This is Why You Roll Worse against White Belts in BJJ
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- Опубликовано: 8 авг 2017
- Are you a White Belt in Brazilian Jiu-jitsu who feels better when they roll with a Higher Belt?
This is the question I received from Brianda who asked,
" I've been training for four months and I know I'm improving a lot (everybody tells me), but when I roll with white belts. Why do I feel like I can't do anything? When I roll with higher belts everything goes better and I can practice all the movements and submissions I've learned, is it normal?
In this Chewy ramble video I discuss this common situation in Brazilian Jiu-jitsu. When it boils down to it this is caused by a couple things.
A higher belt (Blue Belt, Purple Belt, Brown Belt, Black Belt) is in much better control of the roll and is much more relaxed. And oftentimes higher belts will play down a little bit during BJJ training to allow the newer students to move around and attempt their techniques a bit.
This relaxed state is usually fueled by the fact that the higher belt can finish the roll and gain the upper hand at any point.
In contrast you might roll worse against a White Belt. This is because a white belt does not have the security of being more advanced technically. So, instead they are fighting life and death when pitted against another beginner during a Brazilian Jiujitsu class.
The roll then takes on a much more aggressive nature and makes it more difficult to execute techniques.
I go into more detail in the video and share a few stories. But in short, yes this is a normal situation.
If you're running into this as a BJJ White Belt. I hope the video is helpful!
Thanks!
-Chewy
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on my first day i tapped a black belt... sure he told me what to do at each step... but seriously it was all me baby.
if he told you he let you. he could of smashed you at any point easily
When the brown belts let you butterfly sweep them and take their back
Lmao 😂
S K dude, be better than this
@@scottyk1763 wooshhh
"Why do I roll better against higher belts?" Because they let you
Truth. I'm still a white belt but my professor let me roll with him because we have small classes and odd numbers sometimes. I've been in awe that he's cool like that, and never take that for granted.
This, definitely... but also higher belts tend to work on their worse tehniques with u so u have a chance to do something, and they get practice... while at least WB here in my gym do wverything with strength only
@@DjuleGamingMain I just started my first day the other day and got to roll with a big guy. He was stronger and definitely better at grappling than I am right now but I did have some grappling experience from seminars at my old martial arts places. So at one point I got him in a high mount and said "I'm used to punching people from here I don't know what else to do!" Lol I've noticed that ground fighting especially isn't very intuitive except for using strength for resisting whatever the other guy is trying to do and hoping you get lucky. Anything other than that requires training to ground fight. Without that you really have no choice other than getting off the ground.
@@CoffeeSnep Or just have the big guy lay there on you. hhahaha
0:50 To answer your question really quickly
It's kinda like when the lion cub bites an adult males tail or leg, the male lion will fake pain and roll over a little allowing the cub to get on top. Helps hone their killer instinct
Thank you Tito Ortiz
Yep. What father never let their kid beat them up while play fighting right. :)
The reason is always one: "Because they let you!!" A purple can really destroy a white belt to the point that he is unable not just to make a technique, but to the point that the white belt will be unable to move. Im training BJJ 5-6 months and if u have a basic IQ level, it's obvious that the colour belts let us try stuff because they want to help us white belts to improve. This is not only helping us, but them as well because it's a great way to try defences to our mediocre offences with safety and see if they work.
LOL
bro I subbed black belts before I even started BJJ, on the reg...
down at the S&M club saturday nights
@Jose Florian hah
There are other factors than belt color…age, weight, prior experience in other grappling. Sometimes a purple. May not be able to handle a white belt. I am a blue belt and I’m quite a bit older. A young guy with wrestling experience may well get the better of me.
It is crazy to believe that as a white belt you would be able to submit a brown belt. If you are having difficulties submitting a white belt it goes without saying that submitting any colored belt is almost a mission impossible. I honestly find success in small things when rolling with colored belts; not getting submitted 4 times in 3 minutes, not losing 17:0 in first 2 minutes then getting submitted and so on and so on. :) I still love it. Still learning. Every role is a positive one
This is true in decent gyms... but there are a few gyms around here that, if you pay them for a month or two they just hand you a blue belt. I showed up to one of those Gyms (didn't know the pay to progress scheme yet) because a buddy of mine was going there, he was a limp noodle and a blue belt. I wrestled for 14 years so I knew how to use leverage to my advantage, along with some basic (probably poorly performed) subs just from screwing around with submissions and watching too much MMA.
This guy at the gym was a "black belt" after just 2 years of training, and I knew him from wrestling because I had went against him in tournaments before. He was a pretty horrible wrestler, but he had only wrestled for 3 years so you cant expect high quality in 3 years. Needless to say, he wasn't any better at BJJ and it wasn't because he was going easy on me, as after 3 minutes he was panting/exhausted and I was only going about 40-50% like the coach told us to.
Seeing this, his coach had me go against him again at the end of training, starting in his guard (giving the black belt the better position over someone not even a white belt??) The coach told him not to allow me to pass guard, and take any submission I gave him. Needless to say I didn't get submitted, and passed guard pretty quickly.
Turns out their coach promoted everyone based on amount of time trained, not on their abilities or performance. 5 of the coach's 6 Black belts had gotten their black belts in 2 years.
Culvey wow, that's terrible. How did that coach even get his black belt? Lol
@@gerardddd There's a club I went to where they're promoting just on attendance, it's not as bad as the guy above but it's pretty bad. There's a load of 3 stripe white belts still trying to choke when you have them mounted and they hold on sub attempts for far too long when they're nowhere near landing it. The professor there just got his first stripe on his brown belt, then went to a seminar about a month later and was awarded his black belt. It can't be good for BJJ that there's club's like this. I go to a Roger Gracie Academy now and everyone there is very good for their rank and the professor won't leave you alone until you can demonstrate what he's teaching perfectly.
@@jimmynich4791 yep. The curse of the McDojo doesn't care about what system you're learning.
@@Culvey Sounds like the gym had a retention problem and he was probably desperate for money. Steer clear of these "gym's".
Had this experience in Judo. Actually made a total arse out of myself (I now realise) by celebrating after I got a couple good throws and taps on one of our best black belts during randori. It wasn't in an arrogant way or anything just like "wow, I can't believe I actually did alright there". The next time I rotated round to him he threw me around like a rag-doll. I was just in full-on survival mode. If I wasn't sprawling I was turtling. That's when I realised how big the gap between me and a black belt is. I still cringe when I think about it.
Lmao this video is lit... this reminds me of a new white belt at my gym, he “tapped” me out and celebrated. He started screaming across the mat and everyone just kind of stopped and stared. I sat on my butt and motioned to him “come here”. When he came over again, we rolled again and I smashed him.
I mean my guy was happy I'll give him that😂
Lmao couldn’t just give the guy his one happy moment
@@edwardguillen4381 he tried but buddy had to try and rub it in
It kills me when lower belts brag about what they do against higher belts, as if they weren't totally allowing it. The truth is, the inexperienced never know the mindset of the more experienced grappler, whether they are working on something specific, rolling to see what the lower belt can see/do, or just rolling to get the exercise in and stay conditioned. I hope they stick it out long enough to realize the reality of the situation.
If you can’t hit your techniques on white belts, your techniques don’t work.
Exactly. I’m a white belt but I roll better with other white belts because I soak up so much from the upper belts including how to have great technique
right, like it's fine if it's harder but... after a while you should, in her case four months, she should be able to at least get some techniques to work. If not than start thinking "what am i doing wrong, what am i doing right" and start working from there. I'm a white belt myself (3 months) and boy was it hard when i started rolling with other white belts, but now i can get a couple of finishes here and there
also when im rolling with ppl that are bellow my rank i go easy as well, unless they start to get cocky just bc im also a yt belt asiuhdaiushe then i amp up
If a colored belt just instantly dominates you, you won't really learn anything. If they let you get some control in certain positions and give you the opportunity to advance or maintain control you can learn how to apply that to rolling with someone who is closer to your experience level. It's all about letting you learn in the moment.
plus they are sometimes experimenting with things they are shit at because you are so easy to control, its a win win lol
Good topic.. I've been in both situations.. as a newbie fighter I sometimes thought I was actually dominating higher belts and with time I realized the best way to learn is to flow with your rolls. Use little to no strength and try to gain better positions technically. Nowadays I hardly use any energy, even if I'm grappling with a more technical opponent. It just lets me see what they do and adopt their techniques. BJJ is a serious life changer. 9 years into my journey and I still get to feel like a white belt with some people, it's fascinating.
At my gym, the higher belts smash you. Not necessarily in a mean way, but they absolutely do not allow a lower belt to tap them or even complete a set up. It's just the culture.
yea... after you get blue, its free game after that.
That’s an interesting culture
Sounds like a culture of not learning. What do the upper belts gain from this? Ego points for repeatedly tapping someone who had no clue? They never get to practice escapes against inexperienced opponents. Seems like a waste of time rolling at your gym if you aren’t similar levels
@@aqdjbcr I feel like I learn heaps getting smashed, I've never got close to completing anything in a live roll vs higher belts they smash me every time and I love it. I can start imitating them and adjusting technique and then using it on other white belts, works great
Brandon London, this means if you don’t have new people, the guys on the bottom of the food chain will never improve.
I get whooped by everybody. I'm lucky if I don't get tapped. I may surprise someone once or twice but other than that I'm making progress.
me and u both buddy :D
Aye making progress is progress. Keep going.
getting stronger one tap at a time
im in the same boat. but the way i look at it if i keep showing up, trying my best and being respectful the progress will naturally come. can't do anything more than your best. sounds cliche but that's the mentality i have as a white belt.
No, I definitely submitted that choral belt on my second day...
This is a very good topic. What I've seen is: white belts will try as hard as they can to execute the technique they learned that day. Conversely, their opponents (also white belt) will fight tooth and nail to prevent it. This often leads to nothing getting accomplished or the stronger white belt winning.
There's nothing wrong with this, but what I found helpful was to write, draw or memorize a learned technique and try it again later to see if it fit my tool box of techniques. Because eventually, the tool box becomes full and you begin to pick out which tools work best for you.
Totally. Two white belts going at it, it's competitive. When it's a higher belt, there's no competition. The higher belt has nothing to prove, doesn't feel the need to "compete" with you, because they already KNOW they'd beat you every time.
lol, I always thank higher belts when they allow me to use techniques. I also like to let THEM know that I both appreciate and respect what is happening.
I have quite frustrating rolls with a lot of the higher belts, where I'm stuck in side control a lot, but there's this one white belt that I roll with and we have epic rolls, I guess we're perfectly on each others level so we have a back and forth roll
Okay okay okay. Chewie, thank you for articulating this. I’m barely 2 months in and the “how hard should I go?” answer has been alluding me until now.
Can’t wait for my next class so I can start practicing slowing down and chilling out during my rolls. I cringe to think about my approach up until now.
I’m sending your videos to my 17 year old. Your breakdowns, instruction, and humble approach is excellent for us new students.
I'm pretty confident to say that if you are a white belt and you submit a good blue belt or higher, just go ahead and THANK THEM afterward for teaching you.
Your speech pattern/body language reminds me of elliott hulse for some reason.
Budo Jutsu 100%.
Budo Jutsu i agree lol
Chewie gives off less of a psychotic vibe though
But not as crazy...
I’ve thought this for awhile
This is so true!!!! I am a one-stripe white belt (who has had experience training years ago but paused for a few years so I humbly started over), and it's much easier to roll with more experienced white belts, or higher belts. It's a much smoother roll with more defined technique/foundations. It's much easier to detect the mistakes I've made, and I end up getting better.
When I roll with newer white belts, I don't mind (because we all started there); however, I actually always end up getting knocked around and bruised. Newer white belts use all muscle and struggle a lot, and when I roll, even as a white belt I'm at 10-40% (depending on who I roll with). Rolling with newer white belts, my technique is much worse. Occasionally I am able to get a submission (and am usually able to pass guard, get in mount, etc.). It's just a rough ride though. I just wanna say 'dang, slow down,' but I don't wanna 'coach' at the same time or make them think I'm just trying to beat them. I am a bit older (in my 40s) and don't necessarily like the extra rough rolling.
This video is inspiring me to talk to my professor about it. Thanks.
I do a 50/50 roll with lower ranks. 50% playful for the first half, trying to meet them just below their level so they can work their entire game and submissions, even pointing out obvious mistakes. Then the second half I roll harder with them, making them defend more. I will only roll 100% with other Brown/Black belts that are in a mutual combat mode:)
Hey chewy, just wanted to say thanks for all the videos, I always enjoy your two cents and you always make a lot of sense. Also, to reflect on this video, I would add that there's the "code". What I mean by that is that it can feel more bumpy and hard to flow through positions with a white belt because they are less used to the transitions. Rolling creates habits white belts are not used to which can make you feel like it's not going the way it's supposed to. Of course this is tightly mixed with the fact that higher ranks will most likely go easy on you and play along.
I like rolling with the higher belts because they aren't as aggressive and they don't rely on their strength. Most of the white belt guys just crush me
You sound like a female
@@alonzodiablito209 considering her name is "Jaimee", I'd say that's a safe bet
This videos are fantastic, started bjj in December, I’m hooked!! Wish I’d done it years ago.
A similar problem I've encountered as a higher level white belt.: A lot of Brazillian Jiu-Jitsu instruction works on assumption that your opponent knows what they're doing. For example, your other video this week, that shows how to do a Kimura off of a standard guard pass.
When I roll with Blue Belts, I don't win, but I roll BETTER. I secure better grips, I do proper position transitions, and I set up Submission attempts properly. With lower white belts, it's not just that I can get away with more, but I'm reacting to someone moving 'against the rules'. They start rolling stupid, and I start rolling stupid back. I catch lots of submissions, but they're not submissions I should have, and I'm not working my fundamentals, and because they're going all power, I have to power back, frequently, my technique just isn't good enough to force them into 'conventional' patterns.
What's the best way to get a good roll with a spazzy white belt, when you're a less spazzy white belt?
Ask the upper belts for advice, read articles, watch videos, keep refining your basics. Try and focus on one goal for a week or a month, like passing guard, or escaping mount. Once you start meeting your goals, you'll notice the rolls going your way more and more. You'll start ending up on top, you'll stop having to defend submissions as often and start attacking more. Making tiny positional goals helped me improve a lot and I still go back to those same goals to prepare for competitions. I hope this helps :)
The secret to rolling with spazzy white belts is to not use jiujitsu on them.
Like you said most advanced techniques are really just responses to jiujitsu style movement. So if they aren't moving in that way then the set ups for the techniques dont appear.
Plus when someone is really spazzy (moving as fast as possible with maximum strength) you need to match their energy in order to hit jits techniques on them. But at those levels of spaz you lose control which makes it tricky to hit techniques safely.
The solution here is to not use jiujitsu on them, beat them with proper base and control. When people spaz like that if you just slow down and let them spaz into bad positions then you can get top control and slowly crush them to death as they blow all their energy trying to get out.
Look at it like a constricting snake. Just pressure cook them, and as they make mistakes spazzing around: you tighten your hold.
I started three weeks ago. I noticed this right off the bat. I was rolling with the higher belts just to seek opportunity to learn. Sure enough that wouldn't let me submit but instead they let me defend myself more. And if I clearly left myself open they took them opportunity and that alone has been my best teacher.
If someone that I know is better than me, I just thank them. I've always thought the idea is not to smash at upper levels, but to teach. There are some freaks in the world where belt rankings don't matter -- Jon "Bones" Jones. But the older you get you realize that those people are rarer than rare.
How clueless does someone have to be to not realize this?
It's better it gets addressed, all said and done. Props to Chewie for destroying white belt delusions of grandeur.
perolito83 I guess some people haven't been humbly choked yet. Lol
Lol a LOT of newbie white belts are this stupid. These are the sorts who normally also never did sports or any combat athletics so they legit are too stupid to realize their error.
I think that it's easy to not realize this as we are often not given real tests of our abilities or ego, so it's easy to not understand where you actually are on the learning curve. Like a Dunning-Kruger effect or something.
Hey bro actually it's funny I've been training for a while now and I just convinced my friend to start doing jujitsu anyway he's pretty physically athletic but being that he is still a white belt he is not able to do anything and I was talking to him the other day and he was telling me how now he's able to roll with a purple belt at a high-level and I laughed I told told him politely but he wouldn't hear it
Im a white belt (I am 15 years old) and I occasionally roll with colored belts. I knew since the beginning that they would go slow on me. They would do this primarily due to my weight class, age, and belt. I enjoyed it because I was able to tryout new techniques, and could potentially use those techniques in the future. Whenever I roll with white belts, the majority of the time they would go all out. As a result, this provided me with a challenge and I was one step closer to being able to kick ass. I remember the first few times I rolled with the higher belts that I became upset. I was upset because these guys were constantly going easy on me and my instructor even told them to go easy. I hated whenever my opponents never went 100% because their reasoning for the most part was that I am a kid. I have learned to embrace it as time went on as I can practice techniques. So I guess this is my little story regarding this girls situation
DarknessWillNeverHoldMeBack cool story now go make me a sandwich
I'm 30 and it was really pleasurable to hear a young man, half of my age, be so kind and modest. That's the path towards wisdom my young friend. Never lose that attitude and you will learn always more than whoever doesn't adopt it. May the traveler's wind be always your friend
One day kid you will be a black belt !! I am sure of that
Man, you speak and explain exactly like Elliot Hulse from Strength Camp. Love it.
It might be the format of the Q&As. But either way I'm glad you enjoy the videos.
@chewjitsu really appreciating the detail in the video description. Good work, like always!
Dude you are so spot on! Thank you chew-jitsu :)
Correct me if im wrong, but isn't one aspect of that also, that white belts are a little more spastic, chaotic and random, whereas after you've been doing it for a little bit of time there's a bit more synchronization and cadence. Like if you were learning a language; trying to implement a technical aspect of a language would be very difficult with someone else who also isn't very fluent in that language, but an experienced speaker will fall into that flow with you and understand what you're saying.
I think this is it. At least for me. I got my first sub on a blue belt who definitely did not want to get submitted. It was the spasiest keylock ever. Another blue belt let out a big "For fucks sake" when I got out of an arm bar into side control. It's a little hard to believe he was letting me get out when he was audibly so frustrated with himself.
love the advice you give. I've only just begun my journey and had my first roll today.
I didn't actually get to roll with the blue belts they just showed me how to break guard and some drills we did in the class on side control. but there was another white belt he was a larger kid then me and we actually got to roll. I had no idea what to do but at one point I wrapped my legs around his head and arm and tried to lock it in but he broke it and attempted to pass my guard. I understand what you mean though because me and him were for sure going at it. I cant wait to keep on learning and pushing forward. I watch a bunch of your videos for the advice or questions I feel relate to me. you rule brotha. thanks for the awesome videos
keep it playful, as a higher ranked belt it's your responsibly to build up those with less experience and show them the ropes.
Well said! I truly believe this and do not give two craps about getting tapped by lower ranking belts. As long as they learn, I learn, we have fun, thats the goal.
I realized from day one that I know nothing and am there to learn everything and appreciate the higher belts putting aside ego to help me in my journey. Even the more seasoned white belts at my gym have been very gracious. I'm thankful that so far I have had nothing but respect and humble teaching when rolling from others.
Never noticed how fast you talk!! lol Some amount of info in 4:41, fair play!
yeah I'm a fast talker. I get hyper and start rambling.
Chewjitsu competing at Nashville this weekend ? grappling games!
your videos are brilliant really helps!!
Upper belts use me as a rest stop when they're too tired to roll with other upper belts and then lazily don't defend against me until I get too far. Sometimes I would trash talk them to make them try again and then I'd quickly get the crap beat out of me.
Thanks for the great content! Keep them coming
It’s always good to let less skilled people have success but never let them get the finish
This is true. As a white belt I have rolled with a brown or purple letting me work, and a brown who turns it up. turned up, literally nothing works. I am 200 lbs and in really good shape. I used to wresttle. I still get rect by colored belts.
I think there's something to be said about getting used to the system and rolling within the same system with the same guys who do the same stuff. When white belts roll they are not familiar with it and will do random stuff outside of your expected actions/reactions.
A lot of the color belts I roll with will actually give me instructions and try to help me do stuff to them when we are rolling. Then when they decide to fuck me up, they do it in like 5 seconds. I appreciate them for being willing to help me learn some stuff.
I think a part of what can make a white belt difficult to maneuver is that they are so unpredictable. When you are with a higher belt they are in positions that you've learned, they are doing moves that you've learned. You may not have the proficiency to stop or counter them but you understand what's up. Where as the white belt maybe doesn't have a clue so they are doing moves that aren't really moves, or they are in positions that just don't make sense. And it leaves you wondering what the hell am I supposed to do with this guy it's so awkward.
I've also been having this experience with judo guys who have just recently crossed over into jiu-jitsu and you would think they would already have a grasp of the fundamental concepts of jiu-jitsu, but that isn't always the case. I had a judo (green belt in judo) guy trying to submit me while in my guard which we all know is a huge no no.
I'm a white belt and I somewhat disagree with this. I've been training for a little over 16 months but although I don't necessarily think it's easier to roll with blue belts I think I roll better with them. when I roll with other white belts at my academy it's more like a brawl rather than a match and I can't really anticipate what they will be doing because they don't know what they will be doing. But when I roll with blue belts I can predict what they are going because they will probably do something that they should be doing, this gives me the chance to do better set ups and what not.
Lol, no
ya wish
who upvoted this lol
Someone get their mans 🤣🤣💀
did you even watch the video ya clown
I am a white belt and I once tapped a black belt. I was a bit angry because it felt like charity that I did not deserve.
Azam Alonaizy he let you, trust me
darian you didn't read the whole comment. He said it felt like charity he didn't deserve. Basically he didn't appreciate what seemed like pity. Obviously the black belt let him, that's the whole point.
SevenRiderAirForce Lol ya
@@sien481 r/whooosh
SevenRiderAirForce no thats not what i read. I dont understand weird humor
Chewy there are so many BJJ RUclips pages it’s overwhelming. I’ve decided to just watch yours. You are super clear and it’s better to have one go to guy for now. Thanks for all the free game.
slowing down is different to letting someone tap you. No one needs to think they're better than they are
To be honest I am extremely afraid of white belts and most of the blue belts.
Sure, I have blue myself but I somehow think higher belts are able to "take" my reckless scramble without getting injured. I feel I have permission to release my rage. For me it is easier to trust higher belts they actually understand what I am doing, where my limbs, balance and power is even if I don't have a clue what the hell I am doing.
On the other hand I don't trust lower belts, whites and blues are able to adjust and manage these things correctly. I don't believe they are always able to understand there's two person and it's dangerous. I am not myself always able to understand and monitor consciously what the hell they are doing. Where their limbs are and if there's something potentially fatal.
I'd say "being a 'higer' blue belt is.. exciting".
I've wondered this myself. Glad I'm not alone!
Early on I was kindly told by my black belted instructor, "if you would have escaped the arm bar it's because I let you."
ITs the same for a purple or brown belt. You only escape if they let you lol. They let you because they don't want to restart
2:43..thats exactly how it is at my MMA gym. On BJJ nights during the week we have a brown belt named Todd come in and help teach our fighters and students. And he is always going at about 30 or 40 percent and is just so damned experienced that he lets you roll and make you work to pass a guard and half asses a submission. I uh...talked a little shit and was playing with him and had the confidence that I could maybe get a submission...needless to say when we rolled he made me feel like a day one white belt 😂 taught me a big lesson in humbleness. I love BJJ and am about to start GI training at an actual jiu jit su gym. BJJ and muay Thai are my favvvvvvss. Anyways thank you for the videos, I love your content
I just realized last night that I play up/down to my opponents. I was just promoted to 4 stripe white belt 2 days ago and at my school, the professor doesn't let upper belts perform any arm bars on white belts until 4 stripes. So last night I rolled against 3 different purple belts and none of them tapped me out, yet I rolled with a newer white belt and he tapped me twice (once with an armbar). This is a common theme for me, where the upper belts don't usually tap me but the white belts do. Should I be turning it up against the newer white belts?
This guy totally looks like Dan Bilzerian.
This is true in reverse too though...now, I've trained no-Gi a ton, but in Gi I'm just a 1-stripe white belt (mainly because I'm in college and I can only really train at my home school where I hold rank over summer break, if at all).
There's this 3-stripe blue belt at my gym. She's a smaller girl, sweet as can be, and incredibly technical. I'm a much taller and lankier wrestling-style top player. In our rolls, I have to tone down my strength because I could just wrestle and smash her, and she has a very flow style anyways. But she in turn makes me think far more about the intricacies of my technique because I'm forced to turn my strength down. Often our rolls become stalemates but with an incredible amount of position changes.
Anyways, I thought I'd just offer a somewhat unique perspective on this. I really love rolling with her too :) as much as I like a good ole fashioned wrestling scrap, that almost-flow style of Jits is really fun to play too.
Although coloured belts school me for some strange reason I enjoy rolling with them. I'm a white belt but when I spar anothet white belt it's really rough. I feel like when I spar a white belt it feels like they just wana smash and pass which has caused me to get injured a few times.
I always roll "slow and low" with new white belts and let them tap me a lot, just so they can work their moves. Once I've seen they have been there for 6+months and have decent base, I still roll slow and low 99% of the time,, but I also tell them when I will pick it up, so they can also get a feel of how proper technique can feel when being applied a bit faster.
LOL, I had a funny experience recently where a white belt thought he was dominating me while he had my back. When I realized he genuinely thought he had the upper hand, I just casually turned around, broke guard, passed, and took side control. He asked me after, "did I at least earn the back take?" I just smiled back. :)
xD
a white belt win: i escaped to side control on a purple belt that's 30 pounds lighter...oh, and it was mostly because they let go of a back control and it was their 5th roll. But side control... :))
I just started yesterday 1st day. Was rolling with a purple belt. He was letting me do whatever. He could have killed me if he wanted..
Makes perfect sense. Chewjitsu ftw! 👍
I am a white belt. But I do turn it down. Oh some people so I understand how to get something out of a roll. You can just tell after a while. I did start at a young age like 16 so I had prior knowledge. I don't remember tone it down until coming back after 12 years
Honestly, at where I train i struggle against some of the newer guys even though I've been there for a year, and they themselves have only been there a few months. Makes all my progress feel kinda shallow
Theres this one woman in the gym and we were doing rolling and she is a one stripe white and she honestly believes that she should be a purple belt. All of us in the gym are conscience that she is 1 new and 2 a woman so we take it easy so i'll let her pass my guard so will all the other guys and she publicly said "when am i getting my purple belt. I tapped you you you you i passed your guard and your guard" i just sorta sat there and let it play out its all sorted now tho😂
thats annoying af
Excellent video, i think this is useful fo those white/blue belts who suddenly feel they are ready for UFC and stardom ;)
Now this is freaky! Do you listen in to the conversations I have with my instructor and post a video on it. Ha ha it's happened a couple of times now.
I was having this same conversation the other day - even as a blue belt I feel more gassed after a roll with a white belt, than I do with another blue or purple.
I do listen. . . 0_0
Chewjitsu that's it! The tin foil hat is coming back out of storage, man. Ha ha
i love rolling with higher belts in bjj because they work me super hard but also make me feel like ive got a fighting chance
Lol!! First , I do admit I’m getting better but when I roll with my professor; my main emphasis is to get better and to make sure I roll hard and never quit and give up ! My professor when he rolls with me he goes easy and hard but I know he’s letting me work ! Just last week we rolled and he could of choked me out 5 times but he resisted because he wants me to work ! Makes sense! If he wanted to he could of choked me out the first time but he wants me to work and keep fighting ! But, I’m never going in there to submit a black belt or brown belt ! Be humble and enjoy the journey ; we are not supposed to join bjj ti brag about our rolling sessions ! It’s not proper etiquette
I’ve realized as a white belt that if I get the real upper hand on a black belt or brown or even purple belt that it’s likely because they let me. I’ve changed my method of not trying to go for submissions as much and just try to pressure grapple and not get submitted as much. Coming from a wrestling background I love doing that and I usually notice the more tired they get the more I can work on my techniques. Hopefully by the time I’m a higher belt it will pay off and I can start tapping these guys lol
I'm an engineer. I am acutely aware of all the things I don't know. If anything, I get frustrated sometimes when upper belts just let me do stuff - I don't learn much. I like the guys who make me pay for stupidity - they're better teachers. For example, I have improved my don't-get-armbared-like-a-stupid-fuck game thanks to them. They can also diagnose your actual weak-points rather than opine on how you do in a basically fictitious scenario.
I'm a white belt and I still take it easy on females who are upper belts lol. The strength difference overcoming technique is too much.
I actually did submit a black belt in judo after just a couple of months of doing it but it was during the ground portion of training and even though I had only done judo for 6 months, I did bjj for a few years
how the fuck do they not realize the higher belts are giving them the openings? lol I feel bad rolling against higher belts because they act like slow children and I get them in a submission and I never want to try and complete it because i know the higher belt just gave it to me.. i feel like a charity case.
When I first started, this really big 4 stripe purple belt helped me a ton. He'd let me get into certain positions and then correct me if my base was off or something just to teach me where I went wrong. For example, riding too high on back mount against his turtle.... one little move, and I was falling over his head.
the solution to most of these dilemmas is "have fun and be willing to learn new stuff without being too rigid"
What about if I actually roll better with higher belts? My teacher has told me several times that I roll way better with him than with anyone else. I definitely agree, its like I reach a new level when I'm going against someone way better
Lol, the only time this is true, is when you outweigh them by 40lbs or more; and even then it can often turn out for the worse. I often out-weighed my gym partners by 30lbs at least, and this was the case; but if I went against a purple belt, they felt it was a challenge. A no-strip purple I outweighed by 50 lbs locked me down and choked me out in 30 seconds. No brown belt I rolled with thought it was worth their time; and the few black-belts who did were typically doing it for the pure benefit of feeling wrestling pressure, and maybe a small glimpse at some common habits they might take advantage of.
I'm 245lbs and they were all training in 10x gravity, slow-mo grappling me. It wasn't fair, and I hurt some much lighter blue-belts by accident; before yeeting my shoulder-blade apart, on an already lost submission, against someone my own size. Can't wait to go back, but the bill isn't fun to look at; especially if you do tournaments often.
dunning kruger effect super hard
Same thing with striking. Someone who's been doing it 5 years+ sparring with some new dude with a few months. That one guy can go hard as hell and the experienced one can just use like jabs mainly some crosses and leg kicks just a lot more and hard and he'll think he had him but he was barely using the full range of his skills. Floyd could beat most people with just his jab alone.
So i come from a no gi backround with mma and have recently taken up the gi, and im not tapping to alot of the blue belts on the regular and seems they think im sand bagging i can feel thier frustration when we roll and it seems to get more serious when i roll with them. What can be done to calm things? Do i let them get thier techniques or do i match thier intensity?
Do they know you trained no gi before? I'd start with letting them know that
MrGunfunfun yes the instructor and teammates do
MrGunfunfun even with knowing i have no gi experience i get asked if im sure im a white belt, and i tell them ive never done gi before which is true should i talk to the instructor? Its a gracie barra school
Tyler Kelly I would just say that I trained a lot of no gi so in a gi I'm technically a white belt. I would say it depends on the competitiveness of the roll, against no stripe-2 stripe white belts I would let them work a little or just focus on a different side of your game than your A-game. Focus on getting good grips and cross collar chokes and Ezekiel's and get familiar with the gi game. I have a similar issue since my gym promotes almost exclusively on showing up for designated promotion days and I'm often busy on those days so I'm a 3 stripe white belt who taps most of the blue belts.
yes this school promotes it seems based primarily on attendance as well, thank you for your input this helps a lot.
The dude I went against today said I was the most aggressive white belt he has ever seen and I can be invited to the advanced class and I earned his respect and he wasn’t going easy
1. Ken
2. Joseph
3. Dan
These are the three white belts at my local school that cause the most problems. Crazy unpredictable movements with no technical skill that continue to hurt students each week. I purposely avoid these guys, and just roll with the blues and purples. A lot more interesting, and a lot more fun.
this happens at my club all the time.... my fellow white belts are spazzy and want to beat me. my purple belts and higher try to teach me or see what ive learned by giving me options... on occasion they turn it up and smash me haha.
Scott Auger its always the white belts with the egos and have no prior experience in any martial arts.
I'm a white belt of 7months and I honestly hated rolling against new white belts. They are either really easy or they go way to hard. I feel like I make the most progress with blue belts because they know how to tone things down until I start locking onto something and at that point they will do whatever they can to escape. I kinda feel bad for the people that had to roll with me when I was new.
@kyhoon14 i dealt with that a week ago.... two brand new white belt of about a week and one just tried to rip my arm off with an arm bar but luckily for me, when he shot back to lock it in I spun out and he didn't land it.... I did get a bit pissed at that and arm triangle the shit out of him after that... that was his second class and I was rolling with the original intention to help him learn and not just smash him.... planned changed quick after that haha
@Scott Auger that's the point where you let them know that it's not speed that gets you an armbar. The armbars I land are setup slowly with really tight control. The head of the gym doesn't roll fast either. He has insane defense and will slowly work his way into a submission that you just can't seem to stop unless maybe you're a brown or another black belt. Point is that if they have the arm bar they have the arm bar, and if they don't they shouldn't put other people in danger by trying to slam home submissions.
PS. Of course you see flashy arm bars sometimes, and if you spot an armbar that is easily snagged of course take it. Still trying to slam home an arm bar can really hurt someone.
You have to also consider that colored belts move better which also allowes you to move better
I recently joined BJJ, and i've already ran into a few go hard white belts that have been doing BJJ for 2 to 2 in a half years. Its all good to me, even though they don't give me a chance it gives me experience and soon enough i'll be able to get out of their traps. Just keep positive. Its a learning experience and it will take time to develop.
Fantastic advice.
Thanks Chad!
When I first started are Black belt coach and some upper belts would let you sub them but you had to hit the technique right
If upper belts didn’t do this, every white belt would quit after being smashed and subbed 10 times every roll and never getting a single chance to work on techniques.
I tapped my brown belt coach 😂 he was expecting it I split his legs and made him tap he forgot how to get out of it, what happens when you stop for a while 🤷🏻♂️ yeah baby 1-75
The first girl I rolled with in BJJ complained to the teacher, "He's going easy on me because I'm a girl!!!" No, it was actually because we were both white belts, and I wanted to learn how the techniques are supposed to feel. It pissed me off that she bitched to the teacher about me.
At the time, she had my back and was trying a rear-naked choke, so I just grabbed her wrists and pulled her arms apart. I couldn't believe how easy it was to do because her arms were so thin. I realized I was so much stronger than her that I didn't even need BJJ. It left a bad taste in my mouth about rolling with women.
Its funny I was very new at BJJ and first time sparring with a girl who was actually higher than me I was rolling with her and I outweighed her and had strength advantage by a bit and I could tell when she was going for moves, I kept blocking/countering them but I didn't have enough skill to actually beat her so It just became this stalemate where neither showed any real dominance. Honestly I couldn't tell who was taking it easy on who. I know it was probably frustrating for her but had I not had that strength weight I am pretty sure she would have schooled me and If she could have I really wished that she did so I knew where I actually was in skill.
As a white belt I've had the same experience rolling with a blue belt woman.
LunaticReason, Good point yet all you hear about in BJJ classes is that "size doesn't matter." It certainly does against lower belts and MMA has weight classes for a reason. One thing I find irritating is that there are women only classes and workshops, so the female students can only roll with other women if they choose. Yet, if a guy prefers to roll with guys, he's considered a problem.
Nepthu, not to be sexist or anything but I think there are women only classes due to their confidence level and comfort with rolling with males. I could see why considering some women may be there primarily for self defense against sexual assault so gyms may not want to scare away these women. I agree it's a bit of a double standard but that is the reality of the situation and they aren't considering how detrimental it can be for someone's personal development when your constantly paired with people constantly below your level which should I believe should only occur if your meant as an opportunity to teach/mentor.
It's one woman - not women in general. I roll with a few women at my gym and it's fine. Try again with someone else. After all, if you roll with one guy and he sucks, you're not going to just say "ok all guys suck" just because of one guy, right?
I do understand that there are less women doing BJJ so less chances to roll with them, your sample size is small and maybe yes on average there might be more who are whiny like the one you encountered. But it doesn't mean all women. They're individuals just like you and me, and you gotta try before making generalized statements.
I m a white belt, I m really strong but I know when a higher belt let me try a move, it s obvious that they don t go serious on me, when they do I tap so fast..
Interesting the question came from a girl. I'm a girl fighting with men predominantly. The white belts often tend to use strength and/or weight more than ability, especially the very new ones. The coloured belts are more compliant and because they're secure in their own abilities, they're happy to let you get the hold you're trying and therefore develop your confidence. I find BJJ gives a false sense of security at first: you don't always appreciate how easy the others go on you. That could be a good thing though because it allows you to practise what you've learnt and develop a better appreciation of the sport. At some point, a cog will click and you'll feel the real ability of the coloured belts.
As a white belt I know my limits. I understand that the higher belts might let me get away with a technique. What I concentrate on is what they are doing against me so I can think about it and attempt to add it to my arsenal
Very well said
Chewi when it comes time to roll my mind goes blank it like I forget everything, how do I stop that
Drill more
Jimothy Michaelz yes true
I’m a white belt that gets crushed by higher ranks. I’d say I perform best against bigger slower opponents regardless of rank. Speed kills and most smaller guys have “little man syndrome” and generally want to dominate everyone. I’m small to average myself 5’7 and 165 (the most I’ve ever weighed normally I’m at 135-150). Strength is nothing next to technique, speed and flexibility.
Haha female white belt thought she seriously tapped a brown belt...
Now that’s funny.
I almost tapped out a brown belt in guard. They simply were going easy on me and I shot up for an armbar and had it locked up but then I said that was too easy and then I got flipped and reversed lol. It was fun. They were letting me into positions so they could work escapes. What is the point for a purple plus to just smash you. ITs better for them to give you positions and they work out