I will never understand how they so badly misunderstood how most people don't watch fantasy entertainment to be constantly reminded about the things in modern life they wanted to escape for a short period of time.
They simply don't understand how it is to have imagination or be able to think outside the narrow confines of mundane everyday life. Their world is no bigger than their internet bubble, so their understanding of good and evil is just whatever leftist pundits and Twitter blue checkmarks tell them is good and evil. So whenever they have the job of developing an evil character, they just base him on their idea of Trump.
I love how they insert modernity into this series. When I look for entertainment to escape into I want real world politics to remind me constantly of what I should be thinking.
I feel the same way. Even if it was a political statement I agreed with I still dont want to see it. I watch and read fantasy to be entertained and to forget about life for a while.
That they took Tolkien's vision of pride and fear of suffering, decay, loss and death... epic, Shakespearean, Homeric ideas....and turned it into a banal political statement making Numenoreans into MAGA is pathetic.....the Kultural Kommisars have taken over. Art serving politics.
But how do you add politics to a show without everyone thinking there is a connection to the real world? If you already come into something not liking it. You'll connect dots to agree with your original view. It's a catch 22 that can never be won.
This show is EXACTLY what Tolkein DID NOT want ever happening to his life's work. And I don't understand how any Tolkein fan doesn't hate this show with a passion. I do.
Elrond has super sonar hearing and super eyesight to eavesdrop while standing beside a waterfall but soldier elves cant see an entire forest be torn down from a watch tower. We see Galdriel, on screen, warrior princess her way through several soldiers who were otherwise surrounding her. Then, the camera goes off her briefly, the camera returns to her and all the soldiers are lined up perfectly like ducks in a row running into the cell. Where the hell did Arondir get a bow, arrows, and an elf blade? Why would dark elf guy give his weapons back that would result in more orcs being killed, which we just saw him crying over a few scenes before? Lore inconsistency aside, this show is written by children and I feel like I am taking crazy pills.
people who like this crap must be those easily distracted by jangling keys and the like. This is why I don't want to see Tolkien's work degraded to their level
I was waching it with my gf. When she made the face i sead '' i t to eak with your menager'' 5 sec later when garadiel actualy sead that, we had to pause .
Remember, the 2 hacks who call themselves "showrunners" are proteges of JJ Abrams & Alex Kurzman AKA "the destroyers of beloved franchises". They worked prior on that godawful Picard show, which featured a sub-plot, where the Romulan refugees were victims of resentment & open racism from the citizens of the Federation, because "they took their jerbs". The Federation in Star Trek mind you, is an utopian society which has completely abandon the capitalist economy-system, like we use today, because they have replicator tech that can produce everything in abundance. Their model of the economy doesn´t work like our irl. But somehow, the Romulan migrants are "taking our jerbs!". The same hacks, now came up with this idiotic sub-plot here. "sOcIaL cOmMeNtArY" What´s next? Ar-Pharazon declaring that he will "make Numenor great again"?
I loved when Galadriel stood in front of the Queen regent and shouted at ther face: "Orange Man Bad!" We needed to heard this powerful message, this is so empowering and brave!
Galadriel, annoying, annoying Galadriel, "From her EARLIEST years, she had a marvelous gift of insight into the minds of others, but judged them with mercy and understanding, and she withheld her goodwill from none, save only Feanor." - J.R.R. Tolkien Not really getting those vibes here for some reason!
Wow, what an episode!! Lot of teleports, characters whit heavy plot armor and best of all many ALLEGORY!!! Tolkien would be proud he just love ALLEGORY!!! 🤮🤮🤮🤮
The Numenoreans weren't all descendants of Elros, they were the descendants of the 3 faithful houses of the Edain from the 1st age. The line of kings was descended from Elros. Adar loved his Orcs, yet he gave Arondir his weapons back, which he uses to kill Adar's Orcs. How stupid is Adar? He also set Arondir free in order to give a message to the people in the tower to surrender; wasn't Arondir looking to escape the trench so he could bring back a force of Elves to wipe the Orcs out only the day before? Seems he forgot to do that. This writing ...
You forget the "special power" granted to the characters by the showrunners... EVerYoNE iS a fOoL (Well, the list of exceptions is getting shorter, so I'd expect this to be true by the end : / )
It is the kind of writing that works only if you do not think about it for a second. ..which really tells me all I need to know about the fans of this show.
Ha. I completely forgot that he was supposed to be bringing an army of elves back to wipe the orcs like salt from a table. Guess they'll have a mini helm's deep episode and then be saved by Galadriel...
Didn't the palantir allow you to see through the other stones? It wasn't a prophecy device, Sauron was just using it to inject visions into Denethor's mind
I wasn't thrilled by that, either... The Council of the Rings channel (vying with here for "best review") justified that for Galadriel but not Miriel using JRRT quotes although personally I'd've thought that - at most - they could look back into history for a powerful user, rather than predicting or showing the future.
Actually I am currently rereading The Silmarillion and it says you can see through space and time. I was surprised as I thought of the Palantir as Middle Earth Zoom only.
They hired the actor who played a half-turned whitewalker in GoT to play an elf-half-turned-ork in RoP... What a group of gifted and visionary showrunners....
What really gets me, is that up to this point in the show, Sauron's presence or activity has hardly been proven to anyone. There is but the flimsiest of evidence that he's doing anything whatsoever. And yet, Numenor and its people are willing to go to war against him. WTF?
Hahaha the one about the time lines I was thinking thru like “well it could just be the stories being told in their time till they meet up” and then realized they all saw the meteor at the same time 😂😭
There was so much wrong about the boy in the village scene. I wrote a whole analysis of it in a comment at some point, it's so obvious that the actions don't make sense, but exist in order to have the characters hit the next scene that has to be hit. Arondil was supposed to go to the tower, and not the village, but he had to be there to save the boy, that had to get hurt, that had to hide in the well, that had to leave at night, when the orcs are active, it's just so, so incredibly dumb. They were getting shot at with arrows in the forest and then when they reach the clearing the orcs don't have bows and arrows anymore, for a whole minute, before magically obtaining them once more, when the characters have finally decided to keep moving. So, so dumb. It hurts my soul to see writing and directing that bad.
Disa's beard is perhaps the greatest reinterpretation of Tolkien's writing. Tolkien stated that dwarf women had beards, he just never said where. So the showrunners put it on top of her head. They don't change anything, but they reinterpret everything apparently.
3:49 The guy telling everyone that the elves don't tire, don't age, and will take their jobs, had his head bashed into a stone wall hard enough and enough times that he left two sizable blood smears on the stone. Yet they have him hear talking and looking like it was nothing but a sucker punch from some twig armed teen.
Why everything with the Dwarves is so much better than the rest of the show? I mean everything, acting, writing, sets, costumes etc, it's like a different studio made these scenes. If they made a show just for the Dwarves it might just had been passable.
That's yet another worry on the list of lore-breaking worries... albeit the showrunners have threatened to give Adar a "sob story" background which is, if anything, even worse as an excuse for a genuinely "evil" elf. : /
So the elf-descended-but-somehow-diverse ROP Numenoreans are united in their racism against elves. But the only way anyone can get to Numenor is by boat, and "the sea is always right?" TF
Those four guardsmen not-Galadriel pushed slightly inside the cell are the equivalent of the two Xwing pilots who patrol all across the galaxy in the grogu show...
The question I have is why doesn't Galadriel grab the ship back to Lindon and run to show Gil-Galad the evidence she has and get an real, trained army of elves instead a gaggle of volunteers from Numenor who haven't fought in centuries? Sure, Gil-Galad is going to give her crap about refusing the gift he gave her and now she's banned but that is the cards anyway. Even Gil-Galad can't ignore the evidence she managed to get and all his elf lore experts couldn't decipher because they didn't look at a map.
I think you nailed it with the army recruitment scene. We know from the trailers that scene of horses charging. It was what about 50. They have done what most movies do and lowered the size of battles. It never works. Jackson didn't do this and it was awesome. We basically have about twenty orcs fifty numernoreans and 20 elves. 15 dwarves and 20 villagers. I bet ya that's all we ever see in little small shots and set pieces. It utter garbage it really is.
It's so great when American productions force everyone in the viewing audience to watch American politics. Otherwise, we might watch programmes and not even think about Making Numenor Great Again. Of course, that would mean they'd have to *invent* material, or at a pinch follow the source material.
The Númenor scenes instantly reminded me of 1990's shows like Star Trek TNG or Hercules where town/city scenes were laughably unnatural. The new bland costumes; unrealistically low numbers of people for a large city; poorly prepped extras in the crowd half-assed grumbling and throwing a flaccid fist up, all the sets looked clean and built yesterday. Except these older shows had an excuse without a billion dollars and easy CGI.
I'm very much enjoying the video, but I do want to point out one thing. At around 8:10 Dan asks if the people of Numenor are all descended from Elros and the answer given is yes; however, it's really only the royal family and some of the noble houses that have descendants from Elros. The 'common folk,' as far as any Numenorean was common, are Edain yes but not descended from Elros. He'd have to have a LOT of kids to populate a huge island nation like Numenor! They were made up of the Three Houses of Men: The House of Haleth, The House of Beor, and the house of Hador. People of the House of Haleth were dark-haired but smaller in stature than the people of Bëor, who were lean, dark and tall, with "a shaggy head of dark hair flecked with grey, and in a pale stern face a pair of keen grey eyes." The House of Hador typically had blonde hair and blue eyes, and were some of the tallest folk in Beleriand, save for the Ñoldor and many of the Sindar Elves. Notably, the House of Haleth included in it's number the Drúedain, who were an alien folk to the other Men: resembling Dwarves in stature and endurance, stumpy, clumsy-limbed (with short, thick legs, and fat, "gnarled" arms). According to the Elves and other Men, they had "unlovely faces": wide, flat, and expressionless with deep-set black eyes that glowed red when angered. They had "horny" brows, flat noses, wide mouths, and sparse, lanky hair. They had no hair lower than the eyebrows, except for a few men who had a tail of black hair on the chin. So in this way, there actually was quite a bit of ethnic diversity on Numenor. All of these people I assume would have been "increased in body and mind" by Eonwe, the Maiar herald of Manwe and so would be more imposing and, supposedly, more clever as well... not counting their much expanded life span. Whether any would have been more similar in appearance to people of Rhun or Harad is less likely, though since they did have outposts in Harad as far as I remember, there may have been some Haradrim on the island as well, though they would not have been enhanced in the same fashion as the Numenoreans.
The Arondir action scene made zero sense. They armed him to deliver a message? He fast travels to exactly where the kid is? Then him and the kid outrun the village of orcs, while the kid has a leg wound?? Then his mom fast travels straight to them from out of nowhere?! Its the biggest successive line of bullshit I've ever scene.
Totally agree. Most of it is laughable. Helps “quell” the disappointment. Also, there are so many call backs to the PJ films here. They can’t seem to write anything that is intriguing or intelligent without borrowing it from the LoTR movies.
Ar-Pharazon in canon: "and they shook their fists at heaven, saying: 'The Lords of the West have plotted against us. They strike first. The next blow shall be ours!' These words the King himself spoke, but they were devised by Sauron." Pharazon in the show: "Drinks all around!" :) jokes aside the chancellor Palpatine...err chancellor Pharazon has a long way to go but so far he is not yet as impressive as he could be. It's a shame that this character will never benefit from actual Tolkien's writing, neither Silmarillion nor other writings: "He [Ar-Pharazôn] was a man of great beauty and strength/stature after the image of the first kings, and indeed in his youth was not unlike the Edain of old in mind also, though he had strength of will rather than of wisdom as after appeared, when he was corrupted by the counsels of his father and the acclaim of the people. In his earlier days he had a close friendship with Amandil who was afterwards Lord of Andunie …" The Peoples of Middle-earth ... “a leader in the wars that the Númenóreans made then in the coastlands of Middle-earth, seeking to extend their dominion over Men” The Silmarillion, The Akallabeth I must say I disagree with the assessment of the dwarven plot this episode! It's yet another needless drama, that whole thing about the mithril discovery being a secret also flies in the face of logical cause and effect, Eregion exists in canon SOLELY BECAUSE of the mithril discovery, the news spread, of new resource being found....we have "gold rush scenario" and Elves found a new realm both sides being eager to trade this new metal. The show introduced the whole mystery thing, but Eregion apparently exists for quite some time, not to mention Eregion elves and Celebrimbor in particular seem like morons, they live next door to the dwarf realm and they didn't think of making an alliance or diplomatic relation or trading relation AT ALL until Elrond arrived to treat with them?! WHAT?! Also why the whole need for dwarven workers on the forge, somehow Celebrimbor got that huge ass city of his build before, why the deadline for the forge (he wants to build it before spring) WHY? No idea, (setting aside that Celebrimbor is immortal elf who should have all the time in the world) the plot is what the writers want it to be without caring for bit of logic or internal consistency of the world, realism, feasibility etc.All the secretive nature of the dwarves aside I seriously doubt that they would be reluctant to tell anyone about the mithril, because mining the resources and doing stuff with it and SELLING it at large into the world is what they always do!
I was expecting Ar Pharazon to say, "let's make Numenor great again". This is such a comedy. Galadriel pushing 5 strong Numenorean soldiers into a cell with zero effort. Miriel, is another powerful woman with visions of the future. Oh, brother!
@@goodputin4324 Yes I know all those details, who cares when it comes to ROP. Bloody Miriel is the Queen in Numenor, which she never was in Tolkien's lore.
I really really don't understand why they spent the time to shoot that scene of Disa's elephant leg, it must be some kind of beauty massage they're trying to send out?
Somehow its a billion dollar show but they dont even try to hire just a hundred more extras for the crowd speech. They don't seem to feel like a few small dozens of people makes the scene feels small.
Apparently JB and his upper level minions needed a vehicle with which to launder their coke and hooker expenses. Because they couldn't have possibly spent anywhere near that amount on this production.
Wait, didn't the writerds have insane awesome credits before being given the helm of one of, if not the biggest fantasy lores of all time?..... .......oh 😔
considering 4 episodes have passed and little has actually happened I think the overall story will be as Bilbo felt at his 111th birthday as butter scraped thin over too much bread
Nothing worthwhile. I've found the problem and won't happen again. It's so hard to get our schedules to line up--there was no way to re-record it. 🤦♂️
By this point it is painfully obvious that they tried to do the "right thing", giving flaws to the main character for her to have a story arc. But they fall flat on their face on the execution as the result is a whining baby that no one likes enough to see her grow up.
It makes no sense, it wasn't that long ago the previous episode established the elves didn't have the labor force to build a massive Forge. Is why Eldra had to go to the drwafts, so why would elves go after human jobs? The show writers have no world building skills.
The plot armour in this show is thick. Galadriel, unarmed and in a restrictive dress, 1v5s Numenorean soldiers. Arondir, is released to do a task that any of the orcs or Adar could have done. They didn’t even injure him to prevent him from fighting. These are orcs, they aren’t exactly known for their gentle treatment of prisoners
Exactly, Sauron sent Orcs, the Nazgul and The Mouth of Sauron to send messages. Now what? The people leave the tower and it's empty when the Orcs come to attack them?🤣
Software glitch? You had 2 microphone inputs going at the same time. Probably the mic and the camera voice input. Just admit it and don't blame the software.
Theo found the magic sword in the farmhouse, the orcs are desperately looking for the sword, turns out the farmhouse owner is a Sauron sympathizer..... why didn't the farmer just give the sword to the orcs? Am I missing something here, or does this just seem like bad writing again.
At the End of All, someone should say this to Mr. Bezos: You are a delivery guy. You figured out how to deliver packages efficiently. This made you a billionaire... but that doesn't mean your are cultured or sophisticated or smart. You are, and you always be a a delivery guy. Stay with you know best and stop embarrassing yourself messing up with cultural concepts you cannot comprehend.
Galadriel will be "mightily" humbled when the "good" man she gradually befriends and champions throughout the series (Halbrand) is Sauron himself. She will have helped him to not only gather his army and deceive leaders of the West , but forge the rings in the splendid new tower currently being built. Essentially, the one she has been single-mindedly seeking vengeance on these hundreds of years will use her to become a true existential threat to Middle Earth. Thus, the silly "prophesy" by Gil-galad of a fire stoking the thing it wishes to extinguish, comes true; as does the "prophetic" visions of Numenor's watery demise in the palantir that begins with the coming of an elf. Will anyone still be watching to say "Ooh, how clever" or really care by the time this happens? Doubtful. Should add that her choice of the dark sea over the light of Valinor sets all this in motion and harkens back to her brother's warning. "Fate" is set in motion from the opening scene of this travesty of a series, and sealed when she dives into the dark ocean, which excuses her being found in the middle of the ocean and so on, ad nauseam. Blaah. This idea could have worked if written with subtlety and intelligence but, alas, the writers were not up to the challenge and we are left with a paint-by-numbers plot full of unforgivable holes and bad dialogue.
I kind of figure that Halbrand is one of the nine that become the nazgul down the line instead of being Sauron. Only two of the nine are named and we know that three of them come from Numenor and that one of them is an Easterling. That leaves five people that are not described that they could play around with. The character also strikes me as someone who would be easily corrupted on a path trying to prove himself to me anyway. I just don't think we've seen Sauron yet other than that one scene in the first episode.
Elros came to numenor w 150 ships. There were several trips. There could have been good easterlings (from Bor and Bolfast descent). And we know there were Druedain. So NOT ALL DESCENDANTS OF ELROS. Even the Silmarillion made a distinction when it talked about the ages of the regular numemoreans vs the house of ELROS
Jonathan’s echoing sigh of despair should play as a trigger warning on Amazon before each episode. *sigh* “This episode contains the following triggers: desolation of existing lore, rampant boredom, middle-school drama, and Harfoot barbarism.”
Hopefully the targaryens will take over middle earth and make this show interesting. Rings of Power just isnt captivating. I've written better D&D adventures when I'm high!
I was expecting your comments on the palantir scene between Galadriel and Miriel. She says 6 out of 7 were missing, which breaks the lore and the original storyline completely. Additionally, if a mortal like Miriel can foresee the future through a Palantir, how come Sauron, an all powerful immortal Maia, can't see the one ring being cast into the fires of Mount Doom in the future? I guess a powerful mortal woman has far superior powers than a powerful Maia. 😁🤣😂
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I will never understand how they so badly misunderstood how most people don't watch fantasy entertainment to be constantly reminded about the things in modern life they wanted to escape for a short period of time.
They simply don't understand how it is to have imagination or be able to think outside the narrow confines of mundane everyday life. Their world is no bigger than their internet bubble, so their understanding of good and evil is just whatever leftist pundits and Twitter blue checkmarks tell them is good and evil. So whenever they have the job of developing an evil character, they just base him on their idea of Trump.
It appears that TDS continues to affect all aspects of life these days.
And Tolkien LOATHED allegory, full stop, new paragraph!
I love how they insert modernity into this series. When I look for entertainment to escape into I want real world politics to remind me constantly of what I should be thinking.
I feel the same way. Even if it was a political statement I agreed with I still dont want to see it. I watch and read fantasy to be entertained and to forget about life for a while.
"AlL aRt Is PoLiTiCaL!!!!"
That they took Tolkien's vision of pride and fear of suffering, decay, loss and death... epic, Shakespearean, Homeric ideas....and turned it into a banal political statement making Numenoreans into MAGA is pathetic.....the Kultural Kommisars have taken over. Art serving politics.
@@ronangarey7327 Umm, Ok?
But how do you add politics to a show without everyone thinking there is a connection to the real world?
If you already come into something not liking it. You'll connect dots to agree with your original view. It's a catch 22 that can never be won.
"drinks all around" in an open city square. feels like a mel brooks parody.
Who needs bread and circuses when you have beer?
Trust their Karl Marx to make political capital of the situation!
Yes. Was waiting for him to exclaim "it's good to be the king!"
This show is EXACTLY what Tolkein DID NOT want ever happening to his life's work. And I don't understand how any Tolkein fan doesn't hate this show with a passion. I do.
All Tolkien fans hate this.
Elrond has super sonar hearing and super eyesight to eavesdrop while standing beside a waterfall but soldier elves cant see an entire forest be torn down from a watch tower.
We see Galdriel, on screen, warrior princess her way through several soldiers who were otherwise surrounding her. Then, the camera goes off her briefly, the camera returns to her and all the soldiers are lined up perfectly like ducks in a row running into the cell.
Where the hell did Arondir get a bow, arrows, and an elf blade? Why would dark elf guy give his weapons back that would result in more orcs being killed, which we just saw him crying over a few scenes before?
Lore inconsistency aside, this show is written by children and I feel like I am taking crazy pills.
people who like this crap must be those easily distracted by jangling keys and the like. This is why I don't want to see Tolkien's work degraded to their level
*Guyladriel
The orcs kept the elf's things in a locker just in case he needed them later.
😂😂 love your comment! so true how on earth did he get tht elf blade?! did adar give it to him or he found it laying casually in tht village🤣🔪
It was a loot drop
When Galadriel asks to see the King, she is actually demanding/threatening to speak to the manager
2nd time she's done it (first was ep 1 demanding to talk to Gil-Galad)
Like a Karen
I was waching it with my gf. When she made the face i sead '' i t to eak with your menager'' 5 sec later when garadiel actualy sead that, we had to pause .
The more episodes i watch, the more i realize that
peter jackson and Phillipa boyens deserved every oscar for th original trilogy
Remember, the 2 hacks who call themselves "showrunners" are proteges of JJ Abrams & Alex Kurzman AKA "the destroyers of beloved franchises". They worked prior on that godawful Picard show, which featured a sub-plot, where the Romulan refugees were victims of resentment & open racism from the citizens of the Federation, because "they took their jerbs".
The Federation in Star Trek mind you, is an utopian society which has completely abandon the capitalist economy-system, like we use today, because they have replicator tech that can produce everything in abundance. Their model of the economy doesn´t work like our irl. But somehow, the Romulan migrants are "taking our jerbs!".
The same hacks, now came up with this idiotic sub-plot here.
"sOcIaL cOmMeNtArY"
What´s next?
Ar-Pharazon declaring that he will "make Numenor great again"?
All the Bad Reboot ‘tricks’ are fully on display.
I'm almost certain there'll be a peasant selling red MNGA caps in the next episode.
I fully expect Ar-Pharazon (the ar part means king) to tell them to seize the means of production.
I loved when Galadriel stood in front of the Queen regent and shouted at ther face: "Orange Man Bad!" We needed to heard this powerful message, this is so empowering and brave!
Galadriel, annoying, annoying Galadriel,
"From her EARLIEST years, she had a marvelous gift of insight into the minds of others, but judged them with mercy and understanding, and she withheld her goodwill from none, save only Feanor." - J.R.R. Tolkien
Not really getting those vibes here for some reason!
I'm wondering, though, if her arrival is enough to presage the sinking of a whole island, does that make Warrior Galadriel... a Mary Tsunami?
@@dw620 "You write what you know", and that tells a lot about the scripwriters of this massive trainwreck.
Wow, what an episode!!
Lot of teleports, characters whit heavy plot armor and best of all many ALLEGORY!!!
Tolkien would be proud he just love ALLEGORY!!!
🤮🤮🤮🤮
And they don't even have GoT's excuse of a "dragon taxi". 😂
"What have the Elves ever done for us?"
now, this (show) is what I call a dead parrot,
Don’t apologize for the echo, you sound like Mandos rendering his dooms upon this show. 😆
Bahahaahhaha. I wish he said 'get thee gone from my gate thou jailcrow of mandos' with the echo
I loved all the modern, on the nose allegory in this episode. Definitely honors everything Professor Tolkien loved and stood for.
And of course, he also "loved" the allegory.
If Warrior Galadriel's arrival is enough to presage the sinking of Numenor does that make her... a Mary Tsunami? 😂😂
Mary Tsunami..... kind of Mega Mary Sue.... LOVE IT.
You win the internet. I am not worthy.
Galadriel: let's fight for the Southlands
Queen: go screw yourself
~~petals fall from tree~~
Queen: fuck it; let's do it!!!
😂😂😂😂😂
The Numenoreans weren't all descendants of Elros, they were the descendants of the 3 faithful houses of the Edain from the 1st age. The line of kings was descended from Elros.
Adar loved his Orcs, yet he gave Arondir his weapons back, which he uses to kill Adar's Orcs. How stupid is Adar? He also set Arondir free in order to give a message to the people in the tower to surrender; wasn't Arondir looking to escape the trench so he could bring back a force of Elves to wipe the Orcs out only the day before? Seems he forgot to do that. This writing ...
You forget the "special power" granted to the characters by the showrunners...
EVerYoNE iS a fOoL
(Well, the list of exceptions is getting shorter, so I'd expect this to be true by the end : / )
It is the kind of writing that works only if you do not think about it for a second.
..which really tells me all I need to know about the fans of this show.
Ha. I completely forgot that he was supposed to be bringing an army of elves back to wipe the orcs like salt from a table.
Guess they'll have a mini helm's deep episode and then be saved by Galadriel...
The single mom is the only woman in middle earth that wears a sleeveless top. Why??
Thank you! It seems trivial but when shes the ONLY woman on the show who shows serious skin, its noticeable. Weird decision
To show off her boobs is my guess. Or maybe she is in the world's oldest profession.
She's also apparently the only woman in the Southlands that isn't frumpy and/or filthy.
It really bothers me. It's not very decent.
When they lock Galadriel in jail the door close one way, and later on when she pushes the guard in, the door close the other way.
And noone on set noticed. Or more likely, didn't care.
Make Numenor great again
Build that wall!
Exactly! Break out the red hats!
Apparently the entire adult population of Numenor can fit into a space the size of a six car parking lot. And it must be Casual Robe Friday.
Didn't the palantir allow you to see through the other stones? It wasn't a prophecy device, Sauron was just using it to inject visions into Denethor's mind
I wasn't thrilled by that, either...
The Council of the Rings channel (vying with here for "best review") justified that for Galadriel but not Miriel using JRRT quotes although personally I'd've thought that - at most - they could look back into history for a powerful user, rather than predicting or showing the future.
Exactly, it was their equivalent to our Zoom. This detail shows how much research these hacks have done.
And you don't see yourself inside of the Palatir either...
Actually I am currently rereading The Silmarillion and it says you can see through space and time. I was surprised as I thought of the Palantir as Middle Earth Zoom only.
@@teresad7102 Yeah, I looked it up and you're right, you can.
Like those SUPER TOLKIEN SCHOLARS are really paying off, ain't they?
Adar would have made a much better Elrond.
'Nah he doesnt look androgynous enough and is not meek and mild'- the writers
They hired the actor who played a half-turned whitewalker in GoT to play an elf-half-turned-ork in RoP... What a group of gifted and visionary showrunners....
What really gets me, is that up to this point in the show, Sauron's presence or activity has hardly been proven to anyone. There is but the flimsiest of evidence that he's doing anything whatsoever. And yet, Numenor and its people are willing to go to war against him. WTF?
Even bootleg Aragorn (Halbrand/Sauron) was laughing when they locked up petulant Galadriel.
Hahaha the one about the time lines I was thinking thru like “well it could just be the stories being told in their time till they meet up” and then realized they all saw the meteor at the same time 😂😭
When the highlight is the lack of Harfoots with Sir (Lenny Henry) Not-Appearing-in-this-Episode, per Monty Python, you know you're in trouble... 😂😂
"Make Numenor Great Again" episode. But of course, the show is not influenced by modern politics.......
There was so much wrong about the boy in the village scene. I wrote a whole analysis of it in a comment at some point, it's so obvious that the actions don't make sense, but exist in order to have the characters hit the next scene that has to be hit. Arondil was supposed to go to the tower, and not the village, but he had to be there to save the boy, that had to get hurt, that had to hide in the well, that had to leave at night, when the orcs are active, it's just so, so incredibly dumb.
They were getting shot at with arrows in the forest and then when they reach the clearing the orcs don't have bows and arrows anymore, for a whole minute, before magically obtaining them once more, when the characters have finally decided to keep moving. So, so dumb. It hurts my soul to see writing and directing that bad.
Disa's beard is perhaps the greatest reinterpretation of Tolkien's writing. Tolkien stated that dwarf women had beards, he just never said where. So the showrunners put it on top of her head. They don't change anything, but they reinterpret everything apparently.
Lol!!!! 😆
3:49 The guy telling everyone that the elves don't tire, don't age, and will take their jobs, had his head bashed into a stone wall hard enough and enough times that he left two sizable blood smears on the stone. Yet they have him hear talking and looking like it was nothing but a sucker punch from some twig armed teen.
Those pointy-ears taking our jobs and our women lol. It's like an episode of "Father Ted".
Why everything with the Dwarves is so much better than the rest of the show? I mean everything, acting, writing, sets, costumes etc, it's like a different studio made these scenes. If they made a show just for the Dwarves it might just had been passable.
Really? And it's still laughably bad.
Those stars on Adar could be Maeglin's emblem. Nothing is impossible with these writers.
That's yet another worry on the list of lore-breaking worries... albeit the showrunners have threatened to give Adar a "sob story" background which is, if anything, even worse as an excuse for a genuinely "evil" elf. : /
Ohhh no. People are starting to say this is true 😢
Also, if he was an Elf captured by "the Hunter", he should be calling himself "Atar" with a Tinco.
So the elf-descended-but-somehow-diverse ROP Numenoreans are united in their racism against elves. But the only way anyone can get to Numenor is by boat, and "the sea is always right?" TF
"We will build a wall, a great wall around Numenor and it will be wonderful."
"....and we will make the Elves pay for it!"
MNGA
@@doublep1980 and boats float because they look up.
Those four guardsmen not-Galadriel pushed slightly inside the cell are the equivalent of the two Xwing pilots who patrol all across the galaxy in the grogu show...
They fell into that cell.
@@fineganswake23 plunged 🤣
The question I have is why doesn't Galadriel grab the ship back to Lindon and run to show Gil-Galad the evidence she has and get an real, trained army of elves instead a gaggle of volunteers from Numenor who haven't fought in centuries? Sure, Gil-Galad is going to give her crap about refusing the gift he gave her and now she's banned but that is the cards anyway. Even Gil-Galad can't ignore the evidence she managed to get and all his elf lore experts couldn't decipher because they didn't look at a map.
Coz they want a scene of the army with the two ‘gals’ riding at the front charging into battle. It’s that simple.
Don't try to apply logic to RoP
I can imagine "Gil-Galad's" face when he sees her again: "Oh, no! It's her again! Whyyy?!"🤣
The irony of the “Swedish girl who shakes her fist” comment @ 10:00 is that Morfydd Clark was actually born in Sweden...
I think you nailed it with the army recruitment scene. We know from the trailers that scene of horses charging. It was what about 50. They have done what most movies do and lowered the size of battles. It never works. Jackson didn't do this and it was awesome. We basically have about twenty orcs fifty numernoreans and 20 elves. 15 dwarves and 20 villagers. I bet ya that's all we ever see in little small shots and set pieces. It utter garbage it really is.
It's so great when American productions force everyone in the viewing audience to watch American politics. Otherwise, we might watch programmes and not even think about Making Numenor Great Again. Of course, that would mean they'd have to *invent* material, or at a pinch follow the source material.
The Númenor scenes instantly reminded me of 1990's shows like Star Trek TNG or Hercules where town/city scenes were laughably unnatural. The new bland costumes; unrealistically low numbers of people for a large city; poorly prepped extras in the crowd half-assed grumbling and throwing a flaccid fist up, all the sets looked clean and built yesterday. Except these older shows had an excuse without a billion dollars and easy CGI.
Can't wait for next episode where Guyladriel trains the Numenorians how to fight.
What kind of friend is Elrond? Durin was trying to save Dwarves and Elrond just left to join Deesa Singing.
In my head I think of Payne and McKay as "Dunning & Kruger"
I'm very much enjoying the video, but I do want to point out one thing. At around 8:10 Dan asks if the people of Numenor are all descended from Elros and the answer given is yes; however, it's really only the royal family and some of the noble houses that have descendants from Elros. The 'common folk,' as far as any Numenorean was common, are Edain yes but not descended from Elros. He'd have to have a LOT of kids to populate a huge island nation like Numenor!
They were made up of the Three Houses of Men: The House of Haleth, The House of Beor, and the house of Hador. People of the House of Haleth were dark-haired but smaller in stature than the people of Bëor, who were lean, dark and tall, with "a shaggy head of dark hair flecked with grey, and in a pale stern face a pair of keen grey eyes." The House of Hador typically had blonde hair and blue eyes, and were some of the tallest folk in Beleriand, save for the Ñoldor and many of the Sindar Elves. Notably, the House of Haleth included in it's number the Drúedain, who were an alien folk to the other Men: resembling Dwarves in stature and endurance, stumpy, clumsy-limbed (with short, thick legs, and fat, "gnarled" arms). According to the Elves and other Men, they had "unlovely faces": wide, flat, and expressionless with deep-set black eyes that glowed red when angered. They had "horny" brows, flat noses, wide mouths, and sparse, lanky hair. They had no hair lower than the eyebrows, except for a few men who had a tail of black hair on the chin.
So in this way, there actually was quite a bit of ethnic diversity on Numenor. All of these people I assume would have been "increased in body and mind" by Eonwe, the Maiar herald of Manwe and so would be more imposing and, supposedly, more clever as well... not counting their much expanded life span. Whether any would have been more similar in appearance to people of Rhun or Harad is less likely, though since they did have outposts in Harad as far as I remember, there may have been some Haradrim on the island as well, though they would not have been enhanced in the same fashion as the Numenoreans.
The Arondir action scene made zero sense. They armed him to deliver a message? He fast travels to exactly where the kid is? Then him and the kid outrun the village of orcs, while the kid has a leg wound?? Then his mom fast travels straight to them from out of nowhere?!
Its the biggest successive line of bullshit I've ever scene.
"Rings of Boredom is a natural laxative or can be used as a teaching aid for upcoming writers on how to destroy Lore and be despised by millions!!
The echo adds an aura of authority not found in another review ;-)
Elrond acts in a friendly, warm and patient way. Galadriel is a petulant toddler who throws tantrums.
Prince Humperdinck's dream wedding had a better crowd than Pharazon's speech.
I've decided to view TRoP as a comedy show. That ensures I can't be disappointed.
Totally agree. Most of it is laughable. Helps “quell” the disappointment. Also, there are so many call backs to the PJ films here. They can’t seem to write anything that is intriguing or intelligent without borrowing it from the LoTR movies.
I have seen Lotr parodies, and this can definitely be just another one🤣
Remember the actress literally had to go to therapy due to the action scenes. So don't expect anything beyond light touching.
Ar-Pharazon in canon: "and they shook their fists at heaven, saying: 'The Lords of the West have plotted against us. They strike first. The next blow shall be ours!' These words the King himself spoke, but they were devised by Sauron."
Pharazon in the show: "Drinks all around!"
:) jokes aside the chancellor Palpatine...err chancellor Pharazon has a long way to go but so far he is not yet as impressive as he could be. It's a shame that this character will never benefit from actual Tolkien's writing, neither Silmarillion nor other writings:
"He [Ar-Pharazôn] was a man of great beauty and strength/stature after the image of the first kings, and indeed in his youth was not unlike the Edain of old in mind also, though he had strength of will rather than of wisdom as after appeared, when he was corrupted by the counsels of his father and the acclaim of the people. In his earlier days he had a close friendship with Amandil who was afterwards Lord of Andunie …" The Peoples of Middle-earth
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“a leader in the wars that the Númenóreans made then in the coastlands of Middle-earth, seeking to extend their dominion over Men” The Silmarillion, The Akallabeth
I must say I disagree with the assessment of the dwarven plot this episode! It's yet another needless drama, that whole thing about the mithril discovery being a secret also flies in the face of logical cause and effect, Eregion exists in canon SOLELY BECAUSE of the mithril discovery, the news spread, of new resource being found....we have "gold rush scenario" and Elves found a new realm both sides being eager to trade this new metal. The show introduced the whole mystery thing, but Eregion apparently exists for quite some time, not to mention Eregion elves and Celebrimbor in particular seem like morons, they live next door to the dwarf realm and they didn't think of making an alliance or diplomatic relation or trading relation AT ALL until Elrond arrived to treat with them?! WHAT?! Also why the whole need for dwarven workers on the forge, somehow Celebrimbor got that huge ass city of his build before, why the deadline for the forge (he wants to build it before spring) WHY? No idea, (setting aside that Celebrimbor is immortal elf who should have all the time in the world) the plot is what the writers want it to be without caring for bit of logic or internal consistency of the world, realism, feasibility etc.All the secretive nature of the dwarves aside I seriously doubt that they would be reluctant to tell anyone about the mithril, because mining the resources and doing stuff with it and SELLING it at large into the world is what they always do!
I thought it was probably the best episode so far.. but being the best of a bad lot doesn’t make it good.
What's with the echo? You sound like you're channeling Sauron :)
I was expecting Ar Pharazon to say, "let's make Numenor great again". This is such a comedy. Galadriel pushing 5 strong Numenorean soldiers into a cell with zero effort. Miriel, is another powerful woman with visions of the future. Oh, brother!
MNGA???? doesn't rolls easy from the tongue, does it?
...and with a wave of her hand...
I'm pretty confident looking at it twice, they all pushed themselves in, LOL!
His name is Pharazon. Ar is only added once he became King
@@goodputin4324 Yes I know all those details, who cares when it comes to ROP. Bloody Miriel is the Queen in Numenor, which she never was in Tolkien's lore.
-"She's not Swedish, at least I´ll give her that"
It is funny because Morfyd Clark is actually quite literally born in Sweden :D
We do not claim her.
@@MaxSoininen Hahaha, nej det gör vi fan inte!!! 🫠🤮
What’s with the reverb my dude?
lol, mediocre D&D module would be a compliment
Elros is not the progenitor of the entire Númenorean population, just of the royal line.
I really really don't understand why they spent the time to shoot that scene of Disa's elephant leg, it must be some kind of beauty massage they're trying to send out?
Somehow its a billion dollar show but they dont even try to hire just a hundred more extras for the crowd speech.
They don't seem to feel like a few small dozens of people makes the scene feels small.
Apparently JB and his upper level minions needed a vehicle with which to launder their coke and hooker expenses. Because they couldn't have possibly spent anywhere near that amount on this production.
Wait, didn't the writerds have insane awesome credits before being given the helm of one of, if not the biggest fantasy lores of all time?.....
.......oh 😔
They took your jobs!
Durr durrka durr!
Are they trying to cover the fall of numenor in one season? Because it feels like that with how they rush things.
They won’t show it, it’ll happen off-screen. It’s ‘Tell don’t show, atrocious storytelling’
considering 4 episodes have passed and little has actually happened I think the overall story will be as Bilbo felt at his 111th birthday as butter scraped thin over too much bread
They confused Durin IV anc Durin VI. It's Durin VI who releases the Balrog during the Third Age. 🤣
They don't care. Durin III and Durin IV shouldn't be alive at the same time as well
Tolkien loved allegory. Will these job stealing Elves be wearing sombreros? RoP is an insult to fans and my culture.🇬🇧
Could not get through this one with that horrible echo. Was there no way to fix that in post?
Nothing worthwhile. I've found the problem and won't happen again. It's so hard to get our schedules to line up--there was no way to re-record it. 🤦♂️
By this point it is painfully obvious that they tried to do the "right thing", giving flaws to the main character for her to have a story arc. But they fall flat on their face on the execution as the result is a whining baby that no one likes enough to see her grow up.
Elves coming to take your job. Also health insurance and paid personal days off.
So sometimes elvs have powers but mostly no?
Their primary power is perfect haircuts, apparently.
Disa looks so silly. Also how is Miriel's dad white? Did he supposedly marry an Easterling woman?
It appears Mrs. Claus had herself a tryst with a dark lord.
Easterlings are not sub Saharan Africans.
@@zoebaggins90 Oh yea I meant to say Haradrim
It makes no sense, it wasn't that long ago the previous episode established the elves didn't have the labor force to build a massive Forge. Is why Eldra had to go to the drwafts, so why would elves go after human jobs?
The show writers have no world building skills.
Let there be Cocktail Waitresses!!!
Sorry but the whole thing about the Dwarf children singing a rhyme that led Elrond to the door was stupid.
The plot armour in this show is thick. Galadriel, unarmed and in a restrictive dress, 1v5s Numenorean soldiers. Arondir, is released to do a task that any of the orcs or Adar could have done. They didn’t even injure him to prevent him from fighting. These are orcs, they aren’t exactly known for their gentle treatment of prisoners
They not only released him but gave him all his weapons back.
Exactly, Sauron sent Orcs, the Nazgul and The Mouth of Sauron to send messages. Now what? The people leave the tower and it's empty when the Orcs come to attack them?🤣
The Numenoreans certainly like their drink - Halbrand's tactic as well.
"What do you get in exchange of selling your soul?"
Númenóreans: "A drink."
Why is the audio messed up like an echo?
That echo is making this unwatchable.
They took ur juuurb!
How many episodes until Ar Pharazon screams make Numenor Great Again?
The one ring, why you got MASSIVE echo?
he is in several places at once. How can al this be? for he IS the kwisatz haderach! Oh, sorry, wrong franchise 🤣
He's in his mancave, and all caves have echoes .
Software glitch? You had 2 microphone inputs going at the same time. Probably the mic and the camera voice input. Just admit it and don't blame the software.
Infantile writing.
They took ur jerbs!
Disa is THICC 😂
Can you add this episode on Spotify?!
Theo found the magic sword in the farmhouse, the orcs are desperately looking for the sword, turns out the farmhouse owner is a Sauron sympathizer..... why didn't the farmer just give the sword to the orcs? Am I missing something here, or does this just seem like bad writing again.
At the End of All, someone should say this to Mr. Bezos:
You are a delivery guy. You figured out how to deliver packages efficiently. This made you a billionaire... but that doesn't mean your are cultured or sophisticated or smart. You are, and you always be a a delivery guy.
Stay with you know best and stop embarrassing yourself messing up with cultural concepts you cannot comprehend.
Galadriel will be "mightily" humbled when the "good" man she gradually befriends and champions throughout the series (Halbrand) is Sauron himself. She will have helped him to not only gather his army and deceive leaders of the West , but forge the rings in the splendid new tower currently being built. Essentially, the one she has been single-mindedly seeking vengeance on these hundreds of years will use her to become a true existential threat to Middle Earth. Thus, the silly "prophesy" by Gil-galad of a fire stoking the thing it wishes to extinguish, comes true; as does the "prophetic" visions of Numenor's watery demise in the palantir that begins with the coming of an elf. Will anyone still be watching to say "Ooh, how clever" or really care by the time this happens? Doubtful. Should add that her choice of the dark sea over the light of Valinor sets all this in motion and harkens back to her brother's warning. "Fate" is set in motion from the opening scene of this travesty of a series, and sealed when she dives into the dark ocean, which excuses her being found in the middle of the ocean and so on, ad nauseam. Blaah. This idea could have worked if written with subtlety and intelligence but, alas, the writers were not up to the challenge and we are left with a paint-by-numbers plot full of unforgivable holes and bad dialogue.
I kind of figure that Halbrand is one of the nine that become the nazgul down the line instead of being Sauron. Only two of the nine are named and we know that three of them come from Numenor and that one of them is an Easterling. That leaves five people that are not described that they could play around with. The character also strikes me as someone who would be easily corrupted on a path trying to prove himself to me anyway. I just don't think we've seen Sauron yet other than that one scene in the first episode.
Love you guys. Watched every one of the Bees LOTR and you remain faithful
Elros came to numenor w 150 ships. There were several trips. There could have been good easterlings (from Bor and Bolfast descent). And we know there were Druedain. So NOT ALL DESCENDANTS OF ELROS.
Even the Silmarillion made a distinction when it talked about the ages of the regular numemoreans vs the house of ELROS
Jonathan’s echoing sigh of despair should play as a trigger warning on Amazon before each episode.
*sigh* “This episode contains the following triggers: desolation of existing lore, rampant boredom, middle-school drama, and Harfoot barbarism.”
The crowd chanting "Elf lover", sounds oddly similar to the Simpsons chant of "pink belly"...
I can't unhear it...
Hopefully the targaryens will take over middle earth and make this show interesting. Rings of Power just isnt captivating. I've written better D&D adventures when I'm high!
When Galadriel demanded to speak to the manager of Numenor
That is a HAM not a leg
I was expecting your comments on the palantir scene between Galadriel and Miriel. She says 6 out of 7 were missing, which breaks the lore and the original storyline completely. Additionally, if a mortal like Miriel can foresee the future through a Palantir, how come Sauron, an all powerful immortal Maia, can't see the one ring being cast into the fires of Mount Doom in the future? I guess a powerful mortal woman has far superior powers than a powerful Maia. 😁🤣😂
I've been giggling at that thumbnail for a while now.