Why An Xbox Handheld Makes Perfect Sense - Next-Gen Console Watch
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- Опубликовано: 21 сен 2024
- Welcome back to Next-Gen Console Watch. This week Daemon is joined my Max from the PlayStation Beyond podcast, and Ryan from IGN's Podcast Unlocked. This week the trio discuss rumors of an Xbox handheld, and why it actually makes sense for Microsoft. Obviously the Nintendo Switch's success has changed the industry, and Valve's Steam Deck has set off a wave of handheld PC imitators-can Xbox also strike gold with a dedicated handheld of their own? And should Sony follow suit following the launch of their PlayStation Portal streaming device? Plus we go over last week's poll, and have a new poll for you tol vote on at IGN.com.
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The Xbox handheld should include a port to input your Seagate SSD drive. Play your Installed games by unplugging and putting it into your handheld.
Smart idea
That's something id hear from 2012 console leaks😭
t@@theholypickle4861 riddenuks account is 17 years old so maybe you're right
That would be sweet.
@@Sil07__ I’m an OG Xbox player and in Ryan and Destin’s age group 👍🏻
Everyone thought handhelds were dead and now suddenly everyone wants to make their own handhelds.
no they didnt
@@kidrobot. Gamers didn’t think so, but the industry most definitely didn’t take handheld gaming seriously until the Switch.
No everyone didn't. Competing with with Nintendo in the handheld space is the big hurdle.
That's because mobile gaming never really took off like it was expecting to. iPhone and Android games are still pretty much full to the brim of P2W GACHAs and simple touch screen puzzle games.
At best, there are Sega Mega Drive, SNES, and PS1 ports of those classic on phones, but that can be just as easily done with a handheld emulator anyway, and aren't pushing the capabilities of phones very much.
It’s because from the beginning all gamers wanted was to take their games anywhere. The technology has finally caught up to take PC/Console quality games anywhere. Not the watered down weaker portable experience we had to deal with.
They need to create Gaming focused WIndows
It's weird that they haven't already. They're losing game sales and market share to Steam despite owning the OS that most PC games are designed around and simultaneously owning one of the three major console brands. They have already done most of the work; they just haven't bothered to invest in an interface that bridges the gap between Windows and XBOX.
I've said similar. for a long time, the vanilla windows on most pc's constantly break stuff want to update your system in the middle of a game, bloated with too many processes running making power users have to tweak this stuff for many years, xbox uses the same os and dx stack just highly optimized more for games they should be able to do that on windows have it boot up to a gaming only mode if not xbox compatible
*How can you ever look through them then?*
Preach
They can put the Xbox OS into a handheld just like SteamOS on Steam Deck.
Imagine the new Halo LAN parties that will be remembered in years if this happens
An Xbox handheld would be absolutely brilliant! It would need at least 16GB GDDR6 RAM along with an AMD Z1 extreme APU (or the Z1 extreme successor) with at least 256GB of NVME SSD storage. If they could release a portable console for $350 or less it'd definitely be a massive success. The OS would be the best part, if they could make it run the same OS as the Xbox Series X|S we'd have an extremely capable handheld Xbox. The worst part of the Asus ROG Ally is it runs windows which is just too bloated and convoluted for a dedicated handheld gaming machine. Come on @Xbox make us an incredible Xbox handheld console ✌️
The biggest thing would be if it had Steam.
It would be dope especially since they never had handheld devices before
It would be a disaster. Sony failed and you think Microsoft can find success? Xbox is already struggling to sell their home consoles, an Xbox handheld will be a disaster especially with PC handhelds now available in market.
@@redring4083 valid point
@@redring4083Sony failed cause it wasn't really a console
@@redring4083sony failed during a time when handhelds weren’t as popular. People actually want them now.
Every handheld is a console if it was designed to play video games
The PS Portable is a waste of money. You can’t use it without having your PlayStation on.
Nintendo Switch is the reason Sony and MS are exploring portable gaming (that's it!)
Yessir the switch did it so perfect they are now a blue print
Nintendo always sets the trends, Sony and Microsoft have never had an original idea in their lives
Of course! Famously, portable gaming didn't exist before the switch
@@BarryRerack147Nintendo made it popular way before the switch
@@uriahnewtton7312 Big news if true
Xbox handheld? Gimme now please.
If for the current gen the question is, with all the discussions around increased game development costs, how will Microsoft convince third-party studios to support one more hardware?
they dont need to. its x86 based after all .
It will be like supporting Steam and PC
Xbox needs to focus on releasing more games 1st than more hardware
This is a fact haven't turned on my Xbox since the holidays as PS5 is killing the game
Wym? Sony has released more hardware than exclusives this generation so far
@@gearardlefore There haven't been exclusive games for PS5 as well a lot of games that is released by playstation is also available in PS4 so there is no reason to buy PS5 as well.
@@Blu-Izzy PlayStation has been making sure we have games
This year already we have
Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth
Granblue Fantasy Relink
Rise of the Ronin
Stellar Blade (4/26)
Helldivers 2
Ultros
@@nathanjuan6042 Those PS4 games look and play much better on PS5, PS5 has the better games hands down
They should make a PC & console hybrid
That's the idea, Phil Spencer wants PC games on xbox. Imagine the Steam library on an Xbox handheld, you can play Playstation games on it.
Nah that would own Xbox ecosystem up to hacking
Steam deck app instead?
YESSS
Valve wouldn't pass it up. Unfortunately Microsoft might want the handheld locked down so they can get more Xbox Store exclusives and Xbox Pass.
Problem is you can't go into a store to buy one
All of these so-called handhelds will fall against Switch 2 and Microsoft will especially fail in handhelds just as they did in consoles lmao.
exactly. you can already stream to the deck.
How about improving windows for portables or even making a gamepass Linux app? We don't need another handheld
They're all going to have hybrid systems mark my words. Within the next 5-10 years all the consoles will be hybridized.
the problem is if youre going to buy an xbox handheld, why not just buy a windows handheld which doesnt lock you into xbox
Because you'd be able to carry over your digital library on Xbox and play all of your Xbox console games on the go with cross-buy, cross-save, and everything. Most games you buy on your Xbox cannot be played on PC without repurchasing the same game.
Also, unlike something like the Steam Deck, an Xbox handheld would have native Game Pass support. While PC handhelds like the ROG Ally and the Lenovo Legion GO have Game Pass support as well, using Windows on a handheld is cumbersome in general and a modified version of the Xbox OS would be better.
wasn't Xbox game pass app available on Steam deck? so you can already port your save over that way?@@jimmythegamer2231
@@jimmythegamer2231your Steam, Origin, Uplay, Gog, etc. library does the same thing. There are more people on PC than on Xbox. Xbox is a dying brand and the nail on that coffin was hit back during the idiotic Xbox One reveal. Don Mattrick killed Xbox with that utter stupidity.
Honestly they should just overhaul the Xbox App on the PC to run Xbox OS or something similar. Like steam big picture mode.
Then Microsoft could make its own handheld that ran windows.
People say they won't buy it, then the Pro will come out and be sold out for months. Just like the PS Portal
The hardware is catching up so fast
Now we need to focus on the software
The Xbox guy worried about PS5 Pro sales, I'm speechless at the level of projection
It’s a valid point, especially if the price isn’t right.
They are desperate. They never worry about Xbox that’s why they are in last place.
@@AllThingsInfamous1 yet ps is struggling, but hey whatever narrative you need to get through the day.
@@robfI'd say Xbox is struggling.
@@AllThingsInfamous1actually second place, after Tencent.
MS can't even sell their home consoles, and they want to compete with the Steamdeck and Switch? 😂
Hopefully Microsoft realize no one cares about playing cloud gaming with input lag a dedicated handheld that run Windows OS and Xbox OS at the same time would be great
Never. Having both os would open Xbox os to hacking via windows side .
Why get a Xbox handheld when you can get a steam deck or a similar thing?
The moment Microsoft released all of their games on PC is the moment the Xbox died.
If Microsoft releases this, its the final nail to Xbox
It’s your time to shine xbox(make Xbox os accessible to everyone on steam deck,Rog ally,legion go, etc)
Imagine PS5 portable, playing ps5 games at 1080p 30FPS using PSSR upscaling from 720p.
I'd snap up a handheld Game Pass machine. Needs to be powered though not cloud based
Absolutely!
Also, you guys talk about quality what level of quality would we get. Think if we get modern AAA games on the go how are you going to store something so large. You’re going to need giant built in storage to do so 512 MB won’t get it you need at least 1 TB to be honest. That balloons the cost of your platform. Again, back to quality you want AAA quality visuals well, you’re going to need a heck of a processor and stuff cost comes into play again that stuff ain’t cheap, especially when you shrink it down on a handheld. Nintendo is able to provide the experience they do because they scaled back on all of those things you don’t get a huge storage space when you buy an Nintendo switch because you didn’t need one their games aren’t that big because they scaled back the quality of the graphics. The system can produce. It’s popular it sells, but guess what you can’t get on there you can’t get a modern AAA game to run on it. Look at MK 1 remember how people showed off those visuals how compared visuals they looked like crap. The publisher was happy to sell you the game if you would buy it on a Nintendo switch, but boy they were not excited about how it looked. None of those visuals were showed off in a commercial.
What microsoft should do is to allow PC games to run on Xbox....that would be a game changer
Outdated doesn't mean it's not in the works lol. He didn't deny it. He simply said the plans everyone saw was outdated and not updated
Xbox Handheld & a PS Vita 2!!!
don't see the psvita2 happening
Why mention the steandeck and not the rog ally
Will only make sense if fully integrated with Steam
Won't buy otherwise
Bring back the Zune!!
Don't give me that hope.
Bring back the games
Zune?
@@MrDavidRicketts Google is free
this is gonna be awesome
Phones literally do this already so if it's just a game pass device it is dumb and a waste of resources.
The sheep however will still gather 😅
You can play steam games on your phone? How?
Tell me which phones can play console level type games? YOU CANT
@@alexha2884 iphone 15 pro has native ps4 level hardware (ps4 pro* in some instances if optimized correctly ) but if the OP is referring too cloud based softwear we are talking 4080 rtx level graphics in your pocket esp with how fast wifi is getting nationally
@@ICon-sy7go geforce now
4:28: Sony's PSP couldn't compete with the DS and the VITA was so kicked in the teeth by the 3DS that Sony literally left the handheld business. Sony's track-record with handhelds is worse than Microsoft's with consoles. Much worse. He's a Sony fanboy for suggesting otherwise.
It exist already, it's called a steam deck.
It's called the ROG Ally
Unbeatable tbh lol.. You can't replicate the original.
Nah steam store don't got all games the Xbox store and other stores have, even popular ones nice try thou 👍
@@Space97.rog ally, all your storefronts & damn near every Xbox game can be played on pc in some form another ie emulation lol. Xbox is useless 💀
Steam Deck hardware looks kinda outdated already. The OLED SD version looks neat though.
The Steam Deck is a portable Xbox at this point. You even get access to Sony games too. The OLED version is so much better than the original it’s crazy it’s the same price. Go Steam!
That’s why they discontinued the original, they’re on sale right now btw they tryna clear out their backstock
No it won't. Does anyone at IGN do some basic research at all. The data and numbers can easily be found.
Xbox is already struggling in the home console market (a market where they actually have experience). The last thing they should do is enter a completely new market where they have no prior experience. Not to mention there is a reason why Sony left the handheld market. There is a reason why Nintendo is only one that has done well in the handheld market and why PC handhelds can work as they have their own group of customers.
Also now that PC handhelds are a thing and both Microsoft and Sony are releasing their games on PC, why would anyone want to buy an Xbox handheld when you can get a handheld PC?
The reason Sony left is because their games, unlike Nintendo games, rely on cutting edge graphics and storytelling. They don’t offer much besides that, and a handheld with the needed power for the type of AAA games they make would cost 800-1000 dollars, easily.
No one wants a handheld PC. The average consumer doesn't even want a Steam Deck. They want to go to Target and get their grandkid a device that works out of the box and doesn't have granular setup options, doesn't need fiddling for compatibility, has plug and play peripherals that don't require you to open the case if you do anything to it, etc.
All of the game console companies are making tons of money, and Microsoft is Microsoft. They can send some people over from the Surface division for a few months to design a far better handheld than Steam Deck. Microsoft's resources are insane.
IGN and research don’t go together😂😂
Xbox handheld with Xbox exclusive only system like Nintendo Switch will flop hard like MSI Claw. I’m 100% sure that’s an accurate guess, now call me a prophet.😂
Can’t call you smart
@@ICon-sy7go Fair enough. I'm not smart, I'm a prophet. 🤣
You don’t even need to be a profit to know that an Xbox handheld will flop hard against Switch 2 😂😂
@@Adamtendo_player_1 I don't think Switch 2 is different in this topic. As long as they will not follow the trend of windows/linux OS handhelds and will still be an exclusive system they will all flop hard. 🤷
2:18 "They want to meet you wherever you are..." unless your games are on a disc, then you can piss right off.
Xbox will end up having more console versions than the amount that it sells
😂 😂so they have millions of console versions? 😂😂
Sony currently have 4 console versions, including the Portal thing makes up 5.
..and Sony still have to release the PS5 pro. Makes it total 6 hardware playing devices.
Xbox currently only has 2 hardware playing devices.
Nobody will buy it but people are expecting one to be included with their gamepass subscription
Would you rather play GTA6 on a PS5 Pro, or an Xbox Series Handheld?
With Gen Z and Alpha being brought up on touch screen phone/tablet/ipad gameplay, mobile gaming still isn’t quite what people thought it would be but it helped pave the way. Too many smaller games and android based games, yes some can heavy graphics
Need a mobile windows focused on gaming before a handheld Xbox.
There’s no reason why Microsoft hasn’t done this until now.
Handheld would be much more revolutionary in the gaming space pal
It's incredible how commercially successful the PS Portal has been in contrast to how it's been covered by game's media. People are loving it as it is, but it's never gotten a positive mention in these shows.
For a niche device it is selling well, they keep trying to compare its sales to the console which doesn’t make sense.
Ps5 should of seen what happen to the wii u. Playstation portal was dead on arrival, wii u taught us that
I’ll definitely get this if it can play game pass games offline
This needs to happen and the PSP needs to come back... not whatever PS put out recently...
With Gen Z and Alpha being brought up on touch screen phone/tablet/ipad gameplay, mobile gaming still isn’t quite what people thought it would be but it helped pave the way. Too many smaller games and android based games, yes some can heavy graphics. Us millennials grew up on gameboy, gamegear, psp/vita’s.
I ditched my gaming pc for a gaming laptop in the fall and just ditched that tonight for the legion go
3:56 lol what? There's been plenty of rumours 😂
people really sleep on the backbone and xbox remote play on it. quick resume on the backbone is elite
The next Switch is rumored to be priced around 400-450$. How expensive would a Xbox Handheld be???
299
@@sebastiancastellanos3575 how
first they need games people actually wanna play
Ever since the Switch took off and is on track to dethrone the PS2 as the bestselling console every company wants a slice of that pie. There is a rumor that this handheld console will launch the same day as the next gen at home Xbox which Microsoft is teasing to be a massive technical leap when compared to the Xbox Series X.
An Xbox Handheld will flop just like the actual Xbox is doing right now.
There are and will simply be better handheld alternatives by the time an Xbox handheld materializes AND have all of Xbox's formerly exclusive games.
nor formerly. xbox excs still exist. ignore pc. nobody plays on pc
If companies and players adopt all MS ideas, it will be the end of video games
The surface team is working on a handheld and if they bring steam to the Xbox store that’s checkmate..
steam to the xbox would be a complete solution. Of course, there would still be licensing issues, no way you're getting PS5 games on the xbox that way, but it would allow me to get rid of my gaming computer.
Portable game systems will take over homey
They need to crates great games. Nobody cares about a handheld. Just waste more money and leave gaming sooner Xbox.
Would definitely buy an Xbox Handheld!
DOA unless it supports Steam, EGS etc... Microsoft needs make a handheld friendly version of Windows first and foremost. The Microsoft handheld can't be just Game Pass and MS first party games.
Please Xbox make exclusive games & first party games to
A handheld Xbox would be my 1st Xbox
Ill start taking notice when Microsoft release a gaming device that matches the 360 in terms of overall experience
With the monstrous success of the Nintendo switch and the positive reception of valves steam deck, it seems portable gaming is the next evolution of home consoles.
In the past portable gaming has always played second fiddle to home consoles because portable systems just weren’t capable enough to play such big titles, but that is changing now.
Sony and Microsoft should embrace this change with the PS6 and the next Xbox. The technology should be up to the mark by the time those systems arrive, so they should start working on it now.
You can’t compare Denise steam deck to the Nintendo Switch at all when it comes to success the switch has been ridiculously successful. The steam deck doesn’t even come close. The steam deck only appeals to PC gamers and those who are part of the steam community it doesn’t have the wide appeal of the Nintendo Switch and its exclusives.
Time for microsoft to just merge PC and Xbox into one with this handheld so its more profitable. It just doesnt make sense to be xbox exclusive anymore because the studios they bought also releases for PC. Its different from ps where their studios only cater to consoles previously and mostly japanese. If thats the case it will be the best handheld because it has xbox, pc library and the option for MS to develop specific titles for this handheld which will beat out its competition.
nobody cares about pc
Well a Xbox handheld would really nice because it would make some people be able to play that are away from their Xbox console more easier. Its crazy how like 20 years ago or less they only had the original Xbox and now they have a Xbox handheld and a new console, man so many years have just flew by with the snap of a finger.
MS makes money on software and services (game subscriptions). They lose money on console hardware. So why does an XB handheld make any sense?
more audience
Everyone forgets the PSP had its own watered down games not full ones. Killzone being the biggest example psp vs ps2 version. Vita did it better but still did it, smaller versions of games
I'm not going to lie this Xbox handheld is probably the only exciting thing I've heard about the Xbox brand lol.
Other than that news they really offer nothing
Xbox handheld is a great idea!
It will only make sense if we (Xbox players) can plug our external memory cards in it so we can play our Xbox games library on it natively.
Xbox and handheld market
This could be the resurrection of the hand held market as sony isn't gonna take it seriously soon enough till it they see others shining
Xbox has no games you gon do google docs on that handheld or what? 😂
Game pass?
No games? Dropped 7 last year to Sonys 2, dropping 10 this year to Sonys 1. Maybe get a clue?
@@TheBean87what Starflop and Redfall? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂💀
@@Onyyyxx how can a game be a flop when it made its budget back in less than 3 months on steam sales alone…maybe get a clue?
First party releases on Xbox 2024..
Cod
Hellblade 2
Indiana Jones
Avowed
Ara
Fable (not 100% confirmed though)
Clockwork revolution
South of midnight
Towerborne
Might have overlooked some game/games.
Sony, 0 (ZERO!) first party game releases 2024.
But is it console quality? 😊
PSP and vita didn’t catch on because devs needed to develop different games instead of ports
It makes sense because they have a huge backlog of xbox games through gamepass that people would like to casually play.
Many games, especially older ones are not worth sitting in a living room to play them .. their fun on handheld.
10:45 we are having alot of games now releaseing with ONLY a 30fps option. thats why we need a refresh but a 10% increase just isnt enough based on paper documents
Xbox needs to get it together
As a p.c player would be down if they do
It already exist, steam deck.
Microsoft can hire the best Engineers to develop Xbox Series Go Portable & Dock
"Xbox has had great hardware since the 360 refresh" *IF you don't count the absolutely dire quality control on the Elite Controllers
Maybe if we show enough interest MS will actually make it
PS PORTAL will sell more than the Xbox Surface Handheld
Says alot about the portal fanbase 😂
And sony count those sales as console sales..
Switch 2 will be better.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Not much interest in playing on a small screen. Big screen TV all the way.
sorry every controller on the market is already setup to work with Xbox, just make the experience better. Sony will drop an updated Vita or psp and will smoke it in hardware sales like they do everything else. Microsoft should focus on the experience thats where they have the advantage.
We need a gaming focused windows OS. The legion go, ally and other windows handheld need this support.
Because, Money
My phone is more console than my pc sadly
The tech advancement moves so damn quickly now.. 😅
It's called a steam deck
What killed the Vita was not people not wanting consoles like gaming on a handheld it was the over priced proprietary memory Sony did
It's called your phone
When is Replaced being released?
What? It wouldn't be a problem but it doesn't make perfect sense when they are on third place in the console race and it might as well be Steam Deck...
Somehow them being third place in console sales invalidates the value of a handheld?
It worked for Nintendo when they were down in console sales. Now they’re number one by far.
@@jimmythegamer2231it invalidates the value of an Xbox handheld, Xbox is a dying brand
@@GoldChainGaming-ou9bqdying eh? That’s why it’s ms 3rd biggest revenue maker.
@@jimmythegamer2231 Didn't say that... Read again.
Nah because it would be locked down and unable to play emulators and non MS PC games.
Just setup my Lenovo Legion Go! Loving it vs my gaming laptop
cool
Valve Steam Deck Oled 2 will be superd