AN Easy Low Cost Method Of Blackening Steel. Rust Protection.

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  • Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
  • In this video I show how I blacken my steel lathe replacement compound blocks using a simple method. This blackening makes the tool blocks look really good and also gives a good rust protective finish.
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  • @SteveJordan
    @SteveJordan  Год назад

    facebook.com/steve.jordan.3766952

  • @wizrom3046
    @wizrom3046 2 года назад +11

    Ive done a similar thing with used engine oil from my vintage harley, totally black oil full of superfine carbon from the combustion processes in the engine.
    If you get the metal hot enough you even get a case hardening of the metal surface from carbon impregnation.
    Cool vid! 👍🙂

  • @stevecallachor
    @stevecallachor 2 года назад +5

    We did this at school in metalwork classes. We used dirty old oil from the teachers old Volkswagen . Looked a treat!!!

    • @Qwerty1235945
      @Qwerty1235945 2 года назад +1

      I developed my love of Engineering at school in Metalwork. We were lucky to have a superb teacher.
      We had access to everything in the 80’s - lathes, mills, oxy acetylene, forge. It was incredible. Sadly none of this in in schools today. :-(

    • @robertwest3093
      @robertwest3093 Год назад +2

      ​@@Qwerty1235945 I feel honored to have gone to school in the 1980s. None of this stuff exists anymore.

    • @SteveJordan
      @SteveJordan  Год назад +1

      Hi Robert, Yes, it was totally different then. I'm pleased to have lived through that time as well. Regards Steve

    • @SergeyPRKL
      @SergeyPRKL Год назад +1

      @@Qwerty1235945 It is like this even here in the Nordics (specifically Finland). In the 80's we had all of this in use, but today there aren't metal tools at all. Basic woodworking is possible but is not allowed to use by the students (Aas we did in the 80's).

  • @stevecallachor
    @stevecallachor 2 года назад +5

    When I was a student gas lighters were forbidden in the workshop. Everyone laughed at the rule until Robbo dropped some welding slag into his shirt pocket. The lighter went off like a firework and Robbo shit himself.
    We all learned a lesson that day!!!!!!
    Stavros

  • @stxrynn
    @stxrynn 2 года назад +2

    We used to call that a blacksmith finish. Seems all the old parts done that way didn't rust much if at all. Good stuff! A refresher is always in order.

  • @MattysWorkshop
    @MattysWorkshop 2 года назад +3

    Works well Steve, thanks for sharing mate, cheers

  • @fredflintstone8048
    @fredflintstone8048 2 года назад +3

    I do the same thing with the exception that I use old used engine oil that I've saved (I keep using the same oil), and I swirl the part around in the oil completely submerged until it's cooled down continuing to expose the part to lower temp oil. I've seldom ever had to repeat the process on the same parts, and I've done all kinds of shapes and types of steel parts. Some hot rolled, some cold rolled, some 12L14, and some drill rod.

  • @TheKnacklersWorkshop
    @TheKnacklersWorkshop 2 года назад +2

    Looks live a very good method Steve... Thank you for showing us...

  • @ypaulbrown
    @ypaulbrown 6 месяцев назад

    wonderful , thank you so much Steve, cheers from the US, Paul

  • @tropifiori
    @tropifiori 2 года назад +5

    In the blacksmith shop I keep a tin with a lump of beeswax and linseed oil mixed about 1:1. It sits on the back of the forge with a cheap bristle brush it. It blackens parts nicely in one or 2 applications. It does smoke and can ignite so I apply it outdoors.

    • @howder1951
      @howder1951 2 года назад

      Yeah, I have seen Black Bear forge finish off his iron work with a coat of beeswax , he claims the heat breaks down the wax into a crude form of varnish, good for looks and rust prevention.

  • @grahamstoppani8177
    @grahamstoppani8177 2 года назад +3

    If you don't have any mucky old engine oil you can use 'lamp black' to make your nice clean oil black and mucky. Works nicely.

  • @grahameblankley3813
    @grahameblankley3813 2 года назад

    I remember when I used do this as an apprentice in 60s works well👍🇬🇧.

  • @tomconner5067
    @tomconner5067 Год назад +2

    Used diesel engine oil works very efficiently. Fewer heat and immersion treatment cycles, very dark finish.

  • @ThanasisThomas
    @ThanasisThomas 2 года назад

    i love your channel :) peace from Greece!!

    • @SteveJordan
      @SteveJordan  2 года назад

      Thanks for watching! Regards Steve

  • @davebenjamin5617
    @davebenjamin5617 Месяц назад

    Would this work with an old cannon barrel or would it compromise the integrity of the peice?

  • @howder1951
    @howder1951 2 года назад +5

    Nice finish Steve, does it alter the hardness/temper of the part? Looks a little like the surface treatment on my start dial indicator set parts, I like it, cheers!

    • @SteveJordan
      @SteveJordan  2 года назад +3

      I only use the method on mild steel or bright mild steel so it won't affect the hardness. It would if it was toolsteel though especially if it has high carbon content. Regards Steve

    • @howder1951
      @howder1951 2 года назад

      Starret indicator parts.

  • @thelastgs-pian9965
    @thelastgs-pian9965 5 месяцев назад

    have you tried this method with boiled linseed oil , do these need to be repeated after every rainy season or do they last for years?

  • @davenicholson3491
    @davenicholson3491 Год назад

    What gas torch was that you used? Was it LPG? I can’t find a torch to link up with my LPG gas bottle, where did you get that 1?
    Cool video, greetings from Australia 🇦🇺

  • @robertstewart1464
    @robertstewart1464 2 года назад +1

    I assume this works in much the same way as seasoning a frying pan? The oil leaves a polymerized coating that will resist moisture ingress

  • @SergeyPRKL
    @SergeyPRKL Год назад

    I knew this is good method, but it is nice to see online because it is so simple you wouldn't believe. I do this in my Ooni Pizza Oven. Just did a trailer hitch attachment in it. Fits barely.

  • @whiteblock8
    @whiteblock8 2 года назад +3

    possibly a good idea to avoid some synthetics

  • @tomherd4179
    @tomherd4179 2 года назад

    I as well use old engine oil for this purpose with good success. Seldom, but sometimes, I am concerned with change in size sue to heating distortion: Only wanted to mention this fact as information.

  • @chrisgoodwill3094
    @chrisgoodwill3094 2 года назад

    Year's ago I saw steel blackening done with wool, you got the steel hot and rubbed it with a bit of old jumper ( pure wool no oil ) burnt wool stuck to the steel

  • @KentRodgman
    @KentRodgman 10 месяцев назад

    Any idea how well this might work for stainless? I've got some small stainless archery weights I'd like to try and blacken

  • @jas20per
    @jas20per Год назад +2

    You will get a far darker black finish if you use old used Diesel motor vehicle engine oil it has lots of suspended fine carbon particles.

    • @tomconner5067
      @tomconner5067 Год назад

      In solution, they’re dissolved, very micro fine particulates, ready to bond to the hot metal!

    • @jas20per
      @jas20per Год назад

      @@tomconner5067 So you are that marvel of a person who can stop breathing in a city or next to a busy road. with all those diesel vehicles, I could go on about other pollution in the air but even I know that there is no person so blind than those who wont see. . Stot trying to be a smart Ass.

  • @peterc4450
    @peterc4450 2 года назад +2

    Hope Graba Funbag hasn't watched this or you'll be on her list 😂. I use this method and must admit I like the smell of that burning oil, not sure about the neighbours, but I have to put up with their BBQs 😂.

    • @beefriendlychannel7965
      @beefriendlychannel7965 Год назад

      Okay. I'll bite.
      What's wrong with the smell of food cooking?
      The people from other countries strictly cook outdoors unless company comes over.

  • @ronbianca1975
    @ronbianca1975 2 года назад

    Good job Steve! Will this work on stainless steel as well?

    • @SteveJordan
      @SteveJordan  2 года назад

      Hi Ron I don't think it will. I only ever use the method on mild steel or bright mild steel. Regards Steve

  • @hanzo52
    @hanzo52 Год назад +2

    Anyone know the chemistry behind this? Looks to be the same as seasoning a cast iron pan. The oil polymerizes and creates a film on the steel.

    • @captainotto
      @captainotto 10 месяцев назад

      That’s exactly it. I would caution anyone considering this process for weather exposed parts to recognize that any chipping incurred during use will compromise the finish and provide a site for corrosion to take hold. Furthermore, as the surface has blued, you have a slightly less resistant surface. So in short, this is a great process for non-condensing and non-saline environments, such as indoors. Also that surface will have great slip properties so it would be fantastic for light duty parts that will be rubbing against metals but are unsuitable for lubricants. I think I heard him say it was for a slide of some sort.

  • @stihlsawrepairs7955
    @stihlsawrepairs7955 Год назад

    Yeah, but how long did you leave it in the oil?

  • @SandeepKumar-jj7zi
    @SandeepKumar-jj7zi Год назад

    Is that black due to oxidation or carbonization ?

  • @willacewallace5905
    @willacewallace5905 2 года назад +1

    What I do is prep the surface, then parkerize. Heating to such a degree I fear will warp parts.

    • @zumbazumba1
      @zumbazumba1 2 года назад +1

      Depends on a thickness and type of steel ofc . You can also make a bluing bath out of 64% distilled water and 3% KNO3 and 33% lye .You heat it up to 140C° and leave part in for 30 min.

    • @wrstew1272
      @wrstew1272 2 года назад

      @@zumbazumba1 what is KNO3?

    • @zumbazumba1
      @zumbazumba1 2 года назад

      @@wrstew1272 Saltpeter aka potassium nitrate.

  • @machinist_matt
    @machinist_matt 2 года назад +1

    Does this change the properties of the steel?

    • @timothy098-b4f
      @timothy098-b4f 2 года назад +3

      You definitely don't want to do this to high-carbon tool steels like 1095, O-1, W-2, spring steel, 52100, and others. it will change their temper and probably degrade their design properties. I'd only recommend this treatment for mild steel. Also, the smoother the steel the better this treatment looks. If it starts out smooth, polished, and really clean the finish looks great--much darker and less blotchy.

    • @zumbazumba1
      @zumbazumba1 2 года назад

      @@timothy098-b4f You can do it as a tempering process .Also there is variant with a hot bath(140C° distilled water 64%) and a KNO3(3%) and Lye mix(33%) .You soak it for 30min.

  • @NjalLaing
    @NjalLaing 5 месяцев назад

    I used real dirty waste diesel engine oil and had to only heat and dunk once for a really black finish
    Cheaper than using good oil

  • @andrewdolinskiatcarpathian
    @andrewdolinskiatcarpathian 2 года назад +1

    Can the same process be done on a cast iron part ? 🤔

    • @SteveJordan
      @SteveJordan  2 года назад +3

      Hi Andrew. I haven't tried it on cast iron, but I reckon it would be ok. Cast iron saucepans are blackened using heat and oil.
      I will see if I can find a piece and try it. If I do I will let you know for sure. Regards Steve

    • @andrewdolinskiatcarpathian
      @andrewdolinskiatcarpathian 2 года назад +1

      @@SteveJordan Thank you Steve. Be very interesting to see how a little experiment works out. 👏👏

    • @russelldold4827
      @russelldold4827 2 года назад

      @@SteveJordan Just a quip: obviously you wouldn't use motor oil for blackening cast iron cookware 🙄
      Useful process I've not used since my apprenticeship days - thanks for reminding me, Steve.

  • @zumbazumba1
    @zumbazumba1 2 года назад +3

    Linseed oil leaves better finish. You dont have to dip it i use cotton rag soaked with oil and i wipe it on a red hot part.Wear leather gloves thou and do quick moves.Sometimes rag catches on fire.But its not that dangerous .

    • @thebasswicker6294
      @thebasswicker6294 Год назад

      Can you do that to stainless steel?

    • @zumbazumba1
      @zumbazumba1 Год назад +1

      @@thebasswicker6294 Depends on chrome content,oil method relies on thin black oxide layer forming on surface.(rust is red iron oxide).There is like 30 types of stainless steel.

  • @robertlewis4666
    @robertlewis4666 2 года назад

    I make mini cannons and do the same treatment to the barrels, with one exception I use old engine oil. The stuff is too expensive to use new!

    • @SteveJordan
      @SteveJordan  2 года назад

      I normally use old engine oil but didn't have any when I did this video. I sometimes buy half empty cans of new oil from my local recycle center at very low cost. The canons must be a good product to make! Regards Steve

  • @trollking202
    @trollking202 2 года назад

    I have the oil how do I make the fire and the part?

  • @Stefan_Boerjesson
    @Stefan_Boerjesson 2 года назад

    What is the resulting surface really? Soot giving You black fingers? Joking! But, ... how does the surface withstand bangs, scratchings?
    You've surprised me so many times before so why not try it?

    • @SteveJordan
      @SteveJordan  2 года назад

      It's really good. I did it to my toolpost drill as well. It still has the black finish after a year now and it didn't get any rust on it throughout the winter months. Regards Steve

    • @Stefan_Boerjesson
      @Stefan_Boerjesson 2 года назад

      @@SteveJordan Keeping rust away is really nice. Using oil has the disadvantage of making the hands "dirty" every time I touch those things.
      An anti rust method not making the hands dirty directly has a great advantage.
      As motor oil is quite costly I held my breath when You pored up quite a volume of oil. One question Steve: Commercial motor oil contains additives. On some of the containers there's even a warning not to get skin contact.
      What motor oil do You use?

    • @SteveJordan
      @SteveJordan  2 года назад

      @@Stefan_Boerjesson I use any engine oil. I bought it from a local recycle center. The black finish doesn't come off or make hands dirty. The heat and oil actually changes the metal surface colour.

    • @Stefan_Boerjesson
      @Stefan_Boerjesson 2 года назад

      @@SteveJordan Thanks for Your replies Steve!
      I urge You to take a look at the different oils on the shelf. Pure oil is likely what we prefer, avoiding those mystery additives being more or less bad for humans. What kind does a recycle center provide? For what purpose is that oil made?
      Thanks for the summing up, hands not getting dirty.
      I have a propane/butane hand held torch giving 1925 degree Celsius that ought to be enough.

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  • @medievilassassin
    @medievilassassin 2 года назад +2

    Great work but it’s actually way better to use engine oil that has Been used

    • @SteveJordan
      @SteveJordan  2 года назад +1

      Hi Jason Yes I normally use that, but didn't have any on this occasion. Regards Steve

    • @medievilassassin
      @medievilassassin 2 года назад +1

      @@SteveJordan did you ever bother upgrading the headstock bearings with angular contact bearings?

    • @SteveJordan
      @SteveJordan  2 года назад +1

      Hi Jason yes I did that, but I didn't show it on video.

    • @medievilassassin
      @medievilassassin 2 года назад

      @@SteveJordan could you please provide a link for the bearings

    • @SteveJordan
      @SteveJordan  2 года назад +1

      I will see if I can find them. I have it written down somewhere.

  • @olhemi1
    @olhemi1 2 года назад

    🙂👍☕

  • @carlschnier4089
    @carlschnier4089 Год назад

    Not too good for tempered parts like springs, etc

  • @union310
    @union310 Год назад

    Way too close with the torch

    • @union310
      @union310 Год назад

      @@FirstLast-ye8nf Then people would make mistakes like that fella did.

  • @Michael-t1o7e
    @Michael-t1o7e 11 дней назад

    The method does work, but the fumes….

  • @jdmccorful
    @jdmccorful 2 года назад +1

    Looks great. Thanks for the tip.