The Largest Wargame Ever Played?
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- Опубликовано: 4 сен 2024
- Could this be the largest miniature wargame ever played? The British news media certainly believe so! In June 2019 organizers at the University of Glasgow staged a 120 player Waterloo game, fought with over 22,000 miniatures on 2,000 square feet of table space. Who put this event together? What rules did they use to play the game? Did the French manage to rewrite history?
"Wargames, Soldiers and Strategy" magazine was on location for this epic battle and brings us exclusive footage of the event! Visit them at www.wssmagazine...
Additional footage provided by Bello Ludi, online at www.belloludi.nl
Proceeds from "Waterloo Replayed: The Great Game" went to support Waterloo Uncovered, a fantastic veteran's charity. Please go to www.waterloouncovered.com to learn more about the unique work they do.
This almost makes my own weird obsession, with playing and watching historical films and games in chronological order by date seem sane.
No it doesn’t. 😝😂🤣
Jay Smith wow so funny COMEDY GOLD
You do that too! I'm not the only one!
@@jordangustafson1365 nope I wanted to see it all as 1 giant story see it, play it, iv commanded armies down to holding. Rifle in the battle I commanded to historical accuracy.
@@stevefromwork6136 this one summer I played through my WW2 games and watched my collection of WW2 movies. All in chronological order.
I love how odd the youtube recommendation is, I mainly watch gaming/history/car videos, I get this video recommended to me with 16k views on something I never knew existed. Sweet.
We're glad RUclips was working correctly today and you found it! Historical wargaming should be right up your alley!
So, the battlefield is too big that you have an accidental fog of war. You are in your sector and then news from the other flank come, but you really dont know about that, if they managed to succeed or they were stopped, pushed back or captured, just like in real warfare xd
“Yes! My Cavalry broke through to the enemy Artillery!”
“Sir the Infantry on our flanks have been annihihilated and now we’re completely surrounded”
*WHAT*
“Furthermore the enemy infantry have captured our allies artillery so we also have four armies worth of artillery aiming at us”
“Oh, also sir, our cavalry that you sent to attack the flank has surrendered after failing to arrive”
"Total War was released at 2000"
"Meanwhile people at 1999"
Total War is awesome, but computer games are simply not a replacement for in-person games like this.
@@LittleWarsTV No, they are not and I don’t think anyone is saying they should be. That said, I think that games like Operational Art of War and to a lesser extent Total War do have their place. Especially for people that live in the sticks like myself. You simply aren’t going to find many people interested in this sort of thing and no place to buy rge supplies even if you did. The PC Wargaming allows for the community to expand.
@@LittleWarsTV PC strategy games will never replace tabletop as long as there are people who prefer to take it slow. Turn based strategy is basically dead on PC, real time is king. This is why I put a 1 minute timer in my wargames, so people need to act fast during a phase. If Im feeling brave I make it 30 seconds per phase, so basically speed chess haha.
Nah, computer games have long surpassed these board games and will continue to do so. What makes in-person boardgaming fun is not necessarily the level of attainable detail (certainly not efficiency!) but the unique, tactile thrill of playing with others physically@@johncarl5505
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Before The Total war series was invented.
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You guys feel bad? I freaking study at the University of Glasgow and I missed this!!!😆
You suck
Octopus 8 Why thank you!
@@martinlaird4738 I hope you learn from your past mistakes
Octopus 8 I mean I was in Malawi doing charity work in a hospital so I guess I missed it for something worthwhile
@@martinlaird4738 haha man, I was just jokingly rubbing salt in the wound, just because you already admitted failure. Don't think it too far! Also, from your original comment it seems like you just missed out on this interesting event in plain sight, being around and just not realizing it.
Obviously your charity work is a fantastic reason to miss out on the event haha cheers
So when this disease is over, who wants to help me organize the American response. I'm sure we could get a civil war battle at this scale.
Yesssssss
But which battle? Gettysburg seems appropriate! Chancellorsville would be fun also!
If there is serious interest I may actually be able to set something up...it wouldn't be for a few years and I would need help. But it could be done.
@@celticfox Gettysburg could work well as a counterpoint to Waterloo. I actually have a location in mind. Old Fort Niagara. Western NY. Very near the Canadian border. I think this could actually be a thing.
I would prefer 40k but I could try and find civil war models
I'm not sure if it was larger, but there was a Mega-Borodino in 1992 in 15mm played in the Fort Meade gym. Three rows of tables and dozens of players. David Chandler flew over to make an appearance and observe. Wally Simon stood in for Kutuzov. He was restricted to a chair with a desk some distance back from the play tables, getting all info from despatches walked back to him. He rather famously fell asleep.
Yes, I played in that game commanding Russian militia forces.
Imagine the Battle of Kursk at this scale.
No the battle of the nations would be the best, at leipzig
Ive partaken in a wargame version of the entire battle tough at 1/1000 scale so your commanding at the smallest platoons.
@Hoohoosistik you dont need a tennis court for that tough but its feasible if you got the manpower to spare
i literally would love that 11/10 would buy
hmmmmmmmmmm
It was an outstanding event. They ran a study day on the Thursday before the game which featured lectures on the history of the battle, archaeology of the battle, weapons displays (which we got to handle) and Napoleonic era battlefield surgery. The fact that it was in aid of such a worthwhile cause was the icing on the cake.
But who won????
@@RightTurnClyde 2 years late, but looks like the umpires called it an Allied victory
Why are we staring 90% at dudes talking. We want to see the damn game.....
That dude organized this event! But we weren't there to do any filming ourselves and wanted to present the footage we did receive from those who were at the game. We have lots of other great wargames on the channel with plenty of tabletop footage, maps, and interviews with players in the middle of the action.
Why are you here Mat? If I see you on another video I'm watching I'm gonna report you for stalking me.
Hey Matt you should try table top war gaming with the British Gulf war selection from airfix
@@LittleWarsTV Where can I see how "A near run thing" it was this time ?
Mat you are literally commenting on 90% of the videos I watch and they are all different subjects
The National Army Museum in Chelsea has a room sized model of the battle created by an eye witness. They also have the skeleton of Napoleon's horse and standards captured on the day. Well worth a look if you are interested in this period of history.
The creator of the model wasn't actually present at Waterloo during the battle, but he surveyed the battlefield some years after, corresponded and acquired first hand accounts from participants to discover accurate troop positions.
I have never heard of this.
The diorama is one of the famous Siborne Dioramas. It looks really impressive, but it's now reckoned to be flawed and occasionally inaccurate. Siborne talked with key people who were present at the battle, but unfortunately it was mainly English ones. In some cases, they exaggerated their role or had errors of memory due to the passage of time and the general confusion inherent in any battlefield. Sadly, the diorama almost totally misses the French, Prussian and Dutch perspectives.
Of the two French Eagles in the NAM, the eagle of the 105eme is genuine, while that of the 45eme is a reproduction (the original is held at Edinburgh Castle). I believe both are of the lower-quality 1815 issue. But if you want to see earlier higher standard French Eagles, go to the Museum of the Chelsea Hospital next door. They have several taken in 1809 during the capture of Martinique and Guadeloupe, including one with battle damage enabling you to see how they were constructed (spoiler... they're hollow...)
My understanding is that the French were allowed to keep their standards vs 1814. At least I saw dozens of originals in Paris...
@@seanbissett-powell5916 this is inaccurate. Siborne corresponded with Prussian officers and did get the "German" view. Not sure where you get your information as he has the Prussians arriving hours before Wellington's inaccurate times.
This is maddness, but it's wonderful! As a wargamer myself and knowing the effort required to properly plan a normal wargame, I have to admire all involved in this.
Indeed. Pc might be quick, but painting the braid on all the hussars jackets is knowing the men
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This could be the most epic battle of cadia in wh40k universe
regi Cadia stands!
kabob 007 hate to break it to you but Cadia is blown to pieces
Ugly Meez Didn't stop the surviving Guardsmen from taking pot shots at Abaddon's raggedy ass fleet!
@@uglymeez236 So long as the memory of Cadia, a bastion against all the horrors of the Warp remains in the hearts of Men, and Monsters alike, CADIA WILL STAND
kabob 007 remember the planet broke before the guard did!
The way he says Glasgow hurts my soul
Makes me wish I'd gotten into wargaming much sooner. This would have been a blast to have been able to watch in real time
I was part of the Umpire team for this, we had people from all over, including New Zealand, umpiring. It was a great event - you should have been there!
Wish we had been! It looked like an epic gaming experience.
We had one of these in Finland, I literally was the only one Who was under 15! I was 11 at that time and i actually destroyed 2 opponents before i got destroyed.
A most impressive table, difficult to see both ends...Superb!
Imagine other wars being played like this, like the civil war, or WW2. The thought of it delights me
Good of you to highlight this. Hearty congratulations to Tony Pollard, the event sponsors, Glasgow University for providing the hall free of charge, and all of the wargamers who contributed their collections and painting skills and organised and participated in it, for pulling off such a successful event! Amazed at the distance many people travelled to participate in this event. I live less than 20 miles away and foolishly thought I could just turn up when it suited me but then a friend informed me that tickets for the viewing gallery had almost sold out. With each ticket giving you a 2 hour viewing slot and apparently all of the core times sold out, I couldn't make it. Although it would still have been good to attend both for the spectacle and the worthy cause, I don't completely regret it because it looked to me that spectators did not get a close up view, instead getting a slightly distant view from the balconies on the floor above, and my old eyesight is not what it was. What I probably regret more is not taking the plunge and applying to be a player. It was therefore great to see again (at 0.26) at least one wargamer I have gamed with in the past! Well done, Donald! And yes, we Brits say 'Glaz-go' ..... Now that you know, you can show off your knowledge when you're drinking your next bottle of malt whisky - spread the word, guys! 8-)
I’m a Warhammer player and I’m so excited and impressed by this kind of thing! This is REAL war gaming ! Proper historical stuff! This is such a bit of me! Or at least “wannabe me!”
3:22 the dice roller looks like the guy from up
in 1971 or 1972 I watched a display of Waterloo being filmed in downtown Houston. The display was a platform around 24' by 24' with tens of thousands of figures. It was put on by 3 RAF personnel. I believe they said the display was built on the scale of 1 figure to 6 men. The figures were all painted Airfix 1/72nds. Of course at the time there was a limited number of types and most had to be modified. I was unfortunate to have picked the day they did the filming because they had been having people from the audience play the wargame for the whole week.
Being over 50 years ago some of my facts may be similar to the participants of the actual battle talking to Siborne. I have never found any information mentioning this since.
In Wellington , New Zealand, at the Wellesley club, on the 200th anniversary, we battled Waterloo in 28mm. Approx 10,000 models.
That would have been a real spectacle. Are there any pictures or film? I won't ask who won......
My group played this at on the 200th anniversary we had around 12,000 15mm figs. We were short a few Prussian brigades but other than that we had them all. We had 6 players and it took a week we were using General de Brigade .
First off, this is great! Back in the mid-1990s I was lucky to be part of a similar event when the South Bay Game Club hosted the battle of Leipzig in 25/28mm. I don't remember the final figure count. My old-man brain wants to say 20,000 figures, but that's probably not accurate. Regardless, we played on a huge u-shaped table back in the old Dunfey Hotel during Pacificon. People did come from around the U.S. to play. My meager contribution was a small Polish contingent - a regiment of lancers, a couple of battalions of infantry and a battery of guns. We used In the Grand Manner, which is a fun rule system (artillery is king in that game for sure), but too intricate for a gigantic wargame. We had grand designs to finish the battle, but threw in the towl after a long afternoon and evening of play having completed just a few turns. But that didn't matter, it was fun to just be part of such a huge, community undertaking. This video brought back a lot of good memories, and kudos to everyone who participated and more to the organizers!
Perhaps the coolest thing I've seen this month.
This was my first game of black Powder, and safe to say won't be my last. So glad I was part of this.
I love how there's an active fog of war, your on one end of the table when you hear your being flanked, you wall all the way across and deal with the flank then you get called back
They should organize an event on battle of leipzig,largest battle in history until ww1,and the largest of Napoleonic wars,600,000 soldiers will be great to see.
this makes me miss my teenage days of battletech board gaming
Battletech is still around lol I demoed one of the new games at origins game fair a few weeks ago was really fun.
@@Cinomod6066 yea cool i still have all my terrains and figurines etc its all in storage i use to play on a ping pong table haha
The average age of players looks to be 45, get back on your horse if you miss it.
Yestarday we had 2 battles (Leipzig and Talavera) on 3 tables in Prince Joseph Poniatowski's historical residence- Pałac pod Blachą, Warsaw, Poland. We had only 16 gamers and over 7500 miniatures, so I think we will beat this record soon. Leipzig seems the best battle for such challenge ;)
Yes, the largest ever wargame with 28mm miniatures ever played. As verified by PWC auditors, over 22,000 figures. More importantly, most of the umpiring team were from Australia, a country that could have been a French colony, so all umpiring was completely unbiased.
I’ve sat exams in that hall. That’s just weird
in scale, yes, maybe the biggest, but not the biggest in numbers. i've seen waterloo games with 50-60 thousand of 6mm figs take place. but either way, this is very impressive :)
I’ve always been into PC war gaming but I never could find other players to play the few tabletop games I could find with me as I live far far away from people who would be interested in playing. 40 years old now and can you believe that it is one of my sincerest regrets that I never could play something like in this video. Back to Operational Art of War 4 I suppose.
brilliant , just need a battle of Austerlitz in the winter hehe
The paint jobs are exquisite. I have tears in my old eyes.
I really love stuff like this but my siblings and cousins really don’t care much for history or for long strategy games so you can imagine how sad I am during quarantine
As a New Zealander this makes me proud. Top effort that man
@2:04" ... all the way from New Zealand". (And not a single Hobbit in sight.)
That's because they're all in the English shires where they were envisaged.
What must be 30 years ago at least, I once took part in a huge English Civil War game at the Edinburgh Assembly halls (Scotland). I had around half of the Loyalist cavalry under my command and was successfully turning the left flank in our favor. Unfortunately, our infantry was not doing so well on the right flank and the whole battle was pivoting clockwise around the center. There were thousands of figures that took almost the whole year to prepare for this epic battle. To be honest, I can not remember the final outcome other than my calvary was still going strong, all be it at drastically reduced numbers. The exhibition battle was over two days (the weekend) and was so much fun. There is something about moving actual figures around as opposed to today's computer-based wargames. This event looked epic and there is obviously something about Scotland when it comes to war-gaming lol.
How did I not know this was a thing? I’ve got a new hobby.
Welcome, Joel!
3:19 with captions "and I hope I might go back in and find out that they're touching my nipple" 🤣🤣🤣
I can't see the Imperial Guard anywhere.
Dissapointing Emperor/10
*Sad Corsican Noises*
@@MrSeekerOfPeace
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Absolutely amazing. Love it.
yes,amzaing!
I could be wrong, but I would double check those stats with The Fletcher Pratt Naval Wargames back during WW2. That might have been the largest wargame. They were done each weekend in a giant ballroom in Brooklyn.
I really want to actually play this game it looks very interesting and awesome tbh
This is epic!! I love it! Would have loved to be there watching in person! wow!
Show more minis being played, not just someone talking! Just put commentary over panning of the wargame!
Yeah! I clicked to see painted Nappies being pushed, not Prof Pollard talking in a parking lot.
If we had more footage of the event, we certainly would have shown it. Sadly, we weren't present to take any! But we're grateful we at least received something to share. And Professor Pollard was very generous with his time given how busy he was at the event!
0:56 When british Mark Hamill organizes your competition
Wowww 😻 fantastic channel
Regards from Peru 🇵🇪🥁⚔️
Thank you! 😃
love the channel (by the way Glasgow .. ow is like 'snow' not 'cow' :-)
yeah like Glaz-Goh is how we pronounce it here
@@Splozy fair point !
Every American pronounces it that way, it’s simply a difference of accents, my friend
Dakota Miles Maybe so. But it is wrong.
@@DakotaMilesO This American doesn't pronounce it that way.
Superb.
If they had failed at this, it would've been their Waterloo...
i really should try to pick up blackpowder and the various wargames at some point
That was glorious I wish I was there
That looks fun 👀
Without a doubt awesome as can be.......well maybe almost......I been obsessed with this campaign since 1965 when I was 11.....when I discovered it was possible to play this battle......I try to do it once a year if possible....but alas lately its been about every 3 years.....if the French win at Waterloo.......I have the approaching Russian and Austrian armies enter the scenario about 2 weeks later.......luckily being so obsessed with this scenario as I am I've over 75,000 Napoleonic figs to work with last time I counted ......wish this had been filmed and documented..be cool as hell to watch
Never played a wargame in my life but this is glorious
everybody gangsta till someone who thinks its a 40k convention shows up with a warlord titan
Waterloo couldn’t escape if I wanted too 🎵
Lol!!! ABBA was there!!!!
I want to do the Battle in the Atlantic with the wolf pack attacks and the shipping lane with support.
The strange algorithms of RUclips have worked pretty well this time and showed me this lol. Good stuff!
A 'great game' and a great effort by the organisers, also great for the hobby and specifically Napoleonic Wargaming.
Lul, when I was kid I played a lot in wargames like this with myself, but my infantry were from paper, cavalry from chess or checker figures, artillery was from construcor details and the battle scale was ~600-700 soldier.
Okay it's settled then we need a game of Empires in Arms where the battles are all resolved by miniatures on tabletop! Where every major leader is represented by a living human being..... And in some cases their staff.
Next time a major battle of ACW?
Thanks RUclips Recommendations
This channel is so cool! Please do more videos! I would like to see strategy tips, battle reports, and other stuff like that! Keep it up guys!
Thanks, John. We have a fair number of battle reports on the channel as our main episodes. We have a whole string of new ones coming out starting with our monster Gettysburg game! Hope you'll stick around!
@@LittleWarsTV thanks for the response! You definitely have a fan here! I would love to play with you guys one day!
This looks really cool, hope it expands to other wars and to America, I'd go.
I just had your video pop up on my screen and before I could even tap it to watch i was already, seriously, laughing my arse off! 😂😂😅😅
I look forward to now actually watching it.
My goal is to participate in one of these someday.
Legend says they are still playing the game.
i do not know the rules and how to play this, but it looks amazing to me :D
New Life goal , get to such event , if there is ever again such an event , which i hope is the case ^^
Wow, recommended section is with this video now
GW where you at? This sounds like a challenge. My orks are always up for a great WAAAAAGH!
We certainly hope GW is watching! Seeing these monster games--historical or fantasy/sci-fi--is simply awesome.
You have any idea how big a building would need to be just to hold over 22500 models of 40k and the players you would need to do it in a airplane hanger or a football field.
@@mobilecivilian6124 Also, imagine insurance rates. >22k models would be worth more than Belgium;)
@@mobilecivilian6124 A small sacrifice for wagh
It's hard to say ... but I think the biggest game I ever played in was a hex map game of Borodino - but of course we didn't have any where near this many people and because it was played with small cardboard counters it wasn't nearly this big physically.
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Pretty Cool. When are you guys at Little Wars TV gonna host something like that?
Maybe Little Bighorn or Gettysberg or D-Day replayed.
I wanna do one of these now
Back in the 90's Seattle had a group called the Armchair Generals Association. We played a scale battle of Antietam with 20,000-30,000 minis that took up about 5000 sf and took about 100 hours to play. They rented the floor of a warehouse for the game.
iwant this wargames pack in stores but with ancient genre style for real i want buy it lol
Next up: replaying the battle of Kursk...")
Imagine being there for it. My headass would be humming or singing "Waterloo" by Stonewall Jackson
_Waterloo Waterloo_
_Where will you meet your Waterloo?_
_Every puppy has his day_
_Everybody has to pay_
_Everybody has to meet his Waterloo_
Tony Pollard makes some great documentaries
Awesome. Warlord Games Black Powder is amazing
its all fun and games until someone brings a space marine and everybody groans in despair
I mean, I've played large games of warhammer, but damn.
What I imagined happened when I was 7 and playing with a bag of plastic soldiers.
I legit thought this was a Warhammer 40k tournament when I saw the thumbnail.
I usually end up w/the cursed dice...
What the rule of this game? How you decide what unit win ecc
They should make the battlefield like those vibrating electric nfl games from the 60s.
So who won?
Me
The best
For the honest answer.
The British/Prussian side ended up winning.
Not correct - in the 1990s 'Borodino' was done twice in 25mm on 3 table's this size. Took 3 days.
Everyone Gangsta until the Adeptus Titanicus arrives.
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