Maths 201 - Five Clock/Gate/Trigger patches that explain EOC & EOR
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- Опубликовано: 31 июл 2024
- Update! There is now a Google Slides doc available that includes all of the diagrams in this video: bit.ly/maths201
Make Noise Maths is one of the most common - but also least understood - modules in the Eurorack world. In the first video of this series, I dig into how the EOR (End-of-rise) and EOC (End-of-cycle) outputs work and how you can use them to manipulate triggers and gates. (This video predates Berhringer's release of the Abacus, but everything here will apply to it as well).
0:00:00 - Introduction
0:00:40 - Clocks
0:03:32 - Trigger Delay
0:06:16 - Trigger/Gate Transmogrification
0:07:10 - Burst Generation/Ratcheting
0:08:21 - Trigger Addition
EQUIPMENT:
The modules that were the focus here:
Make Noise Maths
Mordax DATA (Oscilloscope)
Drums:
Endorphines Queen of Pentacles
Controls:
Intellijel Planar joystick
Effects:
Meris Mercury 7 Reverb pedal (off screen)
Clocks, Dividers & Mults:
4MS Quad Clock Distributor
Doepfer A-160 Clock Divider
Doepfer A-161 Clock/Trigger Sequencer
AI Synthesis AI001 Multiple
Shown but unused:
Nonlinear Circuits Sloths
Void Modular Hexagram VCA
Doepfer A-111-6 Miniature Synth Voice
Mannequins Sisters VCF 
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I just discovered your channel from this video. Outstanding explanations I've not seen anywhere else. I'd encourage you to make more videos when you're motivated to do so. You're real good at it - easy to understand voice, articulate and well-scoped explanations, good camera work, and really effective diagrams. Thank you. Subscribed.
Thank you so much, Don, that's really nice of you to say. I try to bring something to the table that isn't being done elsewhere. I do have another Maths video starting to come together now (this one will be about Voltage and Slew) and am working on some ideas for other non-Maths related videos as well.
you know what ! you are Genius, you are the only one on the earth (on internet) really correctly show how it work ! MAKE NOISE should hire you to write that god damn useless manual
I like that: "Rising" and "Falling". That explains all the behavior instead of just the beginning of it.
Amazing delivery. Please continue to teach stuff. Anything.
The number of times i've tried to explain to people that Maths is the greatest groove machine ever devised for rhythms and groove creation.
I know! That's part of why I wanted to do this one first, and to use percussion & rhythm as my examples - people just look right past Maths when it comes to this stuff.
@@SoundVoltage Infinte grooves my friend always in sync with machine clock triggers come from.
Holy computation, I’ve had Maths for several years and never realized the EOC and EOR gate not trigger concept! Subbing for that alone, nice one
That's great, thanks for the sub! There's a lot hiding in that little beast, that's for sure.
Same!
This is awesome! Thank you for making these videos.
Nailed that tutorial. Not a wasted word or frame. Subscribed!
Great tutorial. Love the new falling and rising names :) I want to etch out and rename the panel
Thanks for this!! I’ve Maths for years and didn’t see EOR and EOC like this. True mislabeling indeed. Was actually looking for a module that would have gate open as long as rise is happening. Turns out I’ve had that in my case all a long 😂
Thanks! Yeah, I've actually considered making my own Maths front panel with thing laid out and described a bit more easily...
I dont want to fall in controversy, but I think EOR and EOC labels are right, first they communicate when the gate starts and not how long is the gate, that depends on how long are the states “fall” and “rise” respectively.
Calling them “Rising” or “Falling” could be more misleading in the sense that they could be confused with a sort of cv source that only “Falls” or “Rise”.
had maths for years, and i've used it for everything from a rudimentary VCA to haphazard sidechain compressor-but that burst generator seriously blew my mind. excellent stuff dude! subbed :)
This might be the best tutorial I have ever seen
Fantastic video. You’ve inspired me to begin using Maths in a new way. You need to keep going with these. Please bring on Part 2!
Thanks! I am working on #2 now: Maths & Pitch CV (it's not just portamento...)
I am trying to program a Maths module for VCV Rack based on the description from its manual, and I completely missed this detail about EoR and EoC outputs, thanks so much! I love your channel, really useful and interesting 👏👏👏
Let me know if I can help at all! :)
Excellent video.
Very generous of you to share the great diagrams you've made.
Thanks, I'm glad you find them helpful!
This is awesome! A highly needed lesson for an essential module
Just stumbled into this and was blown away! Please keep making these!!!
Ur a great educational speaker. Loving the videos. Keep up the great work!
Thanks for all the time you have put into these videos. Also, the slides are awesome. I really appreciate you making me available to us in Google Docs.
I just discovered this channel today. Thank you, thank you for the diagrams. This helps me to understand what is happening and why. This is very useful information. Awesome!
The wording for me makes sense if the channel one attenuvertor is all the way clock wise. The channel one output is basically a triangle wave with different shark or hump shape based on the log/line/exp settings. The gate is triggered at the rise of the wave, thus gate starts at the end of rise.
Please make more of these, although there are many, your way of explanation is easier for my alternative school education, crossword puzzles for English class education level. In no way am I exaggerating my public school experience.
Thank you! I am really glad you found this easier to understand. I will make more :)
These explanations are so helpful and inspiring! Thank you.
A good explanation on some excellent patch examples. Nice work on the graphical explanations too :)
Thanks! I'm a big believer that the right diagram can make all the difference.
A great video and very informative, keep them coming!
Highly educational, you earned a sub!
Great one, please keep them coming!!
extremely well spoken and those diagrams are amazing, subscribed :). Looking forward to future modular vids!
Thanks! There will be more to come for sure.
Amazing video! I bought Maths as my first module. I am getting into Eurorack first to expand the functionality of my Moog Grandmother, and then as my module collection grows a standalone system. So far Maths is the only module I own. The first day, I had it, I thought maybe I had made a mistake getting it as my one and only module to compliment my Moog. The second day, I spent some time on youtube and then re-read the entire Grandmother Manual so that I better understood what I could use maths to compliment the modules built into the Grandmother. The more I learn about maths, and the more I tinker with it, the more I don't mind that it's all I have for now. Thanks for this education, it really expanded what I can use it for in my meager setup!
wow! I don't have a maths but have been thinking about picking one up, and this was super helpful. Thank you. I hope I can give some of these patches a try myself soon. I can tell the oscilloscope is going to be my friend with this one
Thanks so much for the video/slides!!
Walker would be proud of this video :-) Looking forward to the next one!
The most helpful maths video I’ve seen. Thank you
Hey thanks, I really appreciate that! There's so much hiding under the hood with Maths, it deserves some depth!
Awesome vids thanks for sharing
Cheers from Australia
I think what would be awesome is a video on subharmonic frequencies when you put a voice into the trigger input and use it to create a subharmonic frequency.
Great video and information.
Thanks for this concise demystification!
great review and idea, thanks
Excellent video.
Looking forward to the next one. Great video. Thanks!!! !!!!!!!
Damn! I'm only 5-6 months into my first rack, still bewildered most of the time. Maths arrived 1 week ago, and having been accustomed to Slope/Contour on the 0-Coast, I found it a lot more hands on intuitive than Stages, which has been kinda my nemesis for a while now. I knew that Maths was more than just an EG/LFO, but... Jesus, I had no idea it could do these kinds of things. Trigger Delay look amazing, so much potential there, and best of all, contrary to what a lot of people seem to think, there is a real simplicity in the way that MN label and connect their functions.
This tutorial taught me so much about what the module can do, and it's only one topic - Clock/gate/trigger...
Subbed and watching other Maths tutorials now, starting with 4 pitch cv
Cheers!
That's great! I'm glad the tutorials are helping out. I have one in the works right now about voltage & slew that will dig more into what the mixer section and slew limiters do - there's some pretty cool stuff in there too! That'll probably just be another week or so. And maybe after that I'll do one about the LFO functionality :)
@@SoundVoltage I'll be watching! Thank you!
Great video, thanks!
Thanks for this, very helpful!
JUST AMAZING!!!!! THANKS FOR THE VIDEO, KEEP THEM COMING!!!!
Thank you! Will do!
Outstanding explanation!! Will have to rewatch as my brain is too slow to grab all that, but what a great video!! Thanks!!
Thanks! I figured it was best to let people pause on things if they wanted to rather than make everyone watch a 30 minute long video :) Hope it's helpful!
@@SoundVoltage Absolutely agree! I’m also going to grab some screenshots as well.
Now this is the Jeff I knowww..Awesome Video...i learned quite a bit I must say...Always wanted a Maths...Now I may finally break down & get one...Thanks for sharing this...
This is just one little corner of what it can do. Stay tuned for more videos!
Great video! Learned heaps! Thanks for sharing!
Great video, thanks 👍
Thanks, this is very good.
thankyou ! such a great tutorial
I just dipped my toes into modular, and I've been debating on getting the Maths before I get anything else.
I think I should get Maths
I also think you should get Maths. :) It would be a great module to add early on to a semi-modular.
@@SoundVoltage The only thing holding me back from getting it is I still need to get a semi-modular voice like the 0-Coast, as I want to get that before I really go too far in elsewhere xD
@@Ariakiri_ Yeah, unless you're really flexible with the sound you expect out of it, it is limited on it's own. You could still set one of the cycling LFOs to audio rate, modulate it with the other, slower, LFO, run the results through some effects - that would probably be fun :) But it's better added to a 0-Coast or a Mother-32 or something.
Brilliant...Thank you, this is awesome
Thanks. Hope it was helpful.
Fantastic vid, thank you so much!
Great Video Thanks!
Thanks!
Great video! Would love to see a similar video using the DUSG MK2. I know both modules are similar but seeing it in context of the module is helpful without feeling redundant in my opinion. Been tryin to find ways to use utilize the Serge euro system (in isolation) and a clock divider of sorts, seems vital.
I've thought about picking up a DUSG to look at it, but I haven't had a chance yet.
Ah gotcha! I'd suggest picking one up on used, you can get a decent deal on them through reverb. The Serge line up is great but pretty expensive for what you get. @@SoundVoltage
ok Jeff after all these years i think i'm finally gonna break down and get one...
One of us! One of us! :)
The important thing to remember is: even though it's really easy to just use it as LFOs or envelopes, the real power is lurking underneath all of that. use it as a burst generator, or as an envelope follower, or use it to dial in 0.01V for something. You can get envelopes & LFOs from anywhere.
great now I have to watch this video again tomorrow and take careful notes
The video will be here for review any time you like. :) But I think I'm going to create a PDF with all the diagrams & text, and post those as an accompaniment, if that would help, and I'll do that with other videos in this series.
@@SoundVoltage that's wonderful, thank you.
@@drd8974 The diagrams have been posted at bit.ly/maths201
@@SoundVoltage fresh!
Excellent! I am new to Maths and this really helps understand this complex module. Can you use it with Pressure Points to turn it into a sequencer? How would I modulate Pressure Points with Maths?
Thanks for watching! In my Maths 202 video I give an example of Maths as a sequencer. I think what you'd want to do is do something like in that video, but then patch the Pressure Points in to Channel 2 or 3. Then the SUM output would be the cycling LFOs on Channels 1 and/or 4 added to whatever Pressure Points was sending. Then you could send that to a quantizer to clean it up a bit.
The LFO would repeat, and the Pressure Points would be transposing it up and down.
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I don't have Maths but the 0Coast also has EOC and EON outputs from its Slope and Contour sections. Do you think these really work in the way you describe?
I don't have a 0-Coast, so I can't test directly, but looking at the docs it does look like it works very similarly, though I'm not sure how the Slope & Contour sections are related to each other. But yes, for Slope, EOC is high whenever it is not in the fall segment. And EON works the opposite on Contour, high when it is not in the onset segment. But because you can trigger the Slope & Contour at the same time, and the Onset & Rise segments can be different lengths, you can have different behavior (like both of them high at the same time). I think. :) I should really get a 0-Coast.
How can maths be used to add a glide function to a sputnik modular keyboards’ v/oct cv output?
Take a look at my Maths 203 video, it's all about Slew Limiting, and that's what you want. Basically, you're going to use either channel 1 or 4 as a slew limiter -- something that slows down the transition between two voltage levels -- like gliding between notes. I go into it in depth in that video.
@mcpm how do you like the sisters filter?
I really like it! You can get a lot of lovely movement in the filter by running different voices at different pitches into the hi/low/center inputs and modulating the Span. Definitely worth experimenting with if you get your hands on one.
Maths is great, but I'd rather use a combination of Befaco's Rampage and two simple attenuvertors. Rampage is like having channels 1 and 4 of Maths with better gate and trigger outputs (gate outputs for rising and falling AND a trigger output for the EOC on each channel).
A surprising thing about this module is that Make Noise, being a US company, didnt call it 'Math'. Probably because deep down they know thats just wrong!
One of the many quirks of Englishs.
Blame the internets culture and the Look Around You, Maths episode. which is so funny, people who don't know what a modular is, now own Math's modules. Often acquired through PMing. They just put them in a drawer when they arrive, and forget they even have them.
EOR and EOC are not mislabelled at all. They are different than falling and rising gates. If EOC was only high during the rising stage then you wouldn’t be able to use it as a gate inverter as it wouldn’t go high after the signal went back to zero, which is exactly what EOC means and does