NA Goat yeah he definitely is but just the Goat if were just basing this out of achievement then Dev1ce is the guy CSGO's Goat debate is basically S1mple's insane talent and sheer dominance vs Dev1ce's unmatched consistency and stacked trophy cabinet.
GOAT is based off of individual performance, not team achievements. Following your logic, gla1ve is more deserving of GOAT since he has more major wins than s1mple. Individually, s1mple wins against device in everything except for consistently (even that depends if you include device's year long hiatus).
i'll always take individual talent over trophy cabinet, sure trophies are needed to solidify your greatness, but to be above everyone else in the game is a much harder task. Example broky already has a more stacked trophy cabinet than Zywoo, but who in the right state of mind would put these players even close to each other in conversation for one of the best players cs go has seen
He’s absolutely the NA GOAT at this point but to be THE GOAT he’d need a couple more major wins and/or a couple HLTV #1 awards. I don’t think he’ll ever be the GOAT but he’s only 23 so he could still end up like a top 10-20 player ever
@@rimux8898 I personally do too, he’s one of my favorite players as well. I just mean by the end of his career I don’t think there will be a debate whether he is or not
@@megakurtev1139you don't need someone's permission? And the last person anyone would need permission from is you LMAO, who gave u permission? Oh wait no one. Go be cringe somewhere else kid
Twistzz is one of the most underrated player imo. it's because he can do it all, entry, lurk, support, clutch etc so people don't categorize him properly as an entry or lurk. His important/impact for the team is so big yet he doesn't even get nominated for MVP cause faze has broky and ropz
they put twistzz on support because, twistzz is the most flexible player of all time. If karrigan starts to play him as a STAR, he would be top 5 every year
He is super humble. I had a brief interaction with him and I asked him how I could improve from MGE. He told me “Just keep a good attitude and grind and you could end up where I am”
Rookie is debatable. Zywoo was better imo. Just didn't have a good team around him like b1t did. Also, b1t seriously struggled to begin with. It took a long time to embed him properly whereas zywoo was hot off the gates when he joined vitality.
@@tarantulatar1410 the goat stands for all time not just the current liquid LUL so what does them stuggling atm have anything to do with other na players whove played?
In terms of NA Talent? Head and shoulders above anyone else in NA's history. He is absolutely NA's CS:GOat. In terms of accolades, Stewie2k was really his only competition, being the only other person with a Major and a Grand Slam. In terms of worldwide talent? I'd say it puts him pretty high. I'd probably put him above guys like Niko and Zywoo, who are considered "superstar talents" that just don't have the accolades. It's hard to say where he'd rank amongst guys like GeT_RiGhT, Olof, and obviously S1mple, but he's probably staked his claim for a spot in the Top 10 CS:GO Players of all time.
Absolutely insane. Stewie was never even a top 20 player. NAF, Elige and Twistzz are the only legitimate answers to this question, and Elige's individual peak is higher than any player from NA in history.
The thing is Elige has always played the star player role while Twistzz has played a lot of different roles but almost never in the star player role. That's partially the reason people underappreciate Twistzz.
I remember their run in 2019 clearly. Elige still doesn’t have a major nor another grand slam and skillwise (not by “hltv rating” but true fundamental skill) Twistzz is the superior player
@@sh1ro9right, no player on Twistzz’s level is or was as selfless. His rating would definitely enjoy if he was an egotist or selfish (like some certain players). He had a star role in 2021 and he was averaging 1.3 ratings while next mvp broky was like 1.1
HLTV top player list is a stat padding competition. Twist ability to get intergrated into two very different teams and get RESULTS with both of them, is truly impressive and cannot be captured by HLTV stats.
George Zakusilo Twistzz has won this 2IGS with Prime Liquid and Prime FaZe. Its team achievement not indiviual. Also FaZe have 4 star player and goat IGL. Him isn't even bestplayer in his team he is more like 3rd or 4th.
You say that like he was integrated into tier 2 teams and brought them up simply by his presence. He was literally in two superteams with teammates at their peaks, not to mention the latter of the two teams having four stars and one of the greatest Igl's the game's seen.
Twistzz, even by the eye test has never been the best player on his IGS team for more than a tournament at most, he certainly has been impactful in every team, but he was surrounded by talent in both of his teams during their IGS run.
@@sh1ro9 i dont like shroud but im not hate him either but are u new to CS? If u dont then clearly u dont know shit if think shroud "wasn't good enough" for t1 with his talent, hes literally one of the best talent that coming out of NA among with swag, Hiko, Twistzz, EliGE, NAF, ska, stewie, n0thing, tarik, Brehze only a fool would disagree with me.
Best player to touch csgo: s1mple Most achieved player: dev1ce Best NA player: Twistzzz Best rookie: ZywOo Best roster of all Time: Prime Astralis (2018-covid)
You should consider getting polarised glass for your picture frames. It would reduce the reflective glare in the back of the video. Great Video though. Twistzz is a beast.
I was seriously suggesting it for a bit. His head shot % aim and reflexes are so very sharp and clean. And he had solid consistency. What simple has though is a godlike 3rd eye game sense that borderlines clairvoyance with awesome aim as well. When that is not working he has some pretty bad rounds but when that is working he is ALWAYS aware and ready. Then bit came to navi, and I want to see bit and twist going at it. Bit is like twist aim and sometimes he has the 3rd eye going too. I honestly think bit can be the best of them all as that awareness gets better.
Before Twistzz can be mentioned in the GOAT discussion, I think he needs to stay constantly in top 5 of the annual HLTV player rankings consistently. Until then, he is just a good team member who is in the right place and in the right time.
I’m not a ring counter, but I will say this: in a team sport, greatness can be evaluated based on one individual’s output, which is easier to measure, as well as on the team’s output. For example, who’s the better player, the one who gets a 4K in a losing round, or the IGL who sets up a crucial trade promoting his opponents to call for a save? It’s not sexy, but the second player helped his team more. We can fawn over s1mple and kennyS’s mechanical nastiness all day long, but I’d rather build a team around gla1ve or dev1ce.
Forget about the GOAT conversation, his the only player in the world to win 2 grand slams. Thats a big deal itself considering how hard it is just to get one. Very impressive!
zero players still. Depending on what events you count (including dreamhack events since 2012 with the ESL and IEM events) only Fnatic and NiP would also have one slam. Though only going by ESL and IEM events I think Fnatic still gets one.
I absolutely fucking love it, twistzz is my favourite player since his early misfits days and i am so happy twistzz is getting the attention he deserves
Tarik I guess hes lead multiple na teams to success and went up against the stacked faze team at Boston to win a major for a full na team while getting the mvp and looking at teams he left none of them were the same after he left also we cant forget stewie who helped the Twistzz liquid team start winning and was part of the grand slam team that caused the rule change while he also had a major before Twistzz
@@knightsky4438 but Tarik and Stewie went from winning major to being mid, their major run was a fluke. Twistzz is better player with better trophy case
@@uresfffff222 ur delusional if u think elige is/was better than Twistzz. Twistzz's raw aim and mechanical ability is only topped by a robot called Ropz no one else
@@bizarro4587 Mid after the major is tarik leading eg to the only success they had since the 2010 LUL 1 2nd place finish against Twistzz liquid and 4 1st place finishes 1 against his liquid and 1 at new york against astralis who were easily the best team in the world sure dude overall Twistzz is the better player but skill isn't the only way to judge players especially when thats not who tarik was and just look at the teams tarik left like c9, clg and eg those teams lost and have become irrelevant until c9 picked up gambit while Twistzz left a grand slam team to join an even better team that he didnt lead to the major since that was more broky and rain
As a guy from NA, Dmitri earns the right to get bullied until Liquid actually stops being Liquid by not getting knocked out by big or small name teams in major tourneys consistently.
Bruh... He complains about how hard it is being an average liquid/NA CS Fan, and I (a german CS and BIG Clan enthusiast) was like "you don't even know, man"
The CSGO Goat debate is like Lebron vs Jordan vs Kobe. Lebron is the most insane talent, S1mple. Jordan is the most consistent and stacked trophy cabinet (yes Bill Russell has more rings I know, stfu), Dev1ce. Kobe is the fringe guy, where he was phenomenal and has plenty of hardware, but not as dominant as Lebron, and not as loaded as Jordan. Twistzz, Zywoo, Olof, etc.
It's hard to really hard to determine who's the greatest of all time. If we are talking about raw skill and talent then it's simple no doubt, but if it's about the trophies then the Astralis boys. While Twistzz is an amazing player with great individual skill, his success also comes from the fact that he has a great team and he's working with said team. Like I said, S1mple and Zyzoo are crazy player but they can't do anything with 4 bots on their back. However, Twistzz currently is surely the GOAT of NA
Twistz is imo the best aimers/rifler in CSGO, his aim is just so crisp and locks on heads, even the new upcoming AI cheat detection systems thinks he's cheating
I think the title GOAT itself is debatable. Each of everyone of us has different standards on considering someone as Goat. Outside of CS, Tekken's Goat is Knee. Dominating the scene since way way back and competitively good up until now.
Ofc he's the NA goat, that isn't even a question. He's very accomplished, super consistent, flexible, DANGEROUS as fuck, and also a superb team player. He's got no weakness. If I wanted to make a dream team, he'd definitely be on it.
He might be support player but he isn't fully support he is more like star player.(Entry lurker IMO) He isn't great support player like Perfecto and jks and NAF)
@@liamuttt how can you be the greatest while only being a top 10 player? He has never been the best or close to the best player during his entire career. He is nowhere close to being the greatest. His throphy cabinet is second to astralis also.
One of the most decorated if not the most decorated, yes. Depending on what wins you count ofc. But being the most decorated doesn't magically make you the GOAT of a sport. However, NA GOAT? No question about that!
him and elige are neck and neck. elige has been competing against tier 1 opposition for a very long time and still has a good rating as a NA player and is the main reason liquid are consistently top 10 in world. twistzz is the most achieved NA player so far, but now that cs2 is around the corner twistzz can easily be the most achieved NA CS:GO player of all time. and yes "recency bias" come at me.
If they win paris and twistzz nets another MVP then the potential to argue he's the goat is there, imo. He's always been incredibly consistent and sacrificed his style of play for the success of his teams. Willingly playing some of the worst spots on the map on CT side, baiting for his teams success on T, he can do literally anything and everything. I'm not sure I'd take any single player over twistzz in history, except for S1mple and Dev1ce.
@@travisb1o0m19 Yea lol TEAMS win trophies, individual skill is another story. S1mple is stuck in a Navi that is limited to Russian players so he has to carry. twistzz has a stacked faze squad.
Twistzz is my favourite player and definitely a top 7 all time player...but THE GOAT OF CGSO has to be Dev1ce..look at his trophy cabinet, look at his plays..no one comes even close to my CS Tom cruise. Love Dev1ce
tbh s1mple isnt the #1 it´s twistzz for sure he came from a weak region and beat everyone on his way to the top. he achieved everything in the most difficult and competitive times! Dev1ce did win more majors but that´s a different time. Twistzz is no matter what the #1 CSGO player right now and right now is the last CSGO time EVER so he is the BEST EVER. He is peak CSGO.
GOAT level is about individual just like messi cr7 and s1mple from csgo , if it's about the IGS title there is a team that contributes a lot not only twitszzz
S1mple is stuck in a Navi that is limited to Russian players so he has to carry. twistzz has a stacked faze squad. Put S1mple in Faze and they’d win everything. True goat.
Twistzz is one of the best riflers ever, that's ehy he got nickname the magican. But i don't think so that he is the GOAT. Maybe in NA, but Europe is something else(devve, gla1ve, s1mple, NiKo, Zywoo...). There are so many names to chose from
NA goat for sure, and he's definitely got more to his name than Niko at this point too so I'd say he is the GOAT of riflers. But s1mple having 20+ mpvs and ALL of his other accolades and numbers puts him as the best by a large margin
He set records with the grand Slam, yes. Is he the NA GOAT? Probably. Overall GOAT? Nah... Seems we forgot about S1mple, Zywoo, Niko and prolly some more...
One of the greats in the game? Yes. Na's Goat? Yes. But THE Goat? I mean its simple really, theres only one player that status belongs to. And thats birdfromsky. S1mple might be a close 2nd tho
Only goat for NA, but it is still debatable because of elige. Elige is smarter in play style, also has insane mechanical skill, and won big trophies and mvps arguably with less assistance from teammates (karrigan is definitely a better igl than nitro and broky is a better awper than stewie and naf). For the time being the goat for csgo is either dev1ce or s1mple, goat for 1.6 is between neo or markeloff, THE GOAT of the cs franchise is get right. To be a goat you have to at least be the best player at a certain point in time in one version of cs or the second or third best player with an insane amount of championship and mvp to make up for it. Twistzz is none of the above.
Bruh at 23-22 a lot of players had 2-3-4 majors the core of the Danes for example lmao that being weird this dudes on a stacked team if he wasn’t there and someone else was they would still dominate
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NA Goat yeah he definitely is but just the Goat if were just basing this out of achievement then Dev1ce is the guy CSGO's Goat debate is basically S1mple's insane talent and sheer dominance vs Dev1ce's unmatched consistency and stacked trophy cabinet.
But where's Device now? He haven't won shit since he left Astralis.
@@zeroelle1129 he's on astralis and they look pretty good since reassembling the core 3
GOAT is based off of individual performance, not team achievements. Following your logic, gla1ve is more deserving of GOAT since he has more major wins than s1mple. Individually, s1mple wins against device in everything except for consistently (even that depends if you include device's year long hiatus).
@@bingo4283 Ha. Pretty good? They didnt made it on the playoffs of EPL
i'll always take individual talent over trophy cabinet, sure trophies are needed to solidify your greatness, but to be above everyone else in the game is a much harder task. Example broky already has a more stacked trophy cabinet than Zywoo, but who in the right state of mind would put these players even close to each other in conversation for one of the best players cs go has seen
He’s absolutely the NA GOAT at this point but to be THE GOAT he’d need a couple more major wins and/or a couple HLTV #1 awards. I don’t think he’ll ever be the GOAT but he’s only 23 so he could still end up like a top 10-20 player ever
I believe he is already a top 20 all time cs go player
@@rimux8898 I personally do too, he’s one of my favorite players as well. I just mean by the end of his career I don’t think there will be a debate whether he is or not
@@tiers8077 even stewie is a better candidate and he can’t compete in br/eu
he is too selfless player to be the goat, he gotta bait a little and use teammates like decoy.
Elige Is the only NA GOAT
I have seen very few players step up to the next level in the hardest situations. Twistzz does it consistently
I dont think someone gave u permisioin to gave ut opinion
@@megakurtev1139you don't need someone's permission? And the last person anyone would need permission from is you LMAO, who gave u permission? Oh wait no one. Go be cringe somewhere else kid
completely agree havent yet seen a final where he doesnt perform
hahahahahahahah
Twistzz is one of the most underrated player imo. it's because he can do it all, entry, lurk, support, clutch etc so people don't categorize him properly as an entry or lurk.
His important/impact for the team is so big yet he doesn't even get nominated for MVP cause faze has broky and ropz
they put twistzz on support because, twistzz is the most flexible player of all time. If karrigan starts to play him as a STAR, he would be top 5 every year
You gotta be joking if you think Twistzz is underrated.
He was never underrated everybody knows that him is insane.
he is star player idiot.
FaZe has 4star player.
@@asbjornnjal4786 learn to read and learn some manners
Underrated by who?
Every igl want to have twitzz in their team.
Time for a the story of twistzz remake.... just when you thought that first vid from 3 years ago couldnt get crazier lolol
Met him last year at the Blast, super nice and humble guy
He is super humble. I had a brief interaction with him and I asked him how I could improve from MGE. He told me “Just keep a good attitude and grind and you could end up where I am”
Man as soon as ropz joined I called they'd win a major, they exceeded my expectations by a landslide.
Best player to touch csgo: simple
Most achieved player: device
Best NA player: Twistzz
Best rookie: bit
Best roster of all Time: Prime Astralis
Rookie is debatable. Zywoo was better imo. Just didn't have a good team around him like b1t did. Also, b1t seriously struggled to begin with. It took a long time to embed him properly whereas zywoo was hot off the gates when he joined vitality.
@@Lo33y_ zywhoo???
Best IGL: Karrigan
change b1t to zywoo and good list
Zywoo literally became the best player in his rookie year
canadian bias is crazyyyyyy
It's justified IMO, Canadians are underrepresented online. I can play multi-player games for weeks without seeing another Canadian.
aight who do you want to nominate then as NA goat 😂 TL is struggling our only best bet in the NA scene
@@sjgc7 As a Canadian, can confirm. I can count the number of fellow Canadians I meet online on one hand.
@@tarantulatar1410 im waiting for someone saying shroud is the na goat xddd
@@tarantulatar1410 the goat stands for all time not just the current liquid LUL so what does them stuggling atm have anything to do with other na players whove played?
"Real Fun being a liquid FAN" i felt that
His entire reaction to liquid plays is exactly me 😭😭 It's so stressful lmao
In terms of NA Talent? Head and shoulders above anyone else in NA's history. He is absolutely NA's CS:GOat. In terms of accolades, Stewie2k was really his only competition, being the only other person with a Major and a Grand Slam. In terms of worldwide talent? I'd say it puts him pretty high. I'd probably put him above guys like Niko and Zywoo, who are considered "superstar talents" that just don't have the accolades. It's hard to say where he'd rank amongst guys like GeT_RiGhT, Olof, and obviously S1mple, but he's probably staked his claim for a spot in the Top 10 CS:GO Players of all time.
Did this guy just put Twistzz above Zywoo and Niko? I want a piece of whatever you're smoking 🥶
@AkaTosH2k he clearly said in terms of "Worldwide talents"
Absolutely insane. Stewie was never even a top 20 player. NAF, Elige and Twistzz are the only legitimate answers to this question, and Elige's individual peak is higher than any player from NA in history.
i think twistzz already surpassed legends like olof f0rest and get_right
@@jethrobarruga5001 HAHAAHAHHAHAHAAHAHHAAHHAHSHSGSHSHSHSHSHSHSH😊
NA Goat, 10000%. Cemented it.
Delusional.
@@ZzzBigUp ?
@@ZzzBigUp hes won more than basically any other na player
@@ZzzBigUp who is it then? Shroud? 🤡
commented on the wrong one person 😂 nah ur correct
There is a strong case for Elige but people forget how dominant he was bc recency bias. Either way they are easily the 2 NA goats
The thing is Elige has always played the star player role while Twistzz has played a lot of different roles but almost never in the star player role. That's partially the reason people underappreciate Twistzz.
Elige? No, never seen him as goat potential. Just No. Even before when I was a Liquid fan
I remember their run in 2019 clearly. Elige still doesn’t have a major nor another grand slam and skillwise (not by “hltv rating” but true fundamental skill) Twistzz is the superior player
@@sh1ro9right, no player on Twistzz’s level is or was as selfless. His rating would definitely enjoy if he was an egotist or selfish (like some certain players). He had a star role in 2021 and he was averaging 1.3 ratings while next mvp broky was like 1.1
@@bidoro_12 lol hltv #4. are you new?
HLTV top player list is a stat padding competition. Twist ability to get intergrated into two very different teams and get RESULTS with both of them, is truly impressive and cannot be captured by HLTV stats.
oh yeah every time with insane team, while s1mple had shit team for years before 2020, and zywoo still carrying 4 bots since 2019
you forgot twistzzz not alone there is team contributes a lot just like astralis with 4 major because all player good not only 1 player
George Zakusilo Twistzz has won this 2IGS with Prime Liquid and Prime FaZe.
Its team achievement not indiviual.
Also FaZe have 4 star player and goat IGL.
Him isn't even bestplayer in his team he is more like 3rd or 4th.
You say that like he was integrated into tier 2 teams and brought them up simply by his presence. He was literally in two superteams with teammates at their peaks, not to mention the latter of the two teams having four stars and one of the greatest Igl's the game's seen.
Twistzz, even by the eye test has never been the best player on his IGS team for more than a tournament at most, he certainly has been impactful in every team, but he was surrounded by talent in both of his teams during their IGS run.
I love that he says that he put the grand slam at the front of his mind. True champion mentality
imagine twistzz playing the star role
Where can I watch your reaction to the matches? 02:30
If there's a 3 GOAT conversation (IGL, AWP, Rifler) I know he's the one of them
Why is Zywoo even in the thumbnail? Yes, he’s great. But he hasn’t done enough to be even considered in the conversation.
Twistzz is what shroud would have been had he given a shit about being the best at CS.
yeah it really felt like he didnt try during the latter half of his cs career
@@jojivlogs_4255 thats because he didnt, he gave up and streamed pubg instead
Sorry to break it to you but shroud couldn't even lick EU t2 pros' boots. He wasn't just good enough, period.
@@sh1ro9 i dont like shroud but im not hate him either but are u new to CS? If u dont then clearly u dont know shit if think shroud "wasn't good enough" for t1 with his talent, hes literally one of the best talent that coming out of NA among with swag, Hiko, Twistzz, EliGE, NAF, ska, stewie, n0thing, tarik, Brehze only a fool would disagree with me.
nah, shrood was always mid af
I feel like him even being in the conversation is an NA bias thing
Best player to touch csgo: s1mple
Most achieved player: dev1ce
Best NA player: Twistzzz
Best rookie: ZywOo
Best roster of all Time: Prime Astralis (2018-covid)
You should consider getting polarised glass for your picture frames. It would reduce the reflective glare in the back of the video. Great Video though. Twistzz is a beast.
Final major will tell us
Twistzz is like a Hazard, he's never been a prominent all time force
mo'trophies dont make you automagically mo'better
Bro the flick accuaracy tf
I think twistzz is to rifle what devve is to awp. Crisp, clean, clinical and consistent.
s1mple, zywoo, device, olof/cold, fallen/twistz my order
I was seriously suggesting it for a bit. His head shot % aim and reflexes are so very sharp and clean. And he had solid consistency. What simple has though is a godlike 3rd eye game sense that borderlines clairvoyance with awesome aim as well. When that is not working he has some pretty bad rounds but when that is working he is ALWAYS aware and ready. Then bit came to navi, and I want to see bit and twist going at it. Bit is like twist aim and sometimes he has the 3rd eye going too. I honestly think bit can be the best of them all as that awareness gets better.
Before Twistzz can be mentioned in the GOAT discussion, I think he needs to stay constantly in top 5 of the annual HLTV player rankings consistently. Until then, he is just a good team member who is in the right place and in the right time.
Yes yes he has great teammates.
He’s literally the only person with 2 grand slams…
NA’s GOAT by far, and he’s in the top 10 of all time but I don’t think he’s a contender for the greatest.
I’m not a ring counter, but I will say this: in a team sport, greatness can be evaluated based on one individual’s output, which is easier to measure, as well as on the team’s output.
For example, who’s the better player, the one who gets a 4K in a losing round, or the IGL who sets up a crucial trade promoting his opponents to call for a save? It’s not sexy, but the second player helped his team more.
We can fawn over s1mple and kennyS’s mechanical nastiness all day long, but I’d rather build a team around gla1ve or dev1ce.
Forget about the GOAT conversation, his the only player in the world to win 2 grand slams. Thats a big deal itself considering how hard it is just to get one. Very impressive!
If the slam had existed for as long as CS GO, how many players would have more than one slam?
zero players still. Depending on what events you count (including dreamhack events since 2012 with the ESL and IEM events) only Fnatic and NiP would also have one slam. Though only going by ESL and IEM events I think Fnatic still gets one.
only maybe fnatic and nip
If we're talking entire lifespan, Definitely 2013 NiP and 2015 Fnatic and 2016 Luminosity.
@@jubomalseeco3117 luminosity is a crazy reach
@@YungListon depends if grand slam follows the org or players. if you include sk, they won 8 s-tier events between 2016-2017
you guys should attend major events for csgo and other games to get raw interview footage at straight from the pros
Like actual journalists? Ha! What a funny joke.
I swear they make the same video over and over again just focusing on a different team/pro.
Twistzz is the Greatest NA player ever. But with that being said he is also without a doubt one of the greatest CSGO players. Definitely top 20 ever.
I absolutely fucking love it, twistzz is my favourite player since his early misfits days and i am so happy twistzz is getting the attention he deserves
The only question to justify his status as NA GOAT is:
"If not him, then who?"
Tarik I guess hes lead multiple na teams to success and went up against the stacked faze team at Boston to win a major for a full na team while getting the mvp and looking at teams he left none of them were the same after he left also we cant forget stewie who helped the Twistzz liquid team start winning and was part of the grand slam team that caused the rule change while he also had a major before Twistzz
@@knightsky4438 but Tarik and Stewie went from winning major to being mid, their major run was a fluke. Twistzz is better player with better trophy case
elige in terms of individual performance
@@uresfffff222 ur delusional if u think elige is/was better than Twistzz. Twistzz's raw aim and mechanical ability is only topped by a robot called Ropz no one else
@@bizarro4587 Mid after the major is tarik leading eg to the only success they had since the 2010 LUL 1 2nd place finish against Twistzz liquid and 4 1st place finishes 1 against his liquid and 1 at new york against astralis who were easily the best team in the world sure dude overall Twistzz is the better player but skill isn't the only way to judge players especially when thats not who tarik was and just look at the teams tarik left like c9, clg and eg those teams lost and have become irrelevant until c9 picked up gambit while Twistzz left a grand slam team to join an even better team that he didnt lead to the major since that was more broky and rain
Twistzz is the Neymar of CSGO
NA GOAT : Twistzz
CSGO GOAT : Dev1ce
CS GOAT : f0rest
lets not forgot that NA is a meme region and the only game they're the best at is a meme game, cod
Oh you bet it pays off. 400k in just grand slam winnings!
Love to see a Canadian on top🙌
As a guy from NA, Dmitri earns the right to get bullied until Liquid actually stops being Liquid by not getting knocked out by big or small name teams in major tourneys consistently.
Bruh... He complains about how hard it is being an average liquid/NA CS Fan, and I (a german CS and BIG Clan enthusiast) was like "you don't even know, man"
The CSGO Goat debate is like Lebron vs Jordan vs Kobe. Lebron is the most insane talent, S1mple. Jordan is the most consistent and stacked trophy cabinet (yes Bill Russell has more rings I know, stfu), Dev1ce. Kobe is the fringe guy, where he was phenomenal and has plenty of hardware, but not as dominant as Lebron, and not as loaded as Jordan. Twistzz, Zywoo, Olof, etc.
It's hard to really hard to determine who's the greatest of all time. If we are talking about raw skill and talent then it's simple no doubt, but if it's about the trophies then the Astralis boys. While Twistzz is an amazing player with great individual skill, his success also comes from the fact that he has a great team and he's working with said team. Like I said, S1mple and Zyzoo are crazy player but they can't do anything with 4 bots on their back. However, Twistzz currently is surely the GOAT of NA
twist has best mechanical aim. while niko has most smooth aim.
The fact that there Are some player better than simple,but still...
Twistz is imo the best aimers/rifler in CSGO, his aim is just so crisp and locks on heads, even the new upcoming AI cheat detection systems thinks he's cheating
Nah niko will always be best in terms of that, even though I don’t like him
Niko is miles a head twizt
Brazil is already here mate, dont tall about our cold
I think the title GOAT itself is debatable. Each of everyone of us has different standards on considering someone as Goat. Outside of CS, Tekken's Goat is Knee. Dominating the scene since way way back and competitively good up until now.
Goat = best individual player. Not team. S1mple is the best player of all time but is limited to a russian navi who he has to 1v9 for
Amm dimitri they won on monday as per my timezone ahm ahm.
Ofc he's the NA goat, that isn't even a question. He's very accomplished, super consistent, flexible, DANGEROUS as fuck, and also a superb team player. He's got no weakness. If I wanted to make a dream team, he'd definitely be on it.
remember guys, he's just a support, and even a bait for the team sometimes
He might be support player but he isn't fully support he is more like star player.(Entry lurker IMO)
He isn't great support player like Perfecto and jks and NAF)
@@asbjornnjal4786 he's not a star rifler, ropz is
If you're only talking about accolades you could honestly make a pretty good case
NA goat for sure, but for all of CS GO? There are lots of competition for that spot and he's far from the only contender.
No no he 100% deserves a spot for one of csgos goats
He’s not that far from it. He is definitely a top 3 rifler right now so ofc he’s gonna be in the convo
yeah, so many others won a major and 2 grand slams while being consistently in the top10 players for their whole career.
Oh wait
@@liamuttt right
@@liamuttt how can you be the greatest while only being a top 10 player? He has never been the best or close to the best player during his entire career. He is nowhere close to being the greatest. His throphy cabinet is second to astralis also.
Yeah broh, in fact it's coldzera and fallen the duo GOAT
One of the most decorated if not the most decorated, yes. Depending on what wins you count ofc. But being the most decorated doesn't magically make you the GOAT of a sport. However, NA GOAT? No question about that!
him and elige are neck and neck. elige has been competing against tier 1 opposition for a very long time and still has a good rating as a NA player and is the main reason liquid are consistently top 10 in world. twistzz is the most achieved NA player so far, but now that cs2 is around the corner twistzz can easily be the most achieved NA CS:GO player of all time. and yes "recency bias" come at me.
If they win paris and twistzz nets another MVP then the potential to argue he's the goat is there, imo. He's always been incredibly consistent and sacrificed his style of play for the success of his teams. Willingly playing some of the worst spots on the map on CT side, baiting for his teams success on T, he can do literally anything and everything. I'm not sure I'd take any single player over twistzz in history, except for S1mple and Dev1ce.
Not looking too good right now 😅
The way he did things? He can be.
i put it in the front of my head. HAHAHA
Twistzz is the NA Goat and on the bottom half of the top 10 csgo players of all time.
Nah
@@travisb1o0m19 Yea lol TEAMS win trophies, individual skill is another story. S1mple is stuck in a Navi that is limited to Russian players so he has to carry. twistzz has a stacked faze squad.
How is no one throwing out the Aussie JKS... He won back to back majors with different teams!
JKS didnt win back to back majors, he won Katowice back to back. Katowice isn't recognized as a major.
JKS won 2 big events in his career and neither are majors so... not even in the conversation lets be real
Twistzz is my favourite player and definitely a top 7 all time player...but THE GOAT OF CGSO has to be Dev1ce..look at his trophy cabinet, look at his plays..no one comes even close to my CS Tom cruise. Love Dev1ce
Advice: You camera is too close to your face
I'd say he might be the goat rifler. Doing it at the top level on 2 different teams.
he doesnt come even have mile close to the goat, but he is definetly top 5 in NA
He peaked at #9 and hasn’t won a single mvp in the multiple events FaZe has won. He is not, nor will he ever be the goat.
interms of individual peak its Elige guy was a monster up until 2019 4th best player in the world and best rifler
why is this video 9:11 in length 💀
tbh s1mple isnt the #1 it´s twistzz for sure he came from a weak region and beat everyone on his way to the top. he achieved everything in the most difficult and competitive times! Dev1ce did win more majors but that´s a different time. Twistzz is no matter what the #1 CSGO player right now and right now is the last CSGO time EVER so he is the BEST EVER. He is peak CSGO.
Twistzz is prob the only Faze player that I like
2x Grand Slammer forsenCD
why aren't you in the CS2 video?
Good choice Dimitri! We see you!! COLDZERA is the GOAT
GOAT level is about individual just like messi cr7 and s1mple from csgo , if it's about the IGS title there is a team that contributes a lot not only twitszzz
elige is by far the best NA player individually
It’ll always be called CSGO for me.
GOAT? Nah but I think the biggest question is has he surpassed forest?
Yeah but how does this affect Lebron's Legacy?
CS =/= NBA
@@LukeSaward it's a meme you duck
No, Viktor Navorski is the GOAT
S1mple is stuck in a Navi that is limited to Russian players so he has to carry. twistzz has a stacked faze squad. Put S1mple in Faze and they’d win everything. True goat.
dimitri play retakes with me
i would say top2/top3 of all time after sunday
there is only ever one 2 time tho The Saurus
Twistzz is one of the best riflers ever, that's ehy he got nickname the magican. But i don't think so that he is the GOAT. Maybe in NA, but Europe is something else(devve, gla1ve, s1mple, NiKo, Zywoo...). There are so many names to chose from
there is no way this is a debate, if it is then dev1ce is CLEARLY the GOAT
CSGO community has this way to disrespect. That they will always leave him out of the conversation.
S1mple schooled him
ELIGE IS THE BEST NA PLAYER, HE CARRIED NA UNTIL TODAY
Without a doubt he's the NA goat
NA goat for sure, and he's definitely got more to his name than Niko at this point too so I'd say he is the GOAT of riflers. But s1mple having 20+ mpvs and ALL of his other accolades and numbers puts him as the best by a large margin
I'm going to make the argument that if you don't have 1 in your name then you can't be 1 in the game. S1mple and Dev1ce above all.
He set records with the grand Slam, yes. Is he the NA GOAT? Probably. Overall GOAT? Nah... Seems we forgot about S1mple, Zywoo, Niko and prolly some more...
Tbh, he could care less about it. He's on a good team and I think it's all that matters to him.
One of the greats in the game? Yes. Na's Goat? Yes. But THE Goat? I mean its simple really, theres only one player that status belongs to. And thats birdfromsky. S1mple might be a close 2nd tho
Only goat for NA, but it is still debatable because of elige. Elige is smarter in play style, also has insane mechanical skill, and won big trophies and mvps arguably with less assistance from teammates (karrigan is definitely a better igl than nitro and broky is a better awper than stewie and naf). For the time being the goat for csgo is either dev1ce or s1mple, goat for 1.6 is between neo or markeloff, THE GOAT of the cs franchise is get right. To be a goat you have to at least be the best player at a certain point in time in one version of cs or the second or third best player with an insane amount of championship and mvp to make up for it. Twistzz is none of the above.
Bruh at 23-22 a lot of players had 2-3-4 majors the core of the Danes for example lmao that being weird this dudes on a stacked team if he wasn’t there and someone else was they would still dominate