An ultra-capable trail runner! // HOKA MAFATE SPEED 4 // Ginger Runner Review

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  • Опубликовано: 4 ноя 2024

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  • @TheGingerRunner
    @TheGingerRunner  Год назад +13

    The new Hoka Mafate Speed 4 is certainly a solid go-long trail shoe. But it has some quirks. What do YOU think? Snag a pair for yourself from links in the description!

    • @Poopari-l4q
      @Poopari-l4q Год назад +5

      I ran an 160k mountain race in Europe in them, and only used one pair. Gripped amazing, fit was perfect. I also like the tounge update, the 3 was too thin and the shoe bulky. This felt perfect. Favorite trail shoe of the year

    • @Thefifaplayeryant
      @Thefifaplayeryant Год назад

      Good review, I'm with you on stability but more than willing to arrange myself as the shoe is still "nimble" although high stack. The heel is a miss, debris comes in and a traditional heel was never a problem (in all my Hokas). The toe problem might be very personal, I don't have it with the MS4 but I have sometimes with other shoes, so here we go...all in all, great shoe for long, excellent grip on everything, still runnable in technical terrain with adaption, what more can you want ?

    • @1111italia1111
      @1111italia1111 Год назад

      Yo bro im total nooobie, i tried Peregrine 12 and my foot was super happy with it well in the shop tho not in real condition. my question this model of Hoka is the same as a peregrine ? i saw a pair just saw and i say woaaaah its about the Fujispeed, the looks is crazzzzy ! but never tried them. if i have to chose just one of the 3 any advice ? :) thanks

    • @downbycoleslaw1198
      @downbycoleslaw1198 Год назад +1

      It has the same major issue as the SG5 - the upper mesh has too much stretch to lock down the shoe. The footbed is also weirdly long and the toe is very prominent due to the design. The toe catch is another problem. The heel is also a miss.
      It’s a lot of issues for a $185 dollar shoe. The durability is a concern given the foam used - it’s likely to go flat in 200 miles.

    • @pacman311085
      @pacman311085 Год назад

      Totally in love with the comfort of these but I find the lite base vibram wear's a bit too easily and quickly compared to standard vibram in other footwear I have,love the profly + cushioning, probably one of my favourite runner's to ever go on my feet

  • @briangoldman3316
    @briangoldman3316 Год назад +8

    I love these honest reviews because this shoe may be perfect Fer people with narrow feet or other foot types. For me, it should cause compression issues, especially with wider feet. Thanks for another amazing review.

    • @carsonwong4144
      @carsonwong4144 Год назад

      With my wide foot. I really found them to be the best fit over my Salomon ane Asics trail shoes. The upper just fits so well and wide base makes it feel like a near perfect shoe. There's certainly always TOPO or Altra but they don't have a midsole as versatile as Hoka.

  • @The_Shoe_In_With_Cody
    @The_Shoe_In_With_Cody Год назад +5

    Been one of my favorite trail shoes of 2022! Fit my foot really well! Found it handled all the Beast Coast terrain very well

    • @TheGingerRunner
      @TheGingerRunner  Год назад +1

      Great to hear! I imagine that grip is great on all the techy bits out yhere

  • @jonathansammons9833
    @jonathansammons9833 Год назад +3

    I like it! First run was a Backyard Ultra and they felt great during my 25 loops. Basically no show of tear. 🤙🏻

  • @EHughes0658
    @EHughes0658 Год назад +4

    Hmm. Have been tempted by this, but I am still running in the Mafate Speed 2, which have 800km on them and they are STILL going strong; upper still in one piece with a tiny bit of stitching coming out where I caught on a rock and Vibram still has some decent wear left. Bit concerned with what you said about stability and the last not being as stiff. Long time Hoka fan but find their more recent shoes just do not last as long...not a fan of the swallow tail on so many of their new shoes :/

  • @MICHIGANGIRL4TRUMP
    @MICHIGANGIRL4TRUMP Год назад +3

    The lugs…Sounds like a perfect Michigan shoe!💛💙

  • @caseylongruns6843
    @caseylongruns6843 Год назад +1

    it gets the job done. has a padded tongue. amazingly the heel flare hasn't caught too many pebbles.

  • @MichaelHilliard
    @MichaelHilliard Год назад +3

    Yeah. Love this shoe so much and love how fast and free you can feel with that grip. I agree with your comment about the toe catch. I ended up putting some fabric tape inside and outside of the shoe to try and prevent the toe catch. Still loving runs in it and ready for the soggy winter weather!

    • @MichaelHilliard
      @MichaelHilliard Год назад

      @sidlord1000 It did help at the start, but wore out quickly. After 60 or so miles, it resolved itself as the shoes got broken in. Definitely would buy another pair after I wear these out.

    • @MichaelHilliard
      @MichaelHilliard Год назад

      @sidlord1000 the stretchy bit to the bumper got softer and was less likely to catch. Much better after and finished a 50k in them last month.

  • @obsidiantain
    @obsidiantain Год назад +1

    Hey Ethan - thanks for the video! Excited for all the videos to come! A message from me - take your time and don't chain yourself to the editing suite just for us - we want you healthy and happy for the long term, we can always wait on a video. Take care!

  • @azrielabramovich458
    @azrielabramovich458 Год назад +1

    OMG, I really struggled with my Clifton 8. I could figure out why I feel like the shoes curve up, and I thought it was the insole not working well. But as you described the bend due to the softness & tightening of laces - it makes perfect sense. I survived 800km with the Clifton. But it gave me blisters and I grew to resent them, but I got my money's worth!

  • @velpulasrinivas3672
    @velpulasrinivas3672 Год назад +1

    Very good and HONEST reviews of shoes

  • @ThatFlowState
    @ThatFlowState Год назад +2

    I'm interested but the price has to come down significantly before I get them. That heel is definitely disappointing, the SG5 let so much dirt in that I need gaiters for anything over 20 km in them.

  • @JustinDoesTriathlon
    @JustinDoesTriathlon Год назад +1

    Hoka just seems very solidly reliable in my experience. Nice. 👍

  • @runfreeultra
    @runfreeultra Год назад +2

    Great review Ethan. I REALLY want to like Hokas but they need to sort out their upper and lockdown! Spot on with the swallow tail heel, I had debris get in there in the SG 5.

  • @adamtyson1257
    @adamtyson1257 Год назад +1

    Everything sounds great except the stability part which I need... SG5 lacked a little of that, it was slightly wider than I liked, a price concern too. Great review as always, exciting things to come!

  • @joematt1076
    @joematt1076 7 месяцев назад

    I had too many choices you've narrowed the field down it came down to Mafate 4 or the speedgoat 5 I settled on the Mafate 4 as it just felt a bit nicer for my likes. Thank you for the review it helped out a lot

  • @ant2464
    @ant2464 Год назад +1

    They will go on sale late season. Same thing the 3 did. I got my 3s for 140.

  • @dejokoko1
    @dejokoko1 Год назад

    I dont have the toebox issues or the debris as i am buying my shoes at a thight fit.. always had the SG4.. the SG5 is a disaster so now i am with these.. overall very comfy.. but on rocky technical terrain the outsole will damage very fast ..between the vibram lugs there is a lot of midsole exposed .. we need a hoka with completely covered vibram outsole... my speedgoat evo's heel tore off completely during a trailrace in Austria last year 🥲

  • @antidepressants9232
    @antidepressants9232 Год назад +1

    I can't wait to see the review of the Nike Zegama

  • @seanwise7464
    @seanwise7464 Год назад

    Finally tried a pair and instantly love. Wish I had not wasted money on SG5 as they are now dead to me. These are what speedgoat 5 should have been- pretty sure some new person at hoka mislabeled them at production and they just went with it.

  • @joefaifer
    @joefaifer Год назад +2

    Loving the feel of the Speedgoat 5, but the Mafate has me very interested to give a go for my spring Ultra. Feel like the drawbacks are very similar in both of the shoes. Cheers.

    • @TheBowerbird
      @TheBowerbird Год назад

      Mafate is much nicer than the (very good) Speedgoat 5. It's basically the Mach 5 of the trails. Nicer upper, nicer midsole, slightly better outsole.

  • @Stillbullish16
    @Stillbullish16 11 месяцев назад

    Curious if you’ve had a chance to check out the Mafate Three2 yet….it looks like a completely different shoe! Thanks GR!

  • @christianvanzyl8649
    @christianvanzyl8649 Год назад

    My favourite trail shoe yet... Lovit.

  • @twmUX
    @twmUX Год назад

    Outrageous shoe! Soooo good compared to SG5. Man, I’m already 2 runs in and just loving it!

  • @JTrain8
    @JTrain8 Год назад +1

    Same issues with speedgoat 5. Heel flare and upper materials are bad. Evo mafate 3 was my last hokas. Vectiv enduris until they change those 3 things.

    • @seanwise7464
      @seanwise7464 Год назад

      Same here. They removed some of the magic on speedgoats with version 5.
      Just discovered vectiv enduris 2 and kind of liking them a lot after a few runs.

  • @expatadventureturkey9324
    @expatadventureturkey9324 Год назад +2

    Any thoughts on how this version #4 compares to the last model? I’m seeing them on sale on some sights and was wondering how they compare, thanks in advance for you thoughts. Have a great weekend everyone.

    • @TrailScapes
      @TrailScapes Год назад +2

      it's a totally different shoe, I would NOT recommend getting the older model despite the sale price.

    • @TheGingerRunner
      @TheGingerRunner  Год назад

      Yeah, this is a pretty solid update. I’d stick with the 4 or other comparable offerings from other brands (Zegama, caldera, etc)

  • @RunGlenn
    @RunGlenn Год назад

    I've been loving the grip the Mafate 4 brings, it's better than the SG5 and feels a little softer underfoot too. The price was high, but I don't regret the purchase!

  • @tazpengra
    @tazpengra Год назад +1

    Meh. Lost me at "responsive" (hard). I like the Stinson; the outsole width, the fit, enough cushion. Everything but the weight. I was hoping for a "Stinson Lite" with the Mafate 4. I'll keep looking. SG is also hard, and does weird things medially with my foot plant, maybe I tried on a defective pair where the upper was attached to the midsole wrong.

  • @RodRanDusted
    @RodRanDusted Год назад +1

    Very comfortable shoe. But even just walking out of the parking lot, that toe catch on the upper several times was a deal breaker. No matter how I adjusted it, my toe would catch. Wouldn’t even be able to use them in the yard it was so bad so I tossed them.

    • @TheGingerRunner
      @TheGingerRunner  Год назад

      Mine definitely began to break in more and has become less of a “danger”, but catch the toe every now and then in a bad way bugs the crap out of me!

  • @scotthilton5406
    @scotthilton5406 Год назад

    I just received a pair of these I ordered. I tried them on and they feel great, but I instantly got your comment for the toe catch on my right foot. A solid half size smaller than my left foot. I think the shoes will be great, but that toe catch could be an issue. Would you recommend a heel grip to move more foot forward some as I have no issue on on the left foot. Or, any other recommendations on how to counter that joint area in the toe box?

  • @stephenlambert5831
    @stephenlambert5831 Год назад

    wow thanks is it true to the hoka size like say the latest Speed Goat?

  • @Mumrik597
    @Mumrik597 Год назад

    I bought these on a great discount. 140 bucks. They are my first trail shoes, and I bought them due to the similarities to the Mach 5, which is my favourite shoe ever. Looking forward to many kilometers in the trails :)

    • @varunpotluri8387
      @varunpotluri8387 Год назад

      Hi. Even my favorite shoe is the Mach 5 and I’m very interested in the mafate 4. May I ask you how the mafates have performed to your expectations?

    • @Mumrik597
      @Mumrik597 Год назад

      @@varunpotluri8387 I really love my Mafate Speed 4. The make me just as happy as my Mach 5 does when I'm running. They are my first pair of trail shoes though, so I don't have a lot to compare them with. But if Hoka shoes fot you, and you enjoy the Mach 5, then I think you'll love them.

  • @talentedmrripley9359
    @talentedmrripley9359 3 месяца назад

    Am supa amped about satisfy X hoka mafate. But, do I need to size up half a size ? I half sized up in Hoka Skyward but way too big. I have broadish feet struggle with Hokas.

  • @markkendhammer5932
    @markkendhammer5932 Год назад

    Tecton X or Mafante Speed, Which shoe you pickin'?

  • @davidtfrederick
    @davidtfrederick Год назад +3

    Apex 2 Pro on the wrist

  • @alredalred
    @alredalred 5 месяцев назад

    I know this is a super late comment but how would you compare the width on these to your recently reviewed Trabuco Max 3? Thanks!

  • @dustinpeele2748
    @dustinpeele2748 Год назад

    will there be an "EVO" version? I still have a pair of the speed goat evo and find it to be the best trail show i've ever run in.

  • @jwjw2731
    @jwjw2731 Год назад +1

    I’m torn between the Speedgoat 5 and the Mafate Speed 4. What would you recommend? I retired a pair of Speedgoat 3’s. Really enjoyed running in those.

    • @antidepressants9232
      @antidepressants9232 Год назад

      Same!

    • @ericperramond3463
      @ericperramond3463 Год назад +4

      JW - I'd say this since I have both of those. The MafSPeed4 is a better fitting/hugging shoe, and the outsole is (to me) better than the SG5, as is the TONGUE (man that tongue is so nice, hate that thin too-short tongue on the Speedgoat). I have had zero toe catch issues on the fabric as Ethan apparently experienced. I think the material is good, durable, but might not "give" as much as SG5 but I also use ALTRA shoes and my toes are not tiny. ZERO issues with the MafSpeed 4, and I'm a former EvoMafate2 user. Have fun out there!

    • @antidepressants9232
      @antidepressants9232 Год назад

      @@ericperramond3463 Thank you! So as an Altra user, you had no issues with the toebox on SG5 and Maf4?

    • @ericperramond3463
      @ericperramond3463 Год назад

      @@antidepressants9232 I think it depends on how wide your foot is. I'm a tad more snug, but comfortable, in the Mafates than I am in the Speedgoats. I think the jacquard mesh is a little stiffer on the sides but I have had zero issues with my big toe/pinkie toe issues even up to 20 miles. Would I run 50-100 miles in the Maf? Uh, not sure about that but for anything trail marathon or less, I think it's a great choice. And that tread grip and tongue! Amazing. I think they'll last, too.

    • @TheGingerRunner
      @TheGingerRunner  Год назад +3

      Honestly, I’d stick with these over the SG. Just better across all conditions for sure.

  • @gregprevite8548
    @gregprevite8548 Год назад

    I’m going to pass on this one even though it seems like a solid shoe. It’s definitely out of my target price range. Looking forward to the challenger atr 7, or buying a few cheep atr 6’s. Luckily I’ve been hoarding a pair of evo m 2’s.

  • @m.pachomia7367
    @m.pachomia7367 Год назад

    I love these and have been running in them since September. However, I keep developing blisters on the side of my big toe. I never get blisters, and I wonder if it’s from the issues with the midsole curving up like you’ve mentioned.

  • @MrGeronimo
    @MrGeronimo Год назад

    Can I use it for walking only ? Thank you

  • @percrunner1433
    @percrunner1433 Год назад +2

    Also - this shoe looks minimalist compared to what the Mafate used to be 😂

  • @theformerbuttler
    @theformerbuttler Год назад

    "Discounts not applicable. Restricted by manufacturer."
    Just FYI. Hokas have been excluded from the discount code for over a year now

  • @trailsofanoldrunner
    @trailsofanoldrunner Год назад +2

    Ooo, thought it was going to be a “try”. Quite a few notable negatives and the price seals the deal. Not for me

    • @yalokim5264
      @yalokim5264 Год назад

      Now, with a BF discount I don't need to think of the cost, just features.
      So having a choice between new Hoka toys, Mafate wins against Speedgoat.
      Looking elsewhere, I'd must try SAUCONY, the Xodus Ultra.

  • @austinrlewis
    @austinrlewis Год назад

    Curious how this differs from the Speedgoat? Why/when would I go for one over the other?

    • @AstrumG2V
      @AstrumG2V Год назад

      The Mafate Speed 4 will feel a lot snappier and faster I think. The speegoat 5 is still very much a tank

    • @yalokim5264
      @yalokim5264 Год назад

      Astrum, no no! It's quite the opposite!
      Just tried them both. MAFATE is a tank, still with 2 foams it moves well.
      Then SG⁵ feels so nimble in comparison. The rockered shape helps to turn your legs quicker.
      SG is for easier faster trails
      MS for a long trip.

  • @dazdarren9926
    @dazdarren9926 Год назад +1

    Ive had my eye on these for a while and was going to buy them from REI using the 20% off coupon code and boom I get a message saying its not eligible for discount…boo

  • @tobiasb362
    @tobiasb362 Год назад

    what I really miss in all the reviews is the information if this shoe is any waterproof or at least resistant?

    • @ThatFlowState
      @ThatFlowState Год назад

      They are not. It's not mentioned in the reviews because it's almost never the case with (trail) running shoes. You can generally assume that they aren't and only a really small number (often made for winter running) of models have some kind of membrane. In those cases it will be pointed out.

    • @TheGingerRunner
      @TheGingerRunner  Год назад

      Yeah, what Florian said. It’s only talked about when the shoe actually utilizes waterproof fabrics/membranes (rare and more niche). Assume all trail (and any for that matter) shoes absorb water. Drainage is usually talked about when it’s an issue.

  • @percrunner1433
    @percrunner1433 Год назад +1

    I really want to love Hokas…but for some reason, my hips feel like their going to explode every time I run in any of their shoes. It’s the only brand I have this issue with (I run in the NB MoreV4, so I don’t get why Hokas won’t work for me?)
    Great review as always!

    • @joefaifer
      @joefaifer Год назад +1

      I've run many miles in Hoka's, specifically the Mach line and the Speedgoats, and I do agree their fit is very, shall we say, interesting? I feel like I'm used to their technology but if I take Hoka out of my rotation for a couple of weeks and put them back in I can really sense the difference. I think partially it's how the shoe's kind of branch out like a tree from a tree trunk. Tight on the mid foot then a bit wider in the toe box

  • @arrowzen7433
    @arrowzen7433 Год назад

    Does it come in a wide option?

  • @dpbg
    @dpbg Год назад

    I really wish Hoka would update it with new colours, cause the men’s colours suck😂

  • @duncanpowell5322
    @duncanpowell5322 Год назад

    Is it like a trail version of Mach 5?

    • @TheGingerRunner
      @TheGingerRunner  Год назад

      Not quite. More underfoot and a bit less nimble.

  • @valdius85
    @valdius85 Год назад

    I still do not understand why to make shoes that are not the shape or the healthy feet

  • @cbgny23
    @cbgny23 Год назад

    Would you say they're any more narrow than the SG5?

    • @adamtyson1257
      @adamtyson1257 Год назад

      I hope they are, liked the SG5 but to wide

    • @yalokim5264
      @yalokim5264 Год назад

      Actually the reverse way. The area which get my pinky toes squeezed in SG⁵ is growing to nice wide toe box in Mafate.
      Narrow fit is what made me stay away from SG³ and ⁴.
      Now, having both to try I can say:
      -SG is slim & nimble, more firm % rockered
      -MS is like a tank, reminds me the Olympus from Altra, but trimmed (not so crazy wide).
      Note - for my rather wide feet I choose Mafate. Although, I can see your point - the upper in SG⁵ is so soft that makes it feel loose, too roomy.
      Note, the upper in MS⁴ is more coarse, more tightly knitted fabric.
      That may actually keep a narrower feet better 🤔
      Hope it helps.

  • @KarlMeltzersAidStationTime
    @KarlMeltzersAidStationTime Год назад

    Not sure why Hoka has adopted this swallow tail heel. So much of the shape of this heel to me feels insecure. I digress, anybody else miss the Speedgoat 2 or even 3?

  • @HectorDavide
    @HectorDavide Год назад

    this mafate speed 4 does not remind you a lot to the last speedgoat????? about the toesbox… short-cutting the nails? 😂

  • @10pound
    @10pound Год назад

    Those lugs don't last 140 miles on rocky rough terrain. Literally the worst performing trail show (from a durability perspective) I've bought in recent years.
    Will I buy another pair...probably.

  • @MikeLukins
    @MikeLukins Год назад

    Maybe it's pronounced 'jerk-hard'

  • @whatfreedom7
    @whatfreedom7 Год назад

    Who ever designed the sole and tread should keep their job. Whoever at Hoka comes up with all these crazy and girly color schemes that all seem to look the same needs to be fired. They are always so ugly and that’s what keeps me from buying them. Very few have any appeal to me honestly.

  • @kofuzi
    @kofuzi Год назад +1

    jacquard. jacquard!

    • @kofuzi
      @kofuzi Год назад

      actually, I have no idea how it's pronounced