The Byrds 1967 12 09 San Francisco, California Winterland Early Set
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- The Byrds
1967-12-09 San Francisco, California Winterland early set
01. ...Feel A Whole Lot Better
02.A Satisfied Mind
03.Have You Seen Her Face
04. ...My Back Pages
05. Milestones
06. Baby What You Want Me To Do
07. Renaissance Fair
08. Eight Miles High
09. (So You Want To Be A) Rock & Roll Star
What a shame there's not more recordings of the 66/67 Byrds .
Wish there more concerts of the original Byrds 🎃
My ALL TIME favourite band !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have been waiting to hear the original Byrds live(besides Monterey) for 40 some years. This sounds like a great performance! Thanks for posting.
Michael Clarke was a seriously underrated talent. He never touched a drum until the Byrds recruited him in 1964. They thought he looked like a rockstar and wanted him image in the band. He learned on the fly and outside of Mr. Tamborine Man played on all the recordings. As a drummer, I really enjoy his drumming and he actually keeps pretty good time.
I do think that Michael Clarke had a really good time!
I agree so much about Clarke!....his drumming on Eight miles high was seriously phenomenal and never mentioned..allways crediting Mcguins great lead or Hillmans fab opening line..but Clarke builds great tension and fab snare rolls to accent a section..I could go on forever :D
While he wasn't the worst ever, he was not at all underrated. Do you know any other words? Do you really play the drums?
Love your comment. Too often overlooked and mercilessly slagged by Crosby who instead should've been improving his rhythm guitar chops, Michael Clarke was an integral part of this band, one of the most influential, to this day, to have come out of the US.
@@chrissygerwitz520 He was raw and savage. Good qualities for a garage rocker but he lacked finesse. That said, I am surprised at how good his timing is on this recording.
I try to imagine one's reaction, buying tickets to see The Byrds as they had been known until here, and seeing only three people come out for showtime.
And seeing an incomplete band that was on borrowed time. I guess that it was getting untenable with David, but the Byrds were really no longer the Byrds anymore without David.
The songs lose much of their meaning when played as such a frenetic pace. Sounds as if the band were in a hurry to get through the set and be done with it.
@@451hist Sounds like they were literally on speed. Terrible performance of what are still great songs. Did they not know what they had?
@@chrissygerwitz520 they had tried working gene clark back in to a tour the month before this, but talk about untenable...
@@phillipph9882 I've always wondered why he didn't stay. Maybe he preferred staying solo? Or having a bad stretch with partying?
I'm loving this..thanks so much for posting!..my all time fave band..and my fave period of their writing...I was just thinking though that its correct that Crosby had left a few months before (threw me a bit coz they are playing Crosbys Renaissance Fayre) so they are doubling up on their duties and working it hard but well...anyhow..back to listening to the gig!
Some people here are saying they don't like the faster tempos, but I think it gives them an unusual punk edge, which I quite enjoy as it's so different from what one would normally expect from the band. "Rock And Roll Star" speeds along like a MF'er! It could be Husker Du doing it.
Thank you. To go back in time and feel the music while it's being made.
chris is straight up cooking on his bass...wow
I wonder why chris did not sing lead vocals too as he has excellent vocals in flying burrtitos
@@normatible9795 Apparently he was so shy he just wouldn't sing. You can see how withdrawn he looks in early pictures with the Byrds. Even with the Burritos Gram said he asked him to do more lead vocals, but he wouldn't. Eventually he became a relaxed stage presence. I note his dead-on harmonies even in difficult conditions.
@@normatible9795 He sings lead on all the songs he wrote on Younger Than Yesterday
Luckily, he sang more on the burritos' 3rd LP (the "blue" album).@@normatible9795
The performance of "Milestones" by a rock band, no less, must have amazed the part of the crowd that knew what they were hearing!
WOW! WOW! i wish they had gone jazz instead of country.
Byrds as a power trio. And it works ....McGuinn, Hillman and Clarke.
Not at all.
They were a four piece here for sure David Crosby is definitely present
@@BMeanies Why would you say that? Either way, David was fired months before this concert.
@@chrissygerwitz520 yes, I was definitely mistaken...they are indeed a trio on this recording after closer examination
@@BMeanies Well, either way, it's nice to have the recording out there. Enjoy!
Great to hear this.
They have some crazy good energy here!
Milestones!!!
good show, listen. Byrds had a special talent that almost got them to the top. lol
Really a substandard show sonically and artistically, with some points for Hillman's playing and throwing Milestones into the medley.
Thanks for this. The tape sounds a little sped up.
Thank you for uploading.
"Jefferson Airplane wa
s listening."
If Michael Clarke was not playing at such a rapid tempo I would say this is an amazing set but a few tunes are a bit too fast. Still, the band sounds good as a trio, surprisingly good, and I LOVE the medleys, the musical surprises, the new arrangements. Best thing is listening to them play Milestones, the Miles Davis cover they did. Wish someone at Sony Legacy could find the studio version of this potential game changer in the CBS vault as the four piece Byrds took a whack at it in the recording studio in late 1966. (I volunteer my services now, gentlemen.)
Crosby is on this. Not a Trio.
no. McGuinn is singing the Crosby parts and Hillman is singing the McGuinn parts...trippy
Agreed that Crosby isn't on this. But the other voice doesn't sound at all like Hillman.
I looked it up. Crosby was sacked in mid-Sept. Clarke had 4 more shows, quitting after a gig in Anaheim on 12/22/67.
not only is the tempo too fast but they sing the melodys wrong like every song has the same melody as Feel a Whole Lot Better when they don't not harmonizing right
on the bill were the eletric flag and B.B. King
Blessyou for this ❤❤❤
It's too bad the audio quality is atrocious. I wish there were more 1965-67 live Byrds recordings in good quality.
Me too, but just pretend it’s The Velvet Underground! I find it fascinating……it’s unlike anything on their studio albums
Should have done way more vocal rehearsals...
They should have done way more rehearsing altogether. Their albums were amazing, but they didn't know how to sound professional in a live setting.
Michael Clarke was a good drummer , the problem was
when he was too stoned he lost the timing like in Monterrey Pop.
i blame mike's monterey shortcomings on stp and cros's live policy: get off the stage afap
@Coogan clarke? alchohol and sunshine dont mix. crosby? his acid was stp. check his gretsch
This was December, 67. I think Crosby was out at that point. I think Michael Clarke was still with them. When I listen to Renaissance Fair here, which was Crosby's, I hear Mcguinn singing lead. No Croz.
Hey, drummers, although supposed to keep tempo, are not always the one who dictate speed of a song. Also in a live situation, adrenaline and faster tempo sometimes make a performance more exciting. As far as michael clarke- yes he was underrated!!!!!! Anyone familiar with the very popular band firefall in the 1970s knows (😉) michael was indeed a very good drummer! And yes I have played drums , street fairs country and rock band "silver wings ✈️ test flight". (Really doesn't matter, michael was indeed a very good drummer !).
I'm assuming this was Mike Clarke's last gig as a Byrd....or as near as makes no difference. The gems are Milestones and Eight Miles High, but the overall performance is pretty darn good. Crosby, at this stage at least, not missed in the slightest. McGuinn even throws in some very acidy 6-string licks!
From the bootleg's notes: "Michael Clarke had left during October (session drummers were used on most of Notorious Byrd Brothers) but was re-hired for December tour dates. Probably 1967-12-22 Anaheim Convention Center was his last appearance before he split to Hawaii".
sounds like the12-string from here. and personalities aside, how do they not miss the energy and harmony crosby provided live throughout 67?
Is Michael Clarke also doing backing vocals here?
Vocals just Hillman and Mcguinn. Micguinn did all the higher harmony parts for this, which is quite amazing.
Please post more original live Byrds performances
that really sounds like david crosby at 4.47 introducing'have you seen here face',the way he says' from the Younger Than Yesterday album' has that child-like intonation he had....i wonder if it could be the Fillmore sept 1967
It's McGuinn.
Are there any other good live recordings of the Byrds from this period?
Well there is Monterey Pop and the Johnny Carson Show from a few months earlier. I like this better than either of those performances with David Crosby.
18:29 eight miles high
The Byrds were an American treasure but u can't lose the group's two musical geniuses, Crosby for his unparalleled vocals and Clark for his vastly superior songwriting abilities, and not devolve into anything other than embarrassment to the legacy, which McGuinn did in long-winded unspectacular fashion. This performance didn't achieve anything close to a suitable pace but Byrd-energy is there nonetheless. Pretty close to a last gasp? Notorious Byrd Bros should have been only a stepping stone to a higher plane etc etc.
Yikes, how could you get to a higher plane than Notorious?
Better than the Monterey performance.
??? Is that Gene singing Feel a whole lot better??? Definite Roger on the back up ???
@Arvid Smith - Roger is singing lead on Feel a Whole Lot Better
@@jrh11254 And he still sings it live today.
Is this a trio?
Oh god yes it is
@@robf2769 yeh, once gene quit touring at the end of november 67 [apart from a few studio performances] they were a live trio for 3 months til parsons was hired. if they ever used a 4th performer in that time i'd love to know it
So, that would have been McGuinn, Hillman, Michael Clarke and who? Gene Clark and Crosby were gone...I think this is too early for Clarence White.
Personnel here, please.......the originals, minus Gene, I presume..........
Sure wish the Byrds had continued in this fashion rather than that ersatz country they evolved into. The jam sure seems influenced by what the Airplane were doing.
Satisfied mind. Pity they never listened.
The sound is pretty bad , but it sounds like a punk band from the late seventies! Lol 😅
I wish David Crosby had never been in the Byrds.
WHY?
Crosby was the most into jazz. he saw Coltrane and played that album on the tour bus that led them to the Eight Miles High arrangement. i mean, they had to get away from this because he was fired. they wanted to do part jazz on the follow up to Notorious but Gram kinda ensured it was going to be an all country album.
That's a ridiculous comment. The Byrds would have never had the vocal blend, not to mention some excellent songs he wrote. He was also an incredible rhythm guitarist. There would have been no Byrds, as they came to be.
Dope. The Byrds were no longer the Byrds at all without David Crosby. This was a band on borrowed time.
The Byrds were shite after Crosby left. Their last decent album was Notorious Byrd Brothers and that's because his influence is all over it...
This is the poorest recording of the Byrds. The earliest Byrds recordings were the best when Gene Clark was writing most of their material. This was something that gave Clark a lot of the royalties, something that the band members could not tolerate. Even though Crosby was a better guitarist he had not yet developed his writing skills. (Clark was not permitted to perform & play his guitar.) Gene Clark had a storehouse of great songs that were liked by the producers. To my understanding Gene Clark left on his own. I saw them live in Passaic NJ. The volume was unbearable, the mix extensively poor & no vocals could be heard. Even though they were one of my favorite bands that concert was trash.
This is dreadful! Pretty close to the beginning, I'd guess, of arguably the longest, slowest most torturous decline from the heights they occupied along with a very few of the best, in terms of talent and creativity, in the history of rock music, and certainly American rock music. The 40% of the band with the creative drive and integrity had bolted by this time, as is evident here. And surely they're hoping, from wherever they are, you listen no further than The "Byrds" first five albums.
While less consistent than the first five, there is still some excellent material on those post-Crosby Byrds albums, which are worth a lot more than the trashing you're giving them here! "This Wheel's On Fire", "Chestnut Mare", "Just A Season", "The Ballad Of Easy Rider", "Lover Of The Bayou", "Bad Night At The Whiskey", "Kathleen's Song", "Gunga Din", "Jesus Is Just Alright", "All The Things", "Child Of The Universe"--it's a very different band but still a worthwhile one, and live with Clarence Thomas they had considerably more muscle on stage than the original band. The reunion album from 1973 is also pretty underrated.
@@spiritof6663 I fully
forgive you your bad taste in Byrds' music and the unremarkable list of post -Notorious songs you cited to "prove" your point, on the strength of your revelation that Clarence Thomas, the most odious U.S. Supreme Court Justice in living memory, was at one time a member of the band! Likely played the electric "lyre". If you'd included the even more odious wife on tambourine you could've said, "Gene who?" Much respect to you, Spirit. Thanks. "Live they had more muscle," indeed!
@@davidmurray2539 Since this reply was so nonsensical, I'll refrain from blasting you over your silly dismissal of all those great Byrds songs.
@@spiritof6663 Agree to disagree is really the best way to move forward with "opinion" discussions. You won't be easily forgotten, Spirit of 66. Have a great day and a genuine thanks for the genius level non sequitur.
@@davidmurray2539 I'm never easily forgotten; just remember, my non sequiturs are better than yours. Have a great day!