That was helpfull,very mush so:) I just bought a mill & I have had one of these wigglers for 5+ years, never knew what it was. I bought a ton of used mill bits & things from a retired guy & used some of the lathe tools & a few mill bits on my drill, now I get to try the rest. next up is a good vice
I have just received a set, very similar and didn't actually know how to use them. I know "Mr Pete" will surely have it covered. Thank you Sir Stay safe and love to you and yours
when I use a Wiggler to find an edge I have the ball end clamp as lightly tightend as practical but enough to retain the wiggler in position then advance the wiggler in to the face to be refrenced slowly till the friction of the wiggler touching the face spins it off I the call that that point and adjust the DRO for the rad this diffrent to your method as you do not have to judge when it is there Paul
I have been a machinist for 50 years. I have seen these, never used them. I call an .200 edge finder, a wiggler. If you have a DRO, like this (I have the same B&L, I bought in 1980), I "wiggle" the far edge, zero out the digital readout and wiggle the front edge, take the reading and dividing by two. That gives you a very accurate center of the part. My father was an engineer, his two brothers were life long machinists, and their father was a tool & die maker during the depression. When my uncle retired, he gave me his tool box. There was that same wiggler pouch in it. Now I know how it works, although I would never use it. That uncle served as a machinist's mate on a submarine tender in WW2. He would have liked these machinist's tips here. Thanks.
Thanks Mr Pete. I was stumped and you most usually have a video covering my issue. Sometimes an old fella has a brain fart ya know. Lol. Merry Christmas
Hi Mr Pete, greetings from England, I have just found one of these sets in a box of stuff that was given to me along with my lathe, and I wasn't quite sure how to use it, but this little tutorial has given me the answers I was looking for. Incidentally, mine has a smaller indicator shaft with a small disc on the end with a diameter of one hundred thou. Presumably to allow you to get into a hole or groove to get a position set up. Keep em coming!
I use a wiggler or edge finder all the time at work, even running CNC mills if the probe breaks you have to break out the old edge finder which can be pretty hard to see in an enclosed machine. These days I run a Bridgeport mill so my edge finder is in constant use.
Tubalcain, I wish you was my neighbor!!! I would be bugging you all of the time. But the viideo's are a great second choice!!! Keep them coming please!!! Thanks
I really wish I could of attended the school where you taught at!!! Heck my school didnt even offer a machinist course. But they offered welding, and thats what I do now. So now (10 years after high school) I am going to have to drive 2 hours to take a machinist course!
Nice video, the method you show to find the edge with the ball wiggler isn't quite right. When using the ball with the spindle turning (approx. 500RPM) - the table must be slowly moved into the work until the ball spins up and off the surface. Once the ball spins up and off the surface, then the edge is found and then it can be moved in 0.125" as you say.
Thanks, I have been missing your videos! I did pop over to eBay, as I suspected Starrett last word indicators (or anything else with Starrett on it) are unfortunately going for a lot more than $20. It was just a quick look, so maybe if I look longer...
Depend on the jobs and tolerences you have to hold. Wiggler or edge finder are used for refferent only. Then after that you have to use precision tools to pick up and set the target (x0,y0...). Machinist job you must work and learn experiences for all your life, but you still need to go to school to learn about the basic of Technology first. It is the most important for your carrier in future.
How come when using the wiggler, when it's steady, that's the edge, but using an edge finder, you move it until it's JUST offset again, for the edge? It seems like when the edge finder is aligned, THAT should be the edge.
I've always used an edge finder and wiggler the same way, move into the work piece until the tool jumps, move over half the tool diameter and you're on center.
I have access to a few lathes and a mill at work. Ive been toying around with them as a hobby......now im hooked. I found and exact wiggler like the one in this video at work, except its mad by Starrett. I told my co-workers I was going to ask Mr. Pete how to use it. Sure enough he had an answer. Do you have any videos on boring and sleeving a bearing housing? Thanks always!
question....I'm not a machinist, but once in a while, I need to align the centerline of a drill bit in a drill press to cross scribed center point of hole I want to drill in a piece of flat steel. It seems every time I "center punch" this point, it isn't dead on. How do you do this without centerpunching first, as it is never as accurate as I want. I've searched the net to no avail to find a solution.
Ok, thanks. I'll look for it. Although, after viewing this video, it dawned on me why machinists use the methods shown in your video. I've never been introduced to machinist's skills and methods so I'm trying to learn some to adapt to my own needs in my general purpose shop. I just bought a dial indicator, after seeing how they are used for so many things. Thanks again
btw, if I understand these techniques correctly, you are simply accurately finding an edge to measure to another point, no? Kind of like a tape measure, but ultimately more accurate? Thanks for any insight.
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Just want to give you yet another thankyou for taking the time and effort to share your knowledge with us. Thanks Tubelcain!
Thanks man, this video helped me bring a lufekin wiggler back to use… I’m going to use it alongside my standard .200” edge finder for the CNC machine
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That was helpfull,very mush so:)
I just bought a mill & I have had one of these wigglers for 5+ years, never knew what it was. I bought a ton of used mill bits & things from a retired guy & used some of the lathe tools & a few mill bits on my drill, now I get to try the rest.
next up is a good vice
Mr Pete,
Thanks so much for your videos. It is a pleasure for this hobby knee mill guy to learn from your years of experience.
I have just received a set, very similar and didn't actually know how to use them.
I know "Mr Pete" will surely have it covered.
Thank you Sir
Stay safe and love to you and yours
when I use a Wiggler to find an edge I have the ball end clamp as lightly tightend as practical but enough to retain the wiggler in position then advance the wiggler in to the face to be refrenced slowly till the friction of the wiggler touching the face spins it off I the call that that point and adjust the DRO for the rad this diffrent to your method as you do not have to judge when it is there
Paul
I have been a machinist for 50 years. I have seen these, never used them. I call an .200 edge finder, a wiggler. If you have a DRO, like this (I have the same B&L, I bought in 1980), I "wiggle" the far edge,
zero out the digital readout and wiggle the front edge, take the reading and dividing by two. That gives you
a very accurate center of the part. My father was an engineer, his two brothers were life long machinists, and their father was a tool & die maker during the depression. When my uncle retired, he gave me his tool box. There was that same wiggler pouch in it. Now I know how it works, although I would never use it. That uncle served as a machinist's mate on a submarine tender in WW2. He would have liked these machinist's tips here. Thanks.
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Good informative video as always from the internet's shop teacher!
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Thanks for sharing all your knowledge. That is a great tool and it was very well explained. I love watching these videos.
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Thanks for the video, you are still doing a great job teaching, this old student is learning a lot.
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Thanks Mr Pete. I was stumped and you most usually have a video covering my issue. Sometimes an old fella has a brain fart ya know. Lol. Merry Christmas
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Hi Mr Pete, greetings from England, I have just found one of these sets in a box of stuff that was given to me along with my lathe, and I wasn't quite sure how to use it, but this little tutorial has given me the answers I was looking for. Incidentally, mine has a smaller indicator shaft with a small disc on the end with a diameter of one hundred thou. Presumably to allow you to get into a hole or groove to get a position set up. Keep em coming!
Thanks
Very cool. Almost worth the 20$ just for the indicator holder. Thanks for your hard work Lyle
Ras thanks
Again, advice worth its weight in gold.
Thanks, Lyle! You always seem to have a video of my machining interests.
Very well done. Sir, you are a good instructor.
Thank you very much
Thank you sir! Be well!
...very good video for my new guys in the shop...appreciate your contribution
I use a wiggler or edge finder all the time at work, even running CNC mills if the probe breaks you have to break out the old edge finder which can be pretty hard to see in an enclosed machine.
These days I run a Bridgeport mill so my edge finder is in constant use.
Thanks--I am a retired shop teacher of almost 40 yrs.
Excellent video. Very informative. Thank you!
Thanks
Tubalcain, I wish you was my neighbor!!! I would be bugging you all of the time. But the viideo's are a great second choice!!! Keep them coming please!!! Thanks
Awesome video - thanks for posting!
Thanks for the helpful info
i love your videos, thanks so much for sharing what you know.
I really wish I could of attended the school where you taught at!!! Heck my school didnt even offer a machinist course. But they offered welding, and thats what I do now. So now (10 years after high school) I am going to have to drive 2 hours to take a machinist course!
Good info, thanks Mr. Pete!
Good Stuff!! Thank you posting these great videos!!
Nice video, the method you show to find the edge with the ball wiggler isn't quite right. When using the ball with the spindle turning (approx. 500RPM) - the table must be slowly moved into the work until the ball spins up and off the surface. Once the ball spins up and off the surface, then the edge is found and then it can be moved in 0.125" as you say.
Thanks, I have been missing your videos! I did pop over to eBay, as I suspected Starrett last word indicators (or anything else with Starrett on it) are unfortunately going for a lot more than $20. It was just a quick look, so maybe if I look longer...
@yogort1 accurite II--70s vintage.
@JaguarB When i used to use the wiggler method over 12 years ago i did exactly the same.
Thanks Mr. Pete!
Thank you very much. Very Informative!
Very nice and informative, Thank you.
Thanks
Super. Thank you.
Best Wishes,
Brendan
Thanks!I always wondered what that bent tool was for.
Depend on the jobs and tolerences you have to hold. Wiggler or edge finder are used for refferent only. Then after that you have to use precision tools to pick up and set the target (x0,y0...). Machinist job you must work and learn experiences for all your life, but you still need to go to school to learn about the basic of Technology first. It is the most important for your carrier in future.
Can it be used to find centers of holes and different diameters ?
nice video, very informative
How accurate is the wiggler when trued up to the edge of the part? Within .005? Or closer? Thanks again for another great tutorial.
Excellent video - thanks much :)
I know how to use a wobbler, but not a wiggler. Thanks Mr Pete!
TFS "thanks for sharing" Lyle always wondered what the bent one was for :) G
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How come when using the wiggler, when it's steady, that's the edge, but using an edge finder, you move it until it's JUST offset again, for the edge? It seems like when the edge finder is aligned, THAT should be the edge.
I've always used an edge finder and wiggler the same way, move into the work piece until the tool jumps, move over half the tool diameter and you're on center.
didn't you upload this video before? I remember watching this awhile back....
great video. can you tell me what linear positioner are you using? Acu-Rite, but what model? :)
Cheers
still figuring how the wiggler works on a bigger hole with no DRO
Thanks
I have access to a few lathes and a mill at work. Ive been toying around with them as a hobby......now im hooked. I found and exact wiggler like the one in this video at work, except its mad by Starrett. I told my co-workers I was going to ask Mr. Pete how to use it. Sure enough he had an answer. Do you have any videos on boring and sleeving a bearing housing? Thanks always!
Thanks for watching--no videos on sleeving a housing
question....I'm not a machinist, but once in a while, I need to align the centerline of a drill bit in a drill press to cross scribed center point of hole I want to drill in a piece of flat steel. It seems every time I "center punch" this point, it isn't dead on. How do you do this without centerpunching first, as it is never as accurate as I want. I've searched the net to no avail to find a solution.
+Martin Walters One of my videos goes into great detail on that with several methods. I do not remember which one
Ok, thanks. I'll look for it. Although, after viewing this video, it dawned on me why machinists use the methods shown in your video. I've never been introduced to machinist's skills and methods so I'm trying to learn some to adapt to my own needs in my general purpose shop. I just bought a dial indicator, after seeing how they are used for so many things. Thanks again
btw, if I understand these techniques correctly, you are simply accurately finding an edge to measure to another point, no? Kind of like a tape measure, but ultimately more accurate? Thanks for any insight.
Martin Walters optical center punch I bought one from grizzle it works great
Haha, in England, we call them 'Wobblers'.
You ought to have a go at making some nice firearms for us,
@schnitzengruber When Are your videos coming out?? Just as I thought. it's fine to make corrections, it's amateurish to be a jerk about it.
That is not the correct way of using a wiggler as an edge finder.
such an old mrpete222 video lol
Yes
I have had several Starrrett Last Word indicators, IMO they are the biggest piece of junk out there.
Why would you say that?