Another odd thing is why would Queen Coral “train” Anemone? Anemone could just cast a spell when no one is looking and stop the war, just make everyone get along. But that might make the second arc a little unnecessary if that happened- still would have been good if Anemone had done that
Okay, I just remembered another one. So you know how in the beginning on the Lost Hair dragonets get almost spotted by a SkyWing patrol? WTF WAS IT DOING THERE?! We know that the dragonets left the Sky Kingdom in the end of the first book and didn’t plan to go back there. They were mowing East towards the “tail” and the Sea Kingdom. And considering how impatient Tsunami was I’d say they were pretty close to it. Which means there should be no SkyWings that far into the MudWing territory. From what we’ve seen different allies would get together only for attacks and occasional guest visits. No soldiers trade or anything. That means there should’ve been a MudWing patrol, not a SkyWing
@@useruser-gb3kh true but didn't Crocodile follow webs? I just assumed Crocodile told the skywings and I'm pretty sure the skywing weren't looking for the dragonets they were following Crocodile which was following Webs and I'm sorry if that explanation was confusing
I got one in book six moon rising, moon had a prophecy of what would happen if she stopped the awful prophecy and in that prophecy she saw a deep red ish brown dragonet ofc that’s perils and clays dragonet, and peril have to be the one laying the egg. HOW DID THE EGG DIDNT BURNT TO A CRISP also it says in escaping peril prologue that she burnt all the skywing eggs that’s fit for the prophecy SO HOW DID THE DRAGONET SURVIVE!!!
In the Darkstalker legends book it mentions that the pet scavengers in the school used an apple as a peace offering and it’s mentioned that dragons were eating apples. So dragons are eating something as small as a pea and that’s the size of there fruit apparently?
@@Energy_Department yep, it's like when dinosaurs were around. Everything was way larger than it is now. Because dragons are the dominant species, we'll, the food probably was modified to the size the dragons wanted it to be.
I suppose there *could* be an argument that dragons and/or humans could have cultivated some foods over time to be larger/smaller respectively. After all, we see that in our own, real-world agriculture. Like with corn, for example. It started out with the edible part being really tiny, and now it can be the length of a person's forearm. Or perhaps fruits have evolved/mutated to be larger or smaller based on what species is nearby. Course, neither of the options are really hinted at in the books, are they? But it's something to consider.
This makes sense but the reason that fruit and vegetables got bigger was because people would take the seeds from the abnormally large fruit/vegtables and would plant them and kept doing that until they were artificially evolved into more edible fruit and vegetables and you are partly right about the fact that they could be mutated
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I just reread this, earlier she put her tail in a pond and all the fish inside boiled and died. This book series is not very consistent with it’s logic-
@@fabledpigeon Because most of her body was out of water, allowing heat to transverse through her body, allowing the tail to keep average temperature, unlike when almost her whole body was underwater. Way less air, think about it more.
For Onyx, I'd say, at least we were given SOME sort of excuse as to how and why Onyx was with the younger dragonets. (She snuck in as part of the plan to learn more about Sunny and possibly take her out, and everyone forgot she was 19, meaning she at least looks young enough to be in the place. ) The third one with Sky being invulnerable to Peril's scales makes sense, and I headcanon it. My explanation for it was since it's also HIS fire, he's sort of immune to it. Along with that, as you pointed out, Sky should've burned in the egg, like Scarlet said.
Some people say it would have made much more sense for her to be a teacher because she had the age and it would have given her more access to things and more of a chance to spy on the dragonets. But that’s the thing, would they let a random sandwing that just showed up that wanted a teaching position have it? Even if they did they wouldn’t do without some questioning right?
Finally, someone brought up the food sizing! It’s so inconsistent. At one point in Dragonslayer (and I think Moon Rising as well) it’s mentioned that a blueberry is the size of someone’s hand…which is HUGE. But at other times it just seems to be normal sized??? I’ve always been so confused about this. With Onyx I just assumed she looked much younger and smaller than she was, but now that I think about it it STILL doesn’t make much sense. I headcanon that either the sort of gooey egg-stuff would have kept Sky safe or Peril wouldn’t really burn until she hatched, although fire immunity is way cooler.
Sense there are more examples of Fruit being bigger than normal, I think it's more likely that Pyrrhiain Fruit is huge. Look at the sense in Darkness of Dragons when Darkstalker holds & PICKS THE LEAVES off a strawberry. None of the characters comment on how big the berry is, it must be a normal size for Pyrrhiain strawberries. But it can't be the size of a real strawberry, 'cause someone Darkstalkers' size holding somthing that small is like someone our size holding a Musterd seed
I've just begun reading into Wings of Fire, and aside from the triple moons of "The Land of the Lost", the sizing issues didn't escape My notice! But, in Land of the Lost, There are portrayals of supesized berries and veggies, as well as normal sized of the same. These were Explained in the failed remake of the 1990's as due to genetic engineering. There's also a mention by Wesley Eure's Character concerning "Why there's dinosaurs here in the first place". He suggested that "everything is from other worlds and times just evolved...". Tui doesn't say just how advanced Dragons and humans were before "The Scorching", but, I've come across Three fan stories suggesting that humans may have come from space as invaders! I've considered that Both humans and Dragons came from different planets and fought over this new world.... whatever, not much Makes any Scientific (or Magical) sense in the Wings of Fire World! Basically, WOF is Just "Game of Thrones", but, with Dragons in the human roles! 😻
@@ericvondell5157 Oh wow, that's a really cool theory! It definitely would explain a lot, like animus magic and an unusual amount of limbs in dragons, along with all the sizing stuff!
I think I remember a part in book 15 that said the fruit were a lot smaller than usual when grown on human farms. And there was a part in book 6 where Bandit eats a blueberry that fits into both his hands at once. I've got a feeling magic might have been involved, or cultivation.
I agree with ALL of these things! Especially the oversized/tiny food. Plus, I agree that Onyx should have been a teacher now that I look back on it. Thinking certain things through like that is very important when writing books. I’m not criticizing Tui I’m just saying. Yea *is* Sky immune to fire like Clay? Super weird that he didn’t die in their egg.
I had NO IDEA Onyx was so old hahahaha. That is really weird. As for the dragons' food intake: I think we can partly explain that with the fact that they're reptiles (at least, I think they are). Being cold blooded means they don't have to eat as much to replace the energy their body is using - a crocodile, for example, only needs to eat once a week or so to keep itself full and some have even been documented to go over an entire YEAR without eating anything. So, for Clay to be constantly hungry (even after eating an entire cow) is a bit wild. Still, a single kiwi probably wouldn't mean much to a dragon haha - it'd be like giving a person a single grape or something like that. Not exactly filling.
It was noted in one of the books (book four or five??) that a dragon can go a month without food before dying. Plus, a cold blooded creature couldn’t live that far north in the arctic, so ice wings HAVE to be warm blooded. Also, sand wings emit heat from their scales; and I don’t THINK (correct me if I’m wrong) reptiles can emit heat like that. If two dragon tribes are warm blooded; who says that the rest aren’t as well?
Maybe Jade Mountain is a school with an open policy for any age, it's never too late to learn. respect to the sizes that confuses me a lot, I always thought that humans were the size like in the image of Smolder and Rose or even bigger because they can carry a small dragonet, but the graphic levels draw them smaller I don't like that, I prefer them to be a little bigger, I think the indicated size would be up to the shoulder of a dragon. I think that Sky having the same scales as Peril, she can touch him without hurting him, I have the theory that touching Peril's fire scales could happen to Sky and vice versa, it's just a theory, an idea, I've been thinking about it a lot, but it would be great to see that they could share the scales of fire.
Even if any age can come, it's still a bit weird to place adults in classes with children. Maybe Onyx could have been a teacher or there could be all adult classes of some kind
and in book one when tsunami and clay escaped clay added " barely as high as his shoulder" and i dont know if this matches up but the sword was 4 times longer than a regular dragon claw. pg 89 and 90
With the first one, I always thought Jade Mountain Academy worked more as a college or school that dragons of all ages can attend. It could be a coincidence that Onyx is in a school full of dragons younger then her, or it could just be some kind of inconsistency, we know Tui has done that in the past with dragon ages. To add onto the sizing issue with humans and dragons, why in the world are dragonets so small? We see multiple times that baby dragons can sit on a humans shoulder and even be tossed around, as seen with baby Sky and Bumblebee. Humans shouldn't be able to support the weight of a dragonet, as they should realistically be the same size as a human. (unless baby dragonets are canonically the size of a pea to adult dragons). As for the animal and plant sizing compared to humans, the only logical explanation that I can come up with is that there is some kind of form of gigantism, like certain plants and animals have some sort of parasite or virus that makes them grow in size. Either that, or we're looking at completely different species of animals and plants that look like the normal ones, just bigger. As for Sky not being burned by Peril while in the egg? It's possible he's immune, but I still have no idea.
Yeah, i’d assume it was a natural instinct. I mean, when moon hatched she was also able to kind of speak (albeit very little), and sky probably wasn’t isolated from dragons his whole life, so he could learn from the speech around him.
Something that has always bugged me since the third arc is when Sundew used Bullet ants, and specifically called them Bullet ants. These ants are named so because their sting feels like being shot, but as far as I know, guns don’t exist in the world of Wings of Fire.
I noticed that too, so I just explained it away in one of my fanfics as the dragons having technology on par with Victorian Era England and just lost that in the scorching but the words still stuck around. Of course this was before we knew anything about The Scorching so I detailed it out myself.
When it comes to fruit and other plants with mixed up sizing, I think dragons usually would grow the fruit larger while a human would make it hand sized. Sky most likely has fire proof scales, because of Peril. Onyx or Flame being older than the teachers isn't that bad in my opinion. I think in a dragon society they don't care about age. Plus Onyx went most likely because after her mother's death she had to teach herself so she went to the academy to learn more. The Cow thing doesn't make that much sense but i guess the cows are taller than the humans, but still not as smart so humans could put them in a fenced area. Still the mixed up sizing is weird What I think doesn't make sense with mixed sizing is how the Dreamvisitor is so small on the cover of Dragon Slayer when it was about the size of a pocket knife in Darkstalker.
I have an explanation for the 2nd one: This is hard to explain but maybe fruit can be ripened at a very small size (which could satisfy a scavenger), and it could grow to a size to satisfy a dragon. And for meat, I think that there are varied species. Maybe scavengers could keep a species of cows small enough for them, and dragons could have bigger species of cows for them. This is highly unlikely, but thanks for looking over it.
I think that maybe normal cattle are about 6’8” tall, since a 6yr old dragon (according to WoF experimental wiki) is about 9’8” to 8’2” tall, so a cow that size should be enough to sciatic hunger, but people don’t even eat something about a third of their size, so they would probably be a bit larger than normal sized. And as for fruit my guess is that they have a size comparison as a normal fruit to a human, like a mango would be the same size or a bit larger than a dragon talon. But this isn’t even earth, so size rules won’t completely make sense. And my theory for firescales and ashscales (I think that’s what their called) is that ashscales are either invulnerable to all Fire, or maybe just firescales, or maybe even just to their twin counterparts.
well I have a theroy with the whole 'Sky would have died in the egg' thing, maybe, that only when peril was exposed to the oxygen in the air it triggered her scales to become so warm, because fire needs oxygen to burn. So the suppository only once Peril has been exposed to the oxygen in the air she began to heat up.
Isn't the food thing obvious? For the livestock, animals must have evolved to be bigger in order not to go extinct, but the livestock already had by humans must have STAYED THE SAME. In Darkstalker's book, THEY MUST HAVE CUT THE FRUIT INTO SMALLER PIECES FOR THE SCAVENGERS! In The Brightest Night, Smolder must have given Rose A BABY BANANA! YOU CAN SEE THEM IN STORES!
As for the size difference, I have a few theories that might work (some spoilers for Arc 2 ahead!) 1. The early size comparison shown 1:40 could be between a full-grown dragon and a human. It's possible that dragonets are just much smaller. We've known that Morrowseer is quite big compared to the original Dragonets, so there also might be some significant size difference among the dragons themselves. 2. Most dragons aren't really that big. It could be that the average size of dragons compared to humans is closer to something we would see in Dreamworks Dragons. The large dragons that are shown might happen to just be exceptions. 3. The plant life of Pyrrhia has split into two different types: human-sized and dragon-sized. In a scene from Moon Rising, Moonwatcher passes a blueberry to Bandit (Winter's pet human). This would not be possible if the blueberry was human-sized. Then in Winter Turning, Winter saw vegetable gardens growing in a fortified human town. Therefore, the plants must be human-sized, or else there would be carrot leaves the size of trees. It could be any one, or a combination of some of these theories. Hopefully the upcoming Wings of Fire Guidebook can help shed some light on this mystery
I think an explanation for Sky not dying in the egg would be that dragon eggs have a sort of goo inside them like chicken eggs, where the dragons eat it until they hatch, and since Peril can’t burn things in water, this likely would have stopped her from burning Sky as well.
I actually don’t see much problem with any of these 1. I didn’t read the second arc yet, but with Onyx I just got the same idea as we have in our world where older people can come to colleges and study with 18 years olds because they want to lear more 2. The animal sizing isn’t a problem at all actually. Looking at the chart of human/dragon difference, a normal sized cow is actually a good one-time meal for a dragon that size. It was mentioned that they do hunt smaller animals, but I guess they could be somewhat of a snack. When it comes to fruits, Tui actually said that they were dragon-sized. It doesn’t really explain how humans can eat them normally, but they could just cut it or there could be different sized fruits. I mean it’s a magical world 3. Here there could be a lot of different theories. I’d guess that the liquid in the egg keeps the dragonets completely safe till they are out. Basically I would say you can’t really tell it doesn’t make sense if there’s no clear rules about how this works
In Darkstalkers’ book, what *really* annoyed me was that fact that apparently his scroll was burned to absolute friggin ash and somehow Kinkajou could write on it?
One thing I noticed was that, in the book talking about Darkstalker, Fathom, and Clearsight, Darkstalker mentions that he placed an animus spell on a small bell that would ring and alert him whenever someone used his scroll to cast a spell. Spoilers: Why didn't he hear it ring when Kinkajou cast the spell on the strawberry?
I mean, it’s been 2000 years, what are the chances that bell still exists? Plus, did he ever enchant it to be immune to the ravages of time? Did he ever enchant it so he could hear it even when far outside the Night Kingdom?
SPOILERS and probably spelling errors One thing I didn't understand about sky is that when he was a dragonet wren found him and the traveled a bit until they came across a cave, but not just any cave but the dragonets cave. It shows them being about the same age as Sky, if not older. But Peril and Sky are twins, and Peril was born a year before them, mentioned in the first book. This makes Sky older then them and that means the dragonets would still be IN THERE EGGS. Just something to think about.
Would also like to mention that in the third series **Spoilers** a Scavenger plays with Bumbleebee and she actually holds with her. I know that dragonets are supposed to be small but not that small.
Another thing, when Wren finds sky it says he is small enough to curl around her shoulders (or something like that, I can’t be bothered to grab the book) which means a dragonet is about the size of and adult dragons talon or something, especially because Wren was only 7 at the time. Just another point to the messed up sizing-
Something that makes no sense to me is Peril burning out the venom in Clay's leg I'm glad she did it & i understand HOW she did it, but how did she learn how to do that? I don't think you'd get very much medical training if you'd lived the kind of life Peril did
I kind of figured it was less Peril having medical knowledge out of no where and more so a desperate attempt to save Clay by any means necessary the only way she knows how. By burning it
I think everyone is forgetting that this book series is for kids 8-12 years old while we the readers are teenagers to young adults. Of course there's going to be mistakes, it's a kids series.
To discuss Sky's fireproof scales- I think it is a genetic mutation due to the fact that peril isn't just immune to her own fire... She is immune to any fire as shown when in Moon Rising she literally walks thro the burning library with no effect. Meaning that this likely passed onto sky. Plus if peril was always on fire even in the egg Wth did peril not burn the egg itself and even as a dragonet peril is shown to be able to burn a embryo(Unhatched Dragonet) with no problem. + Peril didn't even fry herself. Which should have happened if she was burning in the egg because the inside of the egg(Yolk/White) would fry and create smoke. Causing both dragonets to choke to death.
I think the only logical conclusion with the food is to assume that human grown food and dragon grown food are two different sizes. You'd think dragons would breed bigger cows for themselves I guess?
I think that its because sky has the least fire of all the skywings they even refer to him as "The least skywingish skywing" so he can probably withstand more fire because of the fact that he has so little fire
Ok, another thing to add to the sizing! In Dragonslayer Wren is apparently able to hold baby Sky, and I think he even perches on her shoulders at one point (he might not have, I might be remembering that wrong). Wren is a human child. Human adults can be held in dragon claws. How small are almost newly hatched dragonets???? How is a human child able to just carry one around???? What?????
So I think that, for the different sized foods thing, there are essentially two types of every plant and animal. The ones that are human-sized, and the ones that are dragon-sized. This isn't easy to explain in the books, but I believe it's just a matter of evolution. We know that about 5000 years ago, humans ruled the world and there were very few dragons, seemingly anywhere. This means that during the time of The Scorching, the food would have all been human-sized. Dragons with leafspeak could have suggested to the plants to grow larger over time, and animals could have gotten larger based on diet and breeding. There are obviously a lot of holes in this theory, but we know that the dragons are fairly advanced, and have been for some time. Even in Darkstalker's time, there were vast libraries and gardens, so why couldn't there have been biology?
Also during the prologue of Escaping Peril, Ruby's brothers greet her as she enters the hall; however, they normally don't know who she is since previously, their only sister had been Tourmaline. So why did they not question her identity at any point in the prologue? They didn't even seem surprised to see her as if she was always part of their lives, which in reality she was not.
i have a small theory about peril- maybe she heated up more AFTER hatching but was only warm in the egg? since you probably know how when fire is exposed to oxygen it.. y’know, is able to burn, but inside an egg there probably isn’t any…? maybe that’s why?
Ok so I figured out the “how did sky survive in the egg” question. To put it simply, sky ISNT immune to fire but peril didn’t have all of it when she hatched. Ok so the biggest thing her is, if peril can burn OTHER dragonet eggs with a touch why didn’t she burn hers. Also when kestrel picked up peril to escape with her, HOW COULD SHE DO THAT WITHOUT BURNING UP? We know kestrel got in the air before she dropped peril, and only dropped her when she touched her face; usually the most sensitive part of the body Answer: peril didn’t have all that fire when she hatched! We see peril smoking in the graphic novel when she was born , so she had a little fire. But it’s safe to say when dragons hatch it takes a little bit for their fire organ or whatever to kick in. Meaning sky could of hatched safely and kestrel could have taken peril before her fire started to burn at full force. Also, when kestrel layed the egg the dragonets were not full developed. Fire most likely comes closer to birth. It’s a little weird how I explained it but does this make sense?
Also, adding on to the food problem, sandwings can survive a while on just a lizard or two. Unless there are abnormally large lizards in these books or they eat iguanas, a creature smaller than their toes fills them up
My headcannon for firescales/fireless dragonets is that the fireless dragonet can touch their firescales sibling at least for a little bit, absorbing their heat a bit. Which would explain why Sky didn't burn up in the egg.
I've always thought of dragons as the size of Clydesdales (a big breed of horse) compared to humans. Nothing too crazy, big enough for human to defend themselves but not pose a really threat to dragons, and the live stock would be slightly bigger than real life. About the fruit thing though, I had an idea that maybe the dragon poop is like extra fertilized? So areas with a lot of dragons have massive plants and bigger animals growing there.
I think alot of people forget that Sky isn't confirmed to be Perils sibling in the books. (maybe it was confirmed by Tui, I'm not sure) He may not even be related to her at all, but chances are he is, because the story's link up scarily well if not lmao. Anyways, I think the fact that the other sibling 'burns up in the egg' is kinda outdated, because Scarlet mentions that there hasn't been a firescales in years in the sky kingdom. Either that or I think Chameleon might have something to do with it lol.
I agree with all of these! This has been stuff bothering me for years!! Also, I'm puzzled as to how the Dragons/Scavengers breathe. As there has to be enough oxygen in the atmosphere to properly support an animal the size of a dragon. If its the amount of oxygen present on earth, then the Dragons probably wouldn't be able to get enough oxygen each breath. Also, if there was enough oxygen to support the Dragons, then wouldn't "regular" sized forms of life look different due to a different environment/oxygen levels? Also, how technology has not advanced between Darkstalker: Legends and current time in the books.
Maybe the Nightwings were the main innovators of Pyrrhia that all the other dragons relied on for newer technology, and them going into a 2k-year-long exile on the volcanic island all of a sudden left nobody to come up with new technology in that time? I mean, I’m pretty sure Pantala is only more advanced than Pyrrhia because Clearsight was there and readily accessible for things like figuring out new technologies
I was rlly confised in the books because when i read the 5th book theres a scene where sunny lets a female scavenger ride on her shoulder/ or back and a important thing to note is sunny is rlly small compared to other dragons, and even with that sunny looked huge! But in the same book when flower is sitting on sunnys shoulder,flower doesnt look that small compared to the previous scavenger i mentioned, and when sunny meets her father a fox apears to feed stone mover and get the fox is about the size if not slightly bigger than sunnys tail???
Dragons in Wings of Fire are much bigger than humans. So their food would have to be bigger to satisfy their stomach. It is also mentioned in *Moon Rising* that Kinkajou gives Bandit a blueberry that is the size of its head. So basically, The dragons that are so much bigger than humans have human-sized fruit to THEM. The humans have human-sized fruit to THEM. Both of those sizes exist.
Two things that don't make sense to me happen in book 14/15. First, I was under the impression that Sky would be weaker than the average dragon. Even if he's a skywing, I always had the impression that he would be too weak to be strong enough to fly all the way to the lost continent. Second was another size related things, in that apparently that baby dragonets are small enough to crawl on a scavenger's shoulders without them being super crushed by a literal dragon being on them.
With the sizing of fruit it could be they grow dragon-sized fruits and scavenger's grow human-sized fruits? Like different kinds of fertilizer? I'm not sure on the animals though. That is super confusing. As for Sky, I think that he may be fire proof since he shared an egg with Peril. Even though she absorbed all his fire. Honestly, these are all great questions.
My food Theory is that all food and live stock comes in all different sizes like a banana can be a normal size for a human but another banana from a different tree could be dragon sized same with animals. And it can be any size in between human size and dragon size just depends on the soil or food given
For the egg thing, I could be wrong but the whole point of eggs is that they contain a kind of water/liquid like substance to keep the baby in place. With this wet substance when Peril and Sky were born they would come out wet. With this mabye it would take longer for Peril’s firescales to kick in, also fire requires at least 16 percent of oxygen content to burn so that could be why she didn’t burn him when they were hatching or in the egg together. 🤷♀️
For the sizing part, I think it was a mistake that Rose ate a small banana because another huge sized fruit or “dragon-sized” was during Moon Rising when there was a blueberry the size of a human hand.
A blueberry was handed to Winter's pet scavenger Bandit, and the scavenger had to hold the blueberry with "both paws". So the blueberry was like melon-sized to Bandit. AND *SPOILER FOR THE SECOND/THIRD ARCS* And in Snowfall's book, there were scavengers LIFTING UP AND THROWING baby dragonets. But these dragonets had been described to coil entirely around a grown dragon's neck??? And then there's also the massive issue with how the heck that scavenger killed Queen Oasis. It said "he lifted his sword and plunged it into her chest", not word-for-word, but HE WAS STANDING ON THE GROUND AND SHE WAS STANDING UP STRAIGHT? How LONG was that sword??? Plus, scavengers RIDE HORSES and CAMELS, but a camel or a horse is enough to feed multiple dragonets. Moon and Qibli shared a mountain goat and it was enough for them. So all I can think of that makes ANY sense, is that there are two kinds of everything. Human-sized things and dragon-sized things. Giant chickens and regular chickens. It still makes NO SENSE but it makes more sense than before. And the dragonet-tossing... I can't even. I just can't. It was really frustrating to read that part in the book. This is something an editor should have caught, or a beta-reader. Wings of Fire... I've been reading the books for a really long time, and I plan to keep on reading. But MAN some things just frustrate the snot outta me.
Actually, when we got to have the scavenger perspective on the night Oasis died, Oasis had fallen or her head was low to the ground attacking the other scavenger and he stuck it into her eye.
The food size issues can at least be partially explained by selective breeding; dragons and scavs would naturally prioritize different traits due to their differing lifestyles, nutritional demands, and sense of taste and smell. Bananas are actually a perfect example of Tui switching from dragon POV to scavenger POV and back again in the middle of a sentence without telling anyone, and thus creating the illusion of a size problem where none exists: * If you ask Smolder, a banana plant grows one banana at a time, and bananas are about as large as a scavenger. * If you ask Flower, a banana plant grows hundreds of bananas at a time, and each banana is about half the size of one of Smolder's claws. * They'd both be talking about the same plant and the same fruits; they'd just be disagreeing on what counts as "*one*" banana.
To answer: 1. The reason Onyx was at Jade Mountain was probably to be like a college student. Maybe she wanted education on something other than the war. 2. As we learn in The Poison Jungle, aka book 13, plants & animals can be different sizes. There are most likely different kind of animals & plants to accommodate for the humans & dragons. 3. I agree with StarSeeker The Sand-Rainwing. Fire needs air to keep burning, so Peril's fire scales probably took a second or ten to activate, giving Sky the chance to crawl away & not get burned. One thing I hope gets shown eventually is Peril & Sky discovering that they're siblings. I REALLY hope they show that:)
I think that the embryonic sac juice stuff in Peril and Sky's egg was enough of a buffer to just make a very toasty temperature in the egg, not burn him. And Sky wasn't burned when they hatched together, but Kestrel was burned when she tried to escape with Peril because the embryonic sac was wiped off
Best explanation I have in my mind for the food thing is to just ignore the drawing of Smolder and Flower. Pretend that scavengers are actually bigger, or dragons are smaller, either way the food can be regular size
My explanation for Sky and Peril is that firescales require oxygen to heat up. This would explain why Peril can walk in JMA without leaving patches of the floor hot enough to burn other students, as the scales on her talons wouldn't have enough oxygen to keep the reaction going. Under this hypothesis, Peril's scales wouldn't have been hot enough to pose a threat to Sky until a few minutes after hatching. Also, I believe that Peril's explanation for what happened to Sky in the egg was that she ate him before she hatched or something.
Something i have learned is that in the dragon world, their fruit, animals, etc is sized enough to fit their size, so a blueberry would be about the size of a grown humans head!
It actually explained in the book why Onyx is at JMA. The book said she had little education while she was running away with Palm, so she went to school. Speaking of Palm, has any of you ever thought Prickle is an animus? She said she’d enchant a moon to fall through her head- which exactly happened.
In the real world, we do have different size in the same species - Like with dogs, pigs, horses and goats, and plants also do comes in multiple sizes. It is unfortunately not confirmed that we do have like "more or less two identical species except for the size", but that's the headcanon I went with for the inconsistencies.
What about morpho? The color of his wings wound the been determined until six years after hatching, and the hive wing would not be that patien5 for the scars on the talon palms.
Wait also in book 5 graphic novel, Rose is literally the size of a caterpillar compared to Sunny, BUT, in the cover of flames of hope, Wren, who is YEARS younger than rose is just somewhat smaller than a dragon, small enough to ride sky, and that makes no sense ? 🤨🤨🤨 (well tbh it’s probably just a graphic novel mistake but still)
I really think Onyx should have been a teacher who bonded with and maybe manipulated Qibli in particular, so she could get closer to Thorn. Maybe introduce her in the first series, so her being a teacher wouldn't come out of nowhere too. And yeah, the food thing is super weird and confusing.
One thing I hate is Darkstalkers ridiculous size. He breaks out of the whole mountain top but then can fit in the school? Now you may say, “oh he’s just a little bigger than regular dragons” but Jade mountain has a full planned school for dragons to be in, it’s just way to crazy.
And one of the wierd things I found in Wings of Fire was how Wren learned perfect Dragon from a DRAGONET, because a baby that had like a day of dragon words can’t speak that language and so he could not supply her of dragon words, for he does not know them.
It is confirmed in dragonslayer that there are both human sized and dragon sized variations of animas. When leaf is stuck in the skywing banquet hall, he notes that there were huge oversized food and animals. I have a personal headcannon that an aminis dragon in history could not find enough food for themselves or their family and enchanted the food to have bigger proportions.
I have an idea for the fruit part , there might be different types of the fruit where some of it could possibly be big enough for the dragons but the humans could be eating a smaller version of that fruit that looks and tastes the same but is just a bit smaller I'm probably wrong though about some of the fruits but maybe a few are like that
What about bugs, ants etc.? Scavengers must see those large, even though they’re still tiny. How big would a pray-mantis be? If ants are like dots to us, how big would they be to dragons? I’ve thought about that a lot and just don’t know how to figure it out.
I'm choosing to say the size thing is just magic lmao, that seems more fun. No science thought out, just a filler. Fruit grows or shrinks depending on who touches it. If a scavenger touched it, it would shrink to their size, same with Dragons, just the fruit will grow larger.
I always took it for granted that Sky was immune to fire, or at least firescales, because- as you say-- he would have been incinerated in the egg otherwise. Or maybe just Peril's firescales, because half of her fire was technically Sky's originally. Or at least that's what the skywing tribe assumes; since they usually kill firescaled dragonets as hatchlings it's not like they've actually studied the condition. Another possibility is that a dragonet's firescales don't "turn on" until after they hatch and take their first breath. This seems likely, because otherwise they'd burn up their own egg before they were mature enough to survive hatching. Plus, if firescales emerged prenatally, the skywings would be able to tell which eggs were carrying firescale dragonets by their unusual heat, and over the cliff they would go before their shell had its first crack. The size inconsistency... yeah, you're right. I'm willing to give Tui a pass on this, though, because at least she doesn't have protagonist-centered morality, and except for this the internal consistency is very good. (cough) J. K. Rowling (cough)
Somebody else gonna talk about the fact that darkstalker took turtles powers and then turtle. Just all of a sudden. Had them back in the next book lioe huh?
The sizing is really messed up in the series and I couldn’t agree more. The novels first mentioned that the human height would be almost up to clay’s shoulder. Who -mind you- is the biggest of the five Dragonets of Destiny. So it would make sense that that they’re just a tad-bit larger than a Shire horse nearly full grown. But the lack of consistancy makes it harder to get a reference of how big dragons are supposed to be. This is made worse by the graphic novels say “screw sizes, here’s a blueberry the size of a human head”.
Also, Firescales would be impossible because as soon as its egg is laid (twin or not) the hatching would shrivel up the egg IMMEDIATELY, killing while it's underdeveloped. Even before that, maybe while the egg in in the dragoness it would burn the shell and then the mother from the inside.
The things about the food is what got my brain hurting. Maybe there are human and dragons sized fruits? Like how there are different kinds of apple. That's the best I've got for that.
in book 10 after anemone cast the empathy spell and transported the icewings to the ice kingdom and the nightwings to the night kingdom, why did darkstalker go to the night kingdom? he's a nightwing - icwing hybrid.
I think the reason the dragons can eat so small quantitys of food is because in one of the books it's explained that dragons can go a long time withoit eating so small quantitys are enough for them.
Another for sizeing: bumblebee climbs on the shoulders of a scavenger {I don't remember which one lol} And the only explanation is A) Bumblebee is abnormally small and/or B) the scavenger is abnormally big
The sizing of the scavengers would also confuse me. In Dragonslayer, Wren could carry Sky on her shoulder when he was little. Based on the scale shown in the video, baby dragonets would be about the size of a dragon ear. I feel like the sizing of scavengers are not at all consistent throughout the wings of fire series. In the same book, Leaf could fit in a small gap in Sweetfaces neck, making him probably the size of a talon. And yet a scavenger is told to be a full meal for dragons.
What other odd things have you guys noticed? Let me know down below!
Another odd thing is why would Queen Coral “train” Anemone? Anemone could just cast a spell when no one is looking and stop the war, just make everyone get along. But that might make the second arc a little unnecessary if that happened- still would have been good if Anemone had done that
What I don't understand is how the fruits can be small and large at the at the exact same time, so are they large? Or small?
Okay, I just remembered another one. So you know how in the beginning on the Lost Hair dragonets get almost spotted by a SkyWing patrol? WTF WAS IT DOING THERE?! We know that the dragonets left the Sky Kingdom in the end of the first book and didn’t plan to go back there. They were mowing East towards the “tail” and the Sea Kingdom. And considering how impatient Tsunami was I’d say they were pretty close to it. Which means there should be no SkyWings that far into the MudWing territory. From what we’ve seen different allies would get together only for attacks and occasional guest visits. No soldiers trade or anything. That means there should’ve been a MudWing patrol, not a SkyWing
@@useruser-gb3kh true but didn't Crocodile follow webs? I just assumed Crocodile told the skywings and I'm pretty sure the skywing weren't looking for the dragonets they were following Crocodile which was following Webs and I'm sorry if that explanation was confusing
I got one in book six moon rising, moon had a prophecy of what would happen if she stopped the awful prophecy and in that prophecy she saw a deep red ish brown dragonet ofc that’s perils and clays dragonet, and peril have to be the one laying the egg. HOW DID THE EGG DIDNT BURNT TO A CRISP also it says in escaping peril prologue that she burnt all the skywing eggs that’s fit for the prophecy SO HOW DID THE DRAGONET SURVIVE!!!
In the Darkstalker legends book it mentions that the pet scavengers in the school used an apple as a peace offering and it’s mentioned that dragons were eating apples. So dragons are eating something as small as a pea and that’s the size of there fruit apparently?
Actually fruits are bigger in that world
@@TrickyTalon23 Really?
@@Energy_Department yep, it's like when dinosaurs were around. Everything was way larger than it is now. Because dragons are the dominant species, we'll, the food probably was modified to the size the dragons wanted it to be.
@@-thunderstar-6414 Ohh ok I got it. Thanks
@@Energy_Department ok lol because I thought my explanation was a little confusing
I suppose there *could* be an argument that dragons and/or humans could have cultivated some foods over time to be larger/smaller respectively. After all, we see that in our own, real-world agriculture. Like with corn, for example. It started out with the edible part being really tiny, and now it can be the length of a person's forearm. Or perhaps fruits have evolved/mutated to be larger or smaller based on what species is nearby. Course, neither of the options are really hinted at in the books, are they? But it's something to consider.
Be amazed has a video about this :)
I mean on the the sizes of fruits
Not exactly but you'll see
This is weird and kinda gross but poop?💩 dragon poop would probably be bigger so more nutrients?
This makes sense but the reason that fruit and vegetables got bigger was because people would take the seeds from the abnormally large fruit/vegtables and would plant them and kept doing that until they were artificially evolved into more edible fruit and vegetables and you are partly right about the fact that they could be mutated
I think it's that Peril's firescales only kicked in when exposed to oxygen, like how porcupines quills harden after birth, so when Peril and Sky hatched Peril's scales would heat up in a few minutes, giving Sky the time to get out of the egg too. Also an example is when Peril was swimming and fish could swim up next to her and not die.
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Yes, because fire needs oxygen to burn.
I just reread this, earlier she put her tail in a pond and all the fish inside boiled and died.
This book series is not very consistent with it’s logic-
@@fabledpigeon Because most of her body was out of water, allowing heat to transverse through her body, allowing the tail to keep average temperature, unlike when almost her whole body was underwater. Way less air, think about it more.
@@stranger9155 true- I’m not gonna go too deep into the science but that makes sense
I literally just commented the same hypothesis without realizing someone had already done so.
For Onyx, I'd say, at least we were given SOME sort of excuse as to how and why Onyx was with the younger dragonets. (She snuck in as part of the plan to learn more about Sunny and possibly take her out, and everyone forgot she was 19, meaning she at least looks young enough to be in the place. ) The third one with Sky being invulnerable to Peril's scales makes sense, and I headcanon it. My explanation for it was since it's also HIS fire, he's sort of immune to it. Along with that, as you pointed out, Sky should've burned in the egg, like Scarlet said.
I honestly didn't know onyx was 19 until now, I thought she was 8
Some people say it would have made much more sense for her to be a teacher because she had the age and it would have given her more access to things and more of a chance to spy on the dragonets. But that’s the thing, would they let a random sandwing that just showed up that wanted a teaching position have it? Even if they did they wouldn’t do without some questioning right?
I think Onyx probably lied about her age to get in.
Finally, someone brought up the food sizing! It’s so inconsistent. At one point in Dragonslayer (and I think Moon Rising as well) it’s mentioned that a blueberry is the size of someone’s hand…which is HUGE. But at other times it just seems to be normal sized??? I’ve always been so confused about this.
With Onyx I just assumed she looked much younger and smaller than she was, but now that I think about it it STILL doesn’t make much sense.
I headcanon that either the sort of gooey egg-stuff would have kept Sky safe or Peril wouldn’t really burn until she hatched, although fire immunity is way cooler.
Sense there are more examples of Fruit being bigger than normal, I think it's more likely that Pyrrhiain Fruit is huge.
Look at the sense in Darkness of Dragons when Darkstalker holds & PICKS THE LEAVES off a strawberry.
None of the characters comment on how big the berry is, it must be a normal size for Pyrrhiain strawberries.
But it can't be the size of a real strawberry, 'cause someone Darkstalkers' size holding somthing that small is like someone our size holding a Musterd seed
Ikr! I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed it
I've just begun reading into Wings of Fire, and aside from the triple moons of "The Land of the Lost", the sizing issues didn't escape My notice! But, in Land of the Lost, There are portrayals of supesized berries and veggies, as well as normal sized of the same. These were Explained in the failed remake of the 1990's as due to genetic engineering. There's also a mention by Wesley Eure's Character concerning "Why there's dinosaurs here in the first place". He suggested that "everything is from other worlds and times just evolved...". Tui doesn't say just how advanced Dragons and humans were before "The Scorching", but, I've come across Three fan stories suggesting that humans may have come from space as invaders! I've considered that Both humans and Dragons came from different planets and fought over this new world.... whatever, not much Makes any Scientific (or Magical) sense in the Wings of Fire World! Basically, WOF is Just "Game of Thrones", but, with Dragons in the human roles! 😻
@@ericvondell5157 Oh wow, that's a really cool theory! It definitely would explain a lot, like animus magic and an unusual amount of limbs in dragons, along with all the sizing stuff!
@@Dogloverlikesdoge Me too!
I think I remember a part in book 15 that said the fruit were a lot smaller than usual when grown on human farms. And there was a part in book 6 where Bandit eats a blueberry that fits into both his hands at once. I've got a feeling magic might have been involved, or cultivation.
Oh yeah! An animus dragon probably enchanted mostly all the fruit to be super sized for dragon!
Actually, I think that agricultural dragons weeded out the small foods and kept the biggest ones, like selective breeding but plants.
I agree with ALL of these things! Especially the oversized/tiny food. Plus, I agree that Onyx should have been a teacher now that I look back on it. Thinking certain things through like that is very important when writing books. I’m not criticizing Tui I’m just saying. Yea *is* Sky immune to fire like Clay? Super weird that he didn’t die in their egg.
Peril absorbed his fire and I'm gonna assume there's probably something stopping dragons from being burnt by their own fire.
Yeah, definitely
I had NO IDEA Onyx was so old hahahaha. That is really weird. As for the dragons' food intake: I think we can partly explain that with the fact that they're reptiles (at least, I think they are). Being cold blooded means they don't have to eat as much to replace the energy their body is using - a crocodile, for example, only needs to eat once a week or so to keep itself full and some have even been documented to go over an entire YEAR without eating anything. So, for Clay to be constantly hungry (even after eating an entire cow) is a bit wild. Still, a single kiwi probably wouldn't mean much to a dragon haha - it'd be like giving a person a single grape or something like that. Not exactly filling.
I suppose it's the thought that counts XD
It was noted in one of the books (book four or five??) that a dragon can go a month without food before dying. Plus, a cold blooded creature couldn’t live that far north in the arctic, so ice wings HAVE to be warm blooded. Also, sand wings emit heat from their scales; and I don’t THINK (correct me if I’m wrong) reptiles can emit heat like that. If two dragon tribes are warm blooded; who says that the rest aren’t as well?
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Maybe Jade Mountain is a school with an open policy for any age, it's never too late to learn.
respect to the sizes that confuses me a lot, I always thought that humans were the size like in the image of Smolder and Rose or even bigger because they can carry a small dragonet, but the graphic levels draw them smaller I don't like that, I prefer them to be a little bigger, I think the indicated size would be up to the shoulder of a dragon.
I think that Sky having the same scales as Peril, she can touch him without hurting him, I have the theory that touching Peril's fire scales could happen to Sky and vice versa, it's just a theory, an idea, I've been thinking about it a lot, but it would be great to see that they could share the scales of fire.
Even if any age can come, it's still a bit weird to place adults in classes with children. Maybe Onyx could have been a teacher or there could be all adult classes of some kind
and in book one when tsunami and clay escaped clay added " barely as high as his shoulder" and i dont know if this matches up but the sword was 4 times longer than a regular dragon claw. pg 89 and 90
I just want Sky to finally meet peril, realize they’re siblings, and on impulse just hug her. Where we then see that he’s not effected by her flames.
With the first one, I always thought Jade Mountain Academy worked more as a college or school that dragons of all ages can attend. It could be a coincidence that Onyx is in a school full of dragons younger then her, or it could just be some kind of inconsistency, we know Tui has done that in the past with dragon ages.
To add onto the sizing issue with humans and dragons, why in the world are dragonets so small? We see multiple times that baby dragons can sit on a humans shoulder and even be tossed around, as seen with baby Sky and Bumblebee. Humans shouldn't be able to support the weight of a dragonet, as they should realistically be the same size as a human. (unless baby dragonets are canonically the size of a pea to adult dragons).
As for the animal and plant sizing compared to humans, the only logical explanation that I can come up with is that there is some kind of form of gigantism, like certain plants and animals have some sort of parasite or virus that makes them grow in size. Either that, or we're looking at completely different species of animals and plants that look like the normal ones, just bigger.
As for Sky not being burned by Peril while in the egg? It's possible he's immune, but I still have no idea.
Here's another thing: How do dragons learn to speak? Sky learns to speak Dragon as he gets older, without other dragons to teach him.
Oh my goodness, that has bothered me for so long! How can Sky even speak dragon? He was never raised by Kestrel
I'd assume it's a natural instinct for them, the problem with this stuff is that people think of it in human terms
Yeah, i’d assume it was a natural instinct. I mean, when moon hatched she was also able to kind of speak (albeit very little), and sky probably wasn’t isolated from dragons his whole life, so he could learn from the speech around him.
Something that has always bugged me since the third arc is when Sundew used Bullet ants, and specifically called them Bullet ants. These ants are named so because their sting feels like being shot, but as far as I know, guns don’t exist in the world of Wings of Fire.
I hadn't even noticed that! Good observation.
I noticed that too, so I just explained it away in one of my fanfics as the dragons having technology on par with Victorian Era England and just lost that in the scorching but the words still stuck around. Of course this was before we knew anything about The Scorching so I detailed it out myself.
When it comes to fruit and other plants with mixed up sizing, I think dragons usually would grow the fruit larger while a human would make it hand sized.
Sky most likely has fire proof scales, because of Peril.
Onyx or Flame being older than the teachers isn't that bad in my opinion. I think in a dragon society they don't care about age. Plus Onyx went most likely because after her mother's death she had to teach herself so she went to the academy to learn more.
The Cow thing doesn't make that much sense but i guess the cows are taller than the humans, but still not as smart so humans could put them in a fenced area. Still the mixed up sizing is weird
What I think doesn't make sense with mixed sizing is how the Dreamvisitor is so small on the cover of Dragon Slayer when it was about the size of a pocket knife in Darkstalker.
I have an explanation for the 2nd one:
This is hard to explain but maybe fruit can be ripened at a very small size (which could satisfy a scavenger), and it could grow to a size to satisfy a dragon. And for meat, I think that there are varied species. Maybe scavengers could keep a species of cows small enough for them, and dragons could have bigger species of cows for them. This is highly unlikely, but thanks for looking over it.
Maybe, yeah!
I think that maybe normal cattle are about 6’8” tall, since a 6yr old dragon (according to WoF experimental wiki) is about 9’8” to 8’2” tall, so a cow that size should be enough to sciatic hunger, but people don’t even eat something about a third of their size, so they would probably be a bit larger than normal sized. And as for fruit my guess is that they have a size comparison as a normal fruit to a human, like a mango would be the same size or a bit larger than a dragon talon. But this isn’t even earth, so size rules won’t completely make sense.
And my theory for firescales and ashscales (I think that’s what their called) is that ashscales are either invulnerable to all Fire, or maybe just firescales, or maybe even just to their twin counterparts.
well I have a theroy with the whole 'Sky would have died in the egg' thing, maybe, that only when peril was exposed to the oxygen in the air it triggered her scales to become so warm, because fire needs oxygen to burn. So the suppository only once Peril has been exposed to the oxygen in the air she began to heat up.
Interesting!
Isn't the food thing obvious? For the livestock, animals must have evolved to be bigger in order not to go extinct, but the livestock already had by humans must have STAYED THE SAME. In Darkstalker's book, THEY MUST HAVE CUT THE FRUIT INTO SMALLER PIECES FOR THE SCAVENGERS! In The Brightest Night, Smolder must have given Rose A BABY BANANA! YOU CAN SEE THEM IN STORES!
I feel like even a dragon-proportioned baby banana would still be too big for a human
As for the size difference, I have a few theories that might work (some spoilers for Arc 2 ahead!)
1. The early size comparison shown 1:40 could be between a full-grown dragon and a human. It's possible that dragonets are just much smaller. We've known that Morrowseer is quite big compared to the original Dragonets, so there also might be some significant size difference among the dragons themselves.
2. Most dragons aren't really that big. It could be that the average size of dragons compared to humans is closer to something we would see in Dreamworks Dragons. The large dragons that are shown might happen to just be exceptions.
3. The plant life of Pyrrhia has split into two different types: human-sized and dragon-sized. In a scene from Moon Rising, Moonwatcher passes a blueberry to Bandit (Winter's pet human). This would not be possible if the blueberry was human-sized. Then in Winter Turning, Winter saw vegetable gardens growing in a fortified human town. Therefore, the plants must be human-sized, or else there would be carrot leaves the size of trees.
It could be any one, or a combination of some of these theories. Hopefully the upcoming Wings of Fire Guidebook can help shed some light on this mystery
I think an explanation for Sky not dying in the egg would be that dragon eggs have a sort of goo inside them like chicken eggs, where the dragons eat it until they hatch, and since Peril can’t burn things in water, this likely would have stopped her from burning Sky as well.
I actually don’t see much problem with any of these
1. I didn’t read the second arc yet, but with Onyx I just got the same idea as we have in our world where older people can come to colleges and study with 18 years olds because they want to lear more
2. The animal sizing isn’t a problem at all actually. Looking at the chart of human/dragon difference, a normal sized cow is actually a good one-time meal for a dragon that size. It was mentioned that they do hunt smaller animals, but I guess they could be somewhat of a snack. When it comes to fruits, Tui actually said that they were dragon-sized. It doesn’t really explain how humans can eat them normally, but they could just cut it or there could be different sized fruits. I mean it’s a magical world
3. Here there could be a lot of different theories. I’d guess that the liquid in the egg keeps the dragonets completely safe till they are out. Basically I would say you can’t really tell it doesn’t make sense if there’s no clear rules about how this works
In Darkstalkers’ book, what *really* annoyed me was that fact that apparently his scroll was burned to absolute friggin ash and somehow Kinkajou could write on it?
I think she used a scrap from chameleon’s treasure
yea, she used the pieces of the scroll from Chameleon’s pouch with his different forms- she wrote on the backs
That brings up another issue, how did darkstalker get his powers back if there was still scroll left?
@@barklet6110 I think that even though pieces were missing, the big part peril burned was basically his scroll so by destroying it he got his power
One thing I noticed was that, in the book talking about Darkstalker, Fathom, and Clearsight, Darkstalker mentions that he placed an animus spell on a small bell that would ring and alert him whenever someone used his scroll to cast a spell. Spoilers:
Why didn't he hear it ring when Kinkajou cast the spell on the strawberry?
I mean, it’s been 2000 years, what are the chances that bell still exists? Plus, did he ever enchant it to be immune to the ravages of time? Did he ever enchant it so he could hear it even when far outside the Night Kingdom?
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One thing I didn't understand about sky is that when he was a dragonet wren found him and the traveled a bit until they came across a cave, but not just any cave but the dragonets cave. It shows them being about the same age as Sky, if not older. But Peril and Sky are twins, and Peril was born a year before them, mentioned in the first book. This makes Sky older then them and that means the dragonets would still be IN THERE EGGS. Just something to think about.
Honestly, my least favorite part of WoF is the humans. I feel like they just shouldn’t be in the world that WoF
Would also like to mention that in the third series **Spoilers** a Scavenger plays with Bumbleebee and she actually holds with her. I know that dragonets are supposed to be small but not that small.
Yeah, good point
Actually, I’m pretty sure when we first met Anemone, it was said that she was smaller than a scavenger, and also, Wren had held baby Sky.
Another thing, when Wren finds sky it says he is small enough to curl around her shoulders (or something like that, I can’t be bothered to grab the book) which means a dragonet is about the size of and adult dragons talon or something, especially because Wren was only 7 at the time. Just another point to the messed up sizing-
Something that makes no sense to me is Peril burning out the venom in Clay's leg
I'm glad she did it & i understand HOW she did it, but how did she learn how to do that?
I don't think you'd get very much medical training if you'd lived the kind of life Peril did
I haven't even thought about that, but you're right! It's a bit odd that she suddenly got medical knowledge
I kind of figured it was less Peril having medical knowledge out of no where and more so a desperate attempt to save Clay by any means necessary the only way she knows how. By burning it
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Tbh peril probably just started wildly stabbing around and didn’t actually have any knowledge about it
I think everyone is forgetting that this book series is for kids 8-12 years old while we the readers are teenagers to young adults. Of course there's going to be mistakes, it's a kids series.
To discuss Sky's fireproof scales-
I think it is a genetic mutation due to the fact that peril isn't just immune to her own fire...
She is immune to any fire as shown when in Moon Rising she literally walks thro the burning library with no effect.
Meaning that this likely passed onto sky. Plus if peril was always on fire even in the egg Wth did peril not burn the egg itself and even as a dragonet peril is shown to be able to burn a embryo(Unhatched Dragonet) with no problem.
+ Peril didn't even fry herself. Which should have happened if she was burning in the egg because the inside of the egg(Yolk/White) would fry and create smoke. Causing both dragonets to choke to death.
I think the only logical conclusion with the food is to assume that human grown food and dragon grown food are two different sizes. You'd think dragons would breed bigger cows for themselves I guess?
I think that its because sky has the least fire of all the skywings they even refer to him as "The least skywingish skywing" so he can probably withstand more fire because of the fact that he has so little fire
Ok, another thing to add to the sizing! In Dragonslayer Wren is apparently able to hold baby Sky, and I think he even perches on her shoulders at one point (he might not have, I might be remembering that wrong). Wren is a human child. Human adults can be held in dragon claws. How small are almost newly hatched dragonets???? How is a human child able to just carry one around???? What?????
In the comics they make the wof dragons look like human sized
So I think that, for the different sized foods thing, there are essentially two types of every plant and animal. The ones that are human-sized, and the ones that are dragon-sized. This isn't easy to explain in the books, but I believe it's just a matter of evolution. We know that about 5000 years ago, humans ruled the world and there were very few dragons, seemingly anywhere. This means that during the time of The Scorching, the food would have all been human-sized. Dragons with leafspeak could have suggested to the plants to grow larger over time, and animals could have gotten larger based on diet and breeding. There are obviously a lot of holes in this theory, but we know that the dragons are fairly advanced, and have been for some time. Even in Darkstalker's time, there were vast libraries and gardens, so why couldn't there have been biology?
i kinda thought that for animals and plants the humans just did tons of selective breading to get small versions of the stuff
Also during the prologue of Escaping Peril, Ruby's brothers greet her as she enters the hall; however, they normally don't know who she is since previously, their only sister had been Tourmaline. So why did they not question her identity at any point in the prologue? They didn't even seem surprised to see her as if she was always part of their lives, which in reality she was not.
Chameleon likely had something to do with that lol
i have a small theory about peril- maybe she heated up more AFTER hatching but was only warm in the egg? since you probably know how when fire is exposed to oxygen it.. y’know, is able to burn, but inside an egg there probably isn’t any…? maybe that’s why?
Ok so I figured out the “how did sky survive in the egg” question.
To put it simply, sky ISNT immune to fire but peril didn’t have all of it when she hatched.
Ok so the biggest thing her is, if peril can burn OTHER dragonet eggs with a touch why didn’t she burn hers. Also when kestrel picked up peril to escape with her, HOW COULD SHE DO THAT WITHOUT BURNING UP? We know kestrel got in the air before she dropped peril, and only dropped her when she touched her face; usually the most sensitive part of the body
Answer: peril didn’t have all that fire when she hatched! We see peril smoking in the graphic novel when she was born , so she had a little fire. But it’s safe to say when dragons hatch it takes a little bit for their fire organ or whatever to kick in. Meaning sky could of hatched safely and kestrel could have taken peril before her fire started to burn at full force. Also, when kestrel layed the egg the dragonets were not full developed. Fire most likely comes closer to birth. It’s a little weird how I explained it but does this make sense?
Also, adding on to the food problem, sandwings can survive a while on just a lizard or two. Unless there are abnormally large lizards in these books or they eat iguanas, a creature smaller than their toes fills them up
Wouldn't it be cool if sky wasn't immune to fire, but only firescales,, like it didn't hurt him at all, so he can hug his sister
Aw, that would be so sweet-
For the rainwing and fruits it is Said in the books that the sun give them most of the energy they need so they don't need that Much fruits
I have a sulution to the sizing stuff. Cows and so on, are normal size, as well was scavengers, and dragons range from 10-12 feet
im still picturing someone hauling around and cooking a t-rex
It mentioned in Moon Rising about Bandit (Winters Pet) ate a few blueberry's the size of his own head. This is ridiculous, lol.
Also, nice video!
My headcannon for firescales/fireless dragonets is that the fireless dragonet can touch their firescales sibling at least for a little bit, absorbing their heat a bit. Which would explain why Sky didn't burn up in the egg.
I've always thought of dragons as the size of Clydesdales (a big breed of horse) compared to humans. Nothing too crazy, big enough for human to defend themselves but not pose a really threat to dragons, and the live stock would be slightly bigger than real life. About the fruit thing though, I had an idea that maybe the dragon poop is like extra fertilized? So areas with a lot of dragons have massive plants and bigger animals growing there.
Interesting!
I think alot of people forget that Sky isn't confirmed to be Perils sibling in the books. (maybe it was confirmed by Tui, I'm not sure) He may not even be related to her at all, but chances are he is, because the story's link up scarily well if not lmao. Anyways, I think the fact that the other sibling 'burns up in the egg' is kinda outdated, because Scarlet mentions that there hasn't been a firescales in years in the sky kingdom. Either that or I think Chameleon might have something to do with it lol.
I would take whatever Scarlet says with a grain of salt. She isn't known for being a good, honest, dragon, is she?
I agree with all of these! This has been stuff bothering me for years!! Also, I'm puzzled as to how the Dragons/Scavengers breathe. As there has to be enough oxygen in the atmosphere to properly support an animal the size of a dragon. If its the amount of oxygen present on earth, then the Dragons probably wouldn't be able to get enough oxygen each breath. Also, if there was enough oxygen to support the Dragons, then wouldn't "regular" sized forms of life look different due to a different environment/oxygen levels?
Also, how technology has not advanced between Darkstalker: Legends and current time in the books.
Maybe the Nightwings were the main innovators of Pyrrhia that all the other dragons relied on for newer technology, and them going into a 2k-year-long exile on the volcanic island all of a sudden left nobody to come up with new technology in that time? I mean, I’m pretty sure Pantala is only more advanced than Pyrrhia because Clearsight was there and readily accessible for things like figuring out new technologies
On the cover of The Hive Queen, Cricket’s talons are black, but in EVERY OTHER BOOK, they are described as ‘warm golden/honey’
That's definitely weird... there are quite a few cover mistakes as well like Qibli's snout scar being missing on his cover.
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I was rlly confised in the books because when i read the 5th book theres a scene where sunny lets a female scavenger ride on her shoulder/ or back and a important thing to note is sunny is rlly small compared to other dragons, and even with that sunny looked huge! But in the same book when flower is sitting on sunnys shoulder,flower doesnt look that small compared to the previous scavenger i mentioned, and when sunny meets her father a fox apears to feed stone mover and get the fox is about the size if not slightly bigger than sunnys tail???
Also- during Qibli's book Vulture is watching scavengers in a maze.
and its big enough for two dragons to be able to pick it up. :/ matrix hello?
I think that sky got the fireproof scales but had a some problem that could have caused him to lose/ not have fire scales
Dragons in Wings of Fire are much bigger than humans. So their food would have to be bigger to satisfy their stomach. It is also mentioned in *Moon Rising* that Kinkajou gives Bandit a blueberry that is the size of its head. So basically, The dragons that are so much bigger than humans have human-sized fruit to THEM. The humans have human-sized fruit to THEM. Both of those sizes exist.
Two things that don't make sense to me happen in book 14/15.
First, I was under the impression that Sky would be weaker than the average dragon. Even if he's a skywing, I always had the impression that he would be too weak to be strong enough to fly all the way to the lost continent.
Second was another size related things, in that apparently that baby dragonets are small enough to crawl on a scavenger's shoulders without them being super crushed by a literal dragon being on them.
With the sizing of fruit it could be they grow dragon-sized fruits and scavenger's grow human-sized fruits? Like different kinds of fertilizer? I'm not sure on the animals though. That is super confusing. As for Sky, I think that he may be fire proof since he shared an egg with Peril. Even though she absorbed all his fire. Honestly, these are all great questions.
I'm pretty sure firescales develop just before they hatch because most repiles scales develop straight before they hatch so maybe dragons do the same?
I've always thought that there were different types of fruits, human sized and dragon sized
My food Theory is that all food and live stock comes in all different sizes like a banana can be a normal size for a human but another banana from a different tree could be dragon sized same with animals. And it can be any size in between human size and dragon size just depends on the soil or food given
Ok but for sizing also somehow 5 year old wren could hold baby sky in her arms? Like-
Okay, now *that's* even weirder-
i thought of that when i read dragonslayer
For the egg thing, I could be wrong but the whole point of eggs is that they contain a kind of water/liquid like substance to keep the baby in place. With this wet substance when Peril and Sky were born they would come out wet. With this mabye it would take longer for Peril’s firescales to kick in, also fire requires at least 16 percent of oxygen content to burn so that could be why she didn’t burn him when they were hatching or in the egg together. 🤷♀️
That would actually make the most sense ngl
For the sizing part, I think it was a mistake that Rose ate a small banana because another huge sized fruit or “dragon-sized” was during Moon Rising when there was a blueberry the size of a human hand.
One other thing is that they always act like Umber is the youngest of Clay's siblings but, he hatched on the same day.
The last hatched, so he would be the youngest, just by minutes or something.
@@ApricityGlow They always act like he's years younger. He is technically just as old as Clay.
A blueberry was handed to Winter's pet scavenger Bandit, and the scavenger had to hold the blueberry with "both paws". So the blueberry was like melon-sized to Bandit.
AND *SPOILER FOR THE SECOND/THIRD ARCS*
And in Snowfall's book, there were scavengers LIFTING UP AND THROWING baby dragonets. But these dragonets had been described to coil entirely around a grown dragon's neck??? And then there's also the massive issue with how the heck that scavenger killed Queen Oasis. It said "he lifted his sword and plunged it into her chest", not word-for-word, but HE WAS STANDING ON THE GROUND AND SHE WAS STANDING UP STRAIGHT? How LONG was that sword???
Plus, scavengers RIDE HORSES and CAMELS, but a camel or a horse is enough to feed multiple dragonets. Moon and Qibli shared a mountain goat and it was enough for them.
So all I can think of that makes ANY sense, is that there are two kinds of everything. Human-sized things and dragon-sized things. Giant chickens and regular chickens. It still makes NO SENSE but it makes more sense than before.
And the dragonet-tossing... I can't even. I just can't. It was really frustrating to read that part in the book. This is something an editor should have caught, or a beta-reader.
Wings of Fire... I've been reading the books for a really long time, and I plan to keep on reading. But MAN some things just frustrate the snot outta me.
Actually, when we got to have the scavenger perspective on the night Oasis died, Oasis had fallen or her head was low to the ground attacking the other scavenger and he stuck it into her eye.
I heard that Tui said that blueberries were around the size of a scavengers head although this might not be true
The food size issues can at least be partially explained by selective breeding; dragons and scavs would naturally prioritize different traits due to their differing lifestyles, nutritional demands, and sense of taste and smell.
Bananas are actually a perfect example of Tui switching from dragon POV to scavenger POV and back again in the middle of a sentence without telling anyone, and thus creating the illusion of a size problem where none exists:
* If you ask Smolder, a banana plant grows one banana at a time, and bananas are about as large as a scavenger.
* If you ask Flower, a banana plant grows hundreds of bananas at a time, and each banana is about half the size of one of Smolder's claws.
* They'd both be talking about the same plant and the same fruits; they'd just be disagreeing on what counts as "*one*" banana.
To answer:
1. The reason Onyx was at Jade Mountain was probably to be like a college student. Maybe she wanted education on something other than the war.
2. As we learn in The Poison Jungle, aka book 13, plants & animals can be different sizes. There are most likely different kind of animals & plants to accommodate for the humans & dragons.
3. I agree with StarSeeker The Sand-Rainwing. Fire needs air to keep burning, so Peril's fire scales probably took a second or ten to activate, giving Sky the chance to crawl away & not get burned.
One thing I hope gets shown eventually is Peril & Sky discovering that they're siblings. I REALLY hope they show that:)
Thank you for bringing up the good part! I’ve always wondered about it and can never wrap my mind around how it works
I think that the embryonic sac juice stuff in Peril and Sky's egg was enough of a buffer to just make a very toasty temperature in the egg, not burn him. And Sky wasn't burned when they hatched together, but Kestrel was burned when she tried to escape with Peril because the embryonic sac was wiped off
Best explanation I have in my mind for the food thing is to just ignore the drawing of Smolder and Flower. Pretend that scavengers are actually bigger, or dragons are smaller, either way the food can be regular size
My explanation for Sky and Peril is that firescales require oxygen to heat up. This would explain why Peril can walk in JMA without leaving patches of the floor hot enough to burn other students, as the scales on her talons wouldn't have enough oxygen to keep the reaction going. Under this hypothesis, Peril's scales wouldn't have been hot enough to pose a threat to Sky until a few minutes after hatching. Also, I believe that Peril's explanation for what happened to Sky in the egg was that she ate him before she hatched or something.
Something i have learned is that in the dragon world, their fruit, animals, etc is sized enough to fit their size, so a blueberry would be about the size of a grown humans head!
It actually explained in the book why Onyx is at JMA. The book said she had little education while she was running away with Palm, so she went to school. Speaking of Palm, has any of you ever thought Prickle is an animus? She said she’d enchant a moon to fall through her head- which exactly happened.
In the real world, we do have different size in the same species - Like with dogs, pigs, horses and goats, and plants also do comes in multiple sizes. It is unfortunately not confirmed that we do have like "more or less two identical species except for the size", but that's the headcanon I went with for the inconsistencies.
What about morpho? The color of his wings wound the been determined until six years after hatching, and the hive wing would not be that patien5 for the scars on the talon palms.
Wait also in book 5 graphic novel, Rose is literally the size of a caterpillar compared to Sunny, BUT, in the cover of flames of hope, Wren, who is YEARS younger than rose is just somewhat smaller than a dragon, small enough to ride sky, and that makes no sense ? 🤨🤨🤨 (well tbh it’s probably just a graphic novel mistake but still)
I really think Onyx should have been a teacher who bonded with and maybe manipulated Qibli in particular, so she could get closer to Thorn.
Maybe introduce her in the first series, so her being a teacher wouldn't come out of nowhere too.
And yeah, the food thing is super weird and confusing.
Definitely! That would have been awesome to see
That's a really interesting idea
i remember looking at the rainforest for the first time in the graphic novels and im like "why's that toucan so big?"
Personally on sizing, I think maybe there’s things sized to dragons and the same thing for scavengers, so like size mutation I dunno
One thing I hate is Darkstalkers ridiculous size. He breaks out of the whole mountain top but then can fit in the school? Now you may say, “oh he’s just a little bigger than regular dragons” but Jade mountain has a full planned school for dragons to be in, it’s just way to crazy.
And one of the wierd things I found in Wings of Fire was how Wren learned perfect Dragon from a DRAGONET, because a baby that had like a day of dragon words can’t speak that language and so he could not supply her of dragon words, for he does not know them.
It is confirmed in dragonslayer that there are both human sized and dragon sized variations of animas. When leaf is stuck in the skywing banquet hall, he notes that there were huge oversized food and animals. I have a personal headcannon that an aminis dragon in history could not find enough food for themselves or their family and enchanted the food to have bigger proportions.
This also applies to vegetation as well
I have an idea for the fruit part , there might be different types of the fruit where some of it could possibly be big enough for the dragons but the humans could be eating a smaller version of that fruit that looks and tastes the same but is just a bit smaller I'm probably wrong though about some of the fruits but maybe a few are like that
What about bugs, ants etc.? Scavengers must see those large, even though they’re still tiny. How big would a pray-mantis be? If ants are like dots to us, how big would they be to dragons? I’ve thought about that a lot and just don’t know how to figure it out.
When you mention the size thing, it does make sense, because that’s how ants survive, everything is like 100 times their size.
I'm choosing to say the size thing is just magic lmao, that seems more fun. No science thought out, just a filler.
Fruit grows or shrinks depending on who touches it. If a scavenger touched it, it would shrink to their size, same with Dragons, just the fruit will grow larger.
the fact that Sundew has a leaf on her tail but no other leafwing on the cover does
I always imagined that full-grown dragons would be roughly the size of, if not a little larger than a rhino on average.
I always took it for granted that Sky was immune to fire, or at least firescales, because- as you say-- he would have been incinerated in the egg otherwise. Or maybe just Peril's firescales, because half of her fire was technically Sky's originally. Or at least that's what the skywing tribe assumes; since they usually kill firescaled dragonets as hatchlings it's not like they've actually studied the condition.
Another possibility is that a dragonet's firescales don't "turn on" until after they hatch and take their first breath. This seems likely, because otherwise they'd burn up their own egg before they were mature enough to survive hatching. Plus, if firescales emerged prenatally, the skywings would be able to tell which eggs were carrying firescale dragonets by their unusual heat, and over the cliff they would go before their shell had its first crack.
The size inconsistency... yeah, you're right. I'm willing to give Tui a pass on this, though, because at least she doesn't have protagonist-centered morality, and except for this the internal consistency is very good. (cough) J. K. Rowling (cough)
I mean if there was people sized food or food variants dragons wouldn’t even acknowledge it.
True, yeah
I don’t think there was an age limit in Jade Academy lol that’s probably why onyx was accepted
Somebody else gonna talk about the fact that darkstalker took turtles powers and then turtle. Just all of a sudden. Had them back in the next book lioe huh?
qibli gave him a earring that made him immune to darkstalkers spells, and he used a spell to take his powers away SO THERE
@@Fogclaws o thanks I guess my brain skipped over that part
The sizing is really messed up in the series and I couldn’t agree more. The novels first mentioned that the human height would be almost up to clay’s shoulder. Who -mind you- is the biggest of the five Dragonets of Destiny. So it would make sense that that they’re just a tad-bit larger than a Shire horse nearly full grown. But the lack of consistancy makes it harder to get a reference of how big dragons are supposed to be. This is made worse by the graphic novels say “screw sizes, here’s a blueberry the size of a human head”.
Also, Firescales would be impossible because as soon as its egg is laid (twin or not) the hatching would shrivel up the egg IMMEDIATELY, killing while it's underdeveloped. Even before that, maybe while the egg in in the dragoness it would burn the shell and then the mother from the inside.
The things about the food is what got my brain hurting. Maybe there are human and dragons sized fruits? Like how there are different kinds of apple. That's the best I've got for that.
in book 10 after anemone cast the empathy spell and transported the icewings to the ice kingdom and the nightwings to the night kingdom, why did darkstalker go to the night kingdom? he's a nightwing - icwing hybrid.
I think the reason the dragons can eat so small quantitys of food is because in one of the books it's explained that dragons can go a long time withoit eating so small quantitys are enough for them.
Another for sizeing: bumblebee climbs on the shoulders of a scavenger {I don't remember which one lol} And the only explanation is A) Bumblebee is abnormally small and/or B) the scavenger is abnormally big
When this scene happend all I could think is a scarf the size of a calf XD
The sizing of the scavengers would also confuse me. In Dragonslayer, Wren could carry Sky on her shoulder when he was little. Based on the scale shown in the video, baby dragonets would be about the size of a dragon ear. I feel like the sizing of scavengers are not at all consistent throughout the wings of fire series. In the same book, Leaf could fit in a small gap in Sweetfaces neck, making him probably the size of a talon. And yet a scavenger is told to be a full meal for dragons.