If you make an equilateral triangle or square and then rotate it, something amazing happens. You discover that there are only four unique augmented chords and three unique diminished 7 chords because their intervals are equally spaced.
Yes, they are just inversions of each other. And lots of complex chords can be viewed and created as stacks of types of trị chords on top of bass notes or even other note combinations, I.E. a Cmaj7aug5th is basically a E major chord over a C bass note C E G# B. These views of complex chords and scales has helped me to grasp complex harmony over the years
This just changed my life. I'm an ADHD-based musician, who struggles with connecting music theory into my way of understanding. Perfect explanation of perspective and connecting math to creative work.
every thing ,shape ,size , solid ,liquid pattern ,gaseous patterns , blackhole and rest that we don't know yet ,all can be explained or simply show with an math equation
A good ear can replace theory anyday. Once tuned the notes on ur instrament are stationairy and tangeble. Theyre at ur disposal. Rhythm and structure are the intangibles. I too am a musician of 25+ years multiple instraments and adhd. Theory doesnt work for me. And prob wont for you. Much better to focus on the intangibles and trust your ears. All scales are groups of notes that are most consinet decreasing or increasing. But without dissonance its hard to convey alot of emotion or feeling. Trust your ear Brother
I agree, I had the concentration of a gnat in class. Getting a grasp of the circle of fifths then applying it to an instrument or writing is 1 of the most fundamental yet giant steps any musician of any genre can take
LOVE your site. I'm just learning to play a keyboard (repertoire limited to Freres Jacques, Mussels, and Cockles, etc..) I find it so fascinating that music has so many mathematical, almost mystical components.
THIS! I've been waiting for a good sound mathematical video about music. As far as I'm concerned word like 'major', 'minor', 'sharp', 'flat' only confuse the issue. To me, there are only steps and patterns around the wheel. This video does an excellent job of showing how frequencies are related to make pleasing structures. I might suggest showing how the 0-4-7 combination (major) and the 0-5-8 combo(minor) are really just mirrors about the vertical axis. Also, maybe show how the 'church' scales are related by simply rotating the major wheel.
@@galvaden 0-5-8 is also a minor since it effectively also a 5-8-12, which when down shifted is a 0-3-7. it just has a different name (I forget which), which is one of my points of confusion. There are 3 variations of a minor scale that are within a single octave range.... 0-3-7, 0-5-8 and 0-4-9
@@glenneric1 You're right that 0-5-8 makes a minor chord, namely an F minor chord (if 0 = C). It would be a 2nd inversion minor chord because its 5th (C) is on the bottom, so it's spelled C(0) - F(5) - Ab(8). 1st inversion is when its 3rd (Ab) is on bottom.
Thanks a lot for saving my life, i was getting tagged as insane by my musician friends saying that I am thinking absurd, i wish to collaborate with you guys, i am looking forward to develop a unique data structure that can develop into a machine learning model and analyse a given piece of music into a mathematical expression, which can be further analysed with the human cognition system and deduce the impact of the music on the brain and it's cognitive reactions. Great research by you guys. Thanks 🙏
@@Hblahblahblahykwii Keep up the good work and keep improving your mental and physical abilities so you can be your best self. Your dream can systematically come true as you step toward it. :)
Holy COW. About 3 years ago, I had a waking vision of Pythagoras pointing out this exact concept, with the addition of musical frequencies aligning with the 7 colors of ROYGBIV. Furthermore, the shapes illustrated in your video align perfectly with what are called "Grand Aspects" in astrology. Needless to say, all of this stuff is related, and it blew my mind when I had that revelation. Awesome video!
This visual system makes a lot more sense than our current method of notating chords. It should become a standard chord notation method. Recognize the shape, recognize the kind of chord to play. Observe its angle in the wheel, know what key it is. Easy. This is the method I would choose to teach our 12 tone musical system to an alien race. It's very logical and representational.
I was studying Ptolemy in college (great books program) and I remember our professor showing us how musical intervals somehow match up with the planets and their orbits as well. If someone knows what I am talking about I would love to know where I can read and learn more about that.
I've been playing guitar for a long time, 22 years, and I feel stuck in the room, musically speaking. Using keyboards to record music has been helping me but I get so caught up in learning those programs I forget to study what the hell I actually just recorded. I'm left handed, but I play right handed thank God, but my brain does not understand like other's do. I'm gonna need to watch this video over and over. I know where most the notes are but I am far from understanding the Liles of triads And what makes a chord beyond just full blown bar chords. Learning to play these, I get bored easily and go back to my knuckle dragging style of play. A mix between dirty Slur atmospheric blues and heavy metal, with side quests into other genres to shake the tree a little bit. (Just finished a Latin trap song) , which uses sounds notes and progressions I'm unfamiliar with I have all these new sound packs and there is Arabic trap music, Punjab (india) those cultures use obviously different scales than a typical good Ole murican guitarist like myself. And I'm very disappointed in my lack of knowledge on music in a global and historical scale. I just seen a video about the hurrian hymn number 6 (the oldest sing ever written that could be still transcribed. Like 3400 years old from the an area in (todays) Syria. But the translation is muddle a bit, I think it's a minor scale But it was meant for a lyre instrument with out instruction on tuning But i digress thank you for this video.
Since you don't want to know what a pentatonic scale is, I'll tell you. Take a tube and blow over the top of it, like blowing over a bottle. You'll get a note dependent on the length of that tube. ~ Its fundamental frequency. By blowing harder and harder, you can get other notes, 4 distinct different notes before eventually getting one that's twice the fundamental frequency. One octave up. The fundamental and those 4 other distinct notes, are the pentatonic major scale. So 5 of the 12 notes in a Western chromatic octave scale can be achieved with a fixed-length tube and physics. (There was a 'toy' in the 70's that was a flexible corrugated tube about 1m / 1yd long, and by twirling it around at different speeds you could get those 5 notes, and smack anyone within range.)
Hou can a circle "represent" a perfect octave? When you only used 12 points on it? I mean in that scene everything can be represented perfectly by a circle
is there a website where you can select the decogram and hear sound. i want to try something with it. but unsure if one exists. searching for one i'm not having much luck. any help thanks🤞
Do you have an app for messing about in this duodecagon? I use this concept already but i draw it and that takes time. Also id like to change the colors. The lack of magenta bothers me (learn to CMYK plz) and i color code the notes differently
This is not the true geometry of music. The notes of the chromatic scale are at the vertices of specific polygons. Those polygons are the triangle, square, pentagon, octagon, and the pentadecagon.
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If you make an equilateral triangle or square and then rotate it, something amazing happens. You discover that there are only four unique augmented chords and three unique diminished 7 chords because their intervals are equally spaced.
Yes, they are just inversions of each other. And lots of complex chords can be viewed and created as stacks of types of trị chords on top of bass notes or even other note combinations,
I.E. a Cmaj7aug5th is basically a E major chord over a C bass note
C E G# B.
These views of complex chords and scales has helped me to grasp complex harmony over the years
This is the BEST visual representation of this I've ever seen, mind blown
This just changed my life. I'm an ADHD-based musician, who struggles with connecting music theory into my way of understanding. Perfect explanation of perspective and connecting math to creative work.
every thing ,shape ,size , solid ,liquid pattern ,gaseous patterns , blackhole and rest that we don't know yet ,all can be explained or simply show with an math equation
same fella
Exactly. I can think of the times I've thrown "music theory for dummies" after getting a headache. This explained so much in a few minutes. Wow.
A good ear can replace theory anyday. Once tuned the notes on ur instrament are stationairy and tangeble.
Theyre at ur disposal. Rhythm and structure are the intangibles. I too am a musician of 25+ years multiple instraments and adhd. Theory doesnt work for me. And prob wont for you. Much better to focus on the intangibles and trust your ears. All scales are groups of notes that are most consinet decreasing or increasing. But without dissonance its hard to convey alot of emotion or feeling. Trust your ear Brother
I agree, I had the concentration of a gnat in class. Getting a grasp of the circle of fifths then applying it to an instrument or writing is 1 of the most fundamental yet giant steps any musician of any genre can take
LOVE your site. I'm just learning to play a keyboard (repertoire limited to Freres Jacques, Mussels, and Cockles, etc..) I find it so fascinating that music has so many mathematical, almost mystical components.
This makes a lot of sense, thank you for articulating and depicting their relationship in such a concise manner
Absolutely Amazing. Please Keep Doing These Great Videos Thank You
I was searching mathematical music theory out of curiosity and this is the basic yet the best explanation so far
THIS! I've been waiting for a good sound mathematical video about music. As far as I'm concerned word like 'major', 'minor', 'sharp', 'flat' only confuse the issue. To me, there are only steps and patterns around the wheel. This video does an excellent job of showing how frequencies are related to make pleasing structures. I might suggest showing how the 0-4-7 combination (major) and the 0-5-8 combo(minor) are really just mirrors about the vertical axis. Also, maybe show how the 'church' scales are related by simply rotating the major wheel.
Actually, a major triad is 0-4-7 and minor is 0-3-7. Only one note changes.
You'd probably love Pitch Class Set Theory, then. The whole idea behind that is to organize musical ideas numerically, based on this Dodecagon graph.
@@galvaden 0-5-8 is also a minor since it effectively also a 5-8-12, which when down shifted is a 0-3-7. it just has a different name (I forget which), which is one of my points of confusion. There are 3 variations of a minor scale that are within a single octave range.... 0-3-7, 0-5-8 and 0-4-9
@@glenneric1 You're right that 0-5-8 makes a minor chord, namely an F minor chord (if 0 = C). It would be a 2nd inversion minor chord because its 5th (C) is on the bottom, so it's spelled C(0) - F(5) - Ab(8). 1st inversion is when its 3rd (Ab) is on bottom.
Great one! Didn’t think of the tones on a wheel with geometric shapes - makes better sense than my piano training (memory practice) Thanks :)
You know your favourite artist is good when they bring you here.
Enjoy
Who is that?
@@pitbikecrazy some singer/experimentalist. Nothing interesting
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Fantastic information!!! 🎼
Wow, such a beautiful way to represent music
beautiful visualization
I've only just come across this introductory video.... subscribed and will begin following this channel. Looking forward...🙏
Thanks a lot for saving my life, i was getting tagged as insane by my musician friends saying that I am thinking absurd, i wish to collaborate with you guys, i am looking forward to develop a unique data structure that can develop into a machine learning model and analyse a given piece of music into a mathematical expression, which can be further analysed with the human cognition system and deduce the impact of the music on the brain and it's cognitive reactions. Great research by you guys. Thanks 🙏
The sounds like something similar to what I want to become a reality, Let me know if it happens!
@@energy_waves same here
@@Hblahblahblahykwii Keep up the good work and keep improving your mental and physical abilities so you can be your best self. Your dream can systematically come true as you step toward it. :)
@@energy_waves thank you so much 💙
@Patrik Kondor will you be sharing / documenting your research anywhere? This is really interesting!
Wow that was incredibly and beauitfully made!! I was moved, Thank You so much.
Fascinating!
I love this so much!!
Stupendous!
A very nice, elegant video. Music is number made audible.
Great video. Well done!
1:54 This dramatic chord took me by surprise !
Holy COW. About 3 years ago, I had a waking vision of Pythagoras pointing out this exact concept, with the addition of musical frequencies aligning with the 7 colors of ROYGBIV. Furthermore, the shapes illustrated in your video align perfectly with what are called "Grand Aspects" in astrology. Needless to say, all of this stuff is related, and it blew my mind when I had that revelation.
Awesome video!
wonderful! thank you
This visual system makes a lot more sense than our current method of notating chords. It should become a standard chord notation method. Recognize the shape, recognize the kind of chord to play. Observe its angle in the wheel, know what key it is. Easy. This is the method I would choose to teach our 12 tone musical system to an alien race. It's very logical and representational.
Good stuff
I've never visualized these shapes before with chords, seventh chords etc. Things will never be the same now
Wow that was an awesome video thank you so so much.
Thanks - this is very helpful
SIMPLY BRILLIANT !!!
Very interesting!
Awesome!!!!!!
The first couple shapes are easier to understand but as they go up i think its difficult
I love this
MInd blowing man!
I was studying Ptolemy in college (great books program) and I remember our professor showing us how musical intervals somehow match up with the planets and their orbits as well. If someone knows what I am talking about I would love to know where I can read and learn more about that.
This is sooooo cool 😎👌
Thank you
this doesn't really represent why the interference patterns work the way they do, though.
I align the dodecagon with the circle of fiths because F sounds like C and because of that it should be close to it.
Elearning told me to watch math and music, I clicked the shortest vid this vid
Thats the best what i have even seen before! Which software/ Program you use? I want to play with it too!
thank you
Damn this is geniuuuuussssss !
Super...
I've been playing guitar for a long time, 22 years, and I feel stuck in the room, musically speaking.
Using keyboards to record music has been helping me but I get so caught up in learning those programs I forget to study what the hell I actually just recorded.
I'm left handed, but I play right handed thank God, but my brain does not understand like other's do.
I'm gonna need to watch this video over and over.
I know where most the notes are but I am far from understanding the Liles of triads
And what makes a chord beyond just full blown bar chords.
Learning to play these, I get bored easily and go back to my knuckle dragging style of play.
A mix between dirty Slur atmospheric blues and heavy metal, with side quests into other genres to shake the tree a little bit. (Just finished a Latin trap song) , which uses sounds notes and progressions I'm unfamiliar with
I have all these new sound packs and there is Arabic trap music, Punjab (india) those cultures use obviously different scales than a typical good Ole murican guitarist like myself.
And I'm very disappointed in my lack of knowledge on music in a global and historical scale.
I just seen a video about the hurrian hymn number 6 (the oldest sing ever written that could be still transcribed.
Like 3400 years old from the an area in (todays) Syria.
But the translation is muddle a bit,
I think it's a minor scale
But it was meant for a lyre instrument with out instruction on tuning
But i digress
thank you for this video.
Incredibly helpful!
Please post the tabs for this?
😂
Digital billboard on repeat at train station.
Wonderful Video! well done
nice...could you do a video on music and the golden ratio??? Thanks
How did you create these visuals? Thanks for the video!
WHOA!
So vacation is almost over huh ....
really great video! is the illustration with the twelve notes somewhere on a website?
Instant subscription in less than two minutes. And I didn't even want to know what's a pentetonic
Since you don't want to know what a pentatonic scale is, I'll tell you.
Take a tube and blow over the top of it, like blowing over a bottle.
You'll get a note dependent on the length of that tube. ~ Its fundamental frequency.
By blowing harder and harder, you can get other notes, 4 distinct different notes before eventually getting one that's twice the fundamental frequency. One octave up.
The fundamental and those 4 other distinct notes, are the pentatonic major scale.
So 5 of the 12 notes in a Western chromatic octave scale can be achieved with a fixed-length tube and physics.
(There was a 'toy' in the 70's that was a flexible corrugated tube about 1m / 1yd long, and by twirling it around at different speeds you could get those 5 notes, and smack anyone within range.)
@@massimookissed1023 plot twist: didnt want cause knew it. But yours a good explanation
Another vid like this about this???
cool
the C should be red and chromatic from there- it would make more sense that way
HOLY molyyyyyyyyyyy thank youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu !
Hou can a circle "represent" a perfect octave? When you only used 12 points on it? I mean in that scene everything can be represented perfectly by a circle
Cool sounds how to implement Fourier analyais with the circle?
Does this study process or field has a proper formal name?
hi there : what´s the name of the app. you are using ? looks cool ,it will save a lot of time.tku
Augmented 7 amongst the most commonly used chords in music?! LOL great vid tho!
The commercial for this video had music with Kermit the frog singing, I was getting the urge to dance,
ayo whats the menu loop my friend really likes its but i dont know what it is
holy crap...so i was in another dimension..in that dream....that golden geometrical structure that gave off this wonderful music...it was real...(O.o)
dream or trip?
Omg you're so special
is there a website where you can select the decogram and hear sound. i want to try something with it. but unsure if one exists. searching for one i'm not having much luck. any help thanks🤞
Do you have an app for messing about in this duodecagon? I use this concept already but i draw it and that takes time. Also id like to change the colors. The lack of magenta bothers me (learn to CMYK plz) and i color code the notes differently
C #0080ff
Db #0000ff
D #8000ff
Eb #ff00ff
E #ff0080
F #ff0000
Etc. You figure out the rest.
I am beating my head against the wall
Our Own bois assemble
🙏💗
🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿
This is how Wagner wrote ride of the valkyries
So basically Harmonagon infinity opens the door?
*Takes a deep breath...
WHOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAA!?
Is there an app to compose music with this?
J Byrd exactly what I’m working on
@@spiritofsiriusszariosatis5768
Any chance of your work being finished in the not too distant future?
@@GlennMichaelThompson can i get the code source
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01:56
important points
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haha great , a bit too fast though . Very Interesting
Where you extract the colors of notes? Arbitrary?
Yes, the colours are entirely arbitrary.
This is not the true geometry of music. The notes of the chromatic scale are at the vertices of specific polygons. Those polygons are the triangle, square, pentagon, octagon, and the pentadecagon.
A lot of this reminds me of music from Zelda Ocarina of Time
sheesh
woooaaaaaa
Wait, aren’t there only six axes you could reflect on?
The are 6 axes from any point to its opposite point,
*PLUS* 6 more from any gap to its opposite gap.
You may find this interesting --John Sase ruclips.net/video/TC-Dwq-qr-Y/видео.html
a traducir de a poco !!!!
Still wait for that upcoming video on the symmetry in music
Sorry, we had to suspend this project a couple years ago.
@@theharmonagonproject8138 that's a shame I really like the concept
In what way is this visualization enlightening of music theory?
Psalms Songs Love you guys 🧐🤔😘 always 💙💜❤️
this be very real, people never try to understand pithagorics !!!
Yeah... you have a nice day, too. 🙄
Tune it to 421.6hz n see
God is a triangle
...
You better stop doing this. People might start making good music again.
lol. I was gonna make a joke about comparing a Bach piece with mumble rap. Then it occurred to me that you can't compare music with noise.
lol
@@kvnjng
And I laughed 🤣
I think theres incredible music being made today, its just not blasted everywhere like the pop crap.
no shit ! This is BRILLIANT :)
Maybe you shouldn't talk over the notes and chords you're explaining.
I don’t really get it
Go to Jain 108 Academy.
He's an enthusiast .
Sorry to criticize, but this is more like a forced relation in music.
intervals are not chords.
Intervals function the same as chords and are thus included. Also, in geometry, any two points on a circle form a 'chord.'
You're thinking of triads. Two or more notes together can be a chord.