@@jimcallahan448 From checking their website, it seems most of ASUS's desktop PC motherboards are upgradeable, but it appears their laptop boards are not upgradeable.
nice video thanks! something i learned the hard way: Volume 1 (in your case the one made up from HDDs) is the one that actually has the operating system installed. This means the drives it is installed on will never shut down (if you have for example docker containers running) This is why i would suggest you initialize (first setup) with only NVME drive in, so your system can be installed on faster, lower power consuming and much quieter drive also be carefull with those nvme drives, they are only consumer level drives and if you move a lot of data, you can easily kill them very fast. For example the WD red nvme drives can read/write several times more data before they die than regular drives you put in. thanks and good luck
Thank you for sharing your experience with us. Actually I have docker containers running. I know that the NVMEs have a limited write volume, but I don't think that much data goes through the cache. But I will keep an eye on the SMART values of the NVME SSDs and switch to Enterprise SSDs if necessary. BR Esperto
Excellent videos with very clear explanation. One question please, Can we use SSD NVMe as a volume only or only SSD caching? I want to use NAS to backup 2TB data.
Thank you 😃 You can use SSD as normal volumes. I did that too. You don’t have to use the SSD as a cache. Another commenter also mentioned that, if you initialise the NAS with a SSD as Volume 1 then the HDDs “can hibernate” because the OS will be installed on the SSDs. BR Esperto
Thanks. With 2 driver I would say RAID 1 is a good start. You'll literally save your data twice and you'll have a total storage of 14 TB. Later with a third drive you could switch to RAID 5. Then you'll have 28TB storage and the third drive is the parity drive. But maybe anybody here have also a different suggestion? BR
@Esperto, Nice detailed video, Thanks! 😄 I have a question for you, if you can't answer because you didn't test it, that is fine: Can AS6704T with Plex encode at least 2x 1080P high bitrate files and subtitles simultaneously to 720p, or does the CPU throttle?
Thank you. I didn't test your scenario exactly, but I've open 2 1080p movies and activate the subtitle. I did it with JellyFin in two separate browser windows. The CPU usage was about 5 to 8% per video. I didn't see anything strange. Also downsampling to 720p seems to be no problem. The CPU usage doesn't change that much, maybe by 2 or 3%. I hope this helps a little bit 😊
@@Esperto84 Thanks for your reply. I'm just wondering if it's running at the speed advertised or if it gets capped out. I know it's unbuffered ECC SODIMM RAm, but is there a way to check? I already ordered TEAMGROUP 16GB 3200 CL32 RAM, but if I can get away with returning it for someting faster that will actually run at the listed speed, then I will. (I have the Lockerstor 6 Gen2, just out of the box, haven't booted it up yet)
what is the point of 64gig of ram, I thought the cpu in these could only address 16 gig. FWIW I put a 16 gig stick in mine so running 20 all together which works fine for me.
Yes, and on their website is stated that 2x8GB is supported. (www.asustor.com/en-gb/product/spec?p_id=77=) And I think, I'm not 100 percent sure anymore, but one person here in the comment said, that also 32 GB are working, but I didn't test this statement.
That sounds strange. Perhaps Asustor has released a new revision. Have you checked to see if there is another screw or even some other mechanism holding the SATA board in place? I hope Asustor haven't glued or even soldered the board in place, which is illogical as otherwise you can no longer access the other components.
5:50 If you want more speed you DO NOT do link aggregation. Instead you connect both net interfaces to switch and have smb multichannel working. Link aggregation and smb multichannel are mutually exclusive.
Sistema de instalación raid1 de producción 1+2 en estado sólido. 3+4 se utiliza para la aceleración. 4 discos duros mecánicos utilizan raid 5. Es más rápido y seguro.
Not a fan of the crucial P3 drives there TBW is pretty aweful. For example the 2TB drive has a TBW of 440 TBW which frankly sucks, when compare to other drive of similar prices from brand named companies have 1200tb.
Hey, at the time of filming SSD price were pretty high. The intention was that as read and write cache it wouldn't be that bad if a SSD failed because I doesn't store any important data on them.
Saw a comment from a user on RaidOwl's youtube channel ( ruclips.net/video/MdcRPTmf_3M/видео.html ) that he had upgraded for virtualization to 32Gb. While officially Intel doesn't support this, apparently it is possible, and I note that TerraMaster on the same chip says it is possible. :)
Yeah, based on their website I thought a 300 MT/s different won't be noticeable that much. But instead a faster RAM was installed. But I'm good with that and I could upgrade it anytime anyway. 😀
I think it relates also to the purpose. If I want a system which has to be responsive in the fastest way I would try to use the fastest components I get. And it also a question of your budget and needs.
@@tim3172this has been scientifically disproven multiple times by multiple different sources, via math as well as testing. The higher frequencies can and do make up for the latency increase in almost all cases There are very few use cases where the requirement for small latency is so great that the actual speed doesn't matter, but in almost every other case the overall performance of the system is far more important than just acknowledging a request quickly, you do need to actually get the data to the processor too
![MY CRAZY Editing NAS Upgrade... feat. Asustor Lockerstor 6 Gen2 [as6706t]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/6AbaoX4W-wg/mqdefault.jpg)
0:21 Hi there! The Lockerstor is made by us, ASUSTOR. Not ASUSTeK. We are run as a separate company.
Thanks for pointing out my mistake. I'll write a note in the video description. BR
Is there a processor upgrade path using Asus motherboards?
For example, if the Docker workload grows (or is larger than expected).
@@jimcallahan448 From checking their website, it seems most of ASUS's desktop PC motherboards are upgradeable, but it appears their laptop boards are not upgradeable.
My Asustor Lockerstor 4 Gen2 - AS6704T
Kingston FURY Impact 16 (2x8GB) 3200MHz DDR4 CL20 RAM
Asustor AS-T10G3, 10GbE and 2x M.2 NVMe SSD Network Card
4x Saegate Ironwolf PRO 12TB SATA3 drives
2x Sansung Evo Plus 2TB M.2 drives
Of course I'll leave a like!
nice video thanks!
something i learned the hard way: Volume 1 (in your case the one made up from HDDs) is the one that actually has the operating system installed. This means the drives it is installed on will never shut down (if you have for example docker containers running)
This is why i would suggest you initialize (first setup) with only NVME drive in, so your system can be installed on faster, lower power consuming and much quieter drive
also be carefull with those nvme drives, they are only consumer level drives and if you move a lot of data, you can easily kill them very fast. For example the WD red nvme drives can read/write several times more data before they die than regular drives you put in.
thanks and good luck
Thank you for sharing your experience with us. Actually I have docker containers running. I know that the NVMEs have a limited write volume, but I don't think that much data goes through the cache. But I will keep an eye on the SMART values of the NVME SSDs and switch to Enterprise SSDs if necessary.
BR Esperto
Excellent videos with very clear explanation. One question please, Can we use SSD NVMe as a volume only or only SSD caching? I want to use NAS to backup 2TB data.
Thank you 😃
You can use SSD as normal volumes. I did that too. You don’t have to use the SSD as a cache. Another commenter also mentioned that, if you initialise the NAS with a SSD as Volume 1 then the HDDs “can hibernate” because the OS will be installed on the SSDs.
BR Esperto
Sure ,ssd as read write cache need 2 ssds , read cache only need 1. and you can create volume for data on ssd.
Excellent Video.! If I use only 2 14TB HDs, what Raid config would be best? Then, can I add a 3rd 14 TB HD in the future if needed? Thanks.
Thanks. With 2 driver I would say RAID 1 is a good start. You'll literally save your data twice and you'll have a total storage of 14 TB. Later with a third drive you could switch to RAID 5. Then you'll have 28TB storage and the third drive is the parity drive. But maybe anybody here have also a different suggestion?
BR
@Esperto, Nice detailed video, Thanks! 😄
I have a question for you, if you can't answer because you didn't test it, that is fine:
Can AS6704T with Plex encode at least 2x 1080P high bitrate files and subtitles simultaneously to 720p, or does the CPU throttle?
Thank you. I didn't test your scenario exactly, but I've open 2 1080p movies and activate the subtitle. I did it with JellyFin in two separate browser windows. The CPU usage was about 5 to 8% per video. I didn't see anything strange. Also downsampling to 720p seems to be no problem. The CPU usage doesn't change that much, maybe by 2 or 3%. I hope this helps a little bit 😊
@@Esperto84 Thank you for your fast response! Your answer helps, for sure 🙂
Is the RAM you used on the compatibility list for that model? I want to upgrade the RAM on my Lockerstor 6 Gen2 but the list is... small lol
Hi, no my RAM is not on the list and yes. the list ist very small. But so far it works fine. BR
@@Esperto84 Thanks for your reply. I'm just wondering if it's running at the speed advertised or if it gets capped out. I know it's unbuffered ECC SODIMM RAm, but is there a way to check? I already ordered TEAMGROUP 16GB 3200 CL32 RAM, but if I can get away with returning it for someting faster that will actually run at the listed speed, then I will. (I have the Lockerstor 6 Gen2, just out of the box, haven't booted it up yet)
@MRG1BZ I’m not sure if there is another way to check the RAM speed, but I checked it in the BIOS and it shows the correct speed.
@@Esperto84 amazing! Thanks!
Liked the video. Thanks for posting.
When you installed the 64GB of Ram, that was 32 after just removing the cover. The second 32 you had to dissemble to get it replaced, correct?
what is the point of 64gig of ram, I thought the cpu in these could only address 16 gig. FWIW I put a 16 gig stick in mine so running 20 all together which works fine for me.
Hi, I've just installed 16GB of RAM. And yes the second RAM slot is "inside" the case so that you have to dissemble the NAS to get to the slot. BR
With that song and this voice, you should narrate some sleeping meditation scripts 😅
Well, you never know what your hidden strengths are unless someone tells you 😂
@@Esperto84 😂
@@Esperto84 new channel coming soon 😂
how's your RAID5 - BTRFS config going after 1 year?
Hi, no problems so far. I had one issue with a HDD and I had to exchange the HDD, but the rebuilding process of the RAID worked fine.
The website says 8 gb max supported. 16gb works?
Yes, and on their website is stated that 2x8GB is supported. (www.asustor.com/en-gb/product/spec?p_id=77=)
And I think, I'm not 100 percent sure anymore, but one person here in the comment said, that also 32 GB are working, but I didn't test this statement.
Hi wich screw drive did you used to open the nas? I have tried 5 different types of Philips screw dirves unfortunately no luck so far.
Hi, I've used a PH2 so a Philips Head size 2. Just pause the video at 01:06
I am having such a hard time removing the SATA board right now, I’ve taken out the screw but nothing, it won’t budge!
That sounds strange. Perhaps Asustor has released a new revision. Have you checked to see if there is another screw or even some other mechanism holding the SATA board in place? I hope Asustor haven't glued or even soldered the board in place, which is illogical as otherwise you can no longer access the other components.
5:50 If you want more speed you DO NOT do link aggregation. Instead you connect both net interfaces to switch and have smb multichannel working. Link aggregation and smb multichannel are mutually exclusive.
Hi, thanks for this tip. Indeed I have this option enabled in the ADM SMB settings.
I am waiting for gen3.
btrfs and raid 5. Are you really sure about what you are doing?
What are you getting at? The possibility of parity calculation errors with this combination?
Does it allow you to install unRAID or any other OS?
Hi, yes indeed, there is a video from Asustor itself. Watch: ruclips.net/video/Pn63oLArpnE/видео.html
BR Esperto 😎
Sistema de instalación raid1 de producción 1+2 en estado sólido. 3+4 se utiliza para la aceleración.
4 discos duros mecánicos utilizan raid 5. Es más rápido y seguro.
nice
Can Ram be ecc?
There is nothing in the manual that says you can use ECC RAM and according to my internet research it is probably not possible to use ECC RAM.
Not a fan of the crucial P3 drives there TBW is pretty aweful. For example the 2TB drive has a TBW of 440 TBW which frankly sucks, when compare to other drive of similar prices from brand named companies have 1200tb.
Hey, at the time of filming SSD price were pretty high. The intention was that as read and write cache it wouldn't be that bad if a SSD failed because I doesn't store any important data on them.
unoffcially it supports 32gb ram.
Saw a comment from a user on RaidOwl's youtube channel ( ruclips.net/video/MdcRPTmf_3M/видео.html ) that he had upgraded for virtualization to 32Gb. While officially Intel doesn't support this, apparently it is possible, and I note that TerraMaster on the same chip says it is possible. :)
Wow, what a surprise. Thanks for letting us know. So I there is still room fur upgrades, nice 😉
@@Esperto84 Yes apparently - want to test it out for us?! ;)
Of course, if my 16GB isn't enough anymore 😄
Yeah, looking closer at the Intel spec sheet it is 16Gb max "per channel" (if you read the little "?" explanations. So 32Gb :) @@Esperto84
Yeah, and also the max memory speed is 2933 MT/s but a 3200 MT/s module was pre-installed 😆
You put slower RAM in it than it calls for. The site states 2933. Probably wont notice it for the most part, but it could slow you a bit at times.
Yeah, based on their website I thought a 300 MT/s different won't be noticeable that much. But instead a faster RAM was installed. But I'm good with that and I could upgrade it anytime anyway. 😀
@@Esperto84size is much more important than speed while talk about RAM
I think it relates also to the purpose. If I want a system which has to be responsive in the fastest way I would try to use the fastest components I get. And it also a question of your budget and needs.
Uhhh ohhh.. somebody doesn't understand that higher frequency means higher latency which basically cancels out the higher frequency...
@@tim3172this has been scientifically disproven multiple times by multiple different sources, via math as well as testing.
The higher frequencies can and do make up for the latency increase in almost all cases
There are very few use cases where the requirement for small latency is so great that the actual speed doesn't matter, but in almost every other case the overall performance of the system is far more important than just acknowledging a request quickly, you do need to actually get the data to the processor too