Daher's new TBM 930 is equipped with the most sophisticated electronic stability protection system we've seen yet. In this AVweb video, Paul Bertorelli checks out the system.
[PAUL]: Open the pod bay doors, HAL. HAL: I'm sorry, [Paul]. I'm afraid I can't do that. [PAUL]: What's the problem? HAL: I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do. [PAUL]: What are you talking about, HAL? ;)
I guess it is no coincidence that self driving cars and planes have arrived on the scene at the same time considering the level of electronics we now have. it is truly amazing tech. I can see a time when there will be a D(destination)FR rating that allows anyone to fly with a single button press... What am I talking about? I mean voice command.. Home James!
Abosultely love the 930 & 940. Only problem - I’m not sure I would purchase a single engine turbo prop of this size , when I can get into a phenom 100 for the same price….. assuming both planes are new.
The Phenom requires, a type rating, higher operating costs, higher airport service fees, and I’m sure much higher insurance premiums for single pilot operations than the 930. The 940 now has the auto land feature that would enhance the survivability of passengers for a plane with only one pilot. Just my two cents
IronViking TBM is smaller but faster. Burns less fuel. Feels better to fly. Built more strong. Engine installation is more reliable. Toilet is optional but you shall loose last two seats.
My impression is the TBM could be likened to a Fast Mustang or Camero. The PC-12 could be looked at as the high end Expedition or Suburban. 4wd of course. Both are premium brands however have a different mission capability. The TBM is 50 or 60 knots faster. The PC 12 is bigger, will carry more weight, farther. Each has a different mission profile from the other but both are exceptional aircraft. Which is best for you? It depends on what you want to do with it. They both have the magnificent PT 6 engine which as long as you take care of it, will keep you alive for a long long time. I personally would love to have 1 of each. Hope this helps.
Don't understand 2:20: VMO is 266 kts. If you exceed that speed, the servos will kick in and pitch the plane up to lower speed. - I thought the plane had a maximum operation speed of around 330 kts?
Like amoussac said, one is Indicated Airspeed (266 kts IAS) and the other is True Airspeed (330 kts TAS). Indicated airspeed comes from the pitot tube which basically measures the air pressure generated by your forward motion through the air. As your altitude increases and air becomes less dense this pitot pressure measurement becomes lower even as your actual speed through the air remains the same. However the pitot pressure measurement is what matters to the structural integrity of the aircraft since it this measurement that corresponds to the aerodynamic forces applied to the airframe. So as you go higher you can go faster without overstressing the airframe. The True Airspeed tells you how fast you're actually traveling relative to the surrounding air, it's your actual airspeed.
Turner9090 There’s no other explanation. I think you’re right, it’s a cheap & “automated” (not disturbing ATC) way to convey a possible emergency to ATC/departure/flight following.
The turn will aid in a fast decent without having to pitch nose down and overspeed the plane. Picture fighters turning off from formation and descending fast.
The system on the TBM is quite a bit more sophisticated than any 737 , except for the non included A/T. Also the MCAS never really malfunctioned. At least Socata had the "ingenuity" to actually do a new type certificate for the TBM, and not try to apply something fron a previous model.
I see Chicago on Your GPS... Your Not To many miles from KDUH, where I'm near too, for a reference! I love the TBM's..... A dream airship for most of Us! Still? it's Nice too have a Dream!
Just talking out of my rear end here, but say you needed to travel 1200 nm while carrying a payload of let's say 600 kilograms and at times flying no more than 50 feet above the sea, with takeoffs & landing on 1500 feet dirt strips would this be the plane for that trip? I'm just asking, not that I would in any way need to make a flight like that, just asking?????
@@Star-xx5zr: Wrong this guy went to school in Californication. And learned to ask the stupidest questions because he has no idea where to find the answers. And all his teachers were feminist with a degree in stupid.
IF JFK JUNIOR HAD THAT"LEVEL FLIGHT BUTTON",they 'd be all alive,great feature,at the press of a button,it will level the plane,correct the speed.......GREAT TOOL!!!!!
Closed block of airspace with a controller and a minimum of two traffic alert systems allow them to film without as much looking out. ATC knows what they are doing and is looking out for them.
Brandon Wright There was a TBM crash in 2014. Pilot says he needs "lower" due to an "indication" but doesn't declare an emergency. Busy controller doesn't immediately grant the request. Flight goes silent and ends up overflying its Florida destination then Cuba and crashes in the ocean. Like Stewart, the intercepting aircraft report fogged/frozen. Windows. There is ATC recordings available. Hard to listen to. But good training material. Here is the wiki page en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_SOCATA_TBM_crash
After I graduate from aviation school, hopefully my daddy will buy me a TBM 930. He owns a very successful business. He should spend some of that money on me.
Great intentions here but this can lead to complacency. Much of the attitude limiting features here are somewhat similar to Airbus and its debatable if those have ever contributed to the prevention of an incident. Air Asia still went down only because the co-pilot failed to control the aircraft after the auto-pilot disengaged. A complacent pilot will crash an aircraft regardless of the systems available to help them. Beware of the dog in the cockpit, know your systems, and stay current.
Aviatr23 You are right about complacency creeping in with automation, but it is way forward. Aircrafts are going to be more and more automated with time. Since Airbus did it, there has been an ongoing debate over it. But the reality is that all new aircrafts are adopting envelope protection, though control laws may differ a bit. Modern aviators have to adapt with change in technology and use of automation has to become an important part of airmanship.
Vikash K Thakur I agree that this type of technology is more prevelant but I disagree we should adapt to technology. We should always remain in control of the technology we utilize. I'm not necessarily against having this type of thing in the cockpit but I am against relying upon it and placing our competence to the side. Airmanship should always have its foundation in stick and rudder and in dead reckoning and pilotage skills. We will have to adapt to technology only if we allow it. That day may be coming but I dread it because I do not think we will be any safer for it.
I don't know why they haven't added emergency landing for a disabled pilot. A crashed TBM can't be repossessed or recovered. Wouldn't ya think it would be cheap to add that to its abilities. Consider the alternative. A useless piece of million dollar garbage.
I'm an audio engineer and the fact that they skimp out on a decent mic and a better bitrate for those $1000 headphones and really expensive radio kits is infuriating to no end. However He is likely recording with a small mic sitting in one of the ear cups and I doubt there's a lot of Audio processing done on the videos
Авто/Мото
Amazed at the improvements. Love the LEVEL button if someone is confused. Outstanding.
It's a beautiful aircraft in and out.
Features are very well explained.
[PAUL]: Open the pod bay doors, HAL.
HAL: I'm sorry, [Paul]. I'm afraid I can't do that.
[PAUL]: What's the problem?
HAL: I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do.
[PAUL]: What are you talking about, HAL?
;)
Nice job on the retrofit program.
Awesome system. Daher is way above the other mfg's.
if I take a nap longer than I intended will it fly me home and tuck me into bed.
Flight Jason, yes, but don't expect a "Happy Ending".
Where should we send cards of condolence? 😛
Yes, that is included as a standard option, but you'll have to go to your local Rub N' Tug for a happy ending
I've been flying this plane around in the new Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020. It's a really newbie-friendly aircraft in that game.
I hope the Garmin system works better in real life than its current implementation in MSFS 2020.
@@tuppswahey some of my aircraft in xplane 11 have it almost perfectly modeled
@@tuppswahey there's a mod by working title that really helps out the stock g3000 and they are updating it frequently
How does the stall speed protection work? Does it have auto throttle? Or is it a nose down adjustment?
Cirrus perspective pilot should feel so easy during the 930 transition
I guess it is no coincidence that self driving cars and planes have arrived on the scene at the same time considering the level of electronics we now have. it is truly amazing tech. I can see a time when there will be a D(destination)FR rating that allows anyone to fly with a single button press... What am I talking about? I mean voice command.. Home James!
How much is the price for the TBM 930?
Abosultely love the 930 & 940.
Only problem - I’m not sure I would purchase a single engine turbo prop of this size , when I can get into a phenom 100 for the same price….. assuming both planes are new.
The Phenom requires, a type rating, higher operating costs, higher airport service fees, and I’m sure much higher insurance premiums for single pilot operations than the 930. The 940 now has the auto land feature that would enhance the survivability of passengers for a plane with only one pilot. Just my two cents
Nice aircraft. If I had the money, I would buy this one.
You mean you don't have a paltry $4.1 million? :)
How would you compare this plane to the Pilatus PC-12NG?
IronViking TBM is smaller but faster. Burns less fuel. Feels better to fly. Built more strong. Engine installation is more reliable. Toilet is optional but you shall loose last two seats.
It's faster, smaller, less range, less payload, and less money.
My impression is the TBM could be likened to a Fast Mustang or Camero. The PC-12 could be looked at as the high end Expedition or Suburban. 4wd of course. Both are premium brands however have a different mission capability. The TBM is 50 or 60 knots faster. The PC 12 is bigger, will carry more weight, farther. Each has a different mission profile from the other but both are exceptional aircraft. Which is best for you? It depends on what you want to do with it. They both have the magnificent PT 6 engine which as long as you take care of it, will keep you alive for a long long time. I personally would love to have 1 of each. Hope this helps.
so no stunt maneuvers :(
Can't wait to fly one in the new Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020, hopefully by December 2020. I just hope Asobo Studios have modeled it well.
Don't understand 2:20: VMO is 266 kts. If you exceed that speed, the servos will kick in and pitch the plane up to lower speed. - I thought the plane had a maximum operation speed of around 330 kts?
Like amoussac said, one is Indicated Airspeed (266 kts IAS) and the other is True Airspeed (330 kts TAS). Indicated airspeed comes from the pitot tube which basically measures the air pressure generated by your forward motion through the air. As your altitude increases and air becomes less dense this pitot pressure measurement becomes lower even as your actual speed through the air remains the same. However the pitot pressure measurement is what matters to the structural integrity of the aircraft since it this measurement that corresponds to the aerodynamic forces applied to the airframe. So as you go higher you can go faster without overstressing the airframe.
The True Airspeed tells you how fast you're actually traveling relative to the surrounding air, it's your actual airspeed.
Smooth ride. Proficient pilots flying with Cirrus Perspective or Cessna's Intrinzic will transition with ease.
I’m guessing the 90 degree turn after no response in a cab alt pressure malfunction is so that ATC realizes something is wrong with the aircraft
Also so that you don’t descend into other aircraft on the airway.
That doesn't make sense to me. Maybe automatically putting a emergency squawk code, but turning the aircraft, not knowing the state of the crew....
Turner9090 There’s no other explanation. I think you’re right, it’s a cheap & “automated” (not disturbing ATC) way to convey a possible emergency to ATC/departure/flight following.
The turn will aid in a fast decent without having to pitch nose down and overspeed the plane. Picture fighters turning off from formation and descending fast.
So much for aerobatics.
awesome system as long as it does not malfunction (see MCAS) ;-)
The system on the TBM is quite a bit more sophisticated than any 737 , except for the non included A/T. Also the MCAS never really malfunctioned. At least Socata had the "ingenuity" to actually do a new type certificate for the TBM, and not try to apply something fron a previous model.
I see Chicago on Your GPS... Your Not To many miles from KDUH, where I'm near too, for a reference! I love the TBM's..... A dream airship for most of Us! Still? it's Nice too have a Dream!
Just talking out of my rear end here, but say you needed to travel 1200 nm while carrying a payload of let's say 600 kilograms and at times flying no more than 50 feet above the sea, with takeoffs & landing on 1500 feet dirt strips would this be the plane for that trip? I'm just asking, not that I would in any way need to make a flight like that, just asking?????
Johnny Rocco lemme guess, out of Columbia ? :)
Yes it's ideal might want to get all terrain tires though. lol
@@Star-xx5zr: Wrong this guy went to school in Californication. And learned to ask the stupidest questions because he has no idea where to find the answers. And all his teachers were feminist with a degree in stupid.
PC12 Would be better.
Muito bom
IF JFK JUNIOR HAD THAT"LEVEL FLIGHT BUTTON",they 'd be all alive,great feature,at the press of a button,it will level the plane,correct the speed.......GREAT TOOL!!!!!
Looks like the plane can do everything you want for you, except pay for itself.....
If a plane, someday, can take off and land on it's own carrying cargo.... it can.
It pays for itself if you have sound business plan. Its a tool not a toy
For nearly 3 mill, it's not a very large craft is it?
Bruce Ruttan, do you by any chance buy your women by weight?
Too bad Air America didn't have these aircraft in the 60's.
Might as well add a Jarvis AI voice.
Garmin 3000 seems to have a much better Survival mode (I'm not going to let you plunge to crash) than say MCAST of the Boeing 737 Max 8......
Really nice but not once did either pilots look outside the cockpit for traffic.
John Dill, the aircraft did it for them.
Closed block of airspace with a controller and a minimum of two traffic alert systems allow them to film without as much looking out. ATC knows what they are doing and is looking out for them.
The CIA could definitely hack this TBM.
No doubt, now that you've said that online I'd avoid flying in one
They might have it out for you
now make on for non pilots
Not a huge fan of all of the gizmos...HOWEVER, the 1999 Leerjet crash that killed Payne Stewart (and others) would never have happened.
Brandon Wright
There was a TBM crash in 2014. Pilot says he needs "lower" due to an "indication" but doesn't declare an emergency. Busy controller doesn't immediately grant the request. Flight goes silent and ends up overflying its Florida destination then Cuba and crashes in the ocean.
Like Stewart, the intercepting aircraft report fogged/frozen. Windows.
There is ATC recordings available. Hard to listen to. But good training material.
Here is the wiki page
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_SOCATA_TBM_crash
But some of those gizmos could have saved JFK Jr.
do some research and you will find out the real story
... It's "Learjet".
Wrong title. This was nothing but Garmin ESP.
After I graduate from aviation school, hopefully my daddy will buy me a TBM 930. He owns a very successful business. He should spend some of that money on me.
Lucky for some, I cant even afford to learn.
It's a great performer, but I would NOT want all the automatic nannies.
guessing about $ 5 mil
Great intentions here but this can lead to complacency. Much of the attitude limiting features here are somewhat similar to Airbus and its debatable if those have ever contributed to the prevention of an incident. Air Asia still went down only because the co-pilot failed to control the aircraft after the auto-pilot disengaged. A complacent pilot will crash an aircraft regardless of the systems available to help them. Beware of the dog in the cockpit, know your systems, and stay current.
Aviatr23 You are right about complacency creeping in with automation, but it is way forward. Aircrafts are going to be more and more automated with time. Since Airbus did it, there has been an ongoing debate over it. But the reality is that all new aircrafts are adopting envelope protection, though control laws may differ a bit. Modern aviators have to adapt with change in technology and use of automation has to become an important part of airmanship.
Vikash K Thakur I agree that this type of technology is more prevelant but I disagree we should adapt to technology. We should always remain in control of the technology we utilize. I'm not necessarily against having this type of thing in the cockpit but I am against relying upon it and placing our competence to the side. Airmanship should always have its foundation in stick and rudder and in dead reckoning and pilotage skills. We will have to adapt to technology only if we allow it. That day may be coming but I dread it because I do not think we will be any safer for it.
I would say stay Proficient...big difference between being current and being proficient :)
No job should be done by a human that is better done by a machine.
These systems should be mandatory
yea its nice to have a dream, my dream is not to let the cpu run me into the ground at 200 kts
I don't know why they haven't added emergency landing for a disabled pilot. A crashed TBM can't be repossessed or recovered. Wouldn't ya think it would be cheap to add that to its abilities. Consider the alternative. A useless piece of million dollar garbage.
Willie Gillie, you are so insightful just amazing.
all that money and hi=tech crap and the radios sound like a $50.00 radio shack toy. shame
ed plow btw those Bose headphones are $1000 bucks a piece.
I'm an audio engineer and the fact that they skimp out on a decent mic and a better bitrate for those $1000 headphones and really expensive radio kits is infuriating to no end. However He is likely recording with a small mic sitting in one of the ear cups and I doubt there's a lot of Audio processing done on the videos
It's obvious there's an Alahu Akbar mode of operation, if you can figure it out. Lol.
The most over hyped airplane !!!!!!!!!.
Terrible sound (breath-popping and plosives).
you should your sound off then nobody wants your complaints around here
you noob, never sat in an airplane before
Looks like a boring plane to fly with a whole lot of extra techno crap to maintain.
Probably the Buick of the skies I'd say
Boring . Too dry and tech heavy . How does the plane GO !!!