The only thing I would say is that if you're surprised by something in scripture that's always been there and you are a believer, it could be that the Holy Spirit has just illuminated you to that particular truth, right? We know that the Bible is a living book and we get more out of it each time we read because God grows our understanding the more we spend time with Him.
Absolutely, I agree with you 100%…I was thinking the exact same thing coming from my own experience of that happening to me…the Holy Spirit allowing me to “see” and understand something that I had not noticed and perhaps wasn’t ready for previously. Praise God for giving us what we need when we need it…daily bread indeed 🥰
I was thinking this too. Also, the names in the Bible are so different from the names we are familiar with, so unless there's a gender-specific pronoun associated with that name, the reader might not know that that name refers to a female.
I’m curious if you have ever heard John Piper’s views on women? When he says that a women shouldn’t give a man clear directions because she would be usurping authority over him... People have been teaching for years that women are inferior and using the Bible to try to prove it. Transformed Wife is another one. She says women shouldn’t even go to college because it leads to them having power issues and divorcing often. You might think these are few and far between, but Piper, TW, even MacArthur have massive platforms. These same ministry’s would not approve of men learning from your very own ministry. Which is quite asinine. Beth Alison Barr comes from that world. A world I lived in for decades. She understands it very well. If you had experienced it, you’d understand her book better.
@@frankm6546 no kidding…I think that some people have been wonderfully blessed to not know the horrors of patriarchy. For those of us who have, we know exactly what Beth was saying and it’s plain as day. Personally I think that they are just trying to uphold “complimentarianism” by playing the “what problems? We don’t see any problems” card.
@@Revelation-cb1rb who said anything f about there being no differences? I just said they can preach and lead churches. The old excuse about eve being the bigger sinner than Adam doesn’t really hold weight with me when you study church history and see all of the big name Christian leaders falling.
@@frankm6546 Geez Frank - you obviously don't even know who or what the church is - I'll let the written word of God explain CHURCH TEMPLE AKA BODY OF CHRIST 👇 (COLOSSIANS 1:24) for his body's sake which is the "CHURCH" (the church is the body of Christ) (Acts 7:48) howbeit the most high dwelleth NOT in "TEMPLES" made with hands (it's not a building or religion) (Ezekiel 36:22,27) Therefore say unto the house of Israel, thus saith the Lord God; I do not this for your sakes, O house of ISRAEL but for mine holy name's sake I will put MY SPIRIT within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them (only Israelites promised the Spirit) (1st Corinthians 3:16) know ye not that ye are the "TEMPLE" of God and that the SPIRIT of God dwelleth in YOU (the you is israelites not heathen) (1st Corinthians 15:9) For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted THE CHURCH OF GOD (Paul persecuted Israelites NOT heathen) (Acts 7:37-38) This is that Moses, which said unto the children of ISRAEL This is he, that was in the" CHURCH" IN THE WILDERNESS (the "church" was in the wilderness) (Revelation 21:22) And I saw NO "TEMPLE" therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb ARE the TEMPLE of it (Revelation 11:1-2) And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the "TEMPLE " of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. But the court which is WITHOUT THE TEMPLE leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the GENTILES (lamentations 1:10) for she hath seen that the heathen entered into her "SANCTUARY"(temple) whom thou didst command that they should NOT enter into thy congregation (No gentiles can enter the temple aka body of Christ OT or NT) Who is the body of Christ Frank??
From what I've seen in complementarian churches ..yeah women are seen as inferior. How can one not be inferior if they are told "unless you do x y z" you are not doing what God wanted for your existence. And this is precisely what happens. Single women are really sadly devalued. Many singles did not want to be single, but nevermind that fact, married (often times women) will not listen to you in regards to anything spiritual. They become puffed up pride balls. Equally, men in these spaces do see women only as valuable if they can have children. So women over the age of 32 are really pushed into a "we don't like you, you don't look like us.". I've seen it over and over and over. Discipleship and serving Jesus becomes second place to being or becoming a stay at home stepford wife. It's unbiblical. Men and women do not have "roles," that bring them favor or righteousness with God. Scripture and verse. .oh wait there isn't one. There is much twisting of three verses Paul wrote. Ignoring key aspects of scripture like where Abraham was told to obey Sarah when sacrificing Isaac, or the numerous deacons who were male or female, or Christ telling the women first and they telling the apostles about the resurrection first. Males being created first doesn't give them predominance. Clearly men needed women. Unless you want to overlook that part or the dozens of examples in scripture where the firstborn ends up not being the chosen one. So you cannot use Genesis as an argument. It's absurd.
Some great points. 'Why haven't I read this before?' might actually mean for some: 'Why hasn't this passage been taught on in my church before?' From my experience some churches choose a topic and then cherry pick verses to support their view point. Whilst topic based teaching has a place, this can lead this type of 'suprise' for its congregation members..
@@karl323 Example 316 - show me the scripture where God says he loves the Moabites Canaanites Ishmaelites ammonites Ethiopians etc - rhetorical question - no such scripture exists OT or NT - obviously that scripture is cherry picked to create the false doctrine of modern day Christianity
It's nice that you recognize that the Bible has always taught that men and women are equal. The point that Beth Allison Barr is making is that complementarianism does NOT teach this. The inferiority issue she is talking about is the power imbalance that is created when you misinterpret Ephesians to say that women are subordinate to men on the basis of their gender. "Separate but equal" is never really equal. And this is NOT God's design as laid out in scripture, but it is what the complementarians read into it.
@@ethanweber7976 Are you seriously saying that adult women should be treated like children instead of adults? If so, you’re kind of making my point for me that complementarians devalue and disrespect women.
@@JenniHayward No my point is that children are also created in the image of God. He loves and values them as much as he loves their parents. Yet, they are called to submit. So it shows that a "power imbalance" does not indicate value or worth to God. This is not a straight 1 to 1 to the marriage relationship. I believe a great example for this is the trinity. God the Son submits to the authority and will of God the Father, and yet both are still God. Difference in roles or a "power imbalance" does not indicate a lack of equality or value.
Complimentarians are saying that women are less capable of leadership, yet these women are leading. Be consistent, Alisa! Are you a Christian leader? Yes, you are. I praise God for that. How about giving other women encouragement to use their gifts rather than telling them they need to take a subordinate role?
@@anthrop7998 The Church in the new testament really has two meanings. There is the Church universal which indicates the common, lifelong fellowship of believers. There is also the Church local which was the meetings of believers with the intended purpose of sitting under teaching, worshipping, and partaking in sacraments corporately. I am unsure about the purpose of your question, but you have replied to two of my comments and I can gather that you are NOT a fan of my viewpoints.
The thing about egalitarianism is that it actually diminishes women. God has a created order, men and women have their roles, roles that are different, but equally valuable. When we say that women have to be able to step into the role that God has given to men to be valuable, to be of worth, then we are saying that the role God has given to women isn't enough. It isn't worth as much. In a backhanded way, they are saying that men are better than women. God gave men the "good" jobs, because they're better. That, of course, is completely false.
My problem is that I feel these terms (i.e. egalitarianism) are too broad or not well-defined. You mentioned role and value, but what about “ability”? Is that that same thing as role? I’m just saying that the debate needs more conceptual clarity, otherwise, there’s confusion and/or no actual disagreement.
It's hard to argue with it from a human standpoint. Look how we treat women and girls and pregnant mothers. Look how we treat single mothers. The world hates women. Look how our Christian leaders cry and rage whenever the progressive left does something to help women who have not married. Egalitarianism dimishes NO ONE. It gives women freedom from overbearing men. It says "these rights are yours, and you may exercise them at any time." It does not say that you have to. Saying women and girls have no further use BUT servitude to men and parenting children is the diminishment. It reduces us to incubators and servants. It keeps us away from public discourse. It supposes that we are not FIT for ANYTHING ELSE but THESE THINGS. And for that reason men were bound from the start to treat us as lesser. Tucker Carlson says he thinks of women as primitive. Many right wing men feel this way. It is obvious in their actions and tone of voice when they speak to you.
For a deep dive study into Complementarianism vs Egalitarianism go to Mike Winger playlist women in ministry. He has not completed it yet, but there is 8 or 9 videos so far. So helpful in getting an understanding of this topic!
Mike is misrepresenting the Egalitarian position. The sources he uses are not representative of those of us who come from historically egalitarian denominations, which predate the secular feminist movement of the past 50 years.
These ideas are new to many because complementarianism has suprest the reading of Scripture to inhibit a view of women (from both men and women). These passages offer a basis for women as pastors, teachers, and leaders. Even in this discussion the hosts work to undermine the deeper meaning of the passages that Barr and others draw attention to. It's about being faithful to Scripture rather than this contemporary fringe movement.
So, you're both in favor of slavery? You've complained about other people taking texts out of context. You're taking the passage on marriage entirely out of context by ignoring the admonition to slaves to be obedient to their masters. If you believe women should obey men in marriage, then you also believe that owning slaves is acceptable. In other words, you're ignoring the overall point of the passage, which is that all are equal in Christ and all should support each other. Paul is declaring peace between men and women, and explaining to women that they no longer need to live in fear of the person they're married to because that person no longer has any excuse for abusing them.
As a Christian myself here's a question for all of you. Why do fundamentalist believers take every word of the Bible as totally correct, when no one, to my observation, has an answer to the exact quotes of Jesus, Moses, Samuel, etc. ? Would anyone be kind enough to answer me? Thanks.
Bible believers point to this verse: 2 Peter 1:21 (among others). "For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." This means that the entire Bible was inspired by God. He used humans to write things down (except the 10 commandments, notably - He wrote those with His own hand), but it was never their own opinions. He wrote it, His Spirit interprets it. Although I know that my finite mind can't understand all of it perfectly, since it is written by an infinite Being, I believe that His Word is true from the beginning (Psalm 119:160) and will always be kept and preserved by Him.
If your theology whatever you label it, requires that women can’t work, or go to school, or be an active leader in the church, or preach the gospel, then phoebe and junia at least would disagree.
Phoebe was possibly a deacon , which was not an authoritative position in the Early Church (see Acts 7). Women deacons persisted for centuries after, but there were objections against them baptizing and catechizing men. Junia ministered with her husband Andronicus; even if the best reading of Rom 16:7 is that they were both apostles, there is no evidence Junia would have stood up and led the gathered congregation of God’s people, as prohibited in 1 Cor 14:34-38. The earliest churches were communities that lived together, and there were plenty of opportunities for ministry outside of the large weekly gathering of the whole community.
@@frankm6546 That’s actually my position to your reply. You need to demonstrate 1) that Phoebe was a diakonos in the sense of the office (which I have no issue with theologically), and 2) you need to demonstrate that a woman in the office of diakonos exercised authority over men. Acts 7 gives us an entirely different view of what the office even entailed in the Early Church. As for Junia, I’m granting for the sake of argument she was an apostle alongside with Andronicus in the fullest sense of the word. (Most scholars agree they were married given how Paul groups them together, and that a traveling Jewish male-female missionary couple would almost certainly be married given the cultural background of the day.) I’m simultaneously trying to reconstruct what her ministry looked like given what Paul tells us were the gender practices of the earliest churches (1 Cor 11:2-16, 14:34-38).
@@matOpera The "church" is not a building religion or mixture of heathen ethnicities - arguing the position of women or other biblical topics is obviously above your pay grade if you don't even know who or what the church is - infact Christ Isaiah Peter the angel of the Lord n Paul make it clear that Christ's sacrifice was for ethnic bloodline Israelites ONLY ISAIAH (Isaiah 53:5,8) and with his "STRIPES" WE are healed He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of "MY PEOPLE" was he stricken PETER (1st Peter 2:24) Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that WE, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose "STRIPES" WE were healed GOD'S ANGEL (Matthew 1:21) And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save HIS PEOPLE from THEIR SINS (Matthew 2:6) 6And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule MY PEOPLE ISRAEL PAUL (Romans 9:3-5) For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for MY BRETHREN, my kinsmen according to the "FLESH" who are ISRAELITES; to whom pertaineth the ADOPTION, and the GLORY, and the "COVENANTS" and the giving of the LAW, and the service of God, and the "PROMISES" whose are the fathers, and of WHOM AS CONCERNING THE "FLESH" CHRIST CAME CHRIST (Matthew 15:24) I am NOT sent but unto the Lost sheep of the house of ISRAEL
@@Revelation-cb1rb I certainly do not intend that the church is a building; I’m sorry if there is something in my comment that left you with that impression. But the church (ekklesia) most certainly includes Gentiles. Paul uses the word ekklesia in 3 different ways throughout 1 Corinthians: 1. to refer to the church universal (1 Cor 1:2, maybe 10:32, 12:28, 15:9) 2. to refer to the local communities of God’s people (1 Cor 4:17, 6:4, 7:17, 11:16, 16:19a) 3. as a shorthand to refer to the church when it gathers for communal worship (1 Cor 11:18; 14:19, 23, 28, 34-35; 16:19b). Women prophecy “in the church” in senses 1 and 2 (1 Cor 11:16, 12:28), but they are to be silent in sense 3, specifically when the whole community is gathered for corporate worship (1 Cor 14:34-35).
What did the serpent tell Eve (and why Eve) in the Garden in Genesis 3:1? "Did God really say...?" This was essentially the planting of the germ of the idea into the first woman (at the very beginning of Man) that she was being held back from her fullest potential, not even by her man (Adam) that time, but by God Himself! This is the first challenge to God's order for mankind, directed at them, and it was cunningly targeted first at the woman (and continues to be, in many ways). What did God say in His judgment to Eve in Genesis 3:16? "Your desire shall be toward (another version says "contrary") to your husband...". I think that means that this internal struggle and contrarian inclination (to resist the man and the will to have/exercise a greater, separated, self-earned power from a perceived sense of being limited otherwise) will always continue to be presented to her as a temptation, as a consequence of the Fall, but God reiterated, "..but he shall 'rule' over you". The man (Adam) also disobeyed God in taking the fruit, and subordinating God's express command to him to his own feelings towards his woman's desire for him. Both Adam and Eve stepped out of alignment with God to do their own will. There was never a question of comparison between man and woman in the beginning before the Fall, only an acceptance and flourishing in His assigned roles for each of them. The issue of the conflict and comparison came from failing to resist the temptation to not submit to God's sovereign order and seeking their own way instead of His.
Adam was right there and did nothing. Literally. Both fell. Not one gender. There was no "order" as you say. If anything that verse makes it look like the order we see is actually a result of the fall. Not something designed by God.
Even if it did mean that women are inferior we need to be ok with that. If God decided to make us less than , then embrace that less than , because it is His will. I don’t understand the struggle for women to be equal in all ways. Even with modesty all I see are comments about it being “ body shaming”. Who cares if it is , just be obedient .
And even is we've been taught a contemporary narrative that has led us to read our cultural- complementaianism into the text, we need the humility to allow Barr and others to help us regain the biblical exigesis of Scripture. Allowing capable women to help instruct us in the Bible will bring Christian renewal and faithfulness to the church.
But God didn't make us less than. The scripture clearly says we are not. There is neither Jew nor Greek, male or female slave nor free!!!! Seriously. 🙄
Certainly not a new concept. jesus went out of his way to get to Jacobs well so he could talk to the woman who was living with a man that was not her husband. He sent her to town to tell all who would listen that the Messiah had come. Many other examples where women were used to spread his message.
True but none of that negates that men are to be Pastors. That does not negate the worth and works God gives women. I've always said the Church without women would fold in no time at all. We are all needed. Again that does not mean women can be Pastors. It also means that men can it do what God ordained women to do. As a man I can't birth children, thank God for that as there would be a population diminishing LOL. If men would be the men of God He calls them to be and women would be the woman God calls them to be we wouldn't have to rehash this old argument among believers. How we quickly forget its God who sets the boundaries and not men or women of faith.
You may "believe not" but you have to look at the context. I'm very tired of complementarians not even considering they are wrong about something. How about interviewing her directly? Oh yeah you won't bother.
Truth seeker and FPT Bot. I've heard the argument that humankind (male &female) was created after the animals, as the jewel in the crown. So I think anyone who properly reads the Bible will NOT come to an "inferior" position.
@@renegadeoftruth2891 your obviously haven't read the bible - your biblical God given ethnicity and written judgement below 👇 ( Hebrews 12:16-17 kjv) Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as E S. A U when he would have inherited the blessing, he was REJECTED: for he found NO PLACE OF "REPENTANCE" (Malachi 1:2-4) yet I loved Jacob, And I hated E. S. A. U and they shall call THEM, The border of "WICKEDNESS" and, THE PEOPLE against whom the Lord hath indignation FOREVER (Psalm 11:5-6) The Lord trieth the righteous: but the "WICKED" and him that loveth violence his soul hateth Upon the WICKED he shall rain "FIRE" and "BRIMSTONE" this shall be the portion of their cup (Obadiah 1:18) And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of E. S. A. U for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall NOT BE ANY REMAINING of the house of E. S. A. U. for the LORD hath spoken it THUS SAYETH THE LORD
@@Revelation-cb1rb You obviously haven't read Acts or the Epistles of Paul. God is not a respector of persons based on ethnicity under the New Covenant.
The way most people believe is always About male and female being about physical birth and the father separated by physical differants when the rebirth is mentioned has nothing actually to do with physical separation of man, when the Adam wasn't born and put to sleep still had Eve taken out not born nor separated still in heaven, then the sleep can't be found happened by what the story experience called about man out of heaven is a dream where good and evil cause death in happening after many years compared to become shorter and shorter, the classic movies about leaving home for finding truth outside is always finding back at home, every story explain both search involved where outside like the story of Jesus explaining one brother had Father give him all inherent then when outside to spend it all having good times with being able to until broke then others didn't protect him or help by good JOB then he faced living terrible then woke about Father hoping to at least give him some servant home, the real application of going back home gets you loved the same when you left by Father that didn't nor able to retire Love, the older son is unhappy never went below out of heaven and like Paul mention without law you don't understand whats your sins are by hating, hate, killer, etc.......Saul didn't till becoming Paul or David in another same story. Marriage for born of man is still separated physically, then becoming same flesh is like Eve and Adam not separated in same body isn't born again in two using to stories' with two bodies, Christ has neither male or female, Jew or Gentile, used in Allegories for One Spirit being all, then you say I AM win the race and its your last days under the sun for the last time free from needing to judge and not wanting to nor needing it.
Excellent response. Why can't we have different roles and still be equal in God's eyes? :) that is what the Bible says-God made genders differently and so we have different roles and that doesn't mean women are less or that women can't do anything. Women can do a lot of things. When it comes to pastoring not every man can be a pastor. So women not being pastors shouldn't be a big deal.
It is a big deal when women are gifted by the Spirit and called to pastoral ministry and church leadership, but contemporary fundamentalism prevents them from serving. The whole church misses out and Scripture is undermined.
We have different physical bodies. That doesn't translate into "roles" past the act of sex and biology. This is where you go very wrong. A man can help with dishes, a woman can go to college. It is not sin. It doesn't mean a woman is evil if she mows the lawn. It doesn't mean she's less than if she has no kids or never marries. There is no "role" except to serve God.
Because one of those roles is literally to be a functional slave. What kind of role is “listen to what I say and obey”? What are you actually offering, silence?
@@timhutton6786 women can teach children and other women. Why isn't that good enough? Also, that's so subjective. How do you know God hasn't gifted these women for what I said instead of being a pastor? *What does the Bible say*
Yikes; when you want the security of Christ, but still want to think it's "equal" ground by thinking that you can do something _better_ than a man *at* *all* Biblically, you are not going to be better than your husband with the kids. You must defer to him, as you are easily deceived. Women are given the simple, unwanted, minutia that they can handle. It's NOT equal. There is nothing that men must consult with women. There is nothing that a man would want to do that he wouldn't be barred from that a woman could just do.
YALDABAOTH ESTABLISHES HIS RULE Now, after these things happened, Pistis came and appeared over the matter of chaos, which was cast off like an aborted fetus, since there was no spirit in it. For all of that is a boundless darkness and water of unfathomable depth. And when Pistis saw what came into being from her deficiency, she was disturbed. And the disturbance appeared as something frightful, and it fled to her in the chaos. She turned to it and breathed into its face in the abyss, which is beneath all of the heavens. Now, when Pistis Sophia wanted to cause the thing that had no spirit to be formed into a likeness and rule over matter and over all its powers, a ruler first appeared out of the waters, lionlike in appearance, androgynous, with great authority within himself but ignorant of whence he came into being. When Pistis Sophia saw him moving in the depth of the waters, she said to him, “Youth, pass over here,” which is interpreted as “Yaldabaoth.” Since that day, the first principle of the word that referred to the gods and angels and people has appeared. And the gods and angels and people constitute that which came into being by means of the word. Moreover, the ruler Yaldabaoth is ignorant of the power of Pistis. He did not see her face, but he saw in the water the likeness that spoke with him. And from that voice he called himself Yaldabaoth. But the perfect ones call him Ariael because he was like a lion. And after he came to possess authority over matter, Pistis Sophia withdrew up to her light.
Who is Yaldabaoth in the Bible? In the Archontic, Sethian, and Ophite systems, Yaldabaoth (Yahweh) is regarded as the malevolent Demiurge and false god of the Old Testament who generated the material universe and keeps the souls trapped in physical bodies, imprisoned in the world full of pain and suffering that he created. When Pistis Sophia saw him moving in the depth of the waters, she said to him, “Youth, pass over here,” which is interpreted as “Yaldabaoth.” Passover, Hebrew Pesaḥ or Pesach, in Judaism, holiday commemorating the Hebrews' liberation from slavery in Egypt and the “passing over” of the forces of destruction, or the sparing of the firstborn of the Israelites, when the Lord “smote the land of Egypt” on the eve of the Exodus. Egypt meaning: Temple of the Soul of Ptah.
“We need to be the party of nationalism and I’m a Christian, and I say it proudly, we should be Christian nationalists.” Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) “I’m tired of this separation of church and state junk - that’s not in the Constitution.” Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.) Lauren Boebert calls for laws to enforce "biblical citizenship training" in our schools. “We’re not bending the knee to the two percent anymore,” said Andrew Torba, founder of the right-wing-friendly social platform Gab, referring to Jewish people in the United States. Retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, the former national security adviser, told a Christian gathering last November, “If we are going to have one nation under God, which we must, we have to have one religion. One nation under God and one religion under God.” The 10-year-old Ohio girl who crossed state lines to receive an abortion in Indiana should have carried her pregnancy to term and would be required to do so under a model law written for state legislatures considering more restrictive abortion measures, according to the general counsel for the National Right to Life. Former President Donald Trump said during a speech on Saturday that "Americans kneel to God" alone, as the concept of Christian nationalism continues to gain traction among conservatives. Ron DeSantis’s “Don’t Say Gay” Law Has Already Made Florida Schools Dystopian Hellscapes! Do you think this is God's will? Jesus led directly to the Trump-Republican Taliban/Cult!
Sounds like your ready to war against your own people and government - their definitely robbing you common YT folks out of your piece of the pie - sounds like you folks need a greater capitol raid - I've got my popcorn ready
@@amandasmith3504Knowing a god's will is an impossible task. The greatest attritbute of Humanity is how easliy we are deceived! The problem with humans being easily deceived is that if humans were design this was a design flaw. Humanity if designed was designed to be deceived. One just has to look at how many lies christian's embrace! One just has to look at how many lies humanity embraces! The overwhelming examples of christians and humanity in general embracing lies and liars makes so called "truth" irrelevant and moot. Christian truth is a oxymoron. If human beings were designed with this overwhelming flaw then truth doesn't matter...lies don't matter....christ doesn't matter...nothing matters because truth and lies are indistinguishable...Trump has proven this beyond any doubt. If we as a species are ever to discover any truth...that truth must come from outside a god. Or we must discover a god better than the christian one. Which truth or god shall that be...will we choose Trump or will we choose reality?
when you were helping push soft feminism (sorry, 1st wave feminism was evil and not even primarily about the right to vote, that was just the most well known fruit of besides the disastrous Prohibition) in Mama Bear Apologetics (isn't it kind of odd for someone who doesn't have kids to write an apologetics book for Moms?), you've lost a lot of credibility to talk about issues like this.
The only thing I would say is that if you're surprised by something in scripture that's always been there and you are a believer, it could be that the Holy Spirit has just illuminated you to that particular truth, right? We know that the Bible is a living book and we get more out of it each time we read because God grows our understanding the more we spend time with Him.
Absolutely, I agree with you 100%…I was thinking the exact same thing coming from my own experience of that happening to me…the Holy Spirit allowing me to “see” and understand something that I had not noticed and perhaps wasn’t ready for previously. Praise God for giving us what we need when we need it…daily bread indeed 🥰
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I was thinking this too. Also, the names in the Bible are so different from the names we are familiar with, so unless there's a gender-specific pronoun associated with that name, the reader might not know that that name refers to a female.
There actually were theologians who said that women are intellectually inferior to men. Aquinas, for example (even though I love Aquinas in general).
I’m curious if you have ever heard John Piper’s views on women? When he says that a women shouldn’t give a man clear directions because she would be usurping authority over him... People have been teaching for years that women are inferior and using the Bible to try to prove it. Transformed Wife is another one. She says women shouldn’t even go to college because it leads to them having power issues and divorcing often. You might think these are few and far between, but Piper, TW, even MacArthur have massive platforms. These same ministry’s would not approve of men learning from your very own ministry. Which is quite asinine. Beth Alison Barr comes from that world. A world I lived in for decades. She understands it very well. If you had experienced it, you’d understand her book better.
Amen, it’s like they didn’t even read her book lol.
@@frankm6546 no kidding…I think that some people have been wonderfully blessed to not know the horrors of patriarchy. For those of us who have, we know exactly what Beth was saying and it’s plain as day. Personally I think that they are just trying to uphold “complimentarianism” by playing the “what problems? We don’t see any problems” card.
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Women being the lesser vessel is common sense - let me know when a woman is heavy weight boxing champion of the world
@@Revelation-cb1rb who said anything f about there being no differences? I just said they can preach and lead churches. The old excuse about eve being the bigger sinner than Adam doesn’t really hold weight with me when you study church history and see all of the big name Christian leaders falling.
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Geez Frank - you obviously don't even know who or what the church is - I'll let the written word of God explain
CHURCH TEMPLE AKA BODY OF CHRIST
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(COLOSSIANS 1:24) for his body's sake which is the "CHURCH"
(the church is the body of Christ)
(Acts 7:48) howbeit the most high dwelleth NOT in "TEMPLES" made with hands
(it's not a building or religion)
(Ezekiel 36:22,27) Therefore say unto the house of Israel, thus saith the Lord God; I do not this for your sakes, O house of ISRAEL but for mine holy name's sake I will put MY SPIRIT within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them
(only Israelites promised the Spirit)
(1st Corinthians 3:16) know ye not that ye are the "TEMPLE" of God and that the SPIRIT of God dwelleth in YOU
(the you is israelites not heathen)
(1st Corinthians 15:9) For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted THE CHURCH OF GOD
(Paul persecuted Israelites NOT heathen)
(Acts 7:37-38) This is that Moses, which said unto the children of ISRAEL This is he, that was in the" CHURCH" IN THE WILDERNESS
(the "church" was in the wilderness)
(Revelation 21:22) And I saw NO "TEMPLE" therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb ARE the TEMPLE of it
(Revelation 11:1-2) And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the "TEMPLE " of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
But the court which is WITHOUT THE TEMPLE leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the GENTILES
(lamentations 1:10) for she hath seen that the heathen entered into her "SANCTUARY"(temple) whom thou didst command that they should NOT enter into thy congregation
(No gentiles can enter the temple aka body of Christ OT or NT)
Who is the body of Christ Frank??
From what I've seen in complementarian churches ..yeah women are seen as inferior. How can one not be inferior if they are told "unless you do x y z" you are not doing what God wanted for your existence. And this is precisely what happens. Single women are really sadly devalued. Many singles did not want to be single, but nevermind that fact, married (often times women) will not listen to you in regards to anything spiritual. They become puffed up pride balls. Equally, men in these spaces do see women only as valuable if they can have children. So women over the age of 32 are really pushed into a "we don't like you, you don't look like us.". I've seen it over and over and over. Discipleship and serving Jesus becomes second place to being or becoming a stay at home stepford wife. It's unbiblical. Men and women do not have "roles," that bring them favor or righteousness with God. Scripture and verse. .oh wait there isn't one. There is much twisting of three verses Paul wrote. Ignoring key aspects of scripture like where Abraham was told to obey Sarah when sacrificing Isaac, or the numerous deacons who were male or female, or Christ telling the women first and they telling the apostles about the resurrection first. Males being created first doesn't give them predominance. Clearly men needed women. Unless you want to overlook that part or the dozens of examples in scripture where the firstborn ends up not being the chosen one. So you cannot use Genesis as an argument. It's absurd.
It would be interesting and even good if you actually invite Beth Allison Barr and ask her directly all of your arguments and questions.
They won't because their position had no footing
Some great points.
'Why haven't I read this before?' might actually mean for some:
'Why hasn't this passage been taught on in my church before?'
From my experience some churches choose a topic and then cherry pick verses to support their view point.
Whilst topic based teaching has a place, this can lead this type of 'suprise' for its congregation members..
All of Christianity cherry picks God's written word regardless of denomination - the Intentional twisting of 316 and the words Greek n Gentile
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In what way is 316 twisted?
@@Revelation-cb1rb how did you come to the conclusion that all of Christianity cherry picks God's written Word?
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Example 316 - show me the scripture where God says he loves the Moabites Canaanites Ishmaelites ammonites Ethiopians etc - rhetorical question - no such scripture exists OT or NT - obviously that scripture is cherry picked to create the false doctrine of modern day Christianity
@@Revelation-cb1rb You claim that 'All of Christianity cherry picks God's written Word' do you consider yourself part of this group?
It's nice that you recognize that the Bible has always taught that men and women are equal. The point that Beth Allison Barr is making is that complementarianism does NOT teach this. The inferiority issue she is talking about is the power imbalance that is created when you misinterpret Ephesians to say that women are subordinate to men on the basis of their gender. "Separate but equal" is never really equal. And this is NOT God's design as laid out in scripture, but it is what the complementarians read into it.
I guess children are less valuable in God's sight because they are called to submit to their parents.
@@ethanweber7976 Are you seriously saying that adult women should be treated like children instead of adults? If so, you’re kind of making my point for me that complementarians devalue and disrespect women.
@@JenniHayward No my point is that children are also created in the image of God. He loves and values them as much as he loves their parents. Yet, they are called to submit. So it shows that a "power imbalance" does not indicate value or worth to God. This is not a straight 1 to 1 to the marriage relationship.
I believe a great example for this is the trinity. God the Son submits to the authority and will of God the Father, and yet both are still God. Difference in roles or a "power imbalance" does not indicate a lack of equality or value.
Eternal subordination of the Son is heresy.
@@JenniHayward Didn't say that he is eternally submitted.
Complimentarians are saying that women are less capable of leadership, yet these women are leading. Be consistent, Alisa! Are you a Christian leader? Yes, you are. I praise God for that. How about giving other women encouragement to use their gifts rather than telling them they need to take a subordinate role?
Is this a church gathering?
@@ethanweber7976 what is or was a "church" in the new testament? Really.
@@anthrop7998 The Church in the new testament really has two meanings. There is the Church universal which indicates the common, lifelong fellowship of believers. There is also the Church local which was the meetings of believers with the intended purpose of sitting under teaching, worshipping, and partaking in sacraments corporately.
I am unsure about the purpose of your question, but you have replied to two of my comments and I can gather that you are NOT a fan of my viewpoints.
This is good stuff Alisa 💜🤩🙏🏽
Your a lyin blasphemer repent
The thing about egalitarianism is that it actually diminishes women. God has a created order, men and women have their roles, roles that are different, but equally valuable. When we say that women have to be able to step into the role that God has given to men to be valuable, to be of worth, then we are saying that the role God has given to women isn't enough. It isn't worth as much. In a backhanded way, they are saying that men are better than women. God gave men the "good" jobs, because they're better. That, of course, is completely false.
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My problem is that I feel these terms (i.e. egalitarianism) are too broad or not well-defined. You mentioned role and value, but what about “ability”? Is that that same thing as role? I’m just saying that the debate needs more conceptual clarity, otherwise, there’s confusion and/or no actual disagreement.
Doesn't egalitarianism also say that men can step into the roles believed to be given to them by God?
Um what?
It's hard to argue with it from a human standpoint.
Look how we treat women and girls and pregnant mothers. Look how we treat single mothers. The world hates women. Look how our Christian leaders cry and rage whenever the progressive left does something to help women who have not married.
Egalitarianism dimishes NO ONE. It gives women freedom from overbearing men. It says "these rights are yours, and you may exercise them at any time." It does not say that you have to.
Saying women and girls have no further use BUT servitude to men and parenting children is the diminishment. It reduces us to incubators and servants. It keeps us away from public discourse. It supposes that we are not FIT for ANYTHING ELSE but THESE THINGS. And for that reason men were bound from the start to treat us as lesser. Tucker Carlson says he thinks of women as primitive. Many right wing men feel this way. It is obvious in their actions and tone of voice when they speak to you.
For a deep dive study into Complementarianism vs Egalitarianism go to Mike Winger playlist women in ministry. He has not completed it yet, but there is 8 or 9 videos so far. So helpful in getting an understanding of this topic!
Mike winger is the devil the bible speaks of FACTS
Mike is misrepresenting the Egalitarian position. The sources he uses are not representative of those of us who come from historically egalitarian denominations, which predate the secular feminist movement of the past 50 years.
@@padillas4357 Agreed. I shared my concerns with Winger but he seems to be great at gas-lighting.
@@padillas4357 Craig Keener is a leading egalitarian scholar.
@Ethan Weber I have heard of him, but don't know a lot about him.
These ideas are new to many because complementarianism has suprest the reading of Scripture to inhibit a view of women (from both men and women). These passages offer a basis for women as pastors, teachers, and leaders. Even in this discussion the hosts work to undermine the deeper meaning of the passages that Barr and others draw attention to. It's about being faithful to Scripture rather than this contemporary fringe movement.
The evil in this video and in these comments is quite strong.
So, you're both in favor of slavery? You've complained about other people taking texts out of context. You're taking the passage on marriage entirely out of context by ignoring the admonition to slaves to be obedient to their masters. If you believe women should obey men in marriage, then you also believe that owning slaves is acceptable. In other words, you're ignoring the overall point of the passage, which is that all are equal in Christ and all should support each other. Paul is declaring peace between men and women, and explaining to women that they no longer need to live in fear of the person they're married to because that person no longer has any excuse for abusing them.
LOL they sure didn't get that reading out of it, did they? People see what they want to see.
People will always try to explain away God's order.
Including you
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@JOSEPH
Are you trans
As a Christian myself here's a question for all of you. Why do fundamentalist believers take every word of the Bible as totally correct, when no one, to my observation, has an answer to the exact quotes of Jesus, Moses, Samuel, etc. ? Would anyone be kind enough to answer me? Thanks.
Bible believers point to this verse: 2 Peter 1:21 (among others). "For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." This means that the entire Bible was inspired by God. He used humans to write things down (except the 10 commandments, notably - He wrote those with His own hand), but it was never their own opinions. He wrote it, His Spirit interprets it. Although I know that my finite mind can't understand all of it perfectly, since it is written by an infinite Being, I believe that His Word is true from the beginning (Psalm 119:160) and will always be kept and preserved by Him.
@@jreese8284 Do you believe that Jesus ran around Palestine screaming out loud that he is the Good Shepherd, the bread of life and the door?
@@jreese8284 amen
If your theology whatever you label it, requires that women can’t work, or go to school, or be an active leader in the church, or preach the gospel, then phoebe and junia at least would disagree.
Phoebe was possibly a deacon , which was not an authoritative position in the Early Church (see Acts 7). Women deacons persisted for centuries after, but there were objections against them baptizing and catechizing men. Junia ministered with her husband Andronicus; even if the best reading of Rom 16:7 is that they were both apostles, there is no evidence Junia would have stood up and led the gathered congregation of God’s people, as prohibited in 1 Cor 14:34-38. The earliest churches were communities that lived together, and there were plenty of opportunities for ministry outside of the large weekly gathering of the whole community.
@@matOpera There are a LOT of assumptions in your reply that I don't see the evidence pointing towards.
@@frankm6546 That’s actually my position to your reply. You need to demonstrate 1) that Phoebe was a diakonos in the sense of the office (which I have no issue with theologically), and 2) you need to demonstrate that a woman in the office of diakonos exercised authority over men. Acts 7 gives us an entirely different view of what the office even entailed in the Early Church.
As for Junia, I’m granting for the sake of argument she was an apostle alongside with Andronicus in the fullest sense of the word. (Most scholars agree they were married given how Paul groups them together, and that a traveling Jewish male-female missionary couple would almost certainly be married given the cultural background of the day.) I’m simultaneously trying to reconstruct what her ministry looked like given what Paul tells us were the gender practices of the earliest churches (1 Cor 11:2-16, 14:34-38).
@@matOpera
The "church" is not a building religion or mixture of heathen ethnicities - arguing the position of women or other biblical topics is obviously above your pay grade if you don't even know who or what the church is - infact Christ Isaiah Peter the angel of the Lord n Paul make it clear that Christ's sacrifice was for ethnic bloodline Israelites ONLY
ISAIAH
(Isaiah 53:5,8) and with his "STRIPES" WE are healed He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of "MY PEOPLE" was he stricken
PETER
(1st Peter 2:24) Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that WE, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose "STRIPES" WE were healed
GOD'S ANGEL
(Matthew 1:21) And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save HIS PEOPLE from THEIR SINS
(Matthew 2:6) 6And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule MY PEOPLE ISRAEL
PAUL
(Romans 9:3-5) For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for MY BRETHREN, my kinsmen according to the "FLESH" who are ISRAELITES; to whom pertaineth the ADOPTION, and the GLORY, and the "COVENANTS" and the giving of the LAW, and the service of God, and the "PROMISES" whose are the fathers, and of WHOM AS CONCERNING THE "FLESH" CHRIST CAME
CHRIST
(Matthew 15:24) I am NOT sent but unto the Lost sheep of the house of ISRAEL
@@Revelation-cb1rb I certainly do not intend that the church is a building; I’m sorry if there is something in my comment that left you with that impression. But the church (ekklesia) most certainly includes Gentiles.
Paul uses the word ekklesia in 3 different ways throughout 1 Corinthians:
1. to refer to the church universal (1 Cor 1:2, maybe 10:32, 12:28, 15:9)
2. to refer to the local communities of God’s people (1 Cor 4:17, 6:4, 7:17, 11:16, 16:19a)
3. as a shorthand to refer to the church when it gathers for communal worship (1 Cor 11:18; 14:19, 23, 28, 34-35; 16:19b).
Women prophecy “in the church” in senses 1 and 2 (1 Cor 11:16, 12:28), but they are to be silent in sense 3, specifically when the whole community is gathered for corporate worship (1 Cor 14:34-35).
What did the serpent tell Eve (and why Eve) in the Garden in Genesis 3:1? "Did God really say...?"
This was essentially the planting of the germ of the idea into the first woman (at the very beginning of Man) that she was being held back from her fullest potential, not even by her man (Adam) that time, but by God Himself!
This is the first challenge to God's order for mankind, directed at them, and it was cunningly targeted first at the woman (and continues to be, in many ways).
What did God say in His judgment to Eve in Genesis 3:16? "Your desire shall be toward (another version says "contrary") to your husband...". I think that means that this internal struggle and contrarian inclination (to resist the man and the will to have/exercise a greater, separated, self-earned power from a perceived sense of being limited otherwise) will always continue to be presented to her as a temptation, as a consequence of the Fall, but God reiterated, "..but he shall 'rule' over you".
The man (Adam) also disobeyed God in taking the fruit, and subordinating God's express command to him to his own feelings towards his woman's desire for him. Both Adam and Eve stepped out of alignment with God to do their own will.
There was never a question of comparison between man and woman in the beginning before the Fall, only an acceptance and flourishing in His assigned roles for each of them. The issue of the conflict and comparison came from failing to resist the temptation to not submit to God's sovereign order and seeking their own way instead of His.
Adam was right there and did nothing. Literally. Both fell. Not one gender. There was no "order" as you say. If anything that verse makes it look like the order we see is actually a result of the fall. Not something designed by God.
Excellent
Even if it did mean that women are inferior we need to be ok with that. If God decided to make us less than , then embrace that less than , because it is His will. I don’t understand the struggle for women to be equal in all ways. Even with modesty all I see are comments about it being “ body shaming”. Who cares if it is , just be obedient .
That takes a huge huge dose of humility and faith, too much for 21st century people.
And even is we've been taught a contemporary narrative that has led us to read our cultural- complementaianism into the text, we need the humility to allow Barr and others to help us regain the biblical exigesis of Scripture. Allowing capable women to help instruct us in the Bible will bring Christian renewal and faithfulness to the church.
But God didn't make us less than. The scripture clearly says we are not. There is neither Jew nor Greek, male or female slave nor free!!!! Seriously. 🙄
@@user-jy5qm8nc9m let's see how humble men would be of they are the once deemed as the inferior beings
Certainly not a new concept. jesus went out of his way to get to Jacobs well so he could talk to the woman who was living with a man that was not her husband. He sent her to town to tell all who would listen that the Messiah had come. Many other examples where women were used to spread his message.
John 4:12 - are you greater than OUR FATHER Jacob
The womans 4father was Jacob - obviously she was an Israelite not a heathen
True but none of that negates that men are to be Pastors. That does not negate the worth and works God gives women. I've always said the Church without women would fold in no time at all. We are all needed. Again that does not mean women can be Pastors. It also means that men can it do what God ordained women to do. As a man I can't birth children, thank God for that as there would be a population diminishing LOL. If men would be the men of God He calls them to be and women would be the woman God calls them to be we wouldn't have to rehash this old argument among believers. How we quickly forget its God who sets the boundaries and not men or women of faith.
@@fuzfire You compos have been wrong about so many other things, not sure why we need to listen to you about this one.
praise the only true living LORD and GOD bless you all glory be to the HOLY TRINITY forever and ever amen 💖✝✝✝...
You may "believe not" but you have to look at the context. I'm very tired of complementarians not even considering they are wrong about something. How about interviewing her directly? Oh yeah you won't bother.
Exactly. They are arguing against something complimentarians dont even believe.
Truth seeker and FPT Bot.
I've heard the argument that humankind (male &female) was created after the animals, as the jewel in the crown. So I think anyone who properly reads the Bible will NOT come to an "inferior" position.
Ask "truth seeker" his biblical God given ethnicity - halarious
@@Revelation-cb1rb God doesn't care about ethnicity in the New Covenant. If you think he does, you obviously haven't read Acts and Paul's epistles.
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your obviously haven't read the bible - your biblical God given ethnicity and written judgement below
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( Hebrews 12:16-17 kjv) Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as
E S. A U when he would have inherited the blessing, he was REJECTED: for he found NO PLACE OF "REPENTANCE"
(Malachi 1:2-4) yet I loved Jacob, And I hated E. S. A. U and they shall call THEM, The border of "WICKEDNESS" and, THE PEOPLE against whom the Lord hath indignation FOREVER
(Psalm 11:5-6) The Lord trieth the righteous: but the "WICKED" and him that loveth violence his soul hateth Upon the WICKED he shall rain "FIRE" and "BRIMSTONE" this shall be the portion of their cup
(Obadiah 1:18) And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of E. S. A. U for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall NOT BE ANY REMAINING of the house of
E. S. A. U. for the LORD hath spoken it
THUS SAYETH THE LORD
@@Revelation-cb1rb You obviously haven't read Acts or the Epistles of Paul. God is not a respector of persons based on ethnicity under the New Covenant.
The way most people believe is always About male and female being about physical birth and the father separated by physical differants when the rebirth is mentioned has nothing actually to do with physical separation of man, when the Adam wasn't born and put to sleep still had Eve taken out not born nor separated still in heaven, then the sleep can't be found happened by what the story experience called about man out of heaven is a dream where good and evil cause death in happening after many years compared to become shorter and shorter, the classic movies about leaving home for finding truth outside is always finding back at home, every story explain both search involved where outside like the story of Jesus explaining one brother had Father give him all inherent then when outside to spend it all having good times with being able to until broke then others didn't protect him or help by good JOB then he faced living terrible then woke about Father hoping to at least give him some servant home, the real application of going back home gets you loved the same when you left by Father that didn't nor able to retire Love, the older son is unhappy never went below out of heaven and like Paul mention without law you don't understand whats your sins are by hating, hate, killer, etc.......Saul didn't till becoming Paul or David in another same story. Marriage for born of man is still separated physically, then becoming same flesh is like Eve and Adam not separated in same body isn't born again in two using to stories' with two bodies, Christ has neither male or female, Jew or Gentile, used in Allegories for One Spirit being all, then you say I AM win the race and its your last days under the sun for the last time free from needing to judge and not wanting to nor needing it.
No
Excellent response. Why can't we have different roles and still be equal in God's eyes? :)
that is what the Bible says-God made genders differently and so we have different roles and that doesn't mean women are less or that women can't do anything. Women can do a lot of things. When it comes to pastoring not every man can be a pastor. So women not being pastors shouldn't be a big deal.
It is a big deal when women are gifted by the Spirit and called to pastoral ministry and church leadership, but contemporary fundamentalism prevents them from serving. The whole church misses out and Scripture is undermined.
We have different physical bodies. That doesn't translate into "roles" past the act of sex and biology. This is where you go very wrong. A man can help with dishes, a woman can go to college. It is not sin. It doesn't mean a woman is evil if she mows the lawn. It doesn't mean she's less than if she has no kids or never marries. There is no "role" except to serve God.
@@anthrop7998 Thank you for schooling these people who are keeping the world locked in thought slavery.
Because one of those roles is literally to be a functional slave. What kind of role is “listen to what I say and obey”? What are you actually offering, silence?
@@timhutton6786 women can teach children and other women. Why isn't that good enough?
Also, that's so subjective. How do you know God hasn't gifted these women for what I said instead of being a pastor?
*What does the Bible say*
Yikes; when you want the security of Christ, but still want to think it's "equal" ground by thinking that you can do something _better_ than a man *at* *all*
Biblically, you are not going to be better than your husband with the kids. You must defer to him, as you are easily deceived.
Women are given the simple, unwanted, minutia that they can handle.
It's NOT equal. There is nothing that men must consult with women. There is nothing that a man would want to do that he wouldn't be barred from that a woman could just do.
YALDABAOTH ESTABLISHES HIS RULE
Now, after these things happened, Pistis came and appeared over the matter of chaos, which was cast off like an aborted fetus, since there was no spirit in it. For all of that is a boundless darkness and water of unfathomable depth. And when Pistis saw what came into being from her deficiency, she was disturbed. And the disturbance appeared as something frightful, and it fled to her in the chaos. She turned to it and breathed into its face in the abyss, which is beneath all of the heavens.
Now, when Pistis Sophia wanted to cause the thing that had no spirit to be formed into a likeness and rule over matter and over all its powers, a ruler first appeared out of the waters, lionlike in appearance, androgynous, with great authority within himself but ignorant of whence he came into being.
When Pistis Sophia saw him moving in the depth of the waters, she said to him, “Youth, pass over here,” which is interpreted as “Yaldabaoth.” Since that day, the first principle of the word that referred to the gods and angels and people has appeared. And the gods and angels and people constitute that which came into being by means of the word. Moreover, the ruler Yaldabaoth is ignorant of the power of Pistis. He did not see her face, but he saw in the water the likeness that spoke with him. And from that voice he called himself Yaldabaoth. But the perfect ones call him Ariael because he was like a lion. And after he came to possess authority over matter, Pistis Sophia withdrew up to her light.
Who is Yaldabaoth in the Bible?
In the Archontic, Sethian, and Ophite systems, Yaldabaoth (Yahweh) is regarded as the malevolent Demiurge and false god of the Old Testament who generated the material universe and keeps the souls trapped in physical bodies, imprisoned in the world full of pain and suffering that he created.
When Pistis Sophia saw him moving in the depth of the waters, she said to him, “Youth, pass over here,” which is interpreted as “Yaldabaoth.”
Passover, Hebrew Pesaḥ or Pesach, in Judaism, holiday commemorating the Hebrews' liberation from slavery in Egypt and the “passing over” of the forces of destruction, or the sparing of the firstborn of the Israelites, when the Lord “smote the land of Egypt” on the eve of the Exodus.
Egypt meaning: Temple of the Soul of Ptah.
“We need to be the party of nationalism and I’m a Christian, and I say it proudly, we should be Christian nationalists.” Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) “I’m tired of this separation of church and state junk - that’s not in the Constitution.” Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.) Lauren Boebert calls for laws to enforce "biblical citizenship training" in our schools.
“We’re not bending the knee to the two percent anymore,” said Andrew Torba, founder of the right-wing-friendly social platform Gab, referring to Jewish people in the United States. Retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, the former national security adviser, told a Christian gathering last November, “If we are going to have one nation under God, which we must, we have to have one religion. One nation under God and one religion under God.” The 10-year-old Ohio girl who crossed state lines to receive an abortion in Indiana should have carried her pregnancy to term and would be required to do so under a model law written for state legislatures considering more restrictive abortion measures, according to the general counsel for the National Right to Life. Former President Donald Trump said during a speech on Saturday that "Americans kneel to God" alone, as the concept of Christian nationalism continues to gain traction among conservatives. Ron DeSantis’s “Don’t Say Gay” Law Has Already Made Florida Schools Dystopian Hellscapes! Do you think this is God's will?
Jesus led directly to the Trump-Republican Taliban/Cult!
Sounds like your ready to war against your own people and government - their definitely robbing you common YT folks out of your piece of the pie - sounds like you folks need a greater capitol raid - I've got my popcorn ready
No I do not think any of this is God's will.
@@amandasmith3504Knowing a god's will is an impossible task. The greatest attritbute of Humanity is how easliy we are deceived! The problem with humans being easily deceived is that if humans were design this was a design flaw. Humanity if designed was designed to be deceived. One just has to look at how many lies christian's embrace! One just has to look at how many lies humanity embraces! The overwhelming examples of christians and humanity in general embracing lies and liars makes so called "truth" irrelevant and moot. Christian truth is a oxymoron. If human beings were designed with this overwhelming flaw then truth doesn't matter...lies don't matter....christ doesn't matter...nothing matters because truth and lies are indistinguishable...Trump has proven this beyond any doubt. If we as a species are ever to discover any truth...that truth must come from outside a god. Or we must discover a god better than the christian one. Which truth or god shall that be...will we choose Trump or will we choose reality?
when you were helping push soft feminism (sorry, 1st wave feminism was evil and not even primarily about the right to vote, that was just the most well known fruit of besides the disastrous Prohibition) in Mama Bear Apologetics (isn't it kind of odd for someone who doesn't have kids to write an apologetics book for Moms?), you've lost a lot of credibility to talk about issues like this.
Funny, I thank God for first wave feminism, but I am not thanking God for creating @JR-rs5qs, wonder why.