Goodbye Pakenham Line
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In this video, we farewell the Pakenham Line as very shortly the new East Pakenham Station will open. Hope you enjoy the video!
The naming won't change. We still say the Ballarat and Geelong lines, but both terminate further than Ballarat and Geelong
They have usually changed on the Metro Network though. Epping became South Morang and later Mernda, St Albans became Sydenham and later Sunbury etc.
Though I do agree it should retain the name.
@aidanthomas2510 itd be redundant as considering its just adding east, would be surprised if they did
V/Line is different
@@StrayaTrains Pakenham East railway station will become the new terminus.
Most passengers board and leave the trains at Bendigo, Ballarat or Geelong. So that's why they're named as such would be my guess, at least with Bendigo because it's actually the Deniliquin line.
Electrification went beyond Warragul to Traralgon. Suburban trains only ran as far as Warragul though.
seen hitachi trains at warragul !!
Yes
Electrified to Moe station (still on the Gippsland line) and then branched to Yallourn for coal brick freight traffic.
East Pakenham is going to be a lonely terminus. For now the residential catchment is pretty sparse. Almost all of the nearest homes are on acreages and there's still a lot of vacant land nearby. The acreages could be subdivided but the locals might not be keen on that.
On the south side is a small industrial estate, the freeway, then farmland.
Most terminus stations have at least a few shops nearby (with the exception of Alamein and arguably Cranbourne), but not East Pakenham.
In retrospect I'm surprised they didn't electrify to Nar Nar Goon and terminate trains there.
Is the new depot closer to EP than NNG?
@@ianmontgomery7534 Halfway between.
@@zoomosisthanks
once travelled to Traralgon in a Tait. The amazing one for me was around 1968 or so a Harris train went to Morwell and was towed to Mirboo North.
For naming the Joondalup line in perth was extended twice and still kept its name even though its not the terminus station.
It was extended 3 times and kept the Joondalup line name to Currambine in 1994, Clarkson in 2004 and Butler in 2014
my only knowledge of the Joondalup line is that there's someone who hates it
Very informative. I was wondering just the other day if the line would be renamed with the opening of East Pakenham Station. Seems like a fair bit of work for a very small change. They should just continue to call it the Pakenham line (Im sure many people still will anyway)
Thankyou!
Good vid
1:37 - There were two separate occasions in the late 1970s and 1980s where both a Comeng and Hitachi went to the end of electrification in Traralgon.
A Harris train, however, went beyond there to Sale and via the Maffra Line in 1970 behind a B Class loco.
Interesting. So used to everything between Bondi, Lithgow, Kiama and Newcastle having 1500v DC overhead here in NSW. Didn't realize electrification was that limited in VIC.
The line to Traralgon was electrified originally only for locos hauling coal briquette traffic through the hills of East Gippsland. Passenger trains at the time then shared the same locos. Ultimately the briquette traffic tailed off and it became uneconomic to keep the overhead maintained just for passenger trains.
There are probably a few factors at play in Sydney. The lines to Lithgow, Newcastle and Wollongong all have some decent hills. Compared to Southern Cross to Geelong which is basically flat. Also Wollongong/Central Coast/Newcastle all have higher populations than Geelong.
The line to Geelong should probably be electrified, though Melbourne's suburban trains are less comfortable than V/Line's VLocity carriages (and arguably even the Sprinters), so passengers might consider it a downgrade.
The only other large regional towns near Melbourne are Ballarat and Bendigo but these are too far away to justify rail electrification for now.
There was talk over the years of electrifying to the outer suburb of Melton (on the way to Ballarat) but nothing has come of it.
The Regional Rail Link (RRL) completed in 2015 wasn't electrified so there are still diesel-only stations at the start of the RRL line at Deer Park, only 18 km from (diesel-fume-filled) Southern Cross station.
@@zoomosis Thanks for that.
Wollongong was a major steel & coal city so before modern diesel electric locos existed, electrification would have made sense for heavy haulage, electric intercity trains being a bonus.
Re the comfort of trains to Geelong, you'd need a comfortable specialist EMUs for that. Sydney has a fleet of entirely suitable V Sets about to become redundant! Of course they are about 50 years old and there's a slight track gauge issue😂
No electrification to Melton😲That's a suburb of Melbourne! Like not having electric trains to Mt Druitt here.
@@peterelverythe rail to Geelong already has a Standard gauge track.
@@ianmontgomery7534So my idea is less far-fetched than I thought!
Final regular electric services between Pakenham and Warragul were on 5.12.1999. Elecrail also ran two specials on that day which were the Tait set and L 1162 on a short train.
I think the only electric trains beyond Pakenham after that were new EMU sets being tested.
The line was electrified to Traralgon. Electric locos hauled passenger cars and some freight trains. I vaguely remember very long trains with briquettes being hauled by 2 or 3 electric locos before natural gas was fully available in Melbourne.
There was a service with Comeng trains to Warrigal for a while.
East Pakenham station is part of the suburb of Pakenham.
On Monday 3rd of June me and 2 friends will be filming the first service 4:05am from East Pakenham
"Sydenham train, stopping all stations to Watergardens except South Kensington.
"Packenham train, stopping all stations to Pakenham East"
It was like that for a little while until they changed it to reflect the change of the station name.
@@bradfooks4485 'a little while' the entire 15 years from when Waterdardens opened until it became the Sunbury line
I still get a chuckle when they have to terminate trains at Dandenong and you get an announcement at Yarraman that the train will stop all stations to Dandenong - good luck finding one to stop at!
Most people will probably still call it the Pakenham line for short.
now arrving at Straya Trains lol hahha great video keep up the great work
Politicians always lack foresight on planning for future population growth / urban sprawl.
So many old lines dug up in past for instance ones that ran to south Gippsland, Mornington and others I'm sure.
1:36 L class electric locomotives also used to run up to traralgon
The 4D never went on any line outside of the Burnley Group, as works had to be carried out to allow it to run and it was only ever done on the Belgrave and Lilydale lines.
It went out to there for some reason it was either for testing or an event I don’t recall it was before my lifetime 😅
It went there as a special run
It was tested extensively between Pakenham and Bunyip.
The 4D did testing before entering service between Pakenham and Bunyip. It was stabled between tests overnight at Nar Nar Goon with a security guard either side (I took photos of it there). It may have run to Longwarry, although I'm not aware of it having done so. But beyond the station at Longwarry was a low footbridge that it may or may not have been able to fit under. But I seem to recall that the curved platform at Drouin was the reason it did not run to Warragul.
they got it up quickly.
Very interesting. I might have to alter the plans for my upcoming Melbourne trip in order to visit East Pakenham. Either that, or I'll just get footage of the HCMTs somewhere between South Yarra and Caulfield.
Cheers
I travel on the Pakenham/Cranbourne lines, Yarraman station. I have heard the lines that run through Dandenong towards the city will be diverted via the new metro tunnel and will not go via South Yarra and Richmond in 2025, is this correct for both lines?
That is correct! Will have to change at either Malvern of Cauflield for a Frankston Line train to S Yarra
It’s already been mentioned but my understanding is the line name isn’t changing. I suspect for a few reasons, mainly it’s only an East on the end and I wouldn’t be surprised if the whole line is renamed when through running with Sunbury starts.
there is also a plan to extend the sunbury line to clarkfield (there are no new stations) or mabye
East Pakenham is going to be the new least used station - not a lot around there
Awesome video. It will always be the Pakenham line to me!
Thanks
Some time ago, maybe a year or so, I was on a Pakenham-bound HCMT but its external and internal PIDs showed it going to East Pakenham and on the line display inside, Pakenham wasn't shown. Unfortunately, I didn't have a camera with me to document this.
Wow. That's cool. Ahead of its time
Pakenham is like the city now when I lived there as a kid for 3 years it was all cow paddocks when I was moving they had only just opened a safeway a year before, before that they had like a general store lol they didn't even have a maccas used to be a great trip to dandy to get maccas.
Interesting video, I hope you don't mind me correcting you, but the railway line was electrified to Traralgon.
Thanks
1:39 omg thats me in the carriage
Lol
Time to do away with the current naming convention IMO. If we used non-geographical names, like London does, or letters, like New York does, they wouldn't need to keep changing the names every few years. It would also solve the confusion of short services being named differently, eg if you want to get to Footscray you might be expecting a catch a Sunbury train, and so would assume that a Watergardens train was no use to you, if you weren't familiar with the line.
Very interesting idea!
will anything other than HCMT run to the new station? which was the faulty door, they all looked fine to me
Under normal circumstances, no. Only HCMTs as next year the line is part of the metro tunnel which is only fitted to handle HCMTs
I'd expect it will be known as the Pakenham line for a long time to come. My parents still call the Mernda line the "south morang line", and I still hear people referring to Southern Cross as Spencer Street. Combined with the fact that Pakenham is still in the name, I'm guessing people will shorten "east pakenham line" to "pakenham line"
south morang/mernda line is still the epping line for me :)
I wonder if V/Line trains will stop at East Pakenham. As the metro terminus it would make sense, but maybe not so much if they're also going to stop at Pakenham.
They won't. They bypass east Pakenham. This is the reason the station exists, so Vlines don't get stick behind terminating metro trains
@@dylanshadowstar9779 Ah, thanks.
My local line, memories
so if i need to go to Pakenham i cant? like the station wont be there any more? if its not there some vline trains go there right for a pickup and drop off? i have to go to Pakenham East?
Pakenham station is being demolished but the new Skyrail station opens June 3. It will still be a connection for vline trains, and vlines will bypass Pakenham east
also why doesnt the cranbourne line go to clyde? the tracks still there
Used to but has been disused for a bit now
Nice video!😄
Traralgon saw Tait, Harris, Hitachi and Comeng trains on charter under their own power. Doggies made it as far as Warragul under their own power before they were withdrawn.
I actually caught that train with the faulty door
:(
looks like trains will go to cranbourne instead until pakenham east opens
Correct I think we have about two weeks of no Pakenham trains. And a few more weeks of no tralagon services
They could also further boost capacity if only half of the trains went to East Pakanam while the other half continued to terminate at Pakanam! That would mainly make sense for if East Pakanam station is not too busy at first but will most likely become progressively busier over time! :)
I don't think trains will ever terminate at Pakenham once the new skyrail station opens. There are only two lines/platforms so a terminating train will block V/Line and freight traffic.
The lines on the Skyrail do not allow such a move.
Warragul is my home station currently and I commute it on it daily to go to/from work, and it’s obvious that it used to be a terminus since it has remnants of a yard and the large station building which used to have a refreshment room, through now that’s a Cafe that’s only open during the morning peak. There’s still a few sidings but there used to be more, they don’t get used much though, mostly for Evie stabling during works as well as some Vlocity sets if they can’t go to Traralgon for whatever reason. You can also still see remnants of the old overhead between Warragul and Pakenham East.
You can still see the concrete foundations for the poles for the overhead wires next to the line all the way to Traralgon.
Will still be called Pakenham line.
I will still call it Pakenham.
Edit: I think it should stay as the same name
Only time will tell
yup
will be called Pakenham East Line but when the Metro Tunnel opens it will be called Sunshine-Dandenong Line
East pako sounds way weirder then pako
Thankfully no train line to Pakenham Upper 😁
Mate you scared me I thought you meant they were taking it away? I use that train to get from dandy to noble park 😂
Lol
it's been confirmed in a tweet that it will stay as the pakenham line
Interesting. Where is the tweet?
@StrayaTrains My comments arent appearing for some reason, check your like spam comments thing i think it came up as that
Rename East Pakenham to Pakenham, and Pakenham to Pakenham Central. No one will get confused.
Have you been on the 4D double decker prototype train before
No
@@StrayaTrains oh btw congrats for 3k subs
oh hey theres a recording of 594m and ive been on that before
😢
were is the faulty door on the HCMT
The one with the yellow sticker on the door window
Have it go to NAR NAR GOON , imagine a metro line called Nar Nar Goon that would be hilarious
Don't forget Koo Wee Rup.
Haha yes. Very cool name
The "Bunyip Line" would also be really good, although I agree that the "Nar Nar Goon Line" would be best. 🙂
3:25 reminds me of Sydney
Bye Bye Pakenham!
Different topic do you plan on doing a face reveal
No
Ok
Honestly I would of liked the extension to Clyde
Did they open East pakenham?
Won't be open until the 3rd of June. Timetables for it were just released today.
@@danielmolino661 yeah, but still, let's go
1:05 🫡 400M
In my opinion they should make pakenham east station just pakenham and the original pakenham station as west pakenham. But other than that I’m not that well at naming things but yeah.
That would be misleading though? Pakenham station isn't in West Pakenham (nor is there any such thing as that) and Pakenham East is in East Pakenham. We don't want another Toorak naming situation
Probably would make more sense to call it Middle Pakenham rather then West Pakenham
@@reubenab6005 It will confuse people, maybe mistaking getting off at the wrong stop
@@eetswaadlay2288seems similar to the mernda line where the Middle Gorge station is named after a place not even close to it at all
The funny thing is that Cardinia Council is actually trying to rename the suburb that will come out of the Pakenham East development. Hence, there will most likely be the station named East Pakenham whist the new suburb will have a different name altogether.
I’m still here
Not for much longer!
lol
@@StrayaTrains wdym Pakenham will just be a sky rail station so obviously I would be here
90% of this video is either old footage or wrong footage of the older trains that have not ran on Pakenham line for several years. Time to update Ur stock footage... Accuracy makes for better video
Thanks for your feedback. The purpose of older footage is to make it a bit more interesting as opposed to the new and boring HCMTs only
East Pakenham station is part of the suburb of Pakenham.
On Monday 3rd of June me and 2 friends will be filming the first service 4:05am from East Pakenham