A Few Thoughts About RFK Jr. (Episode
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- Опубликовано: 5 июл 2023
- Sam Harris discusses Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s recent appearances on other podcasts.
July 3, 2023
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Sam's comment section really shows how people live in different realities. It's bewildering but understandable thanks to the current way news is consumed and propagated. Personally I try not to have an opinion about every topic, since not every topic is important or intresting to me.
Yeah Sam literally lays it all out for them and the comments are like “Hey Sam you should debate RFK on your show!”
There are so many gullible people, or people who didn't even listen to Sam's statements, in this comment section that it is maddening. Remember when Bill Nye debated Ken Hamm regarding Noah's Ark? What did that accomplish? Did fundamentalist Christians stop believing their fairy tales? No. It's a waste of time to platform crackpots like this.
@@BradDoggett
I think it's just how normal distribution works. On values and on the cognitive abilities to understand topics.
A service like RUclips is catering to over 2.6 B users, second to only Facebook. And most of us users are going to be of average capacity to comprehend.
That's why it's refreshing to see someone actually being responsible when it comes to how they use their platform, like Sam Harris is doing. Not preaching about how people should live their lives but also walking the walk. That is a sign of an intellectual.
@@justanothernick3984 lol Sam Harris is the conspiracy nut here. He spent the entire segment bad-mouthing RFK Jr, (ad homs all the way), and refuses to give him the right to respond to his accuser. That is intellectual dishonesty and the kind of thing one would expect from Stalin or Pol Pot.
The Snake in the Garden of Eden is a metaphor for people like you and Sam Harris.
@MarcoRueda-ik4cz lol Well said. If Sam Harris had your humility, he might have my respect but sadly, Sam is the definition of 'malignant narcissist'.
I love that you have an opposing viewpoint, which is why you should have him on even more. I want to see what you guys disagree on, but also what you do agree on. These are the conversations the American people need to help make their decisions while voting.
Did you listen to what he said? To platform someone like this is not advisable unless you are prepared which Sam and most people in the world are not.
Just Google it. Maybe chat gpt can make an interview of him getting debunked
"Opposing viewpoint" = the exact viewpoint that the entire corporate media apparatus and established political machine has.
@@popeye175He's roughly 20% w primary voters vs a sitting President.
There is a Trillion dollars in vested interests rallied against him.
Yet no-one is bothered to pay a few minions to do the research to debunk whatever he says. Not one billionaire or millionaire. Not one news outlet, corporation or NGO. Not a single public intellectual has the courage to debate him.
@@DaWozzMan Courage? Or dont want to platform a crank medical opinion?
Lex Fridman did an excellent job with Bobby. Got to the heart of who he is, heard some great stories, allowed him to speak but challenged him directly on controversial vaccine topics, and provided sources of experts to read/listen to as a counterpoint.
true. i wasn’t a big rfk fan until the lex episode. at some point tho all of the institutional ad hominem attacks kinda melted away and I was struck with the obvious fact that “holy shit that’s Bobby Kennedy’s kid.” he’s got some of that vibe. And good lord he’s been through it. The disrespect is so heavy with these mindless establishment shills (we’re so excited for joe biden and our eighth jab). I love it i can’t wait to watch them meltdown trying to defend why it makes perfect sense that biden shouldn’t have to debate rfk in the primaries. and no not because he’s unalive now and was a mouth breather at his best - but bc on principal we can’t lower ourself to speaking to RFK’s kid it’s just beneath us and might sully the great name and reputation of the hair sniffing sundowner.
Offit and Debunk the Funk? Pathetic…if you can’t figure this out at this point, you’re as lost as Sam. Enjoy your remaining boosters into oblivion…
@@datsyukiansanderov7184 nice leap there. I’m as critical of the Covid response and vaccine pushers as anyone you’ll meet. I’m also not closed minded
@@J425LIVE rekt
Fridman - no "E"
I think Sam's hard stance of not platforming RFK because he isn't a scientist is wrong. Podcasting in general is at it's heart a discussion, and many people discuss, have ideas, and great insight on things they aren't experts in. Yeah you could make the argument that he's such a powerful figure going for such a powerful spot that he shouldn't be allowed to speak on things he's not an expert in.... but more speech is necessary than silencing and censoring.
I think Sam's stance on not platforming is kind of ridiculous to your points...who is the omniscient being who is qualified to speak on everything.... I mean Trump for God's sake is in this mix....it is just the nature of this new medium.
You should NOT platform people who "jUsT AsK qUeStIoNs" about things they aren't qualified in.
You’re right. Sam should platform me so I can share my insights on efficient rocket propulsion (I didn’t graduate high school, but I swear I know what I’m talking about bro! 😎)
You're not even attempting to understand what I'm trying to say 😂@@sunnydays405
I don't disagree with much you said, but I disagree with the emphasis.
The point you should not only be mentioning (to your credit, you DID mention it) but you should be incessantly shouting it from the mountaintops is your point that, "Institutional science (and those who corrupt it) have EARNED the distrust against them.)
Everything else, I don't really think anyone should be expected to take seriously.
We were told, "Hey plebs... we know you can't science, but you can trust me... I'm the science."
Turns out he wasn't... and it turns out SOMEHOW the science was unable to reach the people during Covid... but the institutional lies sure as Hell did.
So you may not like that we aren't all independent and competent scientists, but you DO have to respect the fact that we are pattern seeking creatures and that corrupt scientific institutions is a form of Black Box.
We've got a Black Box with science in it, and we've got a "scientist" telling us what's in it... and we know that they are either lying or telling the truth.
So from a position of not being able to test the science yourself, the LOGICAL conclusion is non-conclusion and the practical conclusion is to PUNISH institutional science for their recent betrayals.
So it would be nice if we all had scientific sources that we know we can trust... or the ability to evaluate scientific claims on our own... but we don't.
Given that's the case, this attitude of suspicion towards scientific institutions and willingness to hear out someone who you call a fraud... frankly you're going to have to do better to call these people off. Given their tools, what they are doing is possibly supported by game theory, and it's CERTAINLY justified in terms of disempowering the people who already wronged them.
Before you expect any level of cooperation or trust from anybody right of the fringe left, you're gonna have to give us something. Fauci in handcuffs, a transparent look into the Wuhan lab, an acknowledgement and remedy of the shady relationship between Silicon Valley and the Democratic Party. SOMETHING has got to give.
A reasonable and logical person could NEVER take anything on faith ever again without some sort of good will gesture regarding closure and clarity on Covid and those responsible. Until we receive that, it is not even a little irrational to just assume everything the establishment says is a lie.
> Turns out he wasn't... and it turns out SOMEHOW the science was unable to reach the people during Covid
how is reaching the people problem (or betrayal) of "science?"
> A reasonable and logical person could NEVER take anything on faith ever again without some sort of good will gesture regarding closure and clarity on Covid and those responsible. Until we receive that, it is not even a little irrational to just assume everything the establishment says is a lie.
careful what you wish for.
we all want "good will gesture" and "closure" but unfortunately it takes time to figure things out. lots of time. during that time there will be tons of people attempting the age-old trick of telling people what they want to hear. manufacturing closure is easy, on the other hand, if it does not have to be true, so gaining truth is an uphill battle: people who base their expectations on wanting to "get some closure" will be easy to bribe by these liars.
Thank you for this!
Sam do you take the full coarse of current vaccines recommended by the CDC ? All boosters etc???
I doubt it.
If the other podcasters are doing us a disservice by not challenging RFK properly, than do us one better.
Invite him, challenge him, push him and let's hear his response.
The problem is not platforming, as you mentioned it is not doing your homework as an interviewer and letting the interviewee get away with nonsense.
Not entering a discussion is not the solution.
Totally agree.
You must be hard of hearing.
The problem is RFK's tendency to lie and misrepresent facts that are not easy to find, or that may not even be in the public domain at all. That's the point of the Jake Tapper story: if Tapper hadn't responded, or had he suffered a stroke or died in the past 20 years, RFK's lie would very likely have gone unchallenged and added more fuel to the no-vax insanity. No one but Tapper had the relevant information to call out Kennedy's bullshit.
Not platforming him is the correct choice for podcasters who don't have the time, means or journalistic chops to research in-depth EVERY single topic RFK might want to lie about. His track record speaks for itself.
Sam Harris repeated himself ad nauseam saying that is impossible to avoid letting the interviewee get away with nonsense, because you just cannot fact check deep technical questions. How could you? Even if you had a team supporting you in the backstage, more often than not the claims are too technical, too profound, and it's impossible to fact check in the flow of an interview. To do a proper research you need hours, maybe days, and the interview lasts only one hour or two. So it should be clear, if you really watched the video, that liars like RFK love getting platform because there's no way to avoid their lies to reach the broader public. It's free bs propaganda from them.
It would be relatively easy to do a little research on studies RFK has sighted. Ive never heard him say something that isn’t back by numerous scientists. If Sam’s so sure he has such a false narrative… collect some actually data disproving the science and invite him on.
@@catsullivan1436look up Andrew Wakefield
Sam! I can't be 100% certain, but I believe you've overlooked something important. After several years of listening to you speak, my key takeaway has been that what matters most in civil discourse is not the ideas or beliefs themselves, nor necessarily how we arrived at them, but the rules we apply when planning the journey. Epistemology. This guy is no Donald Trump, insofar as he clearly recognises, then claims to both value and uphold the principles of skilful, nuanced debate. He may be misguided or even wrong in his conclusions, beliefs and/or resultant activism, but from what I have heard, you could both agree in principle on how the skilful conduct of such a debate should look. The same cannot be said of the vast majority of those whom you choose not to platform.
He certainly seems to display epistemic humility. Moreso than say Michael Knowles on Christianity.
he says bullshit and qualifies it with "but idk tho". He's the epitome of "people are saying..." while being demonstrably wrong. He washes his hands from the accountability of the bs he pushes.
Frankly: for public and child health this guy is worse than Trump. Hands down.
yeah, the idea that peterson should be platformed and rfk shouldn't, is hilarious
@@vespuccini Your comment is unintelligible. But your Feelings and Intentions are valid in the context of Free Speech. Learn about "Discovery." It is a process mainly of the Legal and Science Disciplines of the past. Quickly going out of style. So for you, perhaps only Feelings. Correct me with facts, please if you could.
If the nominees are Trump and RFK Jr, Sam's brain is going to implode faster than that submarine.
To soon !!!!!
Sam's brain is safe. That scenario has a 0.002% probability.
@@jlvandat69 I guess that was what the passengers thought.
Haha 😂
@@ricardoalvarado1109 Possibly. Just shows that those who don't do their homework are not very good at probabilities.
I listened to your few thoughts on JFK then I listened to Lex Fridman interview JFK. I was highly impressed by JFK.
Where are getting your information about him Sam? Have you talked to the man. He seems to me to be is a human of integrity.
Edit. Correct typo RFK not JFK.
Lex interviewed JFK? With a ouija board?
yeah Sam is completely captured by the deep state. He makes patently false claims in this podcast. Specifically regarding the use of thimerosal in vaccines. The CDC's website clearly states that thimerosal is still used in vaccines today. The guy can't even take the time to fact check himself but he's concerned about misinformation. He might as well be an MSNBC anchor at this point.
Lex's Lee Harvey Oswald interview was better
Ouiji board, lol. My bad, ...RFK. I'm reading James W. Douglass' book JFK and The Unspeakable... so a typo
is it a problem for you at all that RFK is objectively wrong about many things, but continues to spread disinformation for profit?
We have such a desperate longing for sanity and compassion from our leaders that it is hard to admit when the persuasive charismatic people come along that you are being manipulated down a rose-coloured path
Honesty and integrity on an individual level is not manipulation. Hope and optimism are what unite and inspire the next generation to end the merger of State and Corporate "indulgences".
This is SOOOO true. Im willing to actually believe RFK might actually get into the white house and DO the things he says. Hes an existential threat to the corrupt govt. Im not so sure that america will stand by and let another assassination just dangle there for 50+ yrs. I mean people still sit idly by after 9/11. But if RFK takes a bullet it might be the catalyst that makes people throw themselves on the gears of this cleptocracy and say enoughs, enough. Then haul the corrupt congress out of washington and re start with new elected leaders. Until that happens... all the great ideas and well thought out plans for our country wont mean shit. The controls of government are placebos. Those elected are muppets! Or the dancing headless chickens from the peter gabriel video. We all know whos bought. And who bought them. The boyscouts stick out like herpe sores.
Everyone wants the u.s. that feared us but as long as flat screens are cheap. And the nfl/ honey boo boo is on....well one day, Rose colored glasses would be awesome.
Where was all this deep dive, debunking and concern when he platformed Charles Murray??
Murray, RFK2 and all the others will have a platform whether Sam gives one to them or not. But when you talk about your reasons for not "platforming" him, you say more about yourself than them.
Wtf?
Since when was Jake Tapper more trustworthy than RFK Jr?
He's not and Sam doesn't believe he is.
are you as concerned about anything else Sam has said.
On Tapper's trustworthiness, just a moments research will show how long he worked for ABC and whether he had stories knocked back.
@@blooper6543 of course sam believes that tapper is more trustwrothy than rfk... how coulde you possibly believe anything else is the real question?
he shares almost all views with tapper, and certainly all important and most relevant views... and shares almost none with rfk
@@wasdwasdedsf So? I have tons of political alignment with Trump, but I don't pretend he's honest because I prefer his views on immigration and war.
exactly....wish i had said that.
RFK has said he is more than willing to provide his debate opponent with advance access to all his citations, sources, and arguments. RFK explicitly does NOT want to have a debate where he ambushes his opponent with unfamiliar evidence and arguments.
Is there really NO ONE in our entire intelligentsia class who is willing to devote a few days to the project of digesting RFK's arguments and formulating a solid rebuttal? Does no one truly see the public value of this endeavor--not to science, but to our democracy? What does that say about our academic elite that they are unwilling (or unable?) to serve the public when it's most needed?
There are a million debunkings of his "vaccines cause autism" bullshit out there.
it means RFK is right
Beautiful comment. Thank you. Its funny, but not, that MSM can spout anything they want without citations and people believe it. Yet when RFK Jr comes with references and studies, people just run away from the science.
The whole craziness is "trust the science" which really means trust what "authority" tells you. The whole point of science is testing and questioning and validating over and over.
And you are right about the debate for democracy. Through debate, we understand truth, as Aristotle said
I've seen people do this before. Everyone claims that they want to have an open debate, but they don't follow the format.
What the actual f do you think will happen when Sam accepts RFK into his little podcast, and RFK just flies off topic like a fking maniac, claiming that the US government is poisoning the atmosphere through chAmtrails, and Harris tells him to shut the fck up, because this was not the topic of the day.
I've already seen this happen so many times to know exactly what will happen. Harris will tell RFK to stay on topic. RFK will feign outrage and leave the interview. Harris gets showered in hatred from a backwater community that doesn't realize how incredibly dumb they are.
Have you seriously, never seen this before? Have you never seen these nutjobs claim that they want a fair fight, only to not follow the format that was agreed upon? :P
The most striking argument from Harris here, is the fact that RFK isn't a doctor, nor a scientist. It doesn't matter if he watches youtubeclips, or reads actual peer-review. Whatever the man produces, can not and should not be called "research". "Research" is reserved for a type of elite. Namely researchers. Researchers who are trained PAINFULLY in methodology, bias avoidance, philosophy and theory of science. I would know, I have a master's degree in science myself.
He should not sit next to a scientist, and debate science. Because he is ill-equipped to do so. You don't seem to realize this. Which only cements Harris' point. People who aren't scientifically trained are susceptible to bullshit.
Good luck to him, I hope he smashes his opponents 😊
Sam there’s a simple argument for why you should have him on your show. If you won’t, then someone else will. And probably someone else with a bigger following than you.
He doesn’t need your show to get his message across, so not having him on does nothing to hurt his ability so spread his supposed lies. But bringing him on and dismantling what he’s saying, would actually have an impact.
The problem is that everyone who claims to be able to take down his arguments, does it alone, from the safety of their podcast studio.
No one will actually debate him, which should be easy if in fact his positions are so easily debunkable. That fact alone makes the other side seem scarred at best, and evasive at worst
Damn well said.
Many a scientist has come unstuck with that foolish belief. If you are bound to tell the truth by integrity you will "lose" a debate with a grifter, at least in the eyes of his fan base. Harris is not an expert on all aspects of vaccine science and it will be easy for someone like Kennedy to just make up new "facts" on the spot to prove his position and there is no way to check everything he says in real time. I've seen the same thing with chemists debating creationist James Tour and a climate scientist debating Monckton. This is why you don't debate science with liars.
Agree. Sam doesn't know nothing
Sam is a Biden shill
But Sam relies on "experts" and RFK doesn't stay in his own lane.
I don’t understand, Sam doesn’t want to have someone on to debate him the points he’s making saliently without confronting him? That makes no sense. It would be great if Sam would debate him and see what he says about the removal of mercury and other issues he brought up!
Sam is totally mask off now. He's not a liberal. Total Schmidtian friend/enemy distinction. Writ large
kennedy should do a point by point response like the one he did here. my skeptical friend (and a big sam harris fan actually) sent it to me unprompted saying he found it quite good. maybe would get Sam to have him on
www.nationalreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/RFK-JR-Response-061623.pdf
Debating and direct confrontation does not improve the quality of the discussion. He’s presented his ideas here and you can critically evaluate it yourself.
@@pookz3067 Look, that's simply nonsensical. It would absolutely improve the quality of the discussion if a confrontation were to happen, because right now there is *no* discussion.
Sam explained this in the video. If Sam nails rfk down on any previous lie, rfk could just change subjects to some other bullshit he made up and could even make up something on the spot.
Who in your opinion is qualified to decide about platforming or canceling people?
Anyone who agrees with him. Anyone who doesn’t is far too dangerous to ever have a voice
The people owning the platform aka the people owning the business get to make those choices about it, I know shocking
I think Sam is fine in saying he decides whether to give a platform to someone on his podcast. Do you disagree with that?
Noone is qualified, therefore let it ride. Haven't w already observed the shenanigans involved when
Exactly!
I am reminded of the time that Clint Eastwood debated an empty chair. The chair held its own.
Sam Harris said he would drop all his moral values because Trump was such a threat - although he never named the specific threat Trump was. He said that even if there were bodies of children in Hunter Biden's basement, he'd be OK with it, although he's never specific about what sort of threat Trump was.
It was interesting to see insanity on full display, but it wasn't funny or entertaining. It's shocking this man is considered an intellectual. He's insane.
The, apparent, horror of the Trump presidency, is that he was the first president in 40 years, not to start a new, stupid, war - and all war is, is state sanctioned murder.
This is Sam Harris whole channel now. Sad to see.
Fitting analogy. Though I believe Clint merely addressed said chair, he didn’t debate it.
The institutions have more than burnt my trust. I am starving for someone to point out the obvious problems and try to fix them.
Our food, military, medicine, education, and prison institutions have chosen to make profit there number 1 priority.
Business have to make money but the point of the military is to protect first, not profit first.
YES
Right off the bat, Sam characterises RFK as someone who thinks that the Koch brothers should be put in jail simply for operating a corporation. Robert's actual argument is that companies that claim that what they are doing causes no pollution or environmental damage when they know for a fact that it does, should be prosecuted.
Yeah he erred on that point but that not the sum total or the strongest reason he provides against RFK’s stances.
@@user-pq7jj3vs3e I don't actually know all of RFKs policy prescriptions other than this one particular, his stance on vaccines and pharma, as well as some other surface-level things that he's talked about he would change in his presidential campaign. But the fact that Sam Harris was disingenuous on the very first point, makes me not believe anything he has to say about him after after that.
@@alexstetson2397 actually on a second look you seem to be understating what rfk said. He didn’t merely call for PROSECUTION of the polluting corporations , he called for PUNISHMENT of not only polluting corps BUT ALSO ALL deniers of climate change. So Sam hasn’t really even erred there.
@@user-pq7jj3vs3e Probably not. But he's calling RFK a liar with a history. Well, Joe Rogan offered Peter Hotez money to argue RFK to debate live and he refused, saying that you cannot win against a conspiracy theorist. Sam Harris is kind of applying the same weird logic here:
Don't give RFK a platform to spread panic and conspiracy theory. Don't need to speak directly with people to try to understand them anymore. One should judge them by indirect evidence gathered.
Why not just set up a meeting and ask him question in his face? Call him out on his bullshit!
Better yet, debate him! You are willing to debate the existence of God with JP. You aren't afraid of God before, suddenly, now you are afraid of some panic monger?
Sam's logic, like much of the left's reasoning lately, doesn't make any sense.
@@user-pq7jj3vs3e Sam says RFK Jr said "anyone that spreads misinformation on climate change should be jailed." Nowhere in the video clip he seems to be referencing does RFK Jr say this. He did say he thought the Koch brothers should be in jail but he said this was in response to an earlier part of the clip that wasn't shown where he was being asked about the Koch brothers criminal conduct as they had been criminally convicted of violating environmental laws. When asked specifically about politicians RFK Jr said "(Politicians) who are doing the Koch brothers bidding and are saying that global warming doesn't exist.... I wish that there were a law that you could punish them under." In what way does he think politicians should be punished If a law existed to do so? With jail time? We don't know. He didn't specify. In Sam saying RFK Jr said this he is misrepresenting and misquoting what RFK Jr said.
His skepticism towards science may stem from the belief that the field has been hijacked by corrupt forces in positions of power, compromising its integrity and objectivity. This has led to concerns about the validity of scientific claims and parallels the unfortunate reality of corruption and complicity seen in other realms of authority.
Doesn't that sound like a convenient way to be able to make a claim without having to produce evidence?
Exactly the same position climate change denial activists occupy ...
RFK jr. has a valid point though (as does Trump sometimes) and that is, the lessening of financial motivation for successful outcomes in science is needed to reform faith.
@@SamSullyV The evidence is overwhelming to those with their eyes open.
@@GrandAncientOak Give one piece of evidence. Just one. If you can.
@@SamSullyVyou could actually just go listen to some of the people making these arguments and actually read the evidence they provide
This is an example of talking about someone vs talking to someone one, either way, it gives that person attention
Blatant cowardice on the part of Harris.
@@palakalola3744 oh please, why do you need Harris to tell RFK off for you? Can't you see through the bullshit yourself?
Sam is afraid to have a real discussion with RFK. I don't know why, brush up on the facts and engage in discourse.
Anyone who believes that the general public is so stupid -- that we have to worry about them being exposed to 'wrongthink' is undeserving to lead the public discourse.
james , great example of making a comment but saying nothing
@@manbearcannon1250 rfk has nothing to say . sam is afraid,,,, lmfao
The consistency in Sam amazes me despite the heat he has sustained. People like rogan weinstekn tucker are nothing but rhe new Hollywood mafia
I like to have Sam’s skeptical input and commentary, anytime Im getting enamored with rhetoric and my own confirmation bias. OK so now what? Who else has the USA got that could find you guys (and all of us) a better way forward? And how can all the corruption be dismantled?
The CIA can be taken down by NO ONE. Try, and you'll get the JFK treatment.
There will never be an alternative to forever wars and opaque corporate-influenced governance that Sam deems valid. I think I've realized... Sam wants us to stay right here where we are.
Exactly, where's the better candidate then? Where now Sam? Or does he just want to pick apart everything somewhat decent?
I was glad that Harris was there to readjust my confirmation bias, he reminded me that a fraudulent Trump University was more grievous than having the dead bodies of children in the basement of a Biden, that sort of clarity is certainly refreshing.
i dont disagree with sam, but if the other options are trump and biden...
We are all for a CDC and FDA we can trust... That's not where we are.
Funny how anti science Sam has revealed himself to be on these topics.
David Icke would tear Sam's ideas about 'science' to pieces.
Sam, I find this instantly fascinating because it is the first ever time I have disagreed with you. I will listen to it many more times - surely there is something to be found when I depart from the bright path of wisdom you have shown so many of us. #RFK.
Go watch Debunk the Funk talk about RFK. He's a medical doctor. He breaks down a ton of points that RFK makes in his Joe Rogan appearance and makes it very obvious that RFK consistently misunderstands evidence
@@TheSteelDialga There is more to RFK Jr. than just his vax views. And is Biden or Trump a truly superior alternative?
@@TheSteelDialga I've watched Debunk the Funk and the recent PBS broadcast of RFK, Jr. Kennedy is still waiting for a true rebuttal to dispute any of his claims about Fauci, Pfizer and Big Pharma. The bottom line is that experimental medical mandates are wrong.
Lol. Every presidential candidate should go on a 3 hour podcast.
How many times do you need to resuscitate Biden in 3 hours 😂
No one wants to hear any politician talk for 3 hours, chief.
@@Unhingedanduninformed I think 3hr podcast are superior to letting news companies control how you see then
@@anthonym3687 that’s a hot take. I’d rather read, go outside, do literally anything else than listen to chuds likely RFKJR or any politician lie and obfuscate for hours.
@@Unhingedanduninformed wouldn't it be harder to tell that they're full of shit if they weren't on a podcast? A podcast that you could listen to while doing other things lol
The fact that you decline to speak with him and your willing to have an opinion on him, leaving a one sided conversation is a form of sensoring.
Why wouldn't you want any president candidate to be speaking on these public platforms?
Maybe if you had a conversation you may change his mind on some things or vice versa.
But shutting down conversation is the big problem here.
I couldn't agree more! This is the kind of BS that makes the elites look not so elite!
Did you listen to this clip?
he just spent some good 25 minutes explaining why it is not a good idea to give him a platform.
Also, censorship is a thing between the state and a citizen. Sam Harris CAN'T censor anyone. Neither can Rogan or other podcasters. If they could, I would call censorship. I have never been allowed on the Rogan show. And this is because I have scientific evidence that big pharma has bought Rogan and bla bla bla bla.
Let me correct tour 3rd grade grammar.
“The fact that you decline to speak with him and ~~your~~ you’re willing to have an opinion on him, leaving a one-sided conversation is a form of ~~sensoring~~ censoring.”
You had two misspellings in your first sentence. Are you seriously this inept?
Why wouldn’t you want any ~~president~~ presidentIAL candidate to be speaking on these public platforms?”
Please put down the bong, bible & gun and pick up a legitimate book and learn how to spell like most people who graduated out of 8th grade. It’s like you refuse to put the most minuscule of effort in conveying whatever twisted thought was hatched in your head, as you vomit out your opinions…as if they matter. They don’t matter.
Ehm he outlined this quite convincingly in this podcast. Did you even listen before posting this?
When you witness institutions like the C D C and F D A address the public with information and a almost guaranteed assurance of a v a x, without returning to the public when that mark is missed it will diminish trust. If those with platforms are not properly doing their due diligence by the standard mentioned here, it’s almost a duty for Sam to have him on to discuss these topics.
Yes, totally, the pretense that they are always 100 percent accurate is what is so problematic.
I suppose the litigiousness of US culture has something to do with this but it has to be out in front especially with health matters like this.
@@myronschabe What role does the litigiousness of US culture plays?
@@adrianespinoza2306 For example, institutions like CDC and medical establishments not feeling like they can say essentially, 'this is our best guess' based on the data...they come off like they are omniscient with all kinds of pretense, imo, for one, for fear of litigation.
I've lived in other countries where the culture is much more 'human' and not as litigious and therefore everything is not so 'bubble wrapped'....I am not saying it drives everything but it certainly has an effect on straight up honestly.
@@myronschabe The route they chose of absolute certainty seems to hold more litigation risk in the future but only time will tell. There seems to be many entangled opportunists that benefited.
Surely there IS value in having the conversation
Conversation is only valuable if you have honesty . why speak with a known liar
@@sek3ymisek3ymi because millions of people can see their fraudulent claims called out as opposed to going unchallenged
@@w8m4n never wrestle with a pig , Because you both get covered in shit and the pig likes it .
Sam can say the truth in the most eloquent and perfect way , but vax denial is impervious to facts and sources. “If they don’t believe in evidence, what evidence can be offered”. It’s easy to see rfk is no different than people who think aliens built the pyramids or flat earth , and anyone gullible enough to follow him is a lost cause.
It’s better to leave him to irrelevance . His popularity has died down significantly, even since this video . He never had a shot , it’s just sad to see anyone take him seriously . Many things are just not worth taking serious
Sam, thank you for taking the time to articulate a differential position on RFK. I really don't think I agree with your "don't platform stance", and would love to be able to hear you challenge his thoughts and narratives in a live, long form setup. It would help me develop my understanding on a number of topical points. All the best.
Well said. I agree. Sam to me feels set in his ways. Especially considering he refuses to talk to them. If needed get a referee. I think the eluding of the debate is what calls their bluff to me. RFK is a litigator, a really strong debater, champion of the environment, a true populist of the times, and a champion of authenticity. When I listen to him speak on issues I really care about - I know he is being authentic. Live and uncut is what made the Town Hall on News Nation feel so real.
@@MaksimQuartet So do you just not give a damn about things like Russia and it's internal politics, political repression, propaganda and deeply ethnocentric aggression?
I agree with Sam's platforming stance, let's talk about it. The problem is that if RFK just completely makes something up in a live format, the ability to fact check him is almost impossible. He could say "Did you not see the transcripts from the FDA in 2009 where they specifically say 'Bury all of the data that links Vax. to aut.'?"
All Sam could say is no unless he lies. The crowd walks away thinking it's real because there was not adequate pushback and it does damage to the truth. Its easier to pick apart his lies after the fact and watch him never respond or defend his position as seen above
Sam talks to experts about the fields these experts have their expertise in. He does not talk to random cranks who happen to have a famous last name and an opinion. That is not the format of his podcast, and never has been, as far as I know. If this is what you are interested in there are PLENTY of other podcasts (and other media platforms) which will gladly pander to that request.
@@solarblitz4524 well the solution unfortunately is that you just have to be an enormous pedantic tw@t and say "excuse me, I'm not familiar with the fact of that claim, can you substantiate that in any manner at all?" and when he inevitably fails to, on every single claim he makes, you have to say "again, let it be shown that RFK has absolutely no evidence, has prepared no evidence, has brought no citations and has completely failed to establish this claim as anything other than his personal fancy."
And you have to agree in advance that citations need to be introduced in advance of the talk if they want to draw on them during the conversation, and then when they submit all their citations, you have to look them all up and then find the retractions and counter arguments posted, and the debunking and the careers destroyed by the garbage that was offered as RFK "proof" and then you send back all your cites, and then RFK runs away from the conversation like a little weasel because he has no interest in being confronted with the facts. But if you hyped it up a lot that you were gonna talk to him, and you like that he's always prepared with facts and stuff, and get that hype train up to orbital escape velocity before you break the news about the citation submission process, you can make his retreat look really bad for him.
Other than that... nothing you can do.
Thank you for releasing the full version.
It ain't.
It is.
I appreciate this.
Yeah the original was only like 17 minutes
@@kg356nice clarification ty 👊😎
Why is it considered anti-vaxx to push for MORE science to ensure safety?
It's not. It's anti-vax to continue to peddle false lies about vaccines.
I might give honorable mention to Lex Fridman who preceded his Kennedy interview by encouraging people to listen to him and others with their own ears AND THEN giving equal or better time to any and everyone with a counter-argument. I didn't have a chance to sit through that interview, so I don't know how much he pressed him on any of his claims, but that would be of equal importance. Like you said, little good can come from simply putting a mic in front of the guy. Still, I think it's most important that people learn to not be so affected by words they hear people say. When you hear someone state something that either agrees with or disagrees with some idea you hold dear, that should be where the research and fact checking begins. It's not the place where you decide how much you admire them, or whether or not to vote for them.
It's still falsely equating arguments, though. We shouldn't hold outright liars and their falsities on the same tier of debate and reasoning as the accumulated wisdom of scientists and experts.
Not what he said about the Koch brothers. He wanted them to be held legally accountable for actual criminal behavior
He’s literally cleared this up. You’re being sloppy.
No. He said that they should be charged with a crime for something that is not a criminal offense under current judicial process.
When there is something like a EPA standard for how much pollution you can produce, and you go over that standard, you get sued, and fined, for that violation.
What RFK is saying is that instead of a fine, what we should do is say that because they know what the EPA standard is for pollution, and that pollution harms people, we should charge them with the crime of reckless endangerment... as a corporation... and use that as a justification for "corporate death" so like he's saying we should legally execute a corporation for going over pollution limits because they know they are killing people and being bad faith when they deny that.
They are very much NOT IN VIOLATION OF CRIMINAL LAW. He's suggesting that we .... well hopefully he's suggesting we change the law so that they are, but who knows, maybe he's suggesting we just pretend the law is different and hit them with that retroactively.
He's insane, he's been insane for the last 20 years at least.
@@markallen6433 these people are scum though, they will do everything to sell products...even paid scientists to write bogus papers, like that sugar isnt bad and so on
@@markallen6433 Are you a lawyer? RFK Jr has been an environmental lawyer for 40 years. He has won many high-profile cases. He has also taught law. What are your credentials? I would bet his ability to interpret the law is much better than yours. Insane? No. Get a grip.
@@jeffhaddix9508 He never won a case on this line of argumentation, so I don't see how any of his "credentials" are relevant here.
His position is F@#%ing unhinged and a gross violation of jurisprudence.
“Do I think the Koch brothers are treasonous? Yes, I do.” He added, “I think they should be enjoying three hots and a cot at The Hague with all the other war criminals.”
Go ahead tough guy. I gave you the easy argument first, but you're being a jerk, so lets go hard. This absolute unit of an embarrassment to America called the Koch brothers treasonous war criminals for running a middle of the road industrial firm. They aren't the worst. This isn't BP killing civilians in Bhopal by the truckload to save money on containment structures. This is just a normal kinda polutey, kinda responsible, American company. They were politically outspoken, but nothing about Koch is standout compared to other energy and industry giants. But RFK thinks they belong in the Hague.
Please tell me where he found this opinion in his illustrious career.
3:54 one does not need to be a “scientist” to make observations, have intuition, and make decisions based on those observations. And the first amendment recognizes we have the right to discuss those insights and observations with others.
If I'm on a plane I want it to be flown by a pilot, not somebody who's "observed" a pilot flying a plane.
rfk's most compelling thoughts about vaccines are the relationships between the corporations and the regulators. but i guess those things have never led to anything bad. especially in the pharma industry... oh wait.
Well, if he has some compelling evidence he should bring it instead of telling lies and mis-representing things.
@@nerdyali4154 i think the relationships between the government and corporate interests have been well documented. do you disagree?
The cronyism is a massive problem and will only be rectified by an increase in separation of state and economics, just as state and church are separated.
@@nerdyali4154Do you allow yourself to be open to other ideas and viewpoints? I always try to entertain multiple sides of an argument even when I disagree to keep my biases in check as much as one can. I had held trust in the systems that be for most of my life and only in the past few years have really been able to see since all of th c19 hysteria how obviously corrupt everything is. I hurts to have your entire reality shattered but, frees you from the shackles of ignorance and arrogance.
@@GAB-vq7re if you think c19 was hysteria, go talk to people who worked in hospitals during the time. Many of which quit due to burnout. 100,000 nurses quit due to burnout during the pandemic. I personally have friends that worked in respiratory therapy and had to risk their own lives treating these people. Hysteria my ass.
Put him on your show and debate him if you think he’s a conspiracy lunatic and we’ll judge who to believe 🇮🇪
16:30 is where you can pick up from original shorter episode.
Thank you. I forgot.
God
Thanks
In this episode, Sam makes the case for censorship, or "deplatforming" as they're rebranding it. Then he makes a series of strawman arguments.
Hitchens would not be impressed with your arguments for censorship.
Neither would the Sam Harris of 2011, when Hitch passed away. But we have had another 12 years to run forward the modern social media experiment and that's given plenty of new evidence on the effects of every charismatic crank with a name and an axe to grind having functionally unlimited reach. I believe that Hitch would have a much more nuanced view on just what a belief in the right of free speech means and requires if he were still alive, just as Sam does.
@@nHautamakiare you actually arguing for regulations on speech?
@@Joseph_Hamilton Yes? What you don't realize there have always been regulations on speech? What do you call laws against slander, libel, threats, and incitement? Free speech has never been absolute, not even in America which is one of the more libertarian places with regards to speech, but plenty of other very free countries have greater restrictions on speech than America does and suffer from it not at all.
@nHautamaki No, absolutely not, you're not going to pretend Hitchens would have "evolved" his views in such a cowardly way. On this issue he was crystal clear: ruclips.net/video/4Z2uzEM0ugY/видео.html
@@Darvatron Yeah and he was crystal clear about how great it was that the US was going into Iraq to overthrow Saddam in 2002; after watching how that turned out for the next 8 years he had plenty of very reasonable evolving. Adapting your world view to new evidence as it emerges isn't cowardice, it's wisdom, and Hitch didn't lack for that.
I have read a lot of comments. It is surprising they’re nearly completely one sided, in defense of RFK and in opposition of Sam’s point of view on RFK. Count this comment as similar to most all others. RFK seems reasonable, humble, open minded, and thoughtful. I’m sure he’s not 100% right on everything, obviously, but he will certainly get my vote because he seems like the standalone option for intelligent, thoughtful discourse and an honest actor
Agree. Sam is out of touch
You're voting for that guy? So the only qualification for president is to be against vaccines? Lol. Damn you people are easily duped. Reading through these comments is terrifying how fucking stupid this country is becoming and how many will latch on to any populist contrarion. This country is on its death bed.
I'd heard JFK take on Russian war in Ukraine and it was tremendously ignorant and wrong at every turn. He mixed up facts, he invented some, he messed up timelines, actors, made absolutely unhinged conclusions based on all that porridge he had in his head. He is a DISASTER
Agree that we need institutions, but they are clearly suffering from various forms of capture and corruption so the just asking questions crowd whether they are right or wrong are doing us all a service by forcing them to prove their robust systems and integrity hopefully halting some questionably practices and help safe guard against further integral entropy
For me a way more compelling argument would be hearing an actual conversation between Sam and RFJ Jr. At this point I don't think "platforming" him on Sam's podcast is going to have a huge impact on voters in favor of RFJK, also considering it's listeners are mostly part of a pay to access platform and whom most of which will agree with Sam. I'm tired of hearing one side describe everything one way, and then another person describing them another way. We get no where. We need to get back to having conversations in person and getting to the bottom of things. If RFK is wrong, then please have that discussion with him, even try to enlighten him, please have some discourse instead of staying behind a wall and talking at him without giving him a chance to give any feedback. I want to hear cordial intelligent discourse involving the person being talked about.
Sam is irrelevent.
Harris' point is that if you're going to give someone like junior a platform to dispense his ideas the responsible thing is to be prepared to listen to him and ask intelligent questions that are based on knowledge of his claims and knowledge of his background and his history of lies. He is a well documented liar when it comes to the topic of vaccines and he is a massive hypocrite when it comes to free speech. He's cool with free speech as long as peopel are saying what he wants to them say/what he agrees with. That's not the way free speech works. He can say whatever he wants but it is irresponsible to let his claims go unchallenged due to a lack of knowledge about the subject and his background.
That really is all that Harris is saying. Junior has been lying about vaccines for at least 20 years and everything he says is based on lies and misinformation. Why would people not care to hear him challenged on said claims?
he was recently interviewed in a media matters podcast where the interviewer was prepared to ask him questions on his claims and surprise surprise, Junior didn't do very well. He stammered and stuttered and tried to deflect, tried to avoid answering basic questions. in short, he isn't an expert and he knows nothing about the subject aside from conspiracy theories.
Sam is so clearly afraid RFK will make him look like the fool he is.
@@palakalola3744 apparently you're incapable of grasping the point Harris makes.
@@zotanSam makes no point. He talks to none of the people he used to, Rogan, Peterson, Weinstein, he's suddenly realized they're all too dangerous for him to talk to?
If Sam wants faith to be restored into American institutions, this may seem illogical but the next President should probably be Robert Kennedy, and I’ll tell you why. After seeing Sam’s reaction, I decided to go watch a couple hours of Robert Kennedy being interviewed, long form. I watched a town hall thing, and I watched him on Lex Fridman’s podcast for a few hours. Here’s 2 takeaways I get from it-generally speaking, the dude is pretty honest. Not in the sense that he’s always right. But in the sense that he generally says when he really believes. There are seeming exceptions to this like with Covid and vaccines, but that comes across as a deep seeded bias he has more than downright deliberate deception. At least that’s how I’m reading it after hours of watching him.
And number 2, he doesn’t take the bait to bash the other side. Even people he sharply disagrees with-Trump, Putin, etc, he seems to come from a perspective of solution-seeking, instead of bashing. In the world of politics, this is fucking refreshing.
So how does this tie back to restoring faith into American institutions? We all know that the way institutions are viewed by the typical American are at an all-time low. This dude may misread data, but I think he has a chance of being quite trustworthy and relatable (especially with the very human thing like going from addiction to being in recovery). And if he can be trustworthy at the highest position in America, that’s where the restoration can begin.
I love Sam. I’m here for a reason. But just wanted to add some color to the convo. Happy to hear alternative takes too. Thanks for listening
Bravo! RFK Jr. also has a track record of walking back and correcting statements he's made in the past (such as with the Koch brothers) and I wholeheartedly agree with your perception: rather than pay specific attention to any given position and what faults may lie in the details, instead look at him through his process: he is trying his damnedest to be evidence based, thorough, and factual. He's solution seeking, and gets into minutia and detail in order to take a real position. If that position can be shifted, he has a record of having shifted over time. The problem is no one seems to want to take the time to correct him, or are just unable.
Trump was also brutally honest and said what he truly believed. That doesn’t mean that he was the right guy for the presidency. You're listening to style and tone, not wisdom when it comes to RFK. I also listened to a number of his podcasts as well; and I came away thinking that the Kennedy name and lots of exposure is masking the fact that he’s an ill-informed fraud. He’s virtually pro Putin as much of his ideas on the war sounded like Russian propaganda.
The whole point of sam's video is that he is not trustworthy. You can give him the benefit of the doubt, but Sam and others are being more careful. Sam doesn't trust the public to follow up on something RFK says that is later proven wrong and he apologizes for. Sam thinks that person will continue believing the inaccurate statement and that is dangerous
I agree with every word.
Just one question, how is Jake Tapper deliberately burying a story "deep seated bias", that's not bias it's a complete lie. Pharma paid Paul Offit $180 million, and that's why he's poisoning kids now is not deep seated bias it's outright lie.
Forget about liberal interpretations of studies, aldough even that seriously crosses the line of moral prudence, these two smears ad hominem attacks and lies just in this 15 min bit are more than enough to form pretty complete opinion about his intentions and your naivete.
‘You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain…’
Oh great the quote guy is here!
Sam was never a hero, he just conned people with appeals to emotion. But gotta say this was a very well delivered quote
Yes. I agree
"He's a lawyer and an activist" . Wasn't Obama ? Aren't most of our representatives lawyers? Might be a good idea to know law if you are in government.
4:30 RFK actually walked baked the statements he made decades ago about the Koke brothers. He first clarifies the context of that statement. Then, when it was put to him, he said “If I knew then what I know now, I wouldn’t have made that statement”.
Yup, Sam Harris is misrepresenting RFK given RFKs recent statements about this.
Yea that stood out...
Im slowly realizing Sam does this many times... In a statment about evolutionary scientist Douglas Hoffman he completely misunderstood and misrepresented his views... My view of Sam has really been slipping lately. I wonder... He ha said twitter made Elon crazy, im starting to think it made SAM crazy...
@@TheologyUnleashed I mean he was not a kid when he made those statements. Still disturbing that he made thme.
Right, but it shows how he thinks. He only retracted them after massive recent backlash. Plus he was a full adult when he made those statements. Stop babying him.
Lex Fridman has definitely received a sternly worded message from sam lol
Best comment /\ ....he will deplatform Lex ...and/or send his cultists to do it for him
Lex means well, but his tiresome "hear everyone out" shtick is dangerous insofar as it is a position that grants seeming credulity to bad ideas.
@@mishugrig6832 eh... no? Wtf are you even talking about, stop fighting your own imagination.
@@Chuck____ im sure Lex wouldnt look at it that way. Theres an old saying 'dont argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level then beat you with experience'. If it is a response to Lexs interview the fact Sam took the time to rebutt means he respects Lex. RFK is getting alot of airtime on tons of shows in the last week or 2 and Sam puts out one video and RFK stans lose their minds. Heaven forbid he should get any pushback that is from the people he decides in the forum he decides.
Lex is an intellectual midget. I can't get why everyone is fawning over him. He has very little grasp of any topic. At all. Some of his so-called "questions" make my ears bleed.
Interviewing ixk and picking apart the stupidity of his assumptions would be simple, but he doesn’t interview with hostile people. Rfk on the other hand takes interviews with anyone and seems to makes sense. I’d really like to see Harris talk to him.
Did you even watch the video?
@@dougdaniels7848 - I did. I don’t agree with his logic.
@@rickburns4572 so despite the fact that RFK is spouting complete and utter nonsense about vaccines, essentially just lying at 100 mph, you think Sam should platform him? Have to wonder if you're a russian troll or something lol
@@dougdaniels7848 - rfks main point on vaccines is that they should have RCTs done with a placebo vs vaccine to study the safety of the vaccine. That makes sense to me and I can’t find anyone who can explain why what RFK is saying is wrong and I’ve looked for explanations. What I read is a lot of hand waving and mumbo jumbo. It should be simple to either show the studies or explain why the RCTs aren’t needed. But no one comes up with anything.
@@rickburns4572 Hope you live in a cave far from those evil Wifi devices
"But before I launch out into those immense depths of philosophy, which lie before me, I find myself inclin'd to stop a moment in my present station, and to ponder that voyage, which I have undertaken, and which undoubtedly requires the utmost art and industry to be brought to a happy conclusion. Methinks I am like a man, who having struck on many shoals, and having narrowly escap'd ship-wreck in passing a small frith, has yet the temerity to put out to sea in the same leaky weather-beaten vessel, and even carries his ambition so far as to think of compassing the globe under these disadvantageous circumstances. My memory of past errors and perplexities, makes me diffident for the future. The wretched condition, weakness, and disorder of the faculties, I must employ in my enquiries, encrease my apprehensions. And the impossibility of amending or correcting these faculties, reduces me almost to despair, and makes me resolve to perish on the barren rock, on which I am at present, rather than venture myself upon that boundless ocean, which runs out into immensity. This sudden view of my danger strikes me with melancholy; and as 'tis usual for that passion, above all others, to indulge itself; I cannot forbear feeding my despair, with all those desponding reflections, which the present subject furnishes me with in such abundance...
When I look abroad, I foresee on every side, dispute, contradiction, anger, calumny and detraction. When I turn my eye inward, I find nothing but doubt and ignorance. All the world conspires to oppose and contradict me; tho' such is my weakness, that I feel all my opinions loosen and fall of themselves, when unsupported by the approbation of others. Every step I take is with hesitation, and every new reflection makes me dread an error and absurdity in my reasoning."
David Hume
So this is RFK JR or Harris? Lol
He's saying that RFK Jr. Is lying. For someone to lie doesn't it have to be something that's intentional.
My biggest concern is getting someone in the Whitehouse who can best keep us from a nuclear winter. The U.S. hegemony and unipolarity is coming to an end regardless how people feel about it.
Every single living podcaster Versus The Malibu Meditator. Conclusion: They are all wrong, confused, and don’t understand the need to silence critics of power.
You are the definition of living in a bubble
every single living vaccine scientist vs rfk jr. Conclusion: They are all wrong, confused, and don’t understand the need to silence critics of power.
@michealmurphy6331 time to get your 8th booster. The science is in and it's confirmed that the 8th shot stops transmission xo
Haha the Malibu Meditator!
@@dave9547 you gotta move on get a life, you can vote at the polls and no ones making you wear a mask or get the flu shot
Addressing the comments: there are MUCH better people to take the time to have on. This is supposed to be an intellectual podcast, not a crank platform.
16:08 FUCKING THANK YOU for saying this clearly.
I don't think anyone in the comments actually listened to Sam' s arguments
So why can’t you sue the vaccine makers then Sam
It's telling that people who disagree with Sam Harris' take on RFK just *assume* he took the video down and put it back up to delete comments critical of him, when actually it was done so that everyone, including people who don't subscribe to him, would have access to the entire piece. We are in a lot of trouble culturally in regards to the way we interact with each other and assume the worst motivations behind the actions of people we disagree with. We've lost the art of offering the benefit of the doubt. Things are getting more and more tribal by the minute. If we continue down the path we're headed, I don't know how our republic (the US) can continue to function.
Americans are going slowly insane it seems. Luckily, there are still countries in the world where what Sam is saying is just common sense and not even controversial.
@@RTC1655, it seems like we're being driven that way. America has an oversized influence on the cultures of other countries, this can be good or bad depending. Hopefully this behavior won't find its way to where you are. Where do you live by the way?
As of the comments won’t just get vomited back up on the video. Some people really are paranoid.
@@skreeeboy I'm writing this from Oslo, Norway. Rantings such as RFK jrs aren't getting any traction here, rather ridicule. Norwegians are still usually very positive towards the US btw ;-)
Yes, it was very important for Sam to tell us that Jake Tapper has unquestionable integrity, because we know for sure that’s always been true, right?
Lol, Sam is a joke now.
My “Smug Arrogant Know-it-all Detector” was going off the whole way through this one sided monologue.
By your own assessment Sam, you are supposedly smarter than RFK Jr., but you still can’t figure a way to talk to him and answer the questions you say he’s “just asking”?
Why don’t you use some creativity and conduct your interview in a way that eliminates your fears.
If you feel you can’t keep up with him to fact check him in real time, then just interview him twice for example. Fact check him in between interviews, and then you can come back with some intellectual ammunition, for the second interview.
You could also retain both interviews and release them together once you feel you have gotten all your ducks in a row and have covered all your bases.
You could also just know your stuff, perhaps listen to his points ahead of time and if necessary do some homework.
We don’t see RFK Jr. turning down interviews because he’s feeling he’s not prepared.
If RFK Jr. is 100% wrong about everything he's ever said about vaccines, I also could give a shit less if his policy proposals are better than Bidens. I remember when Sam used to hate purists who wouldn't vote for Biden because they didn't like one thing about him.
“Smug Arrogant Know-it-all” is Sam in a nutshell. What struck me was his constant appeals to authority of scientists. He thinks we'll fall for that after all the Covid lies? Hundreds of thousands of vax injured people now understand that science has been utterly corrupted, but rather than address the corruption of our institutions, he sees the justified loss of public faith as the problem.
I’ve noticed that people who have no idea what they are talking about just spew out garbage to force people to spend time refuting it. That’s what RFK Jr is doing. Why should people waste their time cleaning up the crap spewed by a fraud?
A few big problems with this proposition:
#1 Proper scientific study analysis is way more involved than you think it is, including that it would necessitate scientists who can fully understand the reports and sourcing, and then one side can just say they don't trust the scientists.
#2 RFKJ has a history of purporting proven misinformation on occasion, as cited in the video.
#3 So TBF we have more time passed to bolster this next bit since your original comment: RFKJ could put up a website thoroughly citing his claims with sources, yet by an interview with BTC a few weeks ago as of this post he apparently never did this. This strongly suggests the anti-vax studies aren't that strong, and he's relying on interview manipulation.
Has it been 30 years since the pandemic already? How did they manage to monitor the COVID vaccines for 30 years?
In a perfect world, one could interview Kennedy, challenging every claim based on his history of lies and misrepresentation, then releasing the interview only after facts are checked and incorporated point for point into the final podcast.
That would require Americans to have an attention span no longer than 5 minutes 😢
What supposed “lies”? Please put up or shut up.
@@pinchebruha405what's the most popular show in the world? Joe Rogan. How long is it? 3 hours.
Actually, he's offered to debate any prominent individuals on the subject of vaccine safety, but they are all too chicken to take him up on his offer. Perhaps they know their lies will be laid bare for all to see? Most tellingly, he's had a few individuals from the other side take him up on his offer to debate, only for them to cancel just before the event, and after RFK had already spent time and money to fly out to the event. Why were they so afraid to show up?
@@pinchebruha405 Joe Rogan gets millions of views, lots of people are willing to sit through long videos/podcasts. Hell, I remember when popular RUclips videos were almost never over 10 minutes, but now? They have to be to get the revenue most RUclipsrs hope for.
he is not as certain about things as you assert on him but expresses that things should be looked into, like pharmaceuticals in mass shooters.
@@zonedoyestander I'm curious, what topic(s) specifically are you referring to where Sam is being naive?
@@jeremybr2020 one example could be Sam's claim that the fraudulent nature of Trump University would be worse than the hypothetical bodies of children in the basement of the Bidens.
@@jeremybr2020You won’t get an answer. These people like to make themselves appear knowledgeable and open-minded but are just too narrow-minded and cowardly to post what they really believe.
But Sam repeatedly refers to this “just asking questions” routine. It’s a gambit, a way of insinuating certain claims without having to explicitly defend them. It’s also question-begging, again as Sam alluded to:
“We just want there to be the same oversight and rigor for vaccines as we have for other medications”
“But that implicitly assumes that there *aren’t* in fact the same levels of oversight and rigor already. You need to first *demonstrate* that, or at least give good prima facie reasons as to why it’s likely that the standards aren’t the same.”
@@jeremybr2020 have found him to sometimes seem naive when it comes to discussing US foreign policy, for example describing US foreign policy as well intentioned but mistaken, when it comes to things like Iraq for example, whereas i would be of the opinion that they were bad actors from the the start, engaging in military interventions with sinister intentions from the get go, not trying to do the right thing and screwing it up
I started this video an RFK Jr supporter but Sam challenged my beliefs. However, until Sam or others are willing to debate, I personally tend to trust the side that is willing. If Sam were to present a more compelling case, I would be more than happy to change my mind, but I need to hear them challenging one another in real time. I hope Sam takes me as an example that there are people who are willing to change but are turned off by people turning down a debate.
Yes
Sam is a coward, RFK is not, enough said.
Agree with you, speaks loudly of Sam feeling too vulnerable just yet he wants more fuel to throw on the fire or perhaps more water to put out RFKs present flame. I'm a Kiwi have been watching many podcasts with RFK as guest. More than any other country America's political power on the world stage can make or break world peace. A compassionate enquiry is vital for humanity to rise above present and future fears.
Sam increasingly has a really arrogant attitude toward who should or shouldn't be "platformed". He's so paranoid that false things might be heard by consenting adults, as if that hasn't been going on since eternity. We're adults, Sam. RFK is allowed to be wrong about things and still be heard. If he has *anything* valuable to say at all, I'd like to hear it and decide for myself. This paternalistic hand-holding that he insists we should all be subject to is incredibly irritating.
The more you listen to RFK, you will hear a retort to all of the points Sam made in this episode. Sam should’ve done deeper research before tossing up the mainstreams superficial criticisms as if he critically thought about them.
"It's not appropriate to talk to RFK Jr. about vaccines because he's not a doctor or a scientist."
Right right, just like it's not appropriate to talk to a presidential candidate because they're not a four-star general.
Face to face, baby. Let's do it!
Pretty sure the cell phone stuff is legit. Some good studies on long term effects.
All hail the almighty Sam Harris. You tell the MSM to do there homework before they do big time interviews. Oh please. God forbid we have open conversations that other people can listen to. You treat us like we are all children and we can’t come to our conclusions, we are unable to be skeptical of someone. Thanks Sam, I’ll only listen to what you say for now on.
Exactly!
You are literally proving his point. Being a good debater doesnt mean jack. Look at how gulliable you and the rest of JRE's viewers are. RFK got disproven in front of rogan but rogan just went along with what he said.
@@jhonklan3794 They are asking questions, there’s nothing wrong with asking questions. Rogan and RFK are having a conversation that you get to sit in on and listen to. It’s a free form, unscripted conversation, that what a podcast is. Harris is uncomfortable, cause he always wants to be in control and is afraid he may be wrong. He must do all his homework, so he can make sure everything in a conversation goes the way he wants. He’s almost to smart to a fault.
well, yeah, people act like children of course they will be treated as such. I know it pisses people off, but life isn't fair.
People obviously come to the wrong conclusion, all the time. That is why we have flat earthers. Why we have people saying that there will be no more babies past the corona pandemic, because of the vaccines.
A scientist shouldn't debase himself by sitting on equal terms with a quack. A scientist is trained in theory of science, methodology, bias avoidance. A lawyer learns how to sway people.
They shouldn't have a discussion. There is no point. If RFK wants to talk vaccines, he can start by going back to uni.
@jeffworthington: What part of "RFK makes shit up" don't you understand, Einstein?
No, RFK Jr. is not a scientist, any more than Sam Harris is actually a neuroscientist.
I admire Sam, and I can say that I do disagree on some of what he says on RFK. I certainly like RFK better than the other two presidential candidates. There is actual vaccine injuries. If there was not why does the National Vaccine Injury compensation program pay out hundreds of thousands of dollars every year. Imagine how hard it is to prove vaccine injury in court, opposing lawyers paid to not find anything wrong. I have as a medical professional seen people get injured by vaccines. That’s why it should be a an informed choice and that’s what RFK said,
RFK jr. has what he believes creditable answers for everything you have mentioned. He says he will change his positions if confronted with facts. If it is so cut and dry why wouldn't you have a debate with him and come armed with reaction to all his now well documented talking points and legal arguments?
Exactly. He's also said he is more than willing to provide advance access to all his citations, sources, and arguments. RFK doesn't want to have a debate where he ambushes his opponent with unfamiliar evidence and arguments. Is there really NO ONE in our entire intelligentsia class who is willing to devote a few days to the project of digesting RFK's arguments and formulating a solid rebuttal? Does no one truly see the public value of this endeavor--not to science, but to our democracy? What does that say about our academic elite that they are unwilling (or unable?) to serve the public when it's most needed?
Exactly! This is why I don't take Sam's criticism very seriously. I hope he does have RFKJ on and maybe he'll prove me wrong for ever being swayed by RFKJ, but until then I don't see much substance to what Sam has said here.
@@sterlingveilterrific comment. You hit the bullseye.
There is something else at play here.
He wouldn’t debate him because of his huge ego that he’s busy trying to transmute with no success. Never met a person who meditates on a daily basis yet has no humility or love to see the other person as they are. He sees everyone as he is - he’s basing everything on his own thought process and how he would react. It’s calked projecting that’s what the weak minded do!
Ok Sam now that you watch all his podcast and know his talking point, surely you can now prepare all the material you need to debunk and embarrass him in your podcast. Why not invite him on and humiliate him since you're such a responsible platformer?
for real. Seriously when did Sam get bodysnatched? It must have been 2015 because his unravelling began during trumps presidential campaign.
Idk who said it first, but Sam mentions it a lot - it takes like 50 times the effort to debunk a lie than to tell one.
This is going to be a super niche example, but this principle is perfectly exemplified in a debate a guy called Professor Dave had with some christian apologist chemist guy on origin of life research. The debate was put together pretty well, as in, the scope was narrowed down to 4 main points that would be argued. It was all agreed to beforehand. Professor Dave came with literally 100s of research papers. The apologist went "Show me this reaction. It was never done. You're clueless.", and Dave was like "No, I have it, give me a minute to find it", and as he was searching for the paper to definitively disprove the apologist's statement, the apologist made like 10 more false statements in that time.
Again, narrow scope of the debate, they came preprepared. Dave is usually incredibly rhetorically effective. Still, you cannot come on top when the person you're talking to is willing to just make shit up as they open their mouth
If intellectual honesty (rather than personal support of RFK Jr) were the motivation behind the people making this argument, don't you think there'd be at least one arguing that Kendi and Di Angelo should be debated as well?
@@dinobotpwnz Who are they?
@@dinobotpwnz DiAngelo and Kendi, in particular, have been called out to defend their positions by many intellectuals. Glenn Loury, John McWhorter, and Coleman Hughes just to name a few. All of their audiences (many of whom were undoubtedly consumers of this channel before Sam imploded, myself included), were incessantly asking for these debates specifically. It's somewhat common knowledge that neither Kendi nor DiAngelo will have any of it for obvious reasons. Don't confuse a moot point for lack of good faith.
RFK may be wrong about a LOT, but he's right about the two most important issues of the day: the need to end the war with Russia through diplomacy and the need to address global warming. Sam is deeply invested in the issue of vaccines, but it's not the only issue of importance and it's not the only position that people are or should consider when deciding who to vote for.
I long for the days where ordinary people could see clearly that someone was an unhinged nut.
speaking of mistrust, the WHO has been saying marijuana makes people violent for 100 years. why would i trust them about anything. #RFK2024
I went into his podcast with Lex wanting to disagree with him about vaccine hesitancy and ended it wanting to vote for him because he is anti-war and pro-regulatoin and refused to badmouth the left. It was actually stunning.
Anti War. That should disqualify him immediately. Is he mentally ill? War is continuous but it changes forms. It's like your immune system. RFK is therefore comparable to AIDS. How many soviet defectors do you know of? Of course the US is a war mongering country and god bless them if there is an entity capable of bless god and restricting evils like Communism and Islam. Google RFK russian payroll and have an honest look at evidence. He will probably use the Trump Russia witch-hunt to argue his innocence. The military decide on wars. They are well qualified.
good for you, it's so important to judge the guy on what he's actually saying than on hearsay
anti-war is to leak Putin ass until he gets half of Europe ?
@@mvondoom he wants to vote for him cos he's insane but you're right he saw it with his own eyes and came to his own conclusion. I'd recommend both of you study NLP and see how your subconscious mind controls you and can be manipulated by words without you having a clue. I can back up my claims with evidence. Google Sigmund Freud's nephew and the feminist movement. He proved freuds point about the subconscious. Have you heard of the experiments on epilepsy patients that had brain hemispheres separated. It was proven that a person who makes a decision based on subconscious influences when asked why they chose something the subconscious made up a reason. That's why so much money is spent on silly ads. We think we pay no attention but the subconscious has maximum control and is programmed by the most irrational things. RFK was caught out using russian photos as stock photos 🤭🤣 wooops. They have hastily been replaced. Dum ruzzis
In many ways he is a very good candidate; one of the better ones on offer. His take on vaccines in worrying, but I think he just draws some incorrect conclusions. But on just about everything else I agree with him for the most part.
You are spot on in my opinion… Great video!
It's easy to superficially appear to be spot on when you make comments like "This other guy is spreading lies that have been thoroughly debunked", without going into what exactly it is that has supposedly been debunked or how or by whom. Sam is a deeply shallow thinker. Ha, deeply shallow.
@@jonnynice8366they love to use other peoples brains and opinions to make themselves feel smart. All the while being mindless sheep....
At this point, his platform of withdrawing the war machine is enough to bring in a candidate for me. The intelligence community history speaks for itself. And i dont mind increasing public funding to the health institutions to have more restrictions on it
If you believe in science, let the science speak. Let our scientists do their job and speak to us. Isn't that what Sam also does, Try to educate? Let free speech be free! 🇺🇸
Science doesn't require belief.
Agreed
let our scientists do their job? well, their job is taking corporate money and grants from the government (aka, the same people), and twisting data into pretzels that serve profits. science is fucked. we are fucked.
@@AlanDantes76science is often conflated with religion by people who have no background in the matter
Scientists are not salesmen, the rare that come along have niches and stick to their topics usually, Neil Degrassi Tyson, Brian Cox etc, Unfortunately it's a rare few that do. I'm not sure why everyone needs to trust science, it doesn't trust itself , that's the idea. You don't grill the pilot of a plane for details of their skills you trust the institutions to do that... Suddenly vaccines and other things are not trusted. Maybe in a country where you don't get free healthcare the narrative is easier to spin. Freedom it seems comes at a heavy cost based on previous years events.
I came here as a RFK fan hoping to find balanced critiques to temper my enthusiasm. Instead Sam is misrepresenting RFKs arguments and smearing his character. I advise you to hear RFK speak about his call for prosecuting Monsanto - it was about prosecuting these individuals/corporations who were poisoning people that he was representing in court. Not a general roundup of his opponents, as Sam infers.
Yep, I caught that misrepresentation too. He straw manned him, which is sad to see Sam do.
Except they did not poison anyone. He said cellphones cause braincancer. 0 evidence of that. They may cause a slight elevated risk of another disease, but not cancer as he claimed. He got fact checked and proven wrong but joe still sucked his dick.
Sam is addressing specific things RFK jr said on All-In , Petersen and Joe Rogan, and he’s leading with facts and pointing out specific lies RFK jr as told , and Sam provides evidence and references at every turn. Look it up yourself , honestly, don’t trust me or him
He often says RFK is right on many topics. If you actually listen to this you will find that his primary point is that RFK has be caught straight up lying or severely exaggerating the truth so many times that it disqualifies him despite being right on many issues. Sam backs this up with evidence and argumentation.
It scares me to see yet another cult forming around an “anti establishment” politician. Wtf is wrong with America?
give me alink to RFK Monsanto thing, I Cant find it online
Did you do you’re journalistic research when you platformed SBF?
I don't get the traction RFKjr gets, to me it's obvious what he's doing. Great job as always.
It's a shame but I understand why you don't get the traction he gets. The way he is framed in the mainstream media is extremely misleading.
He's a modern-day hero, an absolute warrior for the truth ... and he's had his reputation destroyed because of it.
He could have chosen a much easier path.
He was extremely well regarded and voted environmentalist of the year, as long as he stuck to environmental law.
He's written a very short book called a love letter to liberals or just reading the first chapter of his The Real Anthony Fauci book might help you understand.
Cheers.
@@szililolabu His own family have publicly called his campaign “dangerous”.
@@roybatty8366 yes. I never understood that as an argument. Don't you have large disagreements with your own family?
And he's got an enormous family with hundreds.
For one, no one wants a Biden/Trump run off...second, no matter where you stand on his policies I don't think you can debate that he is not afraid to speak his mind...and to this point about lies...we are back at a very, very real problem today....when we can't agree on 'facts' where do we go/what do we do?
When you quoted Paul Offit and he said "comparing side effects of vaccinated and unvaccinated group for weeks after each does. Some subsets of vaccinated individuals were monitored for 30 years" This implies the unvaccinated are not compared to the vaccinated beyond weeks then. Moinotring a subgroup means nothing if you dont have a control to match it for equal lengths of time.
Sam doesn't look very deeply into things. If you ask him to look deeper, he'll complain that it's dangerous to platform such ideas.
You know.... because he's very rational.
and he literally claims to be a scientist WHILE calling out RFK for merely speaking on science. I honestly wonder what happened to Sam. He literally seems like he got bodysnatched. But he would no doubt tell me I've been mind controlled by Alex Jones and Kanye West for even considering RFK as a viable presidential candidate.
@@blakehawley1540 No, like everything, given enough time, he just revealed himself.
@@Closer-than-it-appears Exactly right. Harris is an intellectual 'Pied-Piper', isn't he?
My 'Awakening With Sam Harris' moment, (excuse the pun), occurred when he tried to co-opt the Hitchens fan-base to his pro-Clinton/anti-Trump campaign. He said that if we had any respect for Christopher, we should vote for Hillary Clinton and if the Hitch was still alive, he himself would have voted to put a Clinton in the Whitehouse. That was it. That's when I fully realized that he was on board with the Globalist Agenda and that he was an enemy of my kind.
Actually, I'd started having doubts before that. I felt uneasy about his handling of the 'Free-will Argument'. I'd _assumed_ that his anti-theist views were based upon a real desire to get to some objective 'truth'; an intellectual endeavour to promote human progress, if you will, but when he got onto the free-will trip, I began to suspect that he was actively systematically dismantling some of the fundamental 'anchors' underpinning Western society.
And when he tried to co-opt Hitch's fans to the cause of Liberalism, I _knew_ it.
The labels on the bottles he is selling say 'Intellectual Enlightenment' but when you imbibe the contents, all you get is darkness and despair. The 'Snake' in the Garden of Eden is a metaphor for men like Sam Harris. ;)
@@undercoveragent9889 its just the baesian approach. so much of this crap is because people dont understand on-balance probability. Sam gets it. you dont.
Feel free to step forward and debate RFK, Mr Harris. Maybe it’s time to engage RFK with your concerns or maybe hiding and sniping from safety is your only goal.
The public does not trust one-way diatribe anymore. Maybe it’s time to use that great brain in a positive manner.
Except Rogan gave RFK Jr. a 3 hr. one way ticket. And now both are stuck on Gilligan's Is.
@@buckchile614 By "one way" it means the MSM hides one side of the story while the other side does not.
"great" brain
Like RFK, Sam is not the right person to be debating on the topic of vaccines
I’d be happy to be stuck on an island with those two. Wouldn’t need the soccer ball.
You cannot learn by avoding conversations. Talk to FRK Jr.
❤❤❤The man of hope N people's leader Mr Rfk jr. 024 With VP Nicole Shanhan for peace N prosperity 🎉🎉
I would check out the Bad Faith podcast episode with Dr. Vinay Prasad (on youtube) for an actual good faith combing through of RKS Jr's vaccine claims, what he gets right/wrong, thats what I expect from you Sam, not a broad dismissal
Vinay isn't much better
@@sandcastledx but you could tell the host of Bad Faith Briahna had done a deep dive of all of RFK's arguments prior to the recording and did a good job of pressing Vinay on RFK's core concerns where he has a point, I recommend checking it out
Brett Weinstein & Heather of Darkhorse fact checked the fact check… that’s a better place to check… or at least check both …
Disappointed in you, Sam
@@saviormoney. I don't disagree, I suggested that episode not because of Vinay but because the host did a good job of representing RFK's concerns
New Darkhorse podcast goes through just three childhood vaccines and their testing, turns out RFK is at least somewhat right there.
I disagree generally with the Darkhorse views on vaccines. In the early days of MRNA, I listened to the two of them talking, and found their charlatanism almost embarrassing.
They seem smart to the gullible. Rather like RFK.
@@tonycatman Okay? Does that change anything about the facts or?
Lol get your vaccine info from the dark horse podcast 😂good luck
@@deanlockhart2800 It doesn't change the facts.
The nonsense about a vaccine->autism link has been overwhelmingly debunked.
Yet RFK still seems to be regurgitating it.
I'm suggesting that there's little point in reiterating the same facts yet again.
@@tonycatman I didn't say anything about autism, no idea what you are on about. Just because someone makes one claim that you believe is easily debunked, it doesn't mean every other claim they make is also false. RFK said childhood vaccines aren't double blind placebo tested, Darkhorse went through 3 specific vaccines and laid out how they actually were tested. Turns out RFK is not just talking out of his arse on this subject. If you have a link to a paper showing double blind placebo tested control trials for those vaccines, or any really - please share them with me. Until then I don't really care what you have to say.
Maybe you can, at some point, have him on and expose him. You call someone out and refuse them to defend themselves, but if someone smears your name on Salon (Cenk Uygur) you have a position like 'you must respond but protest the response.' Its an incredibly errogant position
Sam,
Now that he won the cell phone radiation case, would you have him as a guest?
It’s also unfortunate the debate format RFK proposes is very much missing from this critique…
Sources to be referenced in the debate are to be exchanged with the other debater(s), just as if this was disclosure in a trial. The topics would be agreed upon and the debate moderated by someone also agreed upon…
That’s the arena Hotez refuses to step into…
Harris would never be in that arena either. Harris isn’t good at debating, or reading, he’s not very good at words. Let Harris talk long enough and he buries himself. RFKJ could literally just let Harris talk the whole debate and by the end, everyone would be an RFKJ voter.
@@oldhollywoodbriaryou're joking right? harris is amazing with words. super clear and concise. that's inarguable.
that said, him deciding not to debate RFK is super disappointing at best.
Hotez is a paid public speaker. It should hardly be a thing to ask him to articulate logic and rebuttals to open scrutiny expressed by roughly half the population. The age of transparency is long overdue in this country.
Sam misrepresented several of RFK’s statements and views. This is unfortunate seeing as many believe Sam to be an honest broker of information (I certainly did in the past). If what RFK is saying is demonstrably false, all you need to do as a popular podcast host is publicly demonstrate it’s false. You could do this live or after the fact with edited inserts showing the evidence or links to it. It’s not that complicated, and hiding from debate and refusing to platform him is only indicating that there isn’t conclusive or convincing evidence against RFK’s claims.
Oh, and Sam didn’t even try to address the meat of RFK’s positions. He just selected the most sensational and controversial positions he has and made some counterarguments without RFK there to rebut. No other democratic candidate that I know of is making a peep about the corruption and corporate capture of our agencies and institutions. That alone makes me support RFK.
👍🏻
Why was thimerosal removed from vaccines, Sam?
I have a lot of respect for Sam Harris, as I do many people who prioritize truth. But that doesn't stop me from having issues with some things he say. One is the disqualification of some of the things that RFK Jr says because he's not a scientist. Why? A person can be highly informed without a college degree to back up what they say. RFK Jr stated that when you're a lawyer you need to study a subject like climate issues thoroughly or you're going to loose your case. There are plenty of people with PHD's that lie or get paid to lie. My comment is on a much broader subject than JFK Jr though. There are many people with platforms that are doing their best to inform people with facts and truths. And some of these people have issues with each other which makes things confusing and brings it back to me to decide who I'm going to believe most. I'm an RFK Jr fan, but I forced myself to listen to what Sam had to say about him for a different perspective as I've done with Joe Rogan many times when he had a guest on I couldn't stand. I always come away the better for it. Sam seems to put an undue trust in institutions and scientifically peer reviewed papers. I've had it demonstrated to me how scientifically peer reviewed papers can be falsified. There are a couple of RUclips videos on Stanislaw Burzynski.. He has discovered a scientific way to address cancer and has had much success. The FDA and AMA keep taking him to court but he keeps winning. In the second video he lays out how it's done by showing how they've done it to him. One of my methods of choosing who to believe is to follow the money. The FDA and CDC have lied to us in the past and it's usually involving an issue where someones going to make a lot of money. Another highly qualified person with a PHD who stands not to make money but instead have their career destroyed stands up and says they're lying. And not just one PHD, but many PHD's. I choose to believe the latter. We all have a good side and a bad side. The best people have learned to not let their bad side out in public but deal with and correct it in privacy. The worst among us either don't have the capacity to even identify and deal with it or just don't care that they let it out in public and foul the environment for everyone. Sam if the former as are all my friends and people I choose to let influence me to a good end. That's about all we can do.
I think you should have him on your podcast. It is important that JFK jr. is not only interviewed by microphone holders and people who agree with him. You should have him on for an extended session, and you should question him like you do with people you don’t agree with.
But then Sam can’t knock down all these straw men he props up. Sam Harris sucks now.
@@danparish1344 we can't blame sam. he's just acting the way he was destined to, as free will is an illusion. joking aside, i don't think Kennedy is rousing a mood of suspicion as much as he's putting a face to the name. i don't know wether its the correct face, but it would be interesting to see a real debate between both sides. surely a professional vaccine scientist can site real and accessible scientific literature to debunk what RFK Jr is saying, and yet all i hear is "nobody should debate RFK jr" which rouses more suspicion than anything RFK is saying.
@@Jiraiyasama11its already been done numerous times since he denied HIV was a thing.
@@Miguel...160when did he claim HIV wasn't a thing? Primary sources please!
@@Miguel...160 are you saying he denies the existence of HIV?
So it’s a “he said/she said” situation. How do we know Tapper is telling the truth? Unfortunately, disseminating the truth is incredibly difficult these days because we don’t know who’s lying. I would still love for you to interview RFK because if he’s lying, he needs to be confronted. Debates are healthy and necessary.
Sam will never have the stones to debate RFKJ; he knows he’d lose.
@@oldhollywoodbriaryou're delusional
@@diane9656 Sam Harris fans never say where RFK Jr is wrong because they know they can’t debate; they just make ad hominem attacks. You clowned yourself.
@@oldhollywoodbriar .Sam has already said it dohhhh, I agree with him. That's explanation enough. It's the same with Trump, the truth is out there, no explanation needed on my distain for him either
@@diane9656 why can’t you say where he is wrong? Oh I forgot, you like sam Harris which means you don’t understand words. Once again, you clown yourself every time you fail to respond. Harris fans never read, never question, never debate. You are cowards.
Used to be an avid listener of Sam. Let’s just say not so much these days…
Which flavor of Kool Aid did you drink? Grape or Dip$hit?
your loss
@@crombee8947I'm sure they're plenty of other people that will tell you what you want to hear.
I feel like skepticism towards science is crucial for good evidence base practice. A while ago a harvard researcher was accused of falsifying data. Not to mention big pharmas research leaves a lot to be desired.
I'd love to see Sam interview RFK Jr on all these issues and points. He seems like a great & genuine candidate, but then again politicians are supposed to seem that way.
Yet none of them have lately.
What’s remarkable about RFK is that his personality, and the views he expresses, are just as consistent during his candidacy as they were 5 years ago, except in cases where he has changed his mind when presented with a better argument. I know because I’ve followed him closely for many years.
Say what you will about his specific views, but he truly is honest and authentic, and will express his actual opinion regardless of who he may alienate.
As we all know, expressing doubts about the safety and efficacy of vaccines is amongst the strictest of cultural taboos, yet RFK is willing to provide his actual opinion regardless of its high cost to his reputation.
If he’s willing to spend the high cost of airing his views on such a controversial topic, you can bet he’ll tell you what you honestly thinks on issues that carry less stigma.
RFK truly is the real deal.
@@JarrodDSchneider I agree. I read people for a living. Body language, inflection, eye contact, etc...
RFK is the most genuine man I've ever seen run for president in my 38 years of life. I've seen him admit mistakes, apologize for them on television, and he never insults, debases or makes fun of anyone else. He's the real fuckin deal and as they say in poker, I'm going all in. All my chips are betting on RFK jr.
RFK is very well advertised right now; he’s also the novelty kid on the block; so many are being romanced by him; I just listen to what he says; and based on the facts I know from those more informed than him, he’s most def a BS artist.
nope, he does putin's talking points and had pedo scott ritter on, twice!
go look at the comments of the RFK Lex Friedman episode. It’s open debate, it’s humanist, it’s dialogue. That’s all any of us former fans of Sam want to see him engage in. Not these one sided gutter sniping episodes where he just talks crap. That’s really all we want the rest of his fans to see, Sam is shutting down, deleting his twittter deciding that he won’t talk to certain people and saying things like “if it comes to that” I’ll talk to RFK…. It’s like Sam buddy the world is leaving you behind your influence is shirking incredibly fast. I’m just saying Sam needs to open up and get back to the nuts and bolts debates that brought us all to him.
He made his bag already though. He is like the 50 cent of debating.
Thank you... well said.
"It's open debate, it's humanist, it's dialogue"
No, it's not, it's a waste of time consisting of one man spouting absolute nonsense. Nonsense doesn't need to be dwelled on, nor deserves to be amplified.
This moronic take is literally what this 26 minute clip is addressing. And it's like you didn't even bother to listen.
@@sb_dunk …. I have no idea why you feel the need to step in and white knight for another grown man who used to stand for (basically) what Lex is doing now. It’s not about this episode, it’s about Sam clearly loosing the pulse and plot of what’s going with the picture here in America. And he choosing isolationism more and more which is kinda becoming a joke. That’s the bigger picture here.
Based on this comment section, it appears that Sam has missed the mark here with his audience. He needs to have RFKJ on the podcast, prepared to shoot down his claims as he says can easily be done, or stop talking about him.
Why does he need to have him on the show? Nothing is stopping RFK from making a rebuttal video to Sam's podcast if Sam is misrepresenting him on the facts.
ppl come here for laughs, not information
False, Sam is a part of podcastland where alot of his "peers" have had a certain guest on their show, him talking about this guy in light of that is totally understandable.
He quite literally says the opposite. He says that loosely founded "I'm just asking questions"-statements can not be properly refuted within a limited amount of time. It's like me claiming that unicorns exist and showing you some records of sightings and some blurry photos that for sure look like they could be unicorns. That's all a very quick process, but for you to prove that unicorns do in fact not exist would take years and years of extremely hard work and could not be done in a sentence or two
Why? So that he can submit to audience capture? Who unironically argues for audience capture? Audience capture is just being a shill for your customers-no better than being a shill for your employer or sponsor.
The irony of a guy, who’s not a doctor or a scientist, saying we shouldn’t talk to him about vaccines because he’s not a scientist or a doctor, is awesome
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Harris
He received a Ph.D. in cognitive neuroscience in 2009 from the University of California, Los Angeles,[27][30][31] using functional magnetic resonance imaging to conduct research into the neural basis of belief, disbelief, and uncertainty.[27][31] His thesis was titled The Moral Landscape: How Science Could Determine Human Values. His advisor was Mark S. Cohen.[32]
@@emeahan I’m not sure what I care less about in that statement
@@Conroy13 Regardless, you made a false statement so I was pointing it out. He may not be a day-to-day scientist but he at least was trained up to the PhD level.
@@emeahan the whole point is you should “listen to the experts” but he’s not an expert in this field. Studying why believe what they believe is a lot different than studying infectious disease. And I have a PhD in economics; most of my peers were brain dead. It’s literally a useless barometer of judgment; it is a barometer of compliance, due diligence and hard work. All valuable traits in context.
FWIW I think anyone who is smart can have an opinion and be respected despite not being a specialist in that field. In fact general knowledge high IQ people tend to see multi variate analysis better than those trained thru a specialized lens. My contention is with him and his myopic atheistic arrogant pompousness that never admits fault nor acknowledges uncertainty. This the sort of intellectual elitism that divides and conquers mankind