Backfiring Bluff! What Went Wrong?
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- Опубликовано: 26 июн 2024
- In this hand review, we have a rare scenario where a strong hand is turned into a bluff. Our caller knew fron the betting action that his hand was likely no longer good and decided to make a play, but the play backfired due to the shallow stack depth by the river. Join us as we dissect the hand and uncover what went wrong.
In This Video:
Hand Review: Analyzing the critical decisions made during the hand.
Strategic Breakdown: Understanding the thought process behind turning a strong hand into a bluff.
Stack Depth Analysis: How shallow stacks worked against the hero.
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0:00 - Intro
0:59 - Preflop
2:34 - Flop
3:47 - Turn
8:51 - River
10:33 - Hero Decision
13:15 - Reveal
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Clear example of why you have to consider stack depth. Having blockers doesn't mean anything if the price is too good to get enoughg folds
Bro, villian FLOPPED A combo draw. Turn did absolutely nothing for his hand.
@@charlesnewborn3760 Misreading board happens to everyone from time to time
I think all of the sets and flushes are calling. I think he can bluff A-8 off a chop, but that's it.
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@@charlesnewborn3760 I agree, but I've seen people (myself included) misread the new board as having extra outs - it's not a double gutter, but sometimes people will see it that way. Conversely, a lot of people miss seeing the wheel draw, but when the 6 comes they suddenly see it.
Trying to bluff people off of flushes/sets at 1/3 is 🤡🤡🤡
1/3 is the only level where players will make a garbage fold like hero is trying to make the villain here.
@@TheTree1lmao what!? Where do you play? You really think a 1/3 player is going fold a small flush getting like 5:1? Or even a set? You’re nuts dude
@@jacobbirkenfeld9261 you have a better chance of some shit 1/3 player making a fold like that than an actual good player playing 5/10 +. I have seen some incredibly nitty folds at 13 that blow my mind that you will never see good players make at higher levels.
it is a losing play. With all the call boxes, your better off to just bet the hell out of your situations when your clearly a head. This was not one of those situations. I just got a bluff threw the other day but it was an awful play by me and an even worse fold by him. I should have got stacked,, like this guy did. at least I had air when I bet mine. Without knowing the player, I would probably fold here.
@@TheTree1you’re just wrong, as proven by this call in.
Caller is Watching too much high stakes poker streams on RUclips…. Fancy play syndrome at 1-3. At 1-3 it’s just a river call as the players at that level are generally horrendous and have no clue about hand strength. He could be value betting on river with AJ or 68 off.
Stakes and levels doesnt mean much . Uhave to observe opponent tendencies and believe u can find players folding it everywhere even at 1c/2c online. You just need to know who is who.Ofc on lower levels there is majorityof beginners and total fishes but not all of them
100%. This is just a classic valuebluff line by fish who dont understand relative hand strength, therefore we just call unless of course we're super nutted like Qx flush
I’m surprised Bart was still convinced it was a set on the river. I think a lot of low stakes players get scared on the river when the flush comes in.
When V continues to bet river I’m weighting V towards flushes. Which makes me want to bluff even less.
Caller didn't have enough left to bluff shove with to get Vil off sets so the attempt was a punt in my mind. I also think the Vil raised small on turn to get folds from medium strength hands like AT, AJ etc and if he didn't hit draw he could just give up if he chose.
Im jamming to the small raise on the turn.
if you look at what 'made' hands a solver turns into bluffs, its usually made hands at the bottom of range. in this sense, two pair is just two strong to consider to turn into a bluff. it would be better to turn just the naked Ac into a bluff, since one pair is no good facing this action. River is either just a call or fold.
As others have mentioned, turn should be a bet, 3b. losing only to 7 combos of sets and beating all other two pairs/flush draws.
Caller flopped a strong hand, but the runout and subsequent action turned it into a bluffcatcher. But caller felt entitled to the pot after flopping a strong hand, so he "turned it into a bluff."
100% call for me. Two pair has showdown value here - you're never getting called by worse and the the sizing won't get folds from better.
What are you expecting to beat when you call? A6 spades exactly?
IF I was going to make a move with Hero's hand here (big IF), I would have done it on the Turn. River here at 1-3 is a call all day and a tap on the felt when I was beat.
I hate two pairs. They almost always lose when I play thed by straights, flushes and trips.
Argument against chip spiking: more chips in the pot are enticing vs less chips=the same denomination
The turn analysis is uber-leveling yourself.
You have a super strong hand which you played meekly with the 50$ turn bet. Villain can easily have worse value or combo draws.
Always 3bet.
They can also easily have value hands, like sets. To put in a sizable three bet after the 125 you would either shove or you’d be pot committed.
Also side note, there’s no always and nevers in poker
@@haydenballard4894
No. They don't easily have sets. Sets are rare.
He does easily have 4combos of sets here as played. How often someone hits a set is irrelevant and shouldn’t be considered when analyzing the hand. You’re just supposed to look at their range as played. Not “oh well he has two pair combos and set combos but sets are way more rare to hit I’m not gonna worry about that”. He’s got 2 combos of A2s and 1 combo of A6s, I guess there’s 4 combos of A8o but still it’s not like it’s not like this board has a bunch of combo draws that we need to protect against. Definitely would not say to always 3 bet this hand here given the fact we lose to 4 sets and win against 3 combos of 2 pair.
@@storm9955 thanks
@@noamb07so are combo draws.
Can you please explain why it’s important at low stakes for your component to be more aware of the size of the pot? Bart doesn’t explain why it’s a good tactic.
I can't imagine being stupid enough to think that raising is a better play here than calling. Calling is bad, but he's just trying to make this guy fold things he's unlikely to fold.
Imagine his opponent relaying this hand to someone; so some 1/3 fish jammed 2 pair on a flush runnout with only $185 to call or whatever, can you believe these guys?
I made an absolutely AWFUL bluff that got threw at a 1/3 table a few days ago. The villain made an even worse fold. Bluffing at the lower stakes is typically suicide. With all the call boxes there, Bluffing in these kinds of situation is a losing play.
So explain me please the chip spiking.
Using bigs to show the opponent what’s the size of the pot.
What is the point?
Doesn't chip spiking open you up to giving off a tell when you do that with a value hand?
The players you would chip spike against aren’t watching CLP
Don’t know if I agree with the flop analysis. While big blind probably won’t have sets or other two pairs that might get raised off, so he is captain that way. I think his range is probably weighted towards flushes more as he will have more suited combos from the big blind. But I do agree he’s not peeling 8X.
I would just call the river. You don’t want to fold and you don’t want to raise because he either has a bluff, a set, or flush. I also think he has some AT,AJ,AQ that play like a classic 1/3 donk.
Too fancy. He's never getting a better hand to fold. People just don't fold when they bet for value at these levels.
He should be jamming the turn.
This is the only level where you will see a garage folds like this.
Today i reraised river with top pair mediocre kicker pot to fold off stronger aces and it turns out villain folded two pair and showed me . Backdoor club flush completes and i was holding 10of clubs, And it was 1c/2cent online. There are ppl who taking game seriously even at this levels and tbh i will have him beat vast majority of the time but this time it was a bluff and i was proud of myself :)
@@losyart that is a fold only a really shitty player will make. You will only see folds like that at incredibly small steaks at the higher stakes they will just snap call there.
@@TheTree1 Yeah yeah . Im sure if Uqualifyme as the one who never bluffs u snap calling unless Ur the fish
Hey Bart, what’s chip spiking?
he beats A2 and A6 and 86 but i would still just fold. if i was deeper and against a nit i would shove.
"It's a very rare spot" means "Probably shouldn't ever do that"
Raising on the what now 🤔 😅
If hero now that can be semi bluff. Shove in turn maybe play in here
You CANT price him out with the bluff on river. Easiest move is fold. His check raise on the turn suggests he’s strong.
I've never agree with Bart's logic for chip spiking. If my opponent doesn't know the size of the pot, that seems like an advantage I'd like to exploit. And we all know that a big messy pile of chips is exciting and makes pots look bigger. However, I do agree that there is psychology involved in choosing what chips to bet with.
_I'll comment as the video goes_
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PF: ok as played.
F: bet $35. Against 2 opps and a flushy board - bet more. To separate contenders from pretenders. _($25 c-bet is too small)_
T: Bet large: pot size ($90 as played; this would've been larger ~$110, if flop bet was larger). Honeymoon is over, the reality dictates. Put him on a difficult spot. Get money now, and do not expect much in river. Any two pairs (A2), or flush draw supposed to call. Weak pair of 8ts would not call mid size bet while OOP anyway (particularly a solid opponent). Warning: Opp might have a set off 22! So, be careful if x/r here or large bets on river. I don't think it is a bluff. _($50 c-bet too small)_
5:51 oho! x/r just happen! it's 2.5 x...well, hard to make sound decision here, as H bet was not large enough to be able to draw some hand reading here. This kind of V play (small x/r) might be a flush draw strategy to pave the road for possible river bluff if missed (?!?).
I fold! R1: as stated before, plus: R2: I don't want my previous mistakes (small c-betting) to get domino effect. I'm out of hand now.
Yes< I might be forced out by a weaker hand (flush draw, or 2 pairs - A2), but I might be owned (set of 22/66). Since I have no reading I'm - OUT!
_So: I stop my analysis here (as I'm out of hand). will reply to this post after hand reveal_
V rivered a flush! H Shoving river was a horrible play. No losing hand would've called. Period. Can't bluff him off flush either (with this size of raise). Just torching his stack.
It was my pleasure commenting.
Villain already had a combo draw-if he’d had 54s the six would have turned his gutter into a double gutter.
I knew villain didn't have a set here once he goes more than half pot on the river and hero can have all combos of Axcc... I like the bluff way more if villain went 125 or even 150 on the river, he's still getting great odds but I feel he's way more likely to take sets for that size and although 8s and 53cc is kind of the same strength in terms of bluff catching we know most villains at 1/3 are thinking more about absolute hand strength... Think the 200 is just way too strong a size to bluff into
Even if this guy can fold a set here, you have so many AcX hands that you don't need to bluff with one that blocks the sets you are trying to fold
The six doesn't change a thing though. He actually loses equity with the six.
Could hero overbet turn in theory?
That is what I would assume too, a clearer spot would be something like a 7d when flop was either heads up or villain was last to act. There I'm definitely betting $150-$200 but I think I'd still be tempted to over-bet this spot some but usually go 75-100.
Yay, I finally predicted the villains hand exactly for once 😅
you should go pro!
Bluffing has its places at 1/3 where it can work, but this is not one of them. When a player at 1/3 is doing something that indicates real strength (a check raise, post flop raise, preflop 3-bet, etc), they are virtually never bluffing and are simply incapable of folding. These players don’t think about anything beyond their own cards and will just call it a cooler if they are beat, when in reality it possibly could have been just them being a fish. Unless you REALLY know the guy, trying to bluff a low stakes player off a value hand is basically lighting money on fire, it’s worse than a punt. Plain and simple, DONT DO IT!
$50 bet on the turn??? Smack.
He's not raising big because he's "scared". He's raising small because of the SPR on the turn.
I definitely think you're narrowing his range too much at 1/3. He can have 2h3h for all we know.
What a punt
The villain isn’t smart enough to raise that combo draw on the turn. That’s what happened.
$50 0n turn is pricing him in to chase flush.
Barts face when the caller said about floating with 7d5d 😂💀
So I raise pre with A8o…..
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From button with 1 limper
Should of went all in when villian check raised
Yes
Yup. On the turn there's 12 combos of Aces up he beats (A6, A2), vs 8 combos of sets you lose to, and that's not even counting all the flush/straight draws you're ahead of too.
Why is the guy wearing blackface?
It's an explosion that "backfired" like the title and that's ash on his face I assume.
@@brandontaylor2325 exactly smh
.. bart I know you guys didn’t mean to do this but your thumbnail is considered blackface .. you might want to change it
No it’s not, get a life.
So sensitive
Ok white guilt guy, move on please. No one cares. Not even black people trust me
Maybe just give him huge lips.
Maybe consider looking at the title; "backfire" as in a car backfiring in your face.
But modern cars don't even do that, so you're maybe a young guy who doesn't know that expression.