing me would also understand that. Maybe I'm just slow, but I don't get half these debates that go on when it comes to this topic.
Yet the word world their means the entirety of existence itself so it still is problematic for the calvanist though i am one
@@joshuascott3428 Cosmos? The passage speaks of the way God loves the world, which includes eternal live for believers (v.16) and already condemned unbelievers (v.18). The way I see most non-Calvinists try to use verse 16 in arguments with Calvinists doesn't allow for an already condemned people in verse 18. Rather they put condemnation later if you reject Jesus rather than have Jesus as a savior for the condemned, making even verse 17 awkward.
But all can believe
@@plumber1874 wrote: "But all can believe"
_“And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.”_ (Hebrews 11:6)
_“For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God’s law; indeed, it cannot. Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.”_ (Romans 8:7-8)
I've never understood this endless debate. I didn't even realize it was such a huge thing until the internet came along! God knows the elect. We don't. So we give the gospel to everyone and let God do His thing. The end.
Edit: The disturbing thing is that while the "Calvinism" side is generally gracious to the "Arminian" side, the reverse is SO not true. Again, I had no idea, until I got online. Wow. The nastiness I've seen spewed from professing Christians on this issue has been shocking.
Endless debate on this and a myriad of other issues, some of then being critical doctrines. Maybe the holy spirit wasn't clear on what he wanted writen down or the writers didn't hear him correctly... or....😂
Define 'generally'? No need to notch that arrow. Outside observers see the harshness from both "sides" of that debate.
One side is defending the universal love of God the other side is defending a man made systematic
John Wesley, the arch Arminian, was really nasty toward George Whitfield.
@plumber1874 where is this universal love of God shown biblically? I just don't recall the love of God toward the heathen such as the Egyptians, the Philistines, the Amorites, Edomites, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, or Romans. And especially not for the Jews of the Pharisees and Saddusees. Jesus had choice words for them - you are of your father the devil, you brood of vipers, you are not of my flock. I'm not seeing the love ooozing out of that.
Pastor, you make an excellent point about John 3:16 in this video.
I would go so far as to say that MORE are Elect under the Reformed system than the Arminian system. Why do I say this? Certainly, the 3rd point of the Tulip is normally called Limited Atonement. I like Particular Atonement better because the word "limited" tends to be taken to mean "few".
Certainly, Jesus Christ said, " Many are called but few are Chosen". I think that saying might have been meant for 1st Century Jews. Yet, Paul states that Christ died for the many. The Apocalypse says a number no man can count are saved during the Great Tribulation, which I read through through an Amillennial Eschatology.
So, The Atonement is for a Particular group of men, but not for all men. That Particular group, the Elect, might be a large number.
Thus, I believe that, since God is doing the electing, more Persevere to the end in the Reformed system.
Am I suggesting a heresy? I hope not.
Matthew 20:28 . He gave his life as a ransom for many. Not (whosoever) .also wouldn’t gave his life as a ransom imply past tense, and Christ would need to know who is ransomed?.
In fact John 3:16 support Calvinism about the elect and the reprobates.. Listen to John 3:16 carefully..
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
NOTE: There are only two groups of peoole in this verse: "Those whosoever believe" and "Those who do not believe"
The 1st one is the elect(the believers)
The 2nd one is the reprobates(the unbelievers)
In fact Jesus Himself revealed that there are only two(2) kinds of people in the world, The elect and the reprobates.. The elect are literally the children of God and the reprobates are literally the children of the devil..
Example of the children of the devil can be found in John 8:44
Example of the children of God can be found in Romans 8:14 and
Psalm 82:6
John 3:16 the believer is one who has been born of the water and the Spirit, John 3:5. Also tell us, is it a dead faith? or an obedient faith? In John 3:20 it says, " For every one who does evil hates the light, and does not come to the light.....but he WHO DOES WHAT IS TRUE COMES TO THE LIGHT....and in v36 we see that the words "believe" and "obey" are used interchangeable. " believes in the Son....does not obey the Son..."
We are saved by faith, an obedient faith, not a dead faith and we become children of God by faith when we are baptized into Christ, Gal 3:26-27. Lastly, Jesus said in Luke 24:47 " Repentance and remission of sins to be preached in his name would begin in Jerusalem" this happens in Acts 2. When they asked Peter "what must we do?" Peter said, " Repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the forgiveness of your sins", and it says that when they did so, the Lord added them to the saved, v41 & v47
There’s a few issues with this. Greek language, especially Ancient Greek language is quite often circular in its meaning, particularly the book of John.
Ie John is famous for saying the same thing multiple ways. Whether the text is read as “all the believing ones” or “whoever believes” in context, it’s the same thing. Ie believing is the focus and on who? The Son.
In no way can a Calvinist say “see that means the elect” because it doesn’t mean that. In this verse the context of “world” is most definitely Kosmos, which is universe, collectively everything or all. Ie it has universal intent.
Based on this, it makes more sense that the context of “whosoever” is meant as “whoever believes, Ie those that believe”.
I might add the verse doesn’t say where the origin of the belief is. Once again the context particularly with preceding verses and the book of John in general, suggests “we, you, all”, can believe.
To be honest the verse doesn’t definitely support either view, but the context of the whole book of John suggests we all have a choice and can believe, and the Gospel intrinsically has universal intent.
If you actually knew the Bible you would simply read verse 36, discussion over, full stop, sayonara. For the extra stubborn James 2.
I’d challenge the Arminians ability to know anything at all.
The precondition to knowledge and wisdom is the fear of God (Proverbs 1:7, 9:10).
The precondition to fearing God is that God predestined all things, no one can add to nor subtract from what God has done, so that men should fear God (Ecclesiastes 3:14).
The Arminian will then say, but I do know things, and I’ll say, that’s exactly my point, if what you say is true about free will then you couldn’t know anything at all, but you know things because what you say about free will isn’t true. Basically you’re dirty little secret is out, you do believe in predestination but you don’t believe that you believe in predestination because you are suppressing the truth in unrighteousness. You are in contact with the truth about predestination even when you supress the truth about it.
The Arminian foundation stands upon a beginning of no knowledge and no wisdom.
The Calvinist foundation has the necessary preconditions of intelligibility of knowledge and wisdom, because predestination precedes fear of God, and fear of God precedes knowledge and wisdom.
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I had a wonderful Sunday school teacher years ago who gave us a great lesson about why the word "adoption" might be the most beautiful word in our English translations. I'll always remember that even though I'm at a different church now.
The whosoever does not talk about the ability to come only that those who come will not be rejected.
I also think that you have to consider this in the context of John 316 and John three 1415 he makes reference to the issue of the snake on the cross so you have to consider what Jesus is actually saying there and what are you saying there is to make it short to be saved, the Israelites had to believe the word of God through the prophet and look to the snake on the cross. Jesus said that he had to become like that snake he had to be raised up on the cross so he had to become sin for us in order that all who believe could be saved and so we have to, so that gives us a gives us a universal context that anyone who believes can be saved.
God everlasting love for His people was demonstrated in all its glory on the cross, when Christ 'was made sin' for us ; Him who knew no sin, that they would be clothed in His spotless robe of perfection.
That great weight of sin was put behind God's back when Christ died in the chosen race's place. Christ justified/reconciled all for whom He died for at Calvary ; one is only justified by Holy, Pure, and Deified blood, without which you will perish in your sin.
Every conditionalist - those who make salvation a work of both God & man - are explicitly denying the efficacy of the atonement and it's very purpose. They are blinded by the god of this world and only a miracle of grace will save them.
The whosoevers ARE the elect.
The elect will believe!
The elect are the sheep.
The elect are chosen.
Thank you for sharing this video!
The whosoevers are defined in the text as "those that believe" (aka a choice to believe or not)
God doesn't make people for the purpose of condemning them. As John 3:16-18 show.
All are CALLED to make the choice, they're not selected.
@@ozrithclay6921 You are reading in a lot of things that are not in those verses, like man's choice, and ignoring and flatly contradicting what John does say about where belief comes from, namely that it is the work of God. It is as the Spirit moves earlier in the chapter. It is the work of God in chapter 6, and by God's will, not man's will in the very first chapter.
@oracleoftroy
I'm just reading the text for what it says.
Simple reason stands against this "the elect" belief.
To believe salvation is predetermined, is to believe God creates people to go to hell without a chance at salvation.
(To believe God is himself, evil)
@oracleoftroy
And also predestination ignores 2 key verses that say God's desire is that no one is lost.
@@ozrithclay6921Precisely what I thought: instead of humbling yourself before God's Word which clearly teaches election and predestination from Genesis to Revelation, you use our puny and flawed human reason to decide how God should act to be fair.
“All the ones believing” there is no way out of that. It doesn’t not say “whosoever”
As I heard from the recent John 6 debate between Leighton Flowers and James White, a good Pelagian/Arminian will simply insert any missing words into the reading so as to make his the correct (in his view) reading. In that debate, reading John 3:16, Leighton literally, not a joke, added, God so loved the world "and everyone in it" twice. Because he knows that's not what it says but he needed it to say that to make his point, so he simply added it. Shameful! But then he accused James of presupposing a Calvinist reading of the text as it's written.
@@blchamblisscscp8476 exactly
All the ones believing still refutes Calvinism because scripture clearly teaches that one can fall away from belief. Luke 8:13, 1 Timothy 5:11-12.
@@christsavesreadromans1096 those are probably the worst verses you could have used to prove your point. You aren’t even using those scriptures in context. Here’s an explicit one for you that I’m sure you refuse to believe.
“I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.” -Jesus
@@roberttrevino62800 Jesus made that promise to the sheep, who are said to follow him and hear his voice. If you left the faith you’d no longer fit the criteria for being a sheep, and thus the promise would no longer apply to you. Nice try though. Why don’t you actually go through the verses I gave and explain why my interpretation is incorrect, instead of hand-waving them away.
*Luke 8:13* “And the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear the word, receive it with joy. But these have no root; they believe for a while, and in time of testing fall away.”
So inasmuch as faith *alone* saves, this person was saved as it says they both received the word [gospel] with joy *and believed.* It then says this person fell away. To fall away from something denotes a change in state, they went from a believer to a nonbeliever, from saved to unsaved.
That is a clear and simple refutation to perseverance of the saints.
That verse per se doesn’t prove or disprove Calvinism. The rest of the Bible does.
Nice video, you should go over what does it mean to say 'God loses the world' and how does that fit into the Calvinist view on election
Who are saved according to John (using your translation)? "All who believe"
Wait, "all who believe" is still the people making a CHOICE. It doesn't say "all who are chosen"
Also a counterpoint to your 2nd example, is it not in the bible that God doesn't want any to be lost?
Side note, I agree 100% the scriptures don't contradict one another. But our interpretations of those scriptures easily contradict one another unless you have the correct interpretation.
“All who believe” is an indicative. It tells you what they are. It’s not an imperative, what they do, or in this case what they CAN do. The Bible is clear that no one can believe unless God first gives them faith as a gift (Rom. 8:5-8, Eph. 2:8-9). In Acts 11:18, they recognize that God is the one who gave repentance.
Acts 13:48 notes the ones who believe; it’s the ones appointed to life.
@@ozrithclay6921 Supporting the other comment, but sticking to just John as your OP mentions, who are those that come to believe? It is not by the will of man per chapter 1, and it is the work of God, not man, that we believe per chapter 6: 29. You are looking at an effect and assuming man did it instead of properly crediting God for belief as John does.
So explain why Jesus is needed at all?
Explain why bother preaching the gospel?
Jesus called sinners to repentance, how can that be if you're simply "elected"?
And lastly, Isreal as a nation was called "the elect", how does that work with this strange (and man made) belief?
@TheCheeseNinja55
"All who believe are saved" simply means those who do not believe are unsaved."
(Exactly as the text says)
It doesn't say, "He gave his son that he selects who he wants to save."
You're reading into the text what you want to hear to back up your tradition.
Verse 8 also clearly signifies that it is the Spirit that blows wherever *He* wants, and that one becomes born from above through the indwelling of that same Spirit. If it was out free will that makes us become born from above, then it is not He but us that determine where the Spirit blows.
I'm not a Calvinist, but I am very tired of Arminians:
A) Attacking 'Calvinist' straw men.
B) Not making any honest attempt to understand Calvinism.
C) Being nasty, disrespectful, and imputing evil motives to their Calvinist brethren.
D) Refusing to acknowledge Calvinists as brethren.
E) Calling Calvinism heresy.
F} Using bad arguments.
BTW, I have seen the same from Calvinists, but not *_nearly_* to the extent I have seen it from Arminians.
On another note, I don't think we need Greek to refute the Arminian argument on this point. Let's agree that it says, "whosoever". But you can't stop there. The very next word is, "believeth". So the Calvinist response is, "So who are those who will believe?"
And that takes us back to the central question.
No points for Arminius on this one! Bad arguments are bad arguments, folks. No matter whether they are in support of truth OR error.
_"BTW, I have seen the same from Calvinists, but not nearly to the extent I have seen it from Arminians."_
I am a Calvinist, and I fully agree with your post, and especially this part. I don't like when Calvinists strawman or make bad arguments or just get nasty without provocation either. I think we can do better.
But it is encouraging to hear this from your perspective. I've wondered how long some of these anti-Calvinist ministries can continue. Most Calvinists I encounter started out in very anti-Calvinist churches and were so devastated and jaded when they learned what Calvinists actually confess and realize there former church was lying to them. I'm sure we don't always represent the other side accurately to our shame, but too many non-Calvinists I've interacted with won't even accept correction when given. They just insist on their lies even in the face of our centuries old confessions saying otherwise.
I say this as someone who love hearing good arguments against my position. I don't willingly believe something I think is wrong. I think Reformed Christianity gets scripture right. But one of the things we believe is that we are all sinners and so we get things wrong. If Calvinism really is the error people claim, then they ought to take greater care to understand the system as taught and carefully walk through scripture, following along with the argument it makes, and show how our confession is contrary to its teaching. No one does that these days, and it is sad. People in the past could do that, but now we just use "heretic" as if it means "I disagree".
John 3:3 ; "You must be BORN AGAIN to see" ; meaninng you're DEAD, meaning you're BLIND.. 3:16.."God gave His only Son so that all the believing ones "Pas ho pisteuon" "everyone believing" ; YES ; the group, identified by believing ; Glorifying The Father's choice, in giving them to Yeshua.. 3:37 : All that The Father Gives Me, will "believe," or come to me.. Believing is the same metaphor for coming.. 6:35 : If you come to Me you'll never hunger.. If you believe in Me you'll never thirst.. Coming is believing ; and it's been established that "no man can come to (believe in) Me, except The Father which sent Me draw (DRAG) him" ; this from DEATH, validating the fact that only by being BORN again, you see, or come, or believe.. Therefore, 3:16 "whosoever believeth, is an activated, DRAGGED group.. Otherwise, no one is able, AT ALL ; YES ; except it (ABILITY / LIFE) be Given him of My Father.. 6.65
Excellent commentary for this verse.
I’m not reformed in soteriology, but I must say, I always found the John 3:16 objection to be founded on a misunderstanding of Calvinism, even if whosoever was the right translation
Agreed. And I think "whosoever" is a perfectly fine word to use, if dated, but the people who treat it as if it is some 10,000 page thesis on human free will that happens to exactly match their personal theory just look silly.
John 3: 16 is such a neutral verse that it is surprising people cite it like it says anything at all that Calvinists would disagree with. All it says is that God loves the world in such a way that believers get eternal life and unbelievers are condemned already (if we read a few more verses).
Thank you so much. People think I'm crazy when I tell them that "whoever" is actually not what John 3:16 says.
Don't try that on a KJVO! The KJV is PERFECT! It corrects the Greek!
@@Packhorse-bh8qn YEAH MON
@@Packhorse-bh8qnKJVonlyism has been thoroughly debunked.
@denniscrumbly,
The world has only 2 kinds of people, the elect and the reprobates.. The entire bible speaks only about these 2 kinds of people.. All that are saved are the elect and all that are not saved are the reprobates...
John 3:16 says: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
This verse reveals that there are only two kinds of people, the elect and the reprobates.. Those whosoever believe in Christ are the elect and are saved.. Those who do not believe in Christ are the reprobates and are not saved..
@@Packhorse-bh8qn,
The world has only 2 kinds of people, the elect and the reprobates.. The entire bible speaks only about these 2 kinds of people.. All that are saved are the elect and all that are not saved are the reprobates...
John 3:16 says: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
This verse reveals that there are only two kinds of people, the elect and the reprobates.. Those whosoever believe in Christ are the elect and are saved.. Those who do not believe in Christ are the reprobates and are not saved..
John 3:18
There ya go, let’s take 1 Bible verse and make a judgment call… Calvinism is truth
What about we collect all the verses that's related to the subject before we judge anything?
Nice video thanks for making it short
I'm so glad, in God's sovereignty, I found this channel. Born and raised Southern Baptist but the Lord in His graciousness has shown me through the proper reading of scripture the doctrines of grace. Have to choose my words carefully around fellow SBs though lol.
Would uou be glad if you were decreed to be condemned before the foundation of the world?
Congratulations on your discovery brother and let me encourage you because I was once Southern Baptist almost 30 years ago now. Find a solid Bible preaching church if you can and no matter what you ultimately decide try not to burn any bridges with your current church since I am sure many of them are true brothers/ sisters in Christ and you may greatly enjoy their fellowship. Pray for them and for yourself and I encourage you to always find solace in the faithfulness of Christ and His finished work on the cross... be always looking unto Jesus as the author and finisher of your faith and may He continue to grow and build your love and faith for Him as He has for me over these many years now. God Bless 😊
If you actually want to enter heaven, become a Catholic. Slim chance if you remain in a man-made faith.
Lol. Seems far fetched to try to change the meaning of a very clear verse. Whoever means whoever. Believes means believes. Everlasting life means everlasting life. Whoever believes in Him has everlasting life. So simple. Didn’t even need a dictionary. Thank God for clear verses!
Yeah, but many anti-calvinists ignore the clear meaning and act as if "whosoever" is some 1000 page thesis on their pet theory of the will and soteriology, and that chapter three begins and ends at verse 16. They don't have a place for people being condemned already a few verses later or the new birth not being as man moves but as the Spirit moves a few verses earlier.
No it doesn't read John 3 18
Don't forget John 3:18.
@fopdoodler9427,
The world has only 2 kinds of people, the elect and the reprobates.. The entire bible speaks only about these 2 kinds of people.. All that are saved are the elect and all that are not saved are the reprobates...
John 3:16 says: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
This verse reveals that that there are only two kinds of people, the elect and the reprobates.. Those whosoever believe in Christ are the elect and are saved.. Those who do not believe in Christ are the reprobates and are not saved..
Getting nerdy in the Greek ❤
I'm lovin' that Greek too! I wish I had the time and resources to study Greek, but I'm thankful for those who do!
@@owlfethurz8377 me too
Just an aside observation.. I grew up in Presbyterian church ages ago. through college and now I attend megachurch evangelical non-denominational church. ?I think I figured it out.?! Presbyterian churches' sermons tend to begin or be viewed with the New testament as a basis. Whereas evangelical churches tend to begin and base their sermons on the Old testament (incl. the one I attend). An exception seems to be John Piper . Not sure, but I think that's why evangelical churches are mostly dispensational and Presbyterians are amillennial.
I super appreciate yours and New Avenue Church (youtube chanel) for keeping me true to the Bible. Still searching looking for a biblically centered diverse (Presbyterian) church in Northern Virginia.
Where in Northern VA do you live? There are some solid PCA and OPC churches there.
So how did John 3:16 destroys Calvinism?
READ IT!!!
@@Steve-og4ii, I read it, It did not destroy Calvinism but support Calvinism..
@@reynaldodavid2913Jo only if you read it through the dead eyes of John Calvin! " there are none so blind,as those who WILL not see".
@@Steve-og4ii, I don't know John Calvin neither you, Will you introduce yourself and give me your curriculum vitae?
Just a sampling.
Ezekiel 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
Isaiah 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
Isaiah 55:1 Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.
Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
John 4:41-42 And many more believed because of his own word; and said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.
1 Timothy 2:3-6 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2 Corinthians 5:14-15 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: and that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
1 John 2:1-2 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
you do realise a Calvinist can do the same thing with a bunch of verses both sides have strong arguments with plenty of scripture
Picking one verse, 1 John 2: 2 what exactly is a "propitiation for sins"? What does it do? What does it mean for the unsaved?
It seems to me that you either have to claim all are saved (universalism heresy), or you have to limit it in some way like the Calvinist does. If you do limit it, it isn't clear how your view is different from a Calvinist version. Or you have to say that all people are propitiated and thus legally innocent in God's eyes, but he throws innocent people into hell for not believing that he will save them. But maybe you can explain it and show me a way that avoids the errors and truly is distinct from Calvinism.
A lot of your other verses are rather unclear as to what exactly you think they say that Calvinists would be opposed to. I assume you are assuming a framework contrary to Calvinism on top of those verses and not just letting the verse itself stand alone. Maybe you are assuming Calvinism denies free will even though every Calvinist confession affirms it. Maybe you aren't reading the verse very carefully and miss important details (your inclusion of Mt 23: 37 makes me think this). In several cases, just reading the chapter shows a very different intent behind the words that is actually quite in line with Calvinism. I don't think treating scripture as a "choose your own theology" buffet is a good approach.
“Choose you this day” - Joshua 24:15
“Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained” (Acts 17:30).
@@bobcollier4540 Are you putting those verses together to rebuke people who spread the falsehood that Calvinists don't think people make real choices? Many people hear some anti-calvinist claim things about Calvinism, but never bother to read our own confessions directly.
@@oracleoftroy No one was rebuked, dear Calvinist. I cannot find John Calvin in the Bible, so why should I entertain his doctrine? Why should I engage in the Corinthian debate - I of Paul, I of Cephas?
If your Calvinistic God chooses arbitrarily who goes to heaven or hell, then he is not the God of the Bible. Will Hell be packed with aborted babies or miscarried babies because God simply did not choose them to be elect? They committed no sin yet they are condemned to eternal damnation.
I am a Christian, and only a Christian. So use your confessions, I confess Christ as King.
John 3:16 should not be taken alone with out John 3:17.
Or verse 18 for that matter. Really the whole chapter refutes the way many try to read it when attempting to refute Calvinism.
What must I do to be saved? BELIEVE in the lord Jesus.
If I remember correctly, John 3:16 is an example of a consecutive clause of actual consequences (houtos ... hoste plus an indicative verb rather than the infinitive). "For in this particular way God has loved the world, that he actually (not theoretically) gave his only begotten son, so that all who believe in him should not perish but have eternal life." The effectual cause of this saving is given in verse 14 where Jesus speaks of himself being lifted up just as that bronze snake was by Moses (indicating crucifixion -- John 12:32-33).
Satan believes in Jesus. So anybody who says they believe in Jesus as a prophet, but nothing else is saved. Just believe, no need to follow Him???
@@barbs1298 Is your argument with me or the text?
Loving these quick videos defending Calvinism against common attacks. Please do more!
I like the interpretation of Ephesians 1 that the predestination is for those who choose Christ are all predestined for eternal life. Some of the biggest non-Calvinist texts are the old testament. Why if God chose the Jews did they leave him every chance they got? Why did he not keep the original church pure and unbroken. It seems like he would keep his chosen pure and righteous, unless they have free will to disagree, and reject his grace. Also, why do you waste so much time preaching to us unless we can choose to listen. In the Calvinist view If you do not preach the elect will be saved, if you do work hard and preach the elect will also be saved. Your preaching style and the way you apply the bible to real life situations are why I choose to listen to you, even if I disagree.
Also, my own life experience is, I was not raised in a church, nor with a big idea of Church as an institution. I was a "Christian" for years but nowhere near bible believing, nor church believing, I was not the crazy mainline Church but very much a Man of little real faith other than there must be a God, and the Christian God is the best, and I prayed a lot, that is one thing I always did well. A few years ago I was going through some things, and I made a choice to stop pushing for what I wanted and said "God, I am going to trust in your will here." Now, He did not start giving me what I wanted, but He helped me find peace, in what He wanted. I was guided, to start reading the bible, guided to start listening to many church personalities, including yourself, who I still listen to despite this disagreement, because a lot of your teaching is spot on, and you preach in a way that draws people to make the right choice to follow Christ. But there was a version of me that could have still chose not t believe, not to put that trust in the Lord.
I totally needed His help, and His grace, but I had to make the first move. I had to say "I will stop working on my own, and humble myself to Your will" Then He started helping, and I started listening. He did not make that choice first to start helping even though I prayed every day for years before I truly made the choice to trust Him. For me, at least, seeing how things changed after I chose to put my faith in God, both made my faith stronger, and made me more humble, and I think God was perfectly happy to watch me wonder around lost until I made the right choices.
I do not say all this to boast nor convert anyone. My point is to try to lay down my questions and experiences, in hopes those that may disagree can show me where I am wrong, as I want to learn the truth in all things, I read the bible 3-4 hours a week, and listen to all the best pastors I can find from multiple faiths in hopes to find that truth and adhere to it, whatever that truth may be.
I have yet to meet a person who is angry at God because he or she has not been chosen. It seems only believers argue about whether or not God chose them or they chose God. The unbelievers don’t seem to care. How ironic.
Oh no he didn't!
After going over the text just a little a bit you see it actually STRENGTHENS Calvinism
LOL WHAT PLANET YOU ON
The key is not the word “whosoever” it’s the word “world”. John 3:16 is teaching that all people who believe in Him will have everlasting life. Who can believe? “God so loved the “WORLD”. Who is Jesus talking about when He says “world”. The context tells us.
“And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.”
Changing the word “whosoever” to “all” doesn’t help your argument.
Yes!!!! That is the scripture that explains exactly why any are condemned. NOT because God randomly chose who to save.
Every mouth will be stopped at the judgment because unbelievers will see that they have no one to blame but themselves for rejecting the gospel that would have saved them. And why? Because they refused to come to the light that they might be saved....NOT because God prevented them from coming to the light. They chose darkness.
No different from the OT. I set before you life and death, therefore CHOOSE LIFE that you and your descendants might live.
God sent all of his prophets to warn his people to REPENT and TURN back from their backsliding OR ELSE they would face judgment.
God even sent some KNOWING they wouldn't repent in order to prove later that a PROPHET HAD BEEN AMONG THEM.
God chooses to work through faith although of course He doesn't have to. It's his sovereign choice.
There were some areas where "Jesus couldn't do many miracles because of their UNBELIEF."
Amen!
The Lombard Formula is our best friend. “Christ died sufficiently for all, and efficiently for the elect.” Be Davenantian, not Owenian.
I am having this huge wedding feast. Whosoever shows up to the feast are the ones I have sent invitations to and all who have been sent invitations are coming.
All are given invitations some make excuses why they can't attend. God still gave a genuine invitation to all.
Salvation is God's idea not man's.
@@plumber1874 Jesus either came to save his elect or he is a failure. You worship Vidal Sassoon Jesus who just cries and begs people to listen to him. I serve the King of the universe, the seed of the woman who crushes the head of the serpent, who saves everyone he meant to. It can't be finished on the cross if it's waiting on your decision.
@@balaamsass5540 So God didn't hold out His hand wanting Israel to repent? was it all just for show?
@@plumber1874 National repentance of Israel has nothing to do with his elect. Read Romans 8.
“There were indeed false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who BOUGHT THEM, and will bring swift destruction on themselves.” 2 Peter 2:1
“Therefore, dear friends, since you know this in advance, be on your guard, so that you are not led away by the error of lawless people and fall from your own stable position.”
2 Peter 3:17
“For this reason we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe.” 1 Timothy 4:10
"Because they consider all the offenses they have committed and turn away from them, that person will surely live; they will not die... Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit. Why will you die, people of Israel? For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign Lord. Repent and live!" -Ezekiel 18:28, 31-32
"If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." - John 8:31-32
Just a reminder, whether a person believes in Calvinism or not, it has absolutely nothing to do with your salvation in Christ.
We choose Him because He first chose us. It really is that simple.
I chose my wife. Months later, she responded by choosing me. Great type and shadow, because that is precisely what happens in reality.
Calvinism, when quoting Romans 8:30..."and those whom he predestined he also called"...YOU need to go back to verse 29, "For those whom he FOREKNEW he also predestined to be conformed..." In other words, God called us because he already knew we would believe so he predestined us to be the image of his Son and do good works. Verse 29 seems to be left out when quoting Romans 8:30 regarding Calvinist's? God Bless
You have to take the WHOLE Bible in context and NOT just parts. God didn't make man to be a robot. If you look at what Jesus said about the parable of the sowing of the seed of his word. People make choices because God wants his children to choose to love him so he gave his children free will. Ultimately ONLY God knows whose names are written in the Lambs Book of Life. That knowledge God has about the beginning and the ending of ALL things is part of what makes God who he is, and that mankind is part of God's creation and mankind doesn't have that capacity. God said man's thoughts are NOT my thoughts. God's timing is NOT man's concept of time. God knew us before we were born. God knows the number of hairs on our heads. God knows are very thoughts and hearts. Jesus knew that Peter would deny him when the cock crowed, Peter told Jesus that he would NEVER deny him. We ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
God willed us ALL an inheritance in deed. Like the prodigal son look at free will as a legal inheritance of property that has value. We have free will to sell ourselves (property) and our very souls to whomever we wish. We because of God's "will" of inheritance we can choose to sell ourselves by signing over our property deed to Satan himself. That is why many that have gained the whole world have admitted they sold (deeded) their soul to Satan. When Jesus was in the wilderness and was tempted by Satan, Satan offered Jesus the world if Jesus would bow down and follow him. Jesus is God so he was able to resist the temptation. ONLY God coming in the form of a man could buy back ALL mankind and pay the ransom that was required. Jesus God in the body of a sinless man sacrificed was the ONLY way to set the captives free. Because God's people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. God said, behold I stand at the door and knock (Satan also knocks on the door) and mankind each and every one of us has free will to open our door to whomever we wish. If mankind was not given the inheritance of free will Jesus God would have had no need to die on the cross.
The first shall be last and the last shall be first. I would rather you were hot or cold but lukewarm I will spue you out of my mouth. A double minded man is unstable in ALL his ways. So, humble yourselves. Get on your knees, repent, and pray unceasingly. Put on the whole armor of God daily for we wrestle not against flesh and blood but principalities and powers in high places. Get ready for the bridegroom have you lamps full of oil and your wicks trimmed. Be dressed in your wedding garments for the wedding supper of the lamb. DO NOT fall asleep and be caught unaware.
Have you ever thought about what you would do when offered to take the mark of the beast knowing that if you didn't take the mark, you could no longer buy or sell. That means you would lose all the money in your bank account, couldn't buy food, couldn't pay your taxes or any bills. Are you going to sell your soul to the master of this finite world Satan, or will you trust in God that created everything to supply ALL your needs??? Only God knows whose names are in the Lambs Book of Life. For ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves.
There is a man who freely sold his soul to the Devil. He is still alive today. The words of a song he sang goes. "You have to serve somebody. It maybe the Devil it maybe the Lord, but you've got to serve somebody." God said you cannot serve two masters.
Love your channel, Pr Matt, but can't agree with your Calvinistic take on Jn 3:16.
Calvinist theology gets a lot of things right. But on the key issues of predestination, election, justification, regeneration, faith, etc., it's a mess.
And because it is it can create a mess in the lives of its adherents, not to mention a sense of fatalism and despondency.
What's more important? God's love? Or, God's (deterministic) sovereignty?
I understand how the God who is love might exercise his sovereignty.
I fail to see how a deterministic sovereign God, who elects some to salvation, and not others, might be genuinely loving.
For God so loved the world that he gave his Son....
I think I'll stick with that instead of the grammatical gymnastics of Calvinism.
Peace.
I’ll say this as someone who is Arminian: Calvinists believe that there will be many many arminians in heaven, while many arminians believe that because someone is Calvinist, they do not fully believe (their version of) the gospel and thus won’t make it to heaven. In the end, God’s divine sovereignty ought to be an assurance to the believer, because God never fails those he loves even when they fail him.
Because Calvinists do not believe. They think it is all up to God. They are not believers & teach that no man can believe because all men are too totally depraved to believe. If the righteous are righteous by faith & according to Calvinists men are too totally depraved to have faith then by their own definition a calvinist cannot be righteous. They do not believe we are righteous by faith. They believe the righteous are righteous by God’s sovereign choice. The word of God does not teach righteousness by God’s predestined choice but righteousness by faith. Jesus said over & over again YOUR FAITH has made you well (saved you).
If you read 1st John the spirit of the Antichrist is the one who denies Jesus has come in the flesh. This is what Calvinists do for millions of people. They deny that God loves them, they deny that Jesus died for their sins, they deny that Jesus came in the flesh for them. The Pharisees did the same thing. Claiming to be God’s elect they denied salvation to all other men who were “sinners” & “not God’s chosen special people.” What did Jesus tell them? That the adulteress would enter the kingdom of heaven before they do. It is very dangerous to think you are God’s elect while denying salvation to others…
This is what Calvinists fail to see. The Pharisees boasted in being God’s predestined elect chosen people chosen by God. Calvinists say that this is not boasting. The word of God says boating is excluded by the law of FAITH. The law of election? The law of God’s sovereign choice? The law of predestination? No, but by the law of faith.
@@BingoNamo-gb8pz _"They are not believers & teach that no man can believe because all men are too totally depraved to believe."_
We teach that belief is a work of God, not man (Jn 6: 29) and that it is authored by Christ, not man (Heb 12: 2) and that it is given as part of the gift of salvation by grace through faith (Heb 2: 8). We do not teach that salvation doesn't involve belief or faith, but we reject the error of making salvation dependent on working up faith in yourself apart from God.
@@oracleoftroy Calvinists have gone way beyond “working up faith in yourself.” The overall message of Calvinists is that God does not choose to save everyone & that the choice is not up to you but up to God. If your first claim was true then I could say “anyone & everyone who believes on Jesus shall be saved” and you would have no objection because THAT FAITH came from God. By your next claim that not anyone & everyone who believes will be saved means you don’t actually believe “faith is a work of God.” It’s because faith is a work of God that I can say ANYONE & EVERYONE who believes on Jesus will be saved. Why can’t you say the same?
@@oracleoftroy let me give you an example of how silly this mindset is. This would be equivalent to someone giving you a free ice cream & then you taking the ice cream & claiming you got the free ice cream because you somehow worked up enough faith to manipulate that person to give you the ice cream. No one thinks like this! People just take the free ice cream & thank the person for their generous gift. Only Calvinists would say that a person is too totally depraved to just take the free ice cream as a gift & be thankful. According to Calvinists, only a regenerated believer has the God given ability to accept the free ice cream as a gift & no one else.
So here’s a quick test to see who is saved & who is not saved according to Calvinists. Go to a baseball game & offer free ice cream to everyone at the game. Those who accept the ice cream as a free gift are saved because if they were totally depraved they would have no choice but to say no.
@@BingoNamo-gb8pz _"The overall message of Calvinists is that God does not choose to save everyone & that the choice is not up to you but up to God."_
Yes, we are the sinner and God is the righteous judge. We are the one's on trial, not God. The murderer doesn't run the courtroom, nor does the defense or prosecution, but the judge. Salvation isn't up to the choices of the one on trial, rather they are on trial for their choices. If they want mercy, it is up to the judge, not the sinner.
_"If your first claim was true then I could say “anyone & everyone who believes on Jesus shall be saved” and you would have no objection because THAT FAITH came from God."_
Amen, and I do have no objection to that.
_"By your next claim that not anyone & everyone who believes will be saved means you don’t actually believe “faith is a work of God.”"_
Huh? Where did I claim that?
_"It’s because faith is a work of God that I can say ANYONE & EVERYONE who believes on Jesus will be saved. Why can’t you say the same?"_
I can... I have no idea what you are talking about. I think you are assuming as true the very claim I originally was denying and refuting.
_"No one thinks like this!"_
That's precisely how non-Calvinists think about faith when they separate it from the gift of God. They make their faith a payment in exchange for the ice cream instead of recognizing that they wouldn't even have faith if it wasn't given to them.
_"According to Calvinists, only a regenerated believer has the God given ability to accept the free ice cream as a gift & no one else."_
I mean, that belief predates Calvin by at least 1000 years. Read the Canon of Orange. You seem to be dangerously close to affirming Pelagianism.
_"So here’s a quick test to see who is saved & who is not saved according to Calvinists. Go to a baseball game & offer free ice cream to everyone at the game. Those who accept the ice cream as a free gift are saved because if they were totally depraved they would have no choice but to say no."_
That doesn't really match Calvinist soteriology in the slightest. Maybe instead go to a graveyard or a morgue and offer the ice cream. Those who accept it of their own volition despite being dead in sin demonstrate that being made alive in Christ isn't needed for salvation.
No, John 3:16 (in the Greek) does NOT destroy Calvinism ("...that all believing..."), however the next verse does:
"For he did send his son into the world to condemn the world, but so that the world might be saved through him..."
And so we find a fairly typical Johannine usage of "all" (after all) in v. 16. To John "all" is equatable to the whole, and often this means the whole world, in context. If John intends to mean the whole group at hand (a limited body of believers) is questionable, and hardly ever clear from the context. In short, John is cosmic.
Lots of scriptures cast down calvinism. 1 Timothy 4:10 is another. The Lord has been faithful to keep showing me more scriptures that cast it down anytime I began to doubt. Run from calvinism.
Calvinism is not in the Bible. God is sovereign. Humans are sinfull. Total depravity is not total inability
Oh. I'm not an arminian
In any case, the whole gospel of John speaks of election from beginning to end: all those the Father has given me, etc. Arminians are reading the Bible selectively. Predestination is clearly taught from Genesis to Revelation! Acts: all those who were appointed to believe", Romans 9 based on Malachi 1, etc.
They want a God who acts "fairly" according to our puny and flawed human reason.
"Whosoever" in John 3:16 doesn't destroy predestination, but "world" presents significant problems for limited atonement.
Frankly, I think the correct attitude is that seemingly contradictory statements on the matter are simultaneously asserted in scripture and how they are to be reconciled is a deep mystery. I believe that both predestination and free will are asserted in scripture. I limited atonement to be on much shakier ground than predestination, but even there, there is enough scriptural support for both positions that it is perhaps better to say that it's a mystery.
I have not yet seen anything in scripture that supports the free-will position. Man is frequently offered choices in scripture, that much is certain, but time and time again, he chooses wrongly. This shows us that man is the servant of sin until Christ sets him free. At no time is man a free agent.
@@Countercommie The Old Testament literally uses “free-will offering” to describe certain offerings made to God. So your position that the will isn’t free is refuted.
The Bible teaches not a free will, but a subjugated one. It says we are either slaves to sin, or slaves to God. Daniel 4 pretty much refutes the idea that our wills are not subject to God’s. Even Jesus, the perfect man, in regards His humanity, subjected His will to the Father’s when praying “Not My will be done but Yours.”
@@christsavesreadromans1096You’re making the error of just picking out a word from the text without making sure it’s being used the same way. Freewill offerings in the OT were offerings outside of the mandatory time of offerings. Everything about it was regulated except for an individual could bring it when they wanted.
It’s a giving joyfully and thankfully back to the LORD. It’s nothing to do with man’s ability to choose grace.
When English goes against my understanding of doctrine, let’s go to a rendering of a Greek translation, that best suits me. 👌🏼
We really need some strong universalists to start coming hard after the Arminians so they'll stop using arguments that should lead to universalism (but don't in effect because they're trying to argue against Calvinists who also don't believe in universalism.)
Amen. It's sad seeing people lean so hard into heresy just for the purpose of opposing Calvinism, then throw it away and cry foul when it is pointed out. I'd love to see a consistent answer that is unavailable to the Calvinist yet in no wise leads to universalism. As it stands, most people give very Calvinistic answers when pressed, but they just don't like it when Calvinists give those same answers.
Reading scripture in the greek really sheds light on nuances that aren’t seen in the usual English translations. Love it!!Thanks Pastor Matthew 🙏
@savedbygrace22,
The world has only 2 kinds of people, the elect and the reprobates.. The entire bible speaks only about these 2 kinds of people.. All that are saved are the elect and all that are not saved are the reprobates...
John 3:16 says: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
This verse reveals that there are only two kinds of people, the elect and the reprobates.. Those whosoever believe in Christ are the elect and are saved.. Those who do not believe in Christ are the reprobates and are not saved..
Additionally, “For God so loved…” does not mean how much. English has changed in meaning of that phrase. It more accurately means “For thus God loved…” That’s akin to saying “In this way God has loved…” 1 John 4:9 parallels this phrasing saying “In this the love of God was manifested…” Though, the fact that He sent His only Son to die for His enemies naturally shows how much He loves.
Also Romans 11:26, "and so"
There you go again explaining the exact meaning of the Greek to defend the truth. Your brief explanation shows the value and need for elders to have a solid understanding of Ancient Greek.
Thank you! Have you ever considered reviewing one of the many anti-Calvinist videos of Leighton Flowers? That would interesting. :)
Leighton Flowers is certainly anti-Calvinist because he limits "Calvinism" to TULIP. Calvin wrote his Institutes of the Christian Religion as a summary textbook for his students. There is a whole lot more to Calvinism than Flowers gives him credit for. Leighton Flowers creates straw men in his videos and he's not even really good at doing that. Flowers is a twist on Arminianism plain and simple.
One issue I see is that more progressive or permissive theology does not allow God to have the ability to know what’s best.
He knows who wants to be with him and who doesn’t. Calvinism is the best representation of Gods grace. He will not force his love on you.
People just don’t get it.
If I could hit the like button 5 times I would. God bless you.
A rule in debate is that you may not use an exception as evidence to prove a rule.
In the same manner, I am unconvinced when only one Biblical passage is used to make a point.
Before creation, God predetermined everything, and in the mortal and sinful realm in which we live, he unfolds his plan.
Sinful human beings cannot make one iota contribution to their own salvation, and it is a scorn to our sinless Creator to say otherwise.
well said
Christ didn’t come to make salvation possible,but to obtain it.
Great video. I was in discussion with an Arminian a while ago who used the 'whosoever' argument from John 3.16 and I later went and checked the Greek text and noticed the wording as 'pas' or 'all' who 'are believing into Him' or alternatively 'all the believing ones (the word is a participle) in Him'. The KJV 'whosoever' has an unfortunate indefinite connotation.
"The KJV 'whosoever' has an unfortunate indefinite connotation."
Don't say that to a KJVO! You'll be branded as a heretic or worse.
I would lay odds that anyone who would suggest that John 3:16 refutes Calvinism couldnt provide a synopsis of John 3:1 -15.
Now imagine if you're wrong about Election and God actually wants every person who ever lived to repent and believe. You are besmirching the character and heart of God for a man made systematic.
Rather than imagining the god that seems right in our own eyes, why not go to scripture and accept what God says about himself? The scripture gives strong support that God is the giver of salvation, not man, and that God isn't stuck waiting for Almighty man to make a move, but is the one who brings life to his people.
@@oracleoftroy I agree let's stick with scripture and not man systematics. God wants all men to repent and believe on Jesus Christ.
@@plumber1874 Yes, in the same sense of "all men" as Paul establishes in verses 1-2.
Great job Matthew thank you
Exactly! Only those who are effectually called will come to faith.
Many are called few are chosen???
@@barbs1298 The general call goes out to all mankind. That’s the great commission, to preach the gospel to every creature. But only a small number (God’s remnant are always relatively small in number it seems) are effectually called, chosen, justified, glorified.
Nice work, Matthew. It's almost funny how easy it is to refute the Arminians.
If you qualify “whosoever”, also qualify WHO are the ones predestined in Ephesians 1 - the faithful (vs. 1), those who trusted in Christ. And just adding that the other side isn’t just “Arminianism” (which is very similar to Calvinism, actually). The other side of the argument is Provisionism. See ruclips.net/video/j--xQ3hIuZM/видео.html .
Eph 1, Romans 8:29 & 30 and so many others dismantle the heresy of arminianism. People do not want to admit double predestination bc they are not the deciding factor.
No I think it's more that they don't want to believe God created them to be eternally destroyed and have no hope of redemption.
@@plumber1874the same objection that your using against Calvinism can be easily thrown back at Arminians.
As a matter of fact the Arminians do not escape any real dilficulty here. For since they admit that God has foreknowledge of all things they must explain why He creates those who He foresees will lead sinful lives, reject the Gospel, die impenitent, and suffer eternally in hell. The Arminians really have a more difficult problem here than do the Calvinists; for the Calvinists maintain that the ones whom God thus creates, knowing that they will be lost, are the non-elect who voluntarily choose sin and in whose merited punishment God designs to manifest His justice, while the Arminians must say that God deliberately creates those who He foresees will be such poor, miserable creatures that without serving any good purpose they will bring destruction upon themselves and will spend eternity in hell in spite of the fact that God Himself earnestly wishes to bring them to heaven, and that God shall be forever grieved in seeing them where He wishes they were not. Does not this represent God as acting most foolishly in bringing upon Himself such dissatisfaction and upon some of His creatures such misery when He could at least have refrained from creating those who He foresaw would be lost?
@@plumber1874we can throw the same objection back at Arminianism.
As a matter of fact the Arminians do not escape any real dilficulty here. For since they admit that God has foreknowledge of all things they must explain why He creates those who He foresees will lead sinful lives, reject the Gospel, die impenitent, and suffer eternally in hell. The Arminians really have a more difficult problem here than do the Calvinists; for the Calvinists maintain that the ones whom God thus creates, knowing that they will be lost, are the non-elect who voluntarily choose sin and in whose merited punishment God designs to manifest His justice, while the Arminians must say that God deliberately creates those who He foresees will be such poor, miserable creatures that without serving any good purpose they will bring destruction upon themselves and will spend eternity in hell in spite of the fact that God Himself earnestly wishes to bring them to heaven, and that God shall be forever grieved in seeing them where He wishes they were not. Does not this represent God as acting most foolishly in bringing upon Himself such dissatisfaction and upon some of His creatures such misery when He could at least have refrained from creating those who He foresaw would be lost?
@@plumber1874the same objection your using can be thrown back at Arminianism.
Calvinists maintain that God the ones whom God creates, knowing they will be lost, are non-elect who voluntarily choose sin and whose merited punishment God designed to manifest His justice, and for a good purpose, but Arminians, on the other hand, say that God deliberately creates people that He knows will be lost, and whose punishment serves no good purpose, and that God will be eternally grieved because He could not save them.
Does this not present God as acting foolishly in bringing such misery and dissatisfaction upon Himself and His creatures when He could have easily just refrained from creating those whom He foreknew would be lost?
The accusation that God creates someone for the sole purpose of condemning them can easily be thrown back at the Arminian. Of course, the accusation itself is just a straw man meant to portray God as an unfeeling sadist who delights in torment for no reason.
@@vincent8943 your answer is yes God did create them only for destruction but had a purpose and that purpose was to show His justice by destroying them for not repenting which He determined them not to able to do. Do you think this shows justice? God is the most merciful being, God doesn't set people up for a fall. Your systematic makes patience a nonsense word.
John 3:18-19 (ESV): 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. 19 And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil.
Nice! I don't think John 3:16 is a good argument for Universal Atonement. However, I would argue that 2 Peter 3:9 indicates God's will is that EVERYONE should turn to Christ in repentance. "The Lord....is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." So it seems a person's decision can thwart God's will without undermining God's authority.
If you read 2 Peter 3:9 in context, it is being written to the beloved.
“ but do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that, with the Lord one day, he has 1000 years, and 1000 years as one day.”
@@jkproluigi7473 Well, first I don't think the context changes the clear reading of the verse at all. But second, you could argue that the whole Bible is written solely for the elect using your reasoning. For the record I'm neither Calvinist nor Arminian: I believe that since we don't know for sure who is predestined for election, the issue really doesn't matter. We do, however, often know what God's will is because we see it laid out clearly in the scriptures.
If a person can thwart God's will then God is not sovereign.
You can't have it both ways 🤷🏼♂️. This isn't Burger King
@@allenfrisch What about the scoffers for whom God is storing up fire for judgement? There are clearly two groups of people in the passage, one beloved, and verse 9 seems to be speaking of all the beloved which does not contain the reprobate scoffers.
John 3:16 says: "Ουτως γαρ ηγαπησεν ο Θεος τον κοσμον", and not: "Ουτως γαρ ηγαπησεν ο Θεος τους εκλεκτους", or "Ουτως γαρ ηγαπησεν ο Θεος τους προωρισθεντας προ καταβολης του κοσμου εις σωτηριαν". The phrase "Ουτως γαρ ηγαπησεν ο Θεος τον κοσμον" tells us the motive or the intention behind God sending His Yios Monogenes into the world; namely, His love for the world.
John 3:16 does not identify those who have apprehended the truth and reckon it to be true. Those "believing" (not believers) is the thing specified. Believing is a verb here. Present Active Participle, to be precise.
I sure with all you Calvinists and Armenianists would read your Bibles and discover that Free Will and Predestination are both sound Biblical doctrines.
Or if Calvinists and Arminianisms would do what the bible says and stop calling themselves one house or the other. Just call themselves Christians, since Jesus is the one that actually died for them. The justification of one sin while denying another. Jesus says that our job as Christians is to spread the seed (His Word, The Gospel) and God does the watering. Some falls by the wayside, some on rock, some in thorns, but some on open hearts. It's not for us to decide who or where. If they deny the Gospel and refuse to hear it Jesus says to dust your shoes off and move on, he will deal with them.
I will stick with what he says, less I cause my younger brother or sister to stumble.
@@o0o_OutCast_o0o Of course, there is always the problem that over half of the people in all the churches are not even remotely converted people.
Calvinism and Armenianiam are just one area, and not all that important an area, either. The big problems in the churches today are:
tithing
titles
501(c)3 adultery
Plus, there is the problem of churches teaching evolution, and those turning the salvation of sinful souls into the cure of sick minds.
I saw the title of the video and then I saw who made it and went. Oh this must be some type of April fools joke. 😂😂
At least 2 key words to define -- κόσμον and πᾶς
God Loved 'κόσμον' or the 'World' as its translated in the english translations. This means: The order. Mankind. Creation.
Πᾶς is translated to Whoever (NIV/ESV/NKJV) Whosoever (KJV/ASV) Everyone (Holman Christain Standard Version/NLT/CSB) Everyone (Interlinear Bible)
Πᾶς can be defined as: All, The Whole, Every Kind of
God loved his *entire creation/mankind* that he gave his only son so that *ALL people/creation/mankind* (referencing the creation/mankind/Order) *who believe* will have eternal life.
It seems as though the door is open for all, but some are specifically chosen based on Matthew 22:14 "For many are called, but few are chosen". Also in 1 John 2:2 "the sins of the whole world" and in Revelation 3:20 "if any man hear my voice".
True, but an open door is not open if Jesus does not everyone to make intercession for them, and the door is non existent if His intercession depends on the will and faithfulness of mankind.
If any man hears does not mean all are hearing or that this who hear can perish in the end.
Funny thing about Calvinists, the one thing that seems to override predestination and for sure send you to hell is denying Calvinism.
I have yet to see a Calvinist saying that Arminians go to hell.
On the other hand, I *_frequently_* see Arminians saying that Calvinists go to hell.
@@Packhorse-bh8qn It was a joke about how upset and defensive - perhaps even insecure they get. So defensive they can't take a joke. I guess that's true on both sides, but the sorts of Calvinist who go so far as to make it a part of their identity are special people. They are iconoclasts all the way up to that same portrait they all venerate. That was also a joke.
@@Packhorse-bh8qn I could upload a 20-minute-long cute cat video and title it "Calvinists haz the dumb" and there will be a billion comments before anyone realizes it's a cat video. I'm ☦ so everyone hates me anyway. I say they all haz the dumb.
@@wjckc79 In the context of a discussion about bad behavior, there is no reason for anyone to read your comment as a joke. Especially not when:
1. That exact accusation IS often leveled at Calvinists.
2. That exact sentiment IS often expressed by Arminians against Calvinists - that they are going to hell.
I can't tell you how many times I have seen both done by Arminians, but I have never seen Calvinists say that about Arminians. Hyper-Calvinists may do so, but that's a tiny fraction of the Reformed world.
By the way, I'm not a Calvinist.
@@Packhorse-bh8qn Why don't Armenians and Calvinists play chess together?
Because the Armenians would insist on making every move a celebration, while the Calvinists would just keep telling them it was predestined to end in checkmate!
So many big words and ideas that flutter by and by out of my grasp ...
Psalm 139:6 KJV
"Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high, I cannot attain unto it."
John 3:16-17 KJV
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."
John 6:28-29 KJV
"Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent."
John 6:47 KJV
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life."
John 10:28-29 KJV
"And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand."
Psalm 131:1-3 KJV
"A Song of degrees of David. LORD, my heart is not haughty, nor mine eyes lofty: neither do I exercise myself in great matters, or in things too high for me. Surely I have behaved and quieted myself, as a child that is weaned of his mother: my soul is even as a weaned child. Let Israel hope in the LORD from henceforth and for ever."
Colossians 2:8 KJV
"Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ."
I think in the future you should put the claims you’re disproving in the video in quotes, like this “John 3:16 DESTROYS Calvinism!” That way people know which side you land on. Great video btw.
John 3:16 must be interpreted with verse 14 in mind. When did Moses lift up the serpent in the wilderness? Why did Moses lift up the brazen serpent? Who were the people affected by the poisonous snake bites (all humanity or a specific group of people)? John 3:16 (when read in the context of Numbers 21: 5-9) is CLEARLY about ancient Israel and the fact that THEY were in need of saving because only Israel was under the law of Moses and according to 1 John 3:4 sin was the transgression of their law (Torah).
Dear friend, the truth is right in front of you and you cant see it. The predestination spoken of in Eph 1, is the future "adoption" of those already saved. "Adoption" was the Greco-Roman idea of inheritance, son placement, NOT God "adopting" us into His family. You MUST be BORN AGAIN to be a child of God. HE has no "adopted" children
Please stop the 101 level of interpretation.
1. the term world had different meanings in John. The burden of proof is on you to show that the word means each and every person.
2. You are assuming each and every because you are bringing in your pre-supposition of universal atonement.
3. The term was used by the Jews (Jesus and Nicodemus were Jews also) to refer to the GENTILES (Paul used it this way in Romans 10-11). Hence, it can mean gentiles as much as each and every person.
4. By interpreting each and every you make the bible contradict itself. Jesus said I lay down my life for the sheep (sheep were not each and every person).
5. Remember Jesus is talking with a teacher of Israel who had the assumption that Israel was God's chosen. But here Jesus is reiterating Isaiah where the messiah was to be a light to the Gentiles.