Joe Budden AIRS OUT Rory & Mal BREAKUP & explains EXPENSES & why he never gave them Youtube profits!
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You have 2 years to file suit what's taken them so long? Court will deny it, since there's video evidence of time frame since they knew.
This breakup is the gift that keeps on giving for you at this point lol
As a person who works in accounting / finance I can totally see how this happens. At the end of the day, this is a business that Joe is the owner. He’s right, you expense as many things as possible to lower your tax liability. As someone who isn’t an owner, or doesn’t know much about business accounting I can totally see how you can look at “the accounting” and think he’s stealing. Also, we are trained to give as little information as possible to as little people as possible. Most people don’t understand accounting and assume it has the same rules as your regular personal finance. It’s totally different.
Also, I don’t recall Rory and Mal ever saying they weren’t paid well. Based on what I’ve heard, Joe probably was not paying them based on the “accounting” because then they would have gotten paid less. I do believe that’s why he takes so much offense to the stealing accusations. Accountants literally try to show as many expenses as possible to bring taxes down. Also, he’s also correct in saying he could expense his car, his clothes and probably so much more (part of his rent, gas, cosmetic procedures, etc). Also, Joe would make decisions that require future spend / growth. this interview I’m assuming he’s saying he didn’t expense as much as he should so they can get a higher share of “profits”. This also means he would have had a higher tax liability (while also having to pay for this items out of pocket)Soooo if this is the case I can understand why Joe is so upset about the stealing rumors. It sounds like they have ab issue reconciling their payment vs expenses. I can totally see how a person who’s rubbing a business and taking on all of the stress and risk of the business, and have people who you don’t feel are investing as much sweat equity start asking you questions about your business they they aren’t helping grow beyond being “talent”. I can so see how this went left lol.
In my opinion, Joe talked waaayyyy too much about owner, and he made Rory and Mal “feel” like they were without actually being one. They got entitled. In my opinion, this is all ego and pride. Mal and Rory learned that they are not owners and do not have the same rights as one.
People can’t take away from the fact that besides all his bullshit, Joe does seem like he works very hard, and I think it’s difficult for people like him to have empathy for people who he doesn’t deem work as hard as he does. I think Mal definitely falls into that in his mind. Like I upgraded your life, gave you a gig, paid you well for your bare minimum efforts, and you’re still complaining. That’s what I feel he feels in his mind. Lol
Greatest comment on this entire issue
@@orapelengmaponyane7684 awwww. Thanks lol
Finally somebody that understands difference between stealing and two mfs that didn't know what was in the contract and thought they deserved more
This was very insightful.
@@pongunz1997so you’re saying two dudes with their lawyers who went on to build multimillion dollar company, signing 2 big deals worth millions ‘dont understand their contract’? U can’t be that dense dawg 😂😂😂
Joe wanted them to pay expenses but also told Rory he couldn’t have any ownership in the pod.
Why am I handling expenses, but you won’t let me own anything?!
Y don’t they sue then? 🤷🏾♂️
What you wrote makes no sense. In the world or percentages in pay, making workers pay an extra percent in expenses has nothing to do with ownership. Joe Budden name been on the show and they had no issue until they felt like they should get paid more. Also nobody knows roy or Mal apart from Joe. Which means if something happened, Joe would have taken the blow. Thats why he should get paid more.
They wanted to make money from profit, but that number was calculated after expenses were paid. That’s not the same as paying expenses. 🤦🏾♂️
People don’t know profit comes after the business pays expenses not individually lol
@@AlizaeDPMOyou’re not this stupid cuz 😂
Joe really needs to stop going on Spaces. Joe needs to stop discussing this breakup. None of his talk (about the breakup) makes him look any better. It all just sounds like nice-sounding spin.
And what he says is def being recorded and can be used against him
@@Realeyezkt1so he needs to do more
Nothing about this sounds nice lmao that shit he said about his youtube being his and blah blah is a foul rewrite of history
So you want the truth to stop coming out about his own character😂
Only to people who lack comprehension & are govern with their emotions over logical thinking. R&M sound like they’re ignorant on the business end & are upset that they’ve done bad business. Their sense of entitlement is ridiculous. Joe also sounds like he’s has poor leadership & communication skills. Some of you guys sympathize with who you assume is the weaker people in the situation & automatically assume the person in power is the bad guy. Too many successful people are still working with Joe or speak highly of him as a businessman in podcasting.
Man posted a podcast they were part of on his RUclips, monetized it, and said they can’t get a cut.
CANT go into business with certain people. This man believes he is right too
He's a SNAKE. And if the shoe was on the other foot he would be going off she we'd never hear the end of it. Smh.
Bingo! His page before their pod and after the pod was way different 😂
They were getting a check... on screen talent are not entitled to a cut of the business part of anything unless their name is on it. That's business 101
@rjgears lol what?? There cut is based off percentage, what are you talking about??
That’s why it was as successful as it was, you see they started their own and army as successful
Looking back on this, he definitely manipulated his friends which is crazy as fk
Don’t forget “psychoanalyzes” his “friends”
It’s not crazy, tax told them this to their faces almost a decade ago🥴
Joe is straight up saying the asked for accounting, i gave them accounting.. if i happened to lie on the accounting, so be it, i still gave them accounting... thats wild!
Bingo
That’s lowkey the B-Plot of this podcast lmao from the Marisa days until now
Joe basically says be grateful I didn’t take more 🤣. Can’t make this up.
Man I knew I wasn’t tripping lol
With a straight tone as if he's right
but I thought Joe was a Marxist lmao
Some of y’all have serious comprehension issues. This level of ignorance is nasty work. Business acumen on a -200. 🥴🤦🏽♂️
He’s saying I was paying you more than you were worth actually
So basically they been telling the truth the whole time 😂
Nope
Im honestly to the points both sides is telling the truth and lying. If R&M feel some type of way they should have sued but they never did so which mean they got fucked over but yall signed the contracts. It is what it is
Joe’s version of what happened has no resemblance to the truth whatsoever!
Is that you Rory??
So what’s the truth? Since u know
@@lucanwolf712you believe Joe? He changed his story more than once
@@nothinguntouchedpodcastJoe also said this crew negotiates their contracts but also said back then fuck a contract I don’t respect them. And he said profit split wasn’t part of it but now saying it was a courtesy. 😂😂 I quicker believe BigFoots side of the story then Joe.
@@TheDundealis that you Joe?
Mal was right lol
He stole from him and Rory
💯%
Yup lol 💯💯
Everybody on this comment thread just yapping and not providing any real analysis on why they believe what they believe. Please explain how he stole from R&M, so I can unpack and debunk since you clearly didn’t understand the business side of what Joe was discussing
@@Ra-sb2ln bruh when Rory and Mal both made that accusation, Joe later came out and said “what I have no idea what their talking about” then he later went on a live chat room and said their was a 400k mistake and even Ish on the podcast called Joe out for contradicting himself and said to Joe live on air; Let Rory and Mal come back to the podcast and expose everything to see who’s really telling truth and then we can finally put this break up to bed. Rory and Mal went on their podcast and heard what ISH said and agreed quickly with ISH and said they would happily do it and guess what Joe said to Ish, “ah whatever ninja let’s move on”. Please feel free to watch Danny old content covering Joe narrative changes and look at when he covered Rory and Mal literally saying we got all the proof, receipts, and we’ll even expose all contracts live on air to finally shut up Joe and his constant lying.
Thats why a lot of people side with Rory and Mal because if they were really lying why challenge Joe so openly on their own platform and other people platform, especially when they can hear and see Ish (Joe new nearest and dearest friend) even give them the benefit of the doubt. Ish knows Rory and Mal to be good people and as Ish says to Joe constantly on the current podcast Joe ain’t shit so that should tell us who really telling the truth about this breakup.
@Ra-sb2ln 15 percent agreement on podcast earnings. joe created a network above the podcast. says the podcast made x after subtracting at the network level. essentially lowering their pay by creating new expenses.
Joe’s Side Of The Story Changes Every Single Time He Speaks On The Breakup.. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Joe Wanted To Turn Them Into Salaried Instead Of Percentage Earners. That’s Where The End Came From. Joe Is Just Good And Spinning..
So he fired them and got salary workers end of, don’t know why we still have to hear about it
@@rameezeudc855 Because Joe Rory And Mal Had The Absolute Best Podcast Ever.
I don't wanna hear shit if they don't audit him
This is like the cashier working at the gas station for a few years, then going to the owner asking to be an owner. GTFOH
@@JUSTISEJAY you seriously can not b this uninformed. Your analogy is as effective as your iq.
1. Joe ever talking about contracts and in context of someone else not respecting one, will always be hilarious. This man gonna die a hypocrite.
2. “Well which one is it? Was it I stole or was it that you signed something you shouldn’t have? It can’t be all these different things”
…yeah.. yeah it sure can lol
How can anyone not see right thru this dude every time he speaks?
He’s gonna try and tone of voice yall into thinking he’s a high class mogul every time
Well two things can be true, if you sign something be prepared to handle it how you do and deal with what comes with it n
Thank you lol. I can hear the BS as always. Joe keep changing narratives and tries to sound smarter than he thinks he is.
Joe shouldve started a separate RUclips for the pod with R&M just like Shannon Sharpe did when he started Nightcap w Ocho. It was on Shay Shay until it took off. Seems like Joe wanted to hog the RUclips coins.
Or maybe Rory and mal should’ve made their own RUclips page…Joe used to tell them start a pod all the time and they would say “Naw”…them soon has they spilt they did everything he told them to do😂
@@MrBlackVision if Joe wasn’t breaking them off even a small amount of money from his RUclips for their content what makes you think he would allow them to take that same content he’s trying to monetize and then use it on their own private RUclips channel 😂😂
@@MrBlackVisionwhy would they need to start a pod when they were already on one of the biggest podcasts? That's just him trying to deflect from paying them what he should've for the pod that they were already on. And to think he called them his friends. But Rory and Mal should've had their business together way before. It's also on them how they allowed him to treat them.
@@jcallwood25 because Joe kept saying if you want that 100m plus bag you either need a network with multiple shows or be rogan
@@MrBlackVisionin one of Joe's rants after they broke up he mentioned a "non compete" clause in their contract, probably meaning while working for him the only way they could have started something if he owned it as well
This is a genuine question- I am not seeing how Joe is a “snake”?
Joe develops a show, invites people to co-host, allows them to use the IP to develop their own space (which they ultimately did), and they were paid as contractors so they’re paid in accordance to the hours they worked..
I really don’t see the “manipulation” on Joe’s part.. genuinely.
I think the biggest issue is proximity- when people are close to you, they feel entitled to stuff.. but I’d love to hear another pov..
You must dont know Joe's track record, he has changed the story 10 million times by now.
@@nikkideevah I don’t… it’s always these types of comments but no-one explains or how he has changed the story.. this is why I’m asking.
Joe knows damn well if Rory and mal would’ve started their own RUclips he would’ve been upset. Even with that, if I’m on your RUclips creating content with you then they definitely deserves some of the RUclips money
100%!! He upset that Flip has his own network/ RUclips now lol
Exactly i was just about to type this before i saw your comment smh its easy to gas light after the fact and say he would've been cool with that but we know the truth
He said he would. Mal said Joe told him if they start another podcast he’d sue them😂 Joe is so full of ish🤦♂️
@@rem0godhow’s that when Flip’s been having his own?
@@anm_96that was once they broke up which he had the right to do but didn’t. Whether worked out then contract talks or what n
"Who will be the first to make a documentary about this?" Lol you Danny you
I think Rory and Mal's mistake was watching Joe screw over music labels/execs for years and thinking it could never happen to them. Like how do you go into business with someone used to playing like a snake when it comes to business and then act surprised when you eventually get some fangs in you?
I ain't going to bat for music execs/labels, either. I'm just saying Joe seems very used to acting funny when a bag is involved.
You’re right but we all have our blind spots with when it comes to friends and family. Like Rory and Mal said this all could have been prevented if they didn’t let Joe slide for so long just because we were “friends”, and that them holding themselves accountable unlike Joe. If he is this Big boss as he claims to be don’t screw over your crew or even your friends who even mutual and industry friends said have held you down better than other celebrities friends he had during his rap career.
This man sounds completely different to his Complex days and “creators” narrative. Back then it was Partnerships and a lot of togetherness. Now it’s a “courtesy and paperwork”. Dudes a clown, he manipulates slow people.
Yup💯
Tax said it years ago and he was 100% right. Joe surrounds himself with low IQ people who he can easily manipulate and take advantage of. People thought he only did this with women but it looks like thats how he picks his friends too. Dude is a true narcissist
He wrong. No one one was checking for his youtube before the podcast. His page got profitable off the back of what they all put into.
Doesn't matter...the page was up before they took off...all mal & rory had to do was start their own page
@chiefsoze3272 what's 100% of nothing? Vs 80% of 100,000?
Yeah Joe sounds crazy. And every time he talks about this I understand Rory and Mal more and more. The JBP with Rory and Mal brought views to that RUclips channel so that should have been a part of the profit they shared. Him saying they could see accounting anytime but that is where is stops sounds absolutely crazy. "Here's the accounting, oh a $400K mistake? Welp, sorry your contract says you can see the numbers but can't ask questiuons" is NUTS. I could go on and on but the new cast is smart for doing business the way are they are doing it. GREAT podcaster but he can't be trusted when it comes to integrity and looking out for your "friends" or partners.
Facts 💯💯💯
As someone who has a RUclips with 25k subs and a IG with over 500k followers, YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR FN MIND…. So I put in OVER A DECADE of Building a platform , you (Rory n Mal) are NOBODIES… Mal doesn’t even show up until 70 episodes in … so now because you built a name off my back and my platform that means you should now get a percentage? and I’m paying you 40k a month already??? I SOMETIMES HATE FANS OPINIONS
Wait I don’t get the static.. if he’s the outright owner of the production.. it’s literally the JBP.. why are they entitled to anything more than what he sets? They’re cohosts, not partners on paper. While I always agreed that he was disrespectful in the way shit went down, business wise he’s not wrong at all. Mal and Rory always been kinda blurry on the details and specifics and this is why. Technically he could’ve paid them nothing and if they continued to show up voluntarily they’d have little to stand on. They admittedly made a lot of bread, but just felt entitled to have a say in the overall business decisions, which is at Joes discretion to choose.
because they had a profit sharing agreement. That means they are entitled to the percentage they agreed on. Problem is the pod started making alot of money and that percentage became more than Joe wanted to pay them so he did some scumbag shit and hid money from his “friends”
I like Joe as a media personality. But he did some slimeball shit to his friends. I haven’t been able to look at him the same since.
Facts same here.💯
Lol Joe a narrative twister. He was talking about stick to the contract thats what R&M was saying that he is not sticking to the contract. If they was profit sharing then give them their share of profits period. If he wanted them to pay for production then that should be in the contract but it wasn't especially if you are getting the biggest slice of the pie why would I help pay for production. Unlike the new cast yall agreed on a dollar amount. Id you are profit sharing then R&M needs to see profits being made and hell it may go up or down if profits was down im sure he wouldn't habe mind showing the accounting
If Joe didn't stick to the contract, why not just sue him?
@@colliscrews3727 No disrespect but people are cut from a certain cloth and you are not which is ok. But certain people can look at someone and say damn we are supposed to be friends and you are willing to throw away our friendship for some money. And say you know what keep the money and never F with them again which R&M chose to do. Another thing sometimes its not worth it you would have to hire an entertainment lawyer and an auditor to go over contracts and back track things which could add up to more than what he owes them which is not worth it. And obviously its not because they weren't hurting for the money and they landed on their feet its just the principle of him trying to twist the story and lie about certain things that makes them talk about it. So not everything is worth a lawsuit its not like they suing someone for some millions now That's a different story
@@yoninja9164 I hear you, it's just that I don't understand why they keep talking about if no constructive action follows?
This is where my problem comes from. Profit sharing is a completely subjective term. Profit is after all the expenses are taken out. From the beginning he always encouraged them to capitalize on the popularity of the podcast brand. They should've. As an owner, everything I touch can be an expense and I can control the amount of your salary if I choose to. I would always know they gave minimal effort on the show. They didn't act like they were part owners... So much was wrong with their situation on both sides.
@@colliscrews3727 Well im a watcher of both and I honestly can say the only time they ever really talked about it was the very first episode of their new pod when they pretty much said everything that happened. Outside of that they either get asked a question about the break-up and they answer it or they just take a shot at Joe or Joe taking a shot at them. But its both sides still talk about it and they do it no matter if Mal wants to admit it or not it brings in views when they talk about each other. Im over it but there are plenty of people who still want to hear about it
Joe didn’t finesse them dudes man. They business acumen is lacking
@@Ember_Janer his was as well
@@Deemo7373 That’s true but that doesn’t necessarily mean he stole. I think R&M simply didn’t understand they worked for Joe. That’s really what this boils down to. That part I do blame Joe for.
Allowing them to believe they were actual equal partners.
@@Ember_JanerNaw yall gotta stop defending Joe. If you have a profit sharing agreement and the person refuses to let you see the contracts how do you know you’re getting the correct amount. Like if the Spotify deal was 15 mill and Joe is lying saying it was 5 mill but won’t show you the contract, that is Joe finessing them. It’s obvious he was hiding money. Thats Joe being a scumbag and doing bad business not Rory & Mal lacking in business acumen.
Clothing expenses!!!! Who tf would want Joe to pick their wardrobe!! Man he just keeps twisting and spinning… some of that 400k went that waterfront spot he got now!!
😂😂😂😂😂 can’t even dress exactly
Facts!!
@frazierlori89 Nah he can't lol wut he jus does now is buy a bunch of designer sshit but has no idea how 2 put anything 2getha lol
The moment he wear the clothing for anything outside of work, it’s no longer a write off.
He’s saying that he could’ve added the clothing as expenses to the budget to lower taxes but it would’ve meant less profit and that he would’ve had to pay R & M less. He was pointing out shortcuts he took in order to pay them a good amount.
2:41 Joe seems really heated lol
Joe acts like he's so happy with the new crew koz they don't ask questions lmao... well duh they didn't help you make it ofcourse they can't have the same quarrels as rory and mal
lol facts 💯💯
Guaranteed joe is gonna have a new cast every couple years
Oh well. Keeps it fresh
He's almost out of friends. Next group might be Raqui Thunda, Fabulous, Tahiry, Peter Gunz etc
If Ish one day get tired of Joe. Ice is a yes man Mel is there for the check. Flip is loyal to a degree... But Ish and Joe fell out in the past the reason they never told. But hes the only one I can see leaving after he used up his extended 15 mins of fame
lol Joe thinking he somehow wasn’t grimey is exactly why nothing he does will never be where he wants it to be..acting like Rory and mal was tripping over nothing..his current cast will eventually be where his old cast is.. the next one after that too
That’s the funny thing Rory and Mal were cool with following Joe lead and actually cared about the podcast they helped build. Even their mutual and industry friends have said Joe had solid and actual good friends like Rory and Mal because they see how they move and they move like other bad people in the industry. So if their mugs friend can speak so highly of Rory and Mal why in the work does Joe keep painting them as bad guys. We can even ask the other podcast Joe had working for him and those girls till this day have nothing negative to say about Rory and Mal just mainly Joe.
No one knows what the truth is, but Rory and Mal need to take it to court or move on. Taking shots at one another and calling Joe a thief for umpteenth years is entertaining but hasn't resolved a thing. I don't care about exposing you as a thief, I'm going to get what I'm owed.
If they had a valid case they would’ve took it court
Rory and Mal did move on, Joe is the one bringing it up again. And I think they did move on because Joe TOLD them it was going to be XYZ vs the wording in the contract. For example the contract could say you get paid for the “Podcast”. Then Joe uploads to the RUclips which may or may not be considered the “Podcast” but tells them yea yt is part of the payout. Without accounting they don’t have a case, which is what they were looking for. Last thing you wanna do is take someone to court without hard proof.
@@TheBigAramakiStan lies
@@TheBigAramakiStan I arrived at the same conclusion.
@@Deemo7373 what’s the lie? They aren’t poor lol if their case is valid why haven’t they sued? No one is going to just leave owed money on the table😂
Man, I couldn’t agree with you more. I paid a coworker $300k one year and he pulled a Rory and Mal. Became a complete snake.
How do you pay a "coworker" 300K??sounds more like they were a partner, unless you owned the company/business and they were your employee???
U clearly are clueless and don't know what you're talking about
@Theramblingzulu im pretty sure crodie was being sarcastic
I wish Joseph Carmelo Anthony Budden story would stop changing . Least I can say that R&M just wanted to see the numbers and pay the team. Joe keep rewriting history. Becareful Flip
Yup. Even though Flip is an employee a small part of flip is seeing how Joe does bad business but at the same time Flip does need to stop with checking Joe finances. If Flops wants a raise he has to wait for Joe to sign a new deal (which don’t exist anymore) or wait till Joe hits the lottery 😅
The RUclips channel was one of the primary distribution channels for the Pod & he profited from his work. lol he stole from them.
Look long story short Joe needs to stop changing the story up. Rory and Mal helped build that podcast with Joe and we’re not greedy with the ones they received from the podcast. They literally put that money back into podcast expenses because they wanted to help get Joe podcast to Joe Rogan level of success (which it was before the break up), and keep the crew around them happy. Noticed how the other female led podcast who were working for Joe all left his network and when asked about Rory and Mal they all say the same thing it’s nothing but love but when it comes to Joe they have nothing but issues with him and yet Joe keeps painting this narrative that Rory and Mal were lazy and ungrateful when we ourselves as a fanbase saw the work all three of them put into making this podcast successful. We were fans of all 3 of them including Parks so I can’t understand why we can’t be honest and see that Joe mess up this situation.
Rory and Mal took accountability for not handling their business with Joe right but tier than that they stayed 10 ties with Joe and never snaked him like he got snaked when he was a rapper. But yet they’re the bad guys when Joe literally keeps changing the story and Rory and Mal have had the same exact story from day one. They challenged Joe twice now to expose their contracts live on air at Joe current podcast and Joe still be running from their request and we know why he does he because hell finally be exposed as liar and have his podcast image in question.
So yes enough of this subject, both parties landed and found new sucess.
They were employees…who worked for their friend.
If my friend builds a podcast from the ground up and all I do is show up, I’m not complaining bout any paper I get from it. And if I feel uncomfortable about it, I dip.
Simple
You are damn near the only one in this comment section with a subjective unbiased stance. Salute. Muhfuckas in here being crybabies for no reason.
Y’all go back to the old episodes and everything Joe said lines up! Rory and Mal wanted Joe spot and gave minimal effort. The success was them roasting and being immature. Mal on his phone more then Flip 😂
Don’t do business with Joe is what this boils down to. Joe is a master manipulator, he gon spin every story to benefit him
Once again Joe is changing the Narrative because Rory and Mal both said that they put their share of the money right back into the podcast because they never went crazy with their big money they were getting. They are even proving that point now with how they run their own podcast especially after having a $10 mil deal. Clearly they don’t look broke or struggling because they spend their money frivolously and bank on the podcast doing good, which it is. Their merch keeps selling out and they have constant back to back sold out tours.
That’s not how business works. There are contracts & it’s up to the individual to take accountability for the contracts they choose to sign. Joe is not your lawyer nor can he force you to sign something you don’t agree with. You guys like to dodge accountability instead of look in the mirror
@@Skywalker721 I agree, but the problem is signing a contract you understand and then the person you sign the contract with looks into your face and says “ I don’t honor any contracts”. All three of those guys had lawyers review their profit sharing agreements/along with seeing quarterly accounting in the contract and basically what people is exposing is that Joe doesn’t acknowledge that part of the contract and his lying about them not being able to see accounting which was in their agreement.
We talk about accountability and I’m here for that but in this particular situation Joe has been know throughout his rap career and his tv career to not complete contracts and he lost tons of money and other opportunities because of it. The problem is he doesn’t care and to prove this point even more his rap crew known as slaughter house told us the main reason for their breakup was not only because of bad communication between the group but Joe was selfish and did do proper business even though they were obligated to follow a contract and certain agreements and just because Joe didn’t care about meeting these obligations after the fact he forced the group to have to break up.
@@bandhere728 this is a ridiculous take. What Joe has done in music is irrelevant to this situation unless you provide concrete evidence to speak to it. You’re trying to say R&M have lawyers & Joe breached the contract, but R&M won’t take legal action. Joe is adamant that they can’t take legal action because there was no breach or violation of their contracts. All this speculation you’re doing without anything to back it is insane. That’s not how the real world works. Rumors hold no weight in the world of business. I highly doubt R&M would leave large amounts of money on the table when they pay their lawyer for this exact reason. Stop it. 🤦🏽♂️😆
@@Skywalker721 clearly your unfamiliar with both sides of these guys story. I’m simply repeating what both parties said to the public about their contracts. No speculation needed. (Obviously I wasn’t in the room, but just discussing the topic based on the information they provided.)
Also yes the example I brought up about Joe music career plays a big part in this conversation because I know people who have met Joe personally In the music industry and as soon as this happened they literally used his music career as an example and said this behavior with Joe and contracts is nothing new.
You talk about Joe knows Rory and Mal can’t sue him, but yet when this dispute happened he threaten to take them to court. Rory and Mal have both openly said they not suing Joe over this situation because they made back this money on their own already and since this was an issue between the three of them they handled it the way they wanted to and Rory and Mal both said let Joe keep their stolen money and let his guilt eat him up. Joe even follows up on his podcast and says “hey I’m not suing my guys we all landed and are good, so no need to get messy in court” those are Joe words not mine. Once again Rory and Mal have even challenged Joe to expose their contracts live on air to explain to us who is in the right and who is on the wrong.
Just like you said this is the real world and I’m simply trying to make sense of their contract dispute, I’m not just commenting for likes. Just simply trying to make sense of what Information sounds factual and what is made up. Thats the whole point of this video with Joe budden.
If Rory and Mal had started their own RUclips page and The Stop TV would not be here; in a lot of ways, Rory and Mal is a blessing to the stop TV
Rory and Mal could’ve used the Joe budden podcast to start their own RUclips but a meeting with Elliot is an issue?😂😂😂
Facts.... He clearly stated that they only came to work, podded, and left and didn't really care about the pod, but as soon as Rory took the meeting, he cussed him out and told him he can't make any decisions about his pod. 🤦🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️ Hypocrite
If a person is a percentage based earner and can’t see the percentages of course they’ll assume they’re getting stolen from. There was a pod when he said he’d never pay them a certain dollar amount if the pod made millions and they both told him that’s not how percentages work.
We got em !!
It seems obvious that the profit split was for the Joe Budden Podcast while Joe signed the deal with Spotify, CashApp, youtube as himself or his production company. That allowed him to then assign a certain dollar amount to the podcast profits while using the rest however he deemed fit such as adding on the other podcasts to the network. Joe hinted at that when he kept saying they were only entitled to the podcast profits but that they wanted some of the profit from Joe Budden. Contractually I'm guessing Joe had something in there that he had the ability to control what was considered podcast expenses and profits so suing would do them no good because Joe got to determine what money is dished out to the pod.
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@@threattonature u are stating what rory and Mal already said lord!
No but that’s also wrong as well. All the deals that Joe got is supposed to split with them according their agreement. Joe 50%, Rory and Mal-25% each and from their like Rory and Mal said they put that money right back into the podcast expenses. Because that’s literally how the rest of the crew got paid along with the equipment and production cost. Joe didn’t just have these multimillion dollars laying around paying people all three of them were supporting the podcast and that what Joe keep lying about.
@@bandhere728that part
Ok so he did agree on a profit sharing "as a courtesy"
I’m assuming He didn’t have money to pay them a salary when the pod first started- so they did profit sharing- but once the money started to really come in is where things got fuzzy
@@sekehi3there's nothing fuzzy abt it. Lmfao he didn't want to pay them what he promised as a courtesy bc in his mind they didn't work as hard as him.
If you post my likeness on your RUclips I need a TASTE
Exactly!!! Him rationalizing it any other way is crazy
Joe you stole from them its ok 😭
If the contract said they sit behind expenses and the podcast wasn’t making any more, then Rory and Mal shouldn’t have been getting paid anything after the Spotify deal end of story. Can we please stop feeling sorry for these grown ass men in 2024. They don’t want to work for Joe so they went and made their own pod. Joe fired them but his hands were tied since they were half steppin for months. Lol we were there and we saw that bs low effort garbage
I love that picture of Rory and Mal and Baisley. I wanna frame it and put it on my wall.
This is why you should never do business with “friends”.
Everytime I did I got robbed
I understand the point, but it can be done. The real lesson should be “never do business with Joe Budden”
Joe was never their friend...
@@bmomouse6859yup 💯
@@Shay416nah he was definitely their friend. But like we as always money corrupts and changes people and only a select few know how to handle this change or not and as we see Joe completely switched up.
Whenever I read the comments on this situation it's clear who understands business and who doesn't. Joe did nothing wrong business-wise.
Idk why we stay on this if there’s never going to be a resolution to it lol
I'm with Joe. I had no idea about Rory and Mal but they were great additions to the start of the pod. Joe is the headliner, they didnt know their place. AND that's showbiz folks. KNOW YOUR ROLE.
And how is the whole YT thing with R&M different from when they gave Flip hell for posting that IG live and monetizing without paying them? Love the JBP but Joe is irritating with this topic.
EXACTLY!! Any time someone does something outside of the pod that gets love Joe will shxt on it.
@@heem3991facts 💯💯💯. When you’re working for Joe it’s his way or the highway!
I dont care how much you contribute. If you dont put money up, I dont care what you say.
I agree.. I dont think he stole.. but he started to look at them as overpaid, lazy and entitled.
They want him to be the villain 100% and he wants to take no blame in what happened.. Both parties sound like they did some bullshit and have learned from it, more importantly theyre all doin well.
Joe : "I don't want to pay labor"
They’ve already told their story. Over and over and over again lol. Some things are more important than money. I’m with Mal. It’s his real life not just content.
I think Joe’s biggest mistake was continuing to pay them the same money after the Spotify deal was up. I think the profit after expenses was significantly lower and decided to pay them like life was good. I think the issue came when money started to be injected they felt the expenses were being fudged and thought they were owed more.
Essentially both sides are half right. Rory and Mal shouldn’t have accepted the continued money even though profits were down. Joe shouldn’t have paid them bc when the pros go up your friends won’t give a damn about the extra money you paid out of pocket to keep them afloat. They gonna just keep wanting more regardless if you looked out or not.
Joe should’ve communicated the move. Rory and Mal shouldn’t have taken the money blindly knowing the pros were gone.
I have to disagree because like Joe said they earned the money they were making regardless, he just keeps changing the narrative and making himself sound dumb. Plus like Rory and Mal said they got a lot of money but they literally put it back into the podcast expense because they rather see this podcast grown to Rogan level status instead of spending their money frivolously. They are literally doing right now with their own podcast especially after their $10 million dollars deal. They’re selling off their merch constantly and selling out sold out tours back to back. Thats them prioritizing the brand and their crew over being greedy and putting themselves first and that what Joe did as soon as he got the big bag money.
@@bandhere728 nah they didn’t put money back into the pod. The talked about helping the crew out with money that one time, but other than that they weren’t investing. Joe said they “earned” from a friend’s pov, but according to their contract he paid them more than what they were technically entitled to. I agree once you start your own brand and understand expenses you’d move a little wiser than before. I think Rory’s biggest contention was that he thought expenses for the entire network was being counted before profit splits not just the jbp. I honestly don’t think Mal was wise enough to understand that, but his “real nigga” persona was needed in order to aid Rory in addressing these grievances.
@@crowded_spaces wait hold that thought I know we can go back and forth on who said what. But I’ll just speak to what Rory and Mal have been saying on their platform and other podcasts platform about the podcast split.
They said when they first got ad money before the Spotify deal they literally took a small cut and let Joe take the biggest cut, therefore that little ad money they had instead of asking Joe for more they let Joe have the rest to keep producing the (early) JB podcast and Joe can keep getting ads. Then when the Spotify deal happened like always Rory and Mal took their fair share and gave Joe the big money so Joe can start paying parks more along with Savon, Ian, and screen man (Alex) by them taking small percentage of money that is them putting back and investing into the podcast along with their tours that they did and the money they made.
People have to remember when Joe started this podcast he had no money (not literally but not enough to set up the podcast like we got it), so he was working at complex to pay his bills/his royalty checks from his music to support his new kid and gf. So originally yes during their time together they never just sat there and collected a check they literally kept helping Joe build this podcast financially and talent wise. Rory and Mal are not going to openly say they helped Joe cover expenses if that wasn’t true when in fact the point of their profit sharing agreement is so that instead of all three of them just taking huge splits of the money they make for themselves, they instead will each take fair shares so then their enough left over to pay for whatever expenses are needed for the podcast without digging in their own pockets.
In 2020 when we was shut down Joe said it himself on a zoom episode “(thank god you ninja ain’t bougie with yall money because we got no deals coming right now)”. And Rory said “yeah as always I’m saving my money and whatever we need for the podcast he has it to contribute” (Mal shared the sentiment). So when Joe got the cash app deal and the patreon deal Rory and Mal said Yoo that’s a lot of money and instead of giving us our fair share take away more of our money so you can pay the crew and keep up production since everyone was burnt out with the constant podcasting. So in conclusion yes Rory and Mal always gave up money to keep the podcast going, Since the start of the podcast Joe may have took some of his own money and stretched it to cover things as a boss but Rory and Mal didn’t not leave him hanging with these big bills.
I understand where Joe is coming from. As a business man myself on GTA V I hate when my colleagues what a bigger split when I'm footing the bill for a heist.
Nah at this point i feel like you got a wall in your house with newspaper clippings and strings attached connecting each lead. Go be a detective for real we need you out here getting to the bottom of these crimes fr you too good 😂😂😂
Rory and Mal were easily replaceable so too bad for them. It’s the entertainment business not friendship business
U invested right in this topic. Joe will be talking about this break up until 2030.
this is the same guy that went off on Complex because they wouldn't “pay the creatives” in their infancy for mentioning brands “organically” during Everyday Struggle… hypocrisy at its finest.
If he did something wrong then go to court. If contracts were violated then go to court or shut up about it if you not gonna do it.
@jeandidieryao8840 how to u gon tell them when and what to bring up in what THEY experienced dis u forgot Joe started all this shii
I'm glad Joe directly talked about it instead of dancing around it
Are you serious Joe has changed the story a million times now lol
I been unscubcribed to this channel, how hell did this pop up on my feed😂 This is a dead issue. It's multiple sides to every story, but pocket watching should have an experation date. It would be more entertaining if they just box it out. Lol
I hate that people cry when they don't educate themselves, especially in business. Only our people go thru this it's annoying. Where is the court case? If there was really a theft, there would be no talking. Just pay me what you owe😒
Weird behavior to send shots but never send a summons 😂
@pootiehaze6466 lies! Nothing weird about not wanting to take a friend u luv to court everybody ain't money hungry
The show went to shits after rory and Mal. Ice and ish nowhere as good and budden know it.
This why you can’t do business with friends, cuz the friends get it misconstrued
Always thought Rory and Mal were boring af and the reason why I never completed an ep of them.
Orrrrrrr..and this may be where your ego gets in the way.. I like your context but dislike a portion of videos you do. Especially when im waiting for a video all weekend and the 1st one I get is some irrelevant bs from 4 years ago. That may make me went to comment my frustration on wanting more up to date content. Somehow you interpret that as I want to see more? That’s nuts Danny.
If someone gives me $40,000 for months pay I'm going to find a way to like this new job...
Basically Rory and Mal should be happy Joe even got them on the podcast because it’s his RUclips that wasn’t getting any views prior to them being on the podcast lmao the new cast are workers that happen to be friends and associates , the old cast build this platform with Joe & got done dirty for wanting to find out what Joe always finds out at platforms he works at and ad ventures he goes into , the details and Analytics of what’s going on while he’s present
We won’t get to the bottom because,
1. Joe won’t keep it real
2. Mal is not like Joe, Joe is messy
3. It’s business & personal mix together
NONE of them is over this. If the truth comes out, I bet Joe was being greedy & he’s wrong.
They could have sued Joe if there was a breach of contract. It’s that simple.
Joe life ends at 78.
God: welcome to heaven my child.
Joe (in that condescending calm Joe voice): in my life contract there was language that express that i was supposed to get to 80. You (God) have decided to violate that contract and thats what i dealt with on Earth in the music business
All it sounds like to me is Joe was in the right business wise but a shitty friend about it
Joe was always right about HIS RUclips. He been posting "content" before it had a name. One of the firsts to do it... should he have started a new channel for the pod? Yea probably, but hindsight is 20/20. They didn't know what they had at first or how to navigate the space. Plus be honest, ppl watched initially because it's Joe Budden. His name brought the ppl
On the RUclips interface for creators payment is broken down by video. He can easily pay them from funds generated under those videos.
The way Joe talk to people is crazy 😭 it’s so hard to believe anything he says!
Bruh you can’t call Joe podcast boring and this is the content you pointing out on the regular.
its boring lol
Such a Great & Classic Spaces from last year‼️💯🔥
If someone give me 40k/month I'm not arguing NOTHING!!!
Bro said you can only ask for the accounting.. Asking questions isn't in the contract 😂😂😂 that's crazy..
I can't and will never respect joe Budden ever in life 💯‼️
I’m with Joe on RUclips thing because
How it works in the background is hard for you to divy up money from stuff I’ve had on here for years.
Its not hard at all 😂 you can literally look at what each video made. Nobody is saying pay them for those bum ass vlogs from 15 years ago but they 100% deserved their cut of the hundreds(or thousands) of JBP videos uploaded to the channel
@@H0USE4100 it’s hard unless you do a percentage per month on certain videos which can fluctuate. I don’t even think RUclips has a backend system that helps with that at this moment. Much easier to put someone on 1099 or salary with a bonus structure
Bruh it's like 6 years later we still on this?!?
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Rory and mal definitely over it the only one who brings it up is joe budden.
Mal did an interview recently.
they're gonna be throwing subs about this 10 years from now still lmfaoo
"freedom from self bondage" Joe's Mom. is huge and needs prayer. Our community suffers from emotional trauma, lack of respect for authority, due to being fatherless and lack of accountability in our community so we blame everyone but us. 1:50:17 Killer Racial Poiint by Flip
Son really just talks slowly and with conviction, and only if you want to believe he wasn’t snaking them dudes will you hear that he wasn’t snaking them dudes.
Listen Joe did the work, Rory and Mal had their hand out. They let Joe dictate and run things til the podcast of value then they wanted parts . They didn’t pay for production but wanted a piece of his RUclips and Rory wanted ownership in the podcast once it popped. I’m no Joe Avenger but I’m in agreement with home because he out the money up and the others where just along for the ride.
That’s not true at all. Joe did not have multimillion dollars lying around to run that podcast. Rory and Mal both said numerous times that they put their share of the money back into the podcast to help keep it growing and to help keep their employees happy. Joe changes narrative every 5 seconds. Why would Joe say they earned this big money they are getting and then say oh they never even contributed to the podcast aside from showing up; that’s make no sense, he gave them that big check because he saw they weren’t greedy with their money and actually helped him keep that podcast afloat with our without a podcast deal. He didn’t have to beg them to help out because if he did that would be the first thing he would have exposed to us after the break up and he didn’t. But now he is to try and keep discrediting his “nearest and dearest” friends.
Rory and Mal are literally doing the same thing with their current podcast and proving Joe narrative wrong. They got $10 million dollars and after that deal was done we see them continue to have sold out merch and sold out tours and that’s because they prioritize they’re crew/brand first before paying themselves and they just take what’s left. Joe just wanted it all for self once the big bag came to him and was tired of having two people around him that would question his “authority” we see it now with Flip even though flip is to blame as well look at how he talks down on Flip even though that’s his “manz”!
Looking back at this he didn’t want half ass ppl on the team !
WHY ARE WE STILL TALKING ABOUT THIS!!! GO TO COURT OR SHUT UP ALREADY, DAMN.
I only watched on RUclips, and I was watching for the chemistry of the 3 (and Parks’ knee). I can understand him saying that they were signed for audio, but once they’re on camera, and people are invested in the physical aspect of the show, he’s in the wrong. I haven’t watched or listened since they left, even though I still enjoy Joe’s opinions. My biggest issue as a fan was that he really drew me in with all the “creatives deserve better/ rap union”, “how much is a stream”, and “integrity” talks. I believed that he believed allat, and that he practiced that. Every time he opens his mouth about the divorce now, he exposes that he didn’t practice what he preached.
But R&M lost me last year too, bc Mal started sounding like a man who also didn’t live his so called values. His behavior during the Kendrick/ That Other Dude beef proved me right. And I hate it, because I don’t like finding out that I invested time and money into frauds.
Joe was wrong, period. Mal was a sucka, period. Rory is consistent, and has terrible taste in men he sits beside, maybe.
“The other dude” wow gonna bark bark loud B&$@*
DRAKE AUBREY
fool names ken like from a Barbie movie. Ken sucs a lot of D.
I know money is relative, but 40k a month for being a b mic in a podcast with your sounds like AMAZING money. Us regular folks work 40 hours a week with people we don't really like and make less than a quarter of that
Tax lady say clothes and cars aren’t a tax expense
I will say this Joe is Joe so he will always be good but Roy & Mal have learned alot from Joe and are now developing into there own
Joe needs to file you on his taxes.
This is a dangerous person to have as a friend. Wow, just wow