I just read today an interview with whitlock about leaving. I really thought he took a holiday or something. I was looking forward to him coming back. Now I just unsubbed. The shows been mediocre af without him. I didnt always agree at all with whitlock. But he challenged the bs Marcellus shovels often along with other guests. I give this end of summer and its gone unless somehow the quality goes way up. Needless to say I wont be watching anymore.
Wiley just isn't a real host. He reads from the teleprompter and makes it more obvious than Joe "I have dementia" Biden. He's horrible at this. Whitlock made the show because he's a devil's advocate. The show doesn't work when everyone goes along with what Wiley thinks.
Patriots WR's led the league in dropped passes and more than half Tom's ints were off his guys hands come on guys it's obviously not Tom Brady declining
As long as they are all honest and thinking clearly, with various opinions, I have no problem with the grouping. It is what it is. It will change with time too, as all things do.
Wit is a polished guy at that role, but these guys deserve some time. Marcelus is going to be fine if he gets his reps. They are really good commentators, but as far as filling Wit's shoes, that is easier said than done. Not overnight, not immediately, but in time I think it can happen.
Brady's numbers were down but he also had the 32nd ranked receiving group in the NFL. Worst group in getting separation and making contested catches and one of the worst in drops. I think they also lead the league in reciever mistakes. They also had the worst TE group in the league and half the starting line was injured. The fact that he didn't turn into Rivers is outstanding given all of the disfunction. The fact that his numbers were down is not indicative big his play.
This is an error in judgement by Bill Belichick to let Brady get away. If belichick cares about his legasy, if he wants to write his memoirs some day and sell a few books then he should have stuck with Brady. Belichick said in an interview a few years ago that he would not be coaching in his 70's but yet he is 67 now, maybe he changed his mind and now wants to keep on coaching. Can he develop a new young QB in the couple years he has before he retires? It probably will be trial and error with a couple young QBs that will take several seasons. He could have just given Brady everything he needed for the last couple seasons, then Belichick could have coasted to the end and retired when Brady did with his legasy intact. Instead Belichick trades rock solid receivers from Brady's trusted core like Amendola and Hogan. Edelmen and Amendola were very close, there is something to be said for the emotional tie of close knit team members that makes the passing game click which goes beyond how it looks on paper. Does anyone think Edelmen will try as hard now that his mentor is departed? Does anyone really believe the Patriots will still be able to get players to accept pay checks for anything less than market value? Belichick is a tuff old bird, so if he wants to coach until he is about 75 then great, he might have time to build another dynesty, it could be very interesting, I give him all the credit for his ambitious, never say quit attitude. But if he retires in a few years then he just should have rode it out with Brady. People say it's a business decision but from a purely business point of view, the stadium was always full, season tickets had a 10+ year wait list and the Brady jerseys were still a top seller, as profitable NFL francises go it's at the top, the optimistic fans were still interested to see if Brady could win #7, But now it's likely attendance and sales will drop off, if the pats don't have a winning season then it could drop significantly. Does anyone think the New England fans wanted to see Brady leave? This is a business that depends on keeping the fans interested. New England fans are spoiled and have high expectations. The pressure is now on Belichick, if he doesn't have a winning season, at least 10 and 6, then his stock will drop like a rock. This is especially true if TB has a better season. I remember going to few Patriots games in the 90's before Brady, we would go down to find empty seats in a front row at the 50 yard line in the third quarter to get a good look at the cheer leaders. Belichick has had other errors in judgement. Many people think that benching Malcom Butler during SB 54 could have cost the win. Just a couple of plays would have made the difference. And back during SB XLVI(46) Randy Moss was available and "hinting" in public that he wanted to come back to the Patriots, Brady needed a goto receiver with Gronk hurt, but Belichick refused to bring Moss back late in the season when it was clear someone like him was needed. Brady and Moss had a special chemistry. I remember the last few plays of that Superbowl when Gronk was gimping around tripple teamed, it was a bad desperation strategy that could have been avoided. Not to say anyone else would have done a better job, Belichick is still one of the greatest coaches. No one is perfect.
Sounds to me like spikes still mad that he got cut by New England they need to realize that Robert Kraft never wanted Tom Brady gone oh, this was straight up a Bill Belichick move, bilichek wanted Brady gone when Jimmy Garoppolo was there, everybody knows that, Robert Kraft has said on numerous occasions that he would have preferred Bill Belichick keep Tom Brady around but he said that he does not get involved in the football operations, when it comes to what's happening on the field Bill Belichick has the final say. I think this season is going to be a real wake-up call for him because Bill Belichick has been reading his press clippings too much, he's a great coach yes but he's a great coach when he's had the right players, people seem to forget that Bill Belichick before Tom Brady come to New England had a losing record as a head coach oh, he couldn't win in Cleveland with Bernie Kosar and Vinny Testaverde oh, he couldn't get along with the All-Pro quarterback like Drew Bledsoe oh, it wasn't until Tom Brady become his starter that Bill Belichick become recognized as one of the best coaches in football, and I'm sorry to say it but New England is going to have a down season this year, Jarrett Stidham is no Tom Brady, and as for a rookie quarterback they literally have him nothing to throw to as far as wide receivers, and I guarantee you if he had his choice Julian Edelman would be in Tampa Bay right now with Tom and Gronk.. Bill Belichick might get the last laugh in the long run but I think for the next couple of Seasons Tom Brady is going to be the one smiling, because spikes put out that his passing numbers and yardage was down last season, name me who he was throwing the football to? He threw throw for 4000 yards with no wide receivers oh, now he's going to attend this absolutely stacked on offense
I agree with Lavar. No matter how much money they have, it seems Brady and Kraft have a legitimate personal relationship and Mr. Kraft is more than a captilistic robot.
Pats r done for. Start all over. Perhaps we won't see the pats in the SB in decades. 🤣 Cam is actually good so I give them that edge but still not good enough. Cam is going to need some weapons. Tom didn't have weapons like other teams. Tom played with 5ft 9 - 5ft 10 receivers (Rex, Danny, Juilan) and still won SBs. Most teams have receivers at least 6ft 2, 6ft 5 and still can't do anything. 🤣 Tom is just amazingly special.
What numbers support stitam they had to take him out of a blowout cause he wasn’t doing well. Tom Brady has been built around unlike that last season of the pats. Also craft wasn’t mr next man up when he shipped jimmy G off for Brady and you want us to believe he is over Brady for stitom
Kraft has not moved on from Tom Brady. He would not have mentioned it in his donation speech. It's very hard to move on from a relationship they have had for 20 years! Only a cold hearted person could do that, like "Bill Belechick".
First Where is Whitlock? Second.....Tom Brady has a bad season with the Buc's then yes....Robert Kraft will look over Tom Brady....if Brady has a better season than New England then no definitely not.....New England should have a better season....I mean new team, new system, new coach....everything is against Brady........compared to New England.....QB knows the system....same coach....they should perform better...
Brady is the 🐐 dont be haters now. Brady doesn't have to prove nothing... debate over.. haters.... greatest of all time. Be happy that you got to see him play.... so many haters in the world.
GET THIS SHOW OFF THE AIR. YOU HAD A CHANCE WITH WHITLOCK TO BE A REAL TALK SHOW. NOW UR NOTHING BUT PANDERING TO WOKE MEDIA. DEF TAKING IT OFF DVR. Never watching this show again
I say this show has 6 months Max before it gets canceled... Should have never got rid of Whitlock
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I just read today an interview with whitlock about leaving.
I really thought he took a holiday or something.
I was looking forward to him coming back.
Now I just unsubbed.
The shows been mediocre af without him.
I didnt always agree at all with whitlock.
But he challenged the bs Marcellus shovels often along with other guests.
I give this end of summer and its gone unless somehow the quality goes way up.
Needless to say I wont be watching anymore.
Wiley just isn't a real host. He reads from the teleprompter and makes it more obvious than Joe "I have dementia" Biden. He's horrible at this. Whitlock made the show because he's a devil's advocate. The show doesn't work when everyone goes along with what Wiley thinks.
This show doesn’t need Jason at all it will be just fine
Patriots WR's led the league in dropped passes and more than half Tom's ints were off his guys hands come on guys it's obviously not Tom Brady declining
Kraft will feel Brady's loss when ticket sales plummet and TV ratings drop and his profits go down like a bad stock 🤣😂🤔🤗 # Facts of losing a GOAT
I think it's 100% normal to miss someone & have trouble moving on with someone you've been with for 20 years. Why is this even a discussion.
Let's see if patriots are in the playoffs and what brady does with some support this year.
Glad to see your diverse group here.
As long as they are all honest and thinking clearly, with various opinions, I have no problem with the grouping. It is what it is. It will change with time too, as all things do.
@@zeppelinmexicano You know as well as I do that a all white show would be called out as lacking diversity.
Man, all those people who trashed Witlock miss him right now. He made this show go. It does not have the luster it one had.
Wit is a polished guy at that role, but these guys deserve some time. Marcelus is going to be fine if he gets his reps. They are really good commentators, but as far as filling Wit's shoes, that is easier said than done. Not overnight, not immediately, but in time I think it can happen.
Brady's numbers were down but he also had the 32nd ranked receiving group in the NFL. Worst group in getting separation and making contested catches and one of the worst in drops. I think they also lead the league in reciever mistakes. They also had the worst TE group in the league and half the starting line was injured.
The fact that he didn't turn into Rivers is outstanding given all of the disfunction. The fact that his numbers were down is not indicative big his play.
Bring back Shitlock
Of course he is his Glory days are gone while Brady's glory days just got refueled with the talent Tampa has
This is an error in judgement by Bill Belichick to let Brady get away. If belichick cares about his legasy, if he wants to write his memoirs some day and sell a few books then he should have stuck with Brady. Belichick said in an interview a few years ago that he would not be coaching in his 70's but yet he is 67 now, maybe he changed his mind and now wants to keep on coaching. Can he develop a new young QB in the couple years he has before he retires? It probably will be trial and error with a couple young QBs that will take several seasons. He could have just given Brady everything he needed for the last couple seasons, then Belichick could have coasted to the end and retired when Brady did with his legasy intact. Instead Belichick trades rock solid receivers from Brady's trusted core like Amendola and Hogan. Edelmen and Amendola were very close, there is something to be said for the emotional tie of close knit team members that makes the passing game click which goes beyond how it looks on paper. Does anyone think Edelmen will try as hard now that his mentor is departed? Does anyone really believe the Patriots will still be able to get players to accept pay checks for anything less than market value?
Belichick is a tuff old bird, so if he wants to coach until he is about 75 then great, he might have time to build another dynesty, it could be very interesting, I give him all the credit for his ambitious, never say quit attitude. But if he retires in a few years then he just should have rode it out with Brady.
People say it's a business decision but from a purely business point of view, the stadium was always full, season tickets had a 10+ year wait list and the Brady jerseys were still a top seller, as profitable NFL francises go it's at the top, the optimistic fans were still interested to see if Brady could win #7, But now it's likely attendance and sales will drop off, if the pats don't have a winning season then it could drop significantly. Does anyone think the New England fans wanted to see Brady leave? This is a business that depends on keeping the fans interested. New England fans are spoiled and have high expectations. The pressure is now on Belichick, if he doesn't have a winning season, at least 10 and 6, then his stock will drop like a rock. This is especially true if TB has a better season. I remember going to few Patriots games in the 90's before Brady, we would go down to find empty seats in a front row at the 50 yard line in the third quarter to get a good look at the cheer leaders.
Belichick has had other errors in judgement. Many people think that benching Malcom Butler during SB 54 could have cost the win. Just a couple of plays would have made the difference. And back during SB XLVI(46) Randy Moss was available and "hinting" in public that he wanted to come back to the Patriots, Brady needed a goto receiver with Gronk hurt, but Belichick refused to bring Moss back late in the season when it was clear someone like him was needed. Brady and Moss had a special chemistry. I remember the last few plays of that Superbowl when Gronk was gimping around tripple teamed, it was a bad desperation strategy that could have been avoided.
Not to say anyone else would have done a better job, Belichick is still one of the greatest coaches. No one is perfect.
Takeo sounds just like isiah thomas back in the day
Ask Gisele how Tom's body is. :)
Sounds to me like spikes still mad that he got cut by New England they need to realize that Robert Kraft never wanted Tom Brady gone oh, this was straight up a Bill Belichick move, bilichek wanted Brady gone when Jimmy Garoppolo was there, everybody knows that, Robert Kraft has said on numerous occasions that he would have preferred Bill Belichick keep Tom Brady around but he said that he does not get involved in the football operations, when it comes to what's happening on the field Bill Belichick has the final say. I think this season is going to be a real wake-up call for him because Bill Belichick has been reading his press clippings too much, he's a great coach yes but he's a great coach when he's had the right players, people seem to forget that Bill Belichick before Tom Brady come to New England had a losing record as a head coach oh, he couldn't win in Cleveland with Bernie Kosar and Vinny Testaverde oh, he couldn't get along with the All-Pro quarterback like Drew Bledsoe oh, it wasn't until Tom Brady become his starter that Bill Belichick become recognized as one of the best coaches in football, and I'm sorry to say it but New England is going to have a down season this year, Jarrett Stidham is no Tom Brady, and as for a rookie quarterback they literally have him nothing to throw to as far as wide receivers, and I guarantee you if he had his choice Julian Edelman would be in Tampa Bay right now with Tom and Gronk.. Bill Belichick might get the last laugh in the long run but I think for the next couple of Seasons Tom Brady is going to be the one smiling, because spikes put out that his passing numbers and yardage was down last season, name me who he was throwing the football to? He threw throw for 4000 yards with no wide receivers oh, now he's going to attend this absolutely stacked on offense
I agree with Lavar. No matter how much money they have, it seems Brady and Kraft have a legitimate personal relationship and Mr. Kraft is more than a captilistic robot.
Pats r done for. Start all over. Perhaps we won't see the pats in the SB in decades. 🤣
Cam is actually good so I give them that edge but still not good enough. Cam is going to need some weapons. Tom didn't have weapons like other teams. Tom played with 5ft 9 - 5ft 10 receivers (Rex, Danny, Juilan) and still won SBs. Most teams have receivers at least 6ft 2, 6ft 5 and still can't do anything. 🤣
Tom is just amazingly special.
I agree with Arrington
Hard to take any of these guys seriously after being so wrong about Brady.
I thought I was over my ex 3 years ago and then I found out she got married.... I wasn't as over as I thought I was
With ab brady year would been 2017 and might stayed
Tom's declining numbers have nothing to do with a lack of cohesive talent at WR? Or Oline injuries? No? Maybe? Possibly?
What numbers support stitam they had to take him out of a blowout cause he wasn’t doing well. Tom Brady has been built around unlike that last season of the pats. Also craft wasn’t mr next man up when he shipped jimmy G off for Brady and you want us to believe he is over Brady for stitom
Kraft has not moved on from Tom Brady. He would not have mentioned it in his donation speech. It's very hard to move on from a relationship they have had for 20 years! Only a cold hearted person could do that, like "Bill Belechick".
@RockerSince 1983 I'm with you!!
That sweat shirt is hella fly Lavar 🙌
LaVar , barbershops 💈 are opening again. Do the right thing ✂️ bro
LaVar Arrington and Marcellus Wiley are great. But this show without Whitlock is going to be like that other show without Chris Carter - irrelevant.
So we just gon ignore the ppl he was throwing 2? Edelman with most drops in league???
Yeah they just gonna leave that little fact out....
Where’s Mr. Whitlock?
He's gone. They didn't renew his contract. To be more accurate they didnt offer a raise with his new contract and he declined to sign
CAM IS READY
Whose here after Brady won his 7th ring. More than any franchise
This show is definitely not the same without Whitlock!
I miss Whitlock where did he go?
Lack of receivers?
Everybody knows Jarrett stidham is going to be that guy ?
Oh and while we at it I could only imagine if JEFF BLAKE HAD SAME EVERYTHING BRADY HAD ALONG THE WAY🤔HOW BOUT CHARLIE BATCH🤔
Lavar is right
Took em how long to REALIZE OH WOW RANDEL CUNNINGHAM IS A GOOD QB🤔
Steve McNair 🤷♂️
First Where is Whitlock? Second.....Tom Brady has a bad season with the Buc's then yes....Robert Kraft will look over Tom Brady....if Brady has a better season than New England then no definitely not.....New England should have a better season....I mean new team, new system, new coach....everything is against Brady........compared to New England.....QB knows the system....same coach....they should perform better...
Sound like the guy on the Far right is not over Tom Brady lol ! ...
Can anyone please explain TUCK RULE🤔 and it was snowing
Maaaan.... I was hoping Chris Broussard would come back as the new host...
the show is still cool
We need Emmanuel Acho to takeover!
Assure me that my youtube channel won't be manipulated in any way , shape or form and I'm good . 🙏👤
Spikes gtfoh
New England needs to quit messing around and sign Cam Newton to a 2 year deal
Kenneth Barnes Stidham is the future. Trust me!
Tom Brady to Tampa Bay is overrated and overhyped.
Spoken like a jealous fan...
Brady is the 🐐 dont be haters now. Brady doesn't have to prove nothing... debate over.. haters.... greatest of all time. Be happy that you got to see him play.... so many haters in the world.
Jealous much?? 😂😂
@@RafaelRodriguez-wj6md i think very lol.
In 9 Super Bowls has Brady ever got hit once as hard as cam newton got hit repeatedly🤔🤔🤔YOU KNOW MVP CAM NEWTON🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
Kraft was already in dem streets, getting happy endings! Lol
GET THIS SHOW OFF THE AIR. YOU HAD A CHANCE WITH WHITLOCK TO BE A REAL TALK SHOW. NOW UR NOTHING BUT PANDERING TO WOKE MEDIA. DEF TAKING IT OFF DVR. Never watching this show again
Lavar is right