Why Kilimani Residents Have Reservations About Chinese Property Developers Association
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- Опубликовано: 25 янв 2024
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Sakaja is following the corruption footsteps of Zakayo. 💯
Please go to Diani , kilifi see big baobab trees being fallen down. Sad😢
Like mother like daughter.. she is brave like her mother Tabitha Seii, a fearless woman during Moi
Thanks, Kipyegon. Just felt like I knew this lady only that I'm certain I've never seen, heard, or met her. Now I know why. Ugali inatokanga kwa unga.
I almost asked whether she is sister 2 Tabby thanks u give the answer. Where is former military man mzee seii??
@@luciakabui3151Thought....she is Tabby's sister now i know.
The problem with Kenya is everything is packed in one city. The whole nation is under one city. The country is huge but opportunities are only in one city called Nairobi. The master plan to elevate other areas in terms of investment and opportunities is not there at all. After finishing my civil engineering degree in Nairobi I went to Mombasa to look for a job to build my skills, I was disappointed by being told to apply in Nairobi. What a country. For me Kenya is Nairobi. It will choke under traffic, lack of water and sanitation. By the time we realize it will be unlivable.
True, everything revolving around Nairobi, yet there are many empty spaces, so many outside Nairobi
Yeah. Dont waste time going anywhere else but kanairo. Huko kwingine ni kurudi stoneage😂😂😂😂
@@Kittygacha_playz It shows stupidity of the presidents develope all Kenya not share holders
Agreed. But we must acknowledge that we are a reactionary people...we never plan ahead. We will reach a crisis and then react.😂...however, life will go on. Albeit uncomfortably.
I agree and our city cannot handle the amount of people fleeing in for opportunities and livelihood. It was meant for about 5000 people initially but now God Help us.... The whole country is in Nairobi. I don't recognise it anymore
The contractors are not the problems, Kenyan administrators are. For these structures to be built someone has to issue the permits. We have very little respect for our own laws and rules, how then do we expect others to come here and honor them when we don't.
It was happening in Pipeline, no one spoke, now our kids ride bikes kwa balcony, a green or open space is a luxury, sasa same problem is encroaching to other part of the country
And that is the root of the matter. Pipleine residents should've exercised their right and complained. Because you didn't complain doesn't mean everyone else should follow your example. In fact your example serves as a cautionary tale on why people should indeed complain.
Guys who moved to kitengela athi river kangundo rd ruiru ngong etc in the mid 2005 were laughing stock but this was seen way before. Now they are leaving in green spaces free from congestion. Those who moved to kilimani were looking for class and its biting hard.
They will come to athi river soon
That is true@@bushido_2543
@@wachiracushny4799 I can tell you are not knowledgeable from your reply
@@barnieorlando1380what will stop them , from coming, they have hefty bribes. Kilimani is a rich area and they are running roughshod of the law.
That's how it goes.
I completely agree with Jerotich. During my time working for a Chinese developer, I witnessed some concerning practices. The company I was employed by appeared disconnected from the entity selling the apartments, almost like a shell corporation. Wages were significantly lower than those offered by local contractors, and payments were consistently made in cash, sidestepping tax obligations. On payday, it was common to sign against numerous names and ID numbers, many of whom I didn't even know. Moreover, aside from essential materials like cement, sand, steel, and gravel, all other supplies and equipment were sourced from China, contributing little to the support of local businesses. Additionally, individuals claiming to be government officials from ministries like labor would visit the site and depart seemingly content if you know what I mean.
Kenya is being looted left rite and center that’s why we are getting poorer and poorer ,loans are paid offshore but the debts are in Kenya.Investers only spend in Kenya to launder money.
Hmmmm🤔🤔 interesting 😏
Same story different location. That is the order of the day in South C. There are no offices or letters we haven't written. We manage to stop it for a few weeks then again they resume whether with fake or real permits. What pains is that as Kenyans we are being harassed in our own country by foreigners. The sheer arrogance by the developers, they keep saying - "what will you do to us? We know people."
The problem is us as Kenyans. Our insatiable appetite for money will be the end of us. Hakuna future especially in areas around Nairobi. Wakimaliza Nairobi wataingia Limuru, Kenol, Sagana, Machakos, and many other productive areas all in the name of kujenga manyumba.
A Kalenjin reasoning like this in the KK regime is a wonder. I wonder
She said it as it is. Pure truth.
As a Hindu, I think she is a reincarnated Wanjiru.
she's a bright gem
Parklands Area is now overrun with 14-18 storey buildings (constructions everywhere) on 1/2 acre & 1/8 of an acre plots by Somalis......we need answers?! What is the zoning for Parklands?!
Saw one with 22 floors built on 50x100 plot🤦🏿
This lady is very intelligent, such are the kind of leaders we need in Kenya, people who care about environment. Keep telling them madam, don’t get tired.
She is talking about her own selfish interests. The world has moved on from zoning.
Exactly unfortunately party politics denied her a chance, because of UDA euphoria 😢
@@wachiramrm3925 This type of tower housings are being demolished and abadoned in the UK/RUSSIA and US they are not fit for human dwellings
@@wachiramrm3925so you think ruto will have a tower next to state house??? Of course not.
It would be good if we have the names put up of the office bearers of the offices involved in this illegalities. This way we know exactly to hold accountable
I take my hat off to this lady..
This is what gets me, can you imagine a Kenya Property Association working in similar manner in China? Why don't we have more Wangari Mathaai's in this world? Bold enough to stand up and take real action? Uhuru Park was saved by her efforts, Karura was saved by her efforts..... They should not be conversations.
We just found our new Governor.
Amen. Spread the word. She's the woman for the job. Get Jerotich in City Hall right ASAP.
From just listening to her? Without interrogating other aspects that come with the job? Don't be emotional like that. This is how we end up with bad leaders coz of our folly and spontaneity
All Kenyans should form community groups to protect their boundaries, history, and culture for us back this lady and such movements for our future generations.
That’s what the residents of Karen have done and that’s why you don’t see this BS there. Communities need to borrow a leaf from their playbook.
@Msapere
It's not possible to fight developers
When parents who own those properties die their kids are left fighting n they end up selling to developers
@@arfenmalik1717 true, but the community’s zoning laws are still there so the developer has to abide by them.
@@Msapere
But the land is now in the hands of developers. It's game over
@@arfenmalik1717Residents associations are not set up to fight developers but to protect community interests. It is not right to develop the habit of throwing ones arms in the air that nothing can be done about those who violate community interests. Yes, even if land is in the hands of developers, whatever developers do ought to hell into community interests, otherwise no part of urban centres will be safe from degeneration and urban decay. It gets worse when the county govt is in bed with developers.
Nairobi was well planned by the British. Estates like Jericho, Maringo, and Mbotela had 24-hour operating dispensaries, designated play grounds, nursery schools, primary schools, and social halls. Yes, we had all these amenities growing up. Kilimani was for the upper class. Nice manicured lawns and fences. Buruburu was another upper-class estate. We had well stocked libraries. All that had gone down the drain. I said this 7 years ago that Kilimani was becoming a pipeline that went to a group of schools. Right now, kilimani is a pipeline with makeup and filters. Look at Eastleigh, once a neighborhood that was clean and easy to navigate. Nairobi has become overpopulated, and our resources were not meant to accommodate these many people. Ruai sewerage can't handle this.
Couldn’t have said it better. I grew up in Pumwani and later in South C. Now South C is becoming another Eastleigh. Nairobi is fvcked.
Nairobi was great growing up all this affluence has gone I remember more than two/3 decades ago
because natives were not allowed to live in most parts of the city. freedom came with population boom in a city planned for 250k people only. but we really should have sorted it 60 years on
They are coming for Jericho, Maringo, Shauri Moyo etc....in the name of "affordable housing". What's the difference between what the Chinese are doing in Kilimani and what Ruto is planning for our estates in Eastlands?
Nairobi is now officially A CONCRETE JUNGLE
I totally agree.... The amount of people does not equate the infrastructure. The President needs to support the rural areas. People who lived in Mombasa, Nakuru and Eldoret used to stay in their cities... Now... They have no choice but to seek opportuinitues in Nairobi.
Also, Social media glamorises Nairobi for the rural people...and the whole idea of being urbanised, dressing smart, being educated and Americanised are all associated with Nairobi... God Help Us. Let me not even start with so called other expat Africans coming in Bulk.... It's too much
This are the fruits of our corrupt nature its catching up in all sides !!!!😢
If every Dp and prezzo tribesmen would reason like this we would be heading to the right direction as a country
What Jerotich is explaining explained it in my PhD thesis concerning informal densifications in Kilimani with no upgrade to infrastructure.
Great!! Publish it when you are done
Hurlingham is worse. When it rains the roads become rivers.
A lie has no legs: Lies are spread by humans. They don't travel alone.
Another view. Lies can't stand because they don't have legs.
We can't be blaming the Chinese without doing a self inventory.
Look at the Laikipia air base, for instance. The Commanders at the Airbase are complaining of Buildings encroaching the base. They say flying in and out might be impaired. Can you imagine what a security risk this poses? In times of war , those fighter jets need to go out efficiently to defend the country. How come the Commander in Chief has not taken up the issue!
Eastleigh Airbase is not in good shape either. Highrises are encroaching the base.
What is happening for real?
She's so right. How can 200 people live on infrastructure that was made for 30 people? Where is the sewerage,parking, amenities etc ?
The figure is close to 2,000 not 200.
Have u been to kibera it's possible
@@dennismugambi2183 Are you mental
@@dennismugambi2183 at the cost of your health.
@@mwendapoleee those people are rich they can move if they see its becoming unbearable
Sadly the same people who are fighting here like this woman are the same people who have created a menace in Nairobi. They are the ones who have erected high buildings in other estates like Umoja, Innercore, Kayole, Buruburu, Dandora, etc without realizing they are hitting other estates. Now when it's their turn to be hit hard, wanalalamika. Ask that woman where she owns property in Nairobi for rental. Kweli mkuki ni kwa nguruwe, kwa mwanadamu ni muchungu.
Please justify your comment. You are making an allegation. It is for you to prove it. You can't allege without evidence, then demand of her to prove that she doesn't own high rise buildings in Umoja.
And at the core of the problem is actually successive county and national govt officials and it is driven by short term gains through corruption. There are public servants we pay through our taxes to safeguard our interests. That's where the big let down is. And , ooh yes! "Hatupangwingwi! Even if they are thieves, they are our thieves. They are the ones we want"! Do you recall? That's the African mentality that's destroying us all.
One of the best discussions you guys have had. Please bring more of this & keep the politicians away, coz they only play lip service... also-Jerotich for Nairobi Governorship!
Jerotich you are very right. Elgeyo Marakwet Road in the same estate (Kilimani) is the worst, with over 20 storeys most of them converted into Airbnb used as brothels. Chinese have conquered the estate with the blessings of corrupt national and county government officers!! Kilimani resident association has on many occasions raised these issues!!
I love Cherotich . Problem we have as Kenyans is we will wait till an issue is happening to you as an individual then you complain . And as Cherotich is saying you don’t have to live in the surburbs to see this problem . In Kileleshwa there are so many empty apartments that were built coz of money laundering.
to which they even tried to reduce the rent and are even empty as of today
❤😂
@@bonifaceodhiambo-zj4cq like which ones?
like which ones?
Well said we only talk about issues that affect us personally
Having a green space is now a luxury.
sad but real
If possible better live outside the city. Concrete is just dead probably no wonder people living there are depressed.
Green spaces and nature in general is soothing to the mind.
I was at a farm this weekend in limuru called twin rivers. The owner has recognized that people in ruaka and neighbouring areas have no green space and come there to picnic and have their kids play on the grass. Grass is now a luxury for those willing to pay 500 bon entrance fee
This is the first kalenjin to see fighting for justice and very knowledgeable too.
you just had to bring in tribe
Una mchezo wewe, what about the likes of Alfred keter, buzeki. Wewe you only see through tribal lens
@@TheTororist yes. To make it clearly
@@josephmmoja486 what have they done apart from opposing Zakayo
@@normanthenormand7554 what have you done?
It's good to be optimistic as Kenyans that one day all go be beta in Kenya but the Truth is, my Country is a gone Case. Hatuna nchi hapa. The Nation will only come back to track when a revolution happens to bring back sanity to this beautiful Nation. These so called leaders follow the money not the Law. Theft of Public funds/ Corruption is the norm and Not the New Norm. This is NOT a Chinese issue or a foreigner or a Kenyan developer matter. It's the True State of a Failed State. The system is intentionally opaque to serve Kenyans. So Sad 😭😭😢
Then in that case, it’s time to immigrate
@@discounthub1401 no we fight for our space through a revolution and be patriotic for once.
I love how Jerotich she's blunt and unfiltered on these debates. We need more people like her on the frontlines.
Totally...she unchained and really articulates these issues as they are..l
I understand the Chinese contractors are now using Burundian labourers working for a pittance on their construction sites
Surely the [planning] buck stops with the Governor? SpiceFM should invite Governor Sakaja to answer these questions. Unfortunately, I suspect this goes further up the chain in direction of State House Rd.
Absolutely
But the governor has dimples ! That supersedes everything ! , but on a serious note we have the numbers and we have the power , there should be a class action lawsuit and let the people who purchase this home know one day they will come down , "your government " will not always be in power just us what happened in portland or what is going on in kirima's land , once we remove the incentive to buy this apartments the madness will end
Ndu,Latiff and CT,thank you for your guest today. She is not just a politician,she is a politician with a heart.
Our President and his men and women pointed fingers at the corruption in the judiciary because of his housing levy,he forgot this kind of corruption that is killing our country as we all watch and on his watch.
South C is near Wilson Airport where taking off and landing of planes is happening continuously.We have high storey apartments higher than the level the Wilson airport planes are flying.Its scaring for residents and its a question of time before we get an incident.Those 15 storeys apartments have been approved by various regulatory bodies and someone has to convince me that corruption is not involved.Its unfortunate that safety has been compromised by allegedly corruption.Sourh C is a ticking time bomb.Also to note the sewer and drainage can't even cope with the increases residents.Very sad!
I agree with you Madam Seii. Langata will soon be better than Lavington/Kilimani.
Good conversation, i see a Wangare Mathai in this lady. I like her charisma.
Thats an insult to Maathai. Jerotich Seii is a merchant for hire. A few months ago, she was tweeting "SwitchoffKPLC". The moment she discovered the najority shareholder of KPLC is Rutos friend Ndindi Nyoro, she STFU.... useless kabisa
Jerotich is fighting the good fight. Good luck to her. But it's a lost cause as our leaders are the enablers of these developments. Emma Too has been fighting a similar fight in Kileleshwa for ages. Its still a good fight as history will remember these champions of our environment. Keep going Jerotich !
Wangari Maathai told us to be like the hummingbird. Let's do our part no matter how daunting the task.
She is right, except that there is another group messing up South B, South C and Eastleigh. I have been in the approvals committee and may wish to come and shed some of the issues she is raising.
Please tell us more??
Those are from somalia
Somalis are Kenyans just like other tribes in Kenya, how do you know they are from Somalia? It will be same as suggesting Luos are from Uganda.
@@ahmedahmed3201 SOMALIS are from Somalia which is a country called SOMALIA-lEARN HOW TO READ and write-MOGADISHU is also in SOMALIA
The men on this show were very disappointing. Questioning her actions over and over, trying to paint her as an "angry black woman" more than tackling the issue of foreign insult to the quality of life of that city. She is an active citizen with clear cultural love, like Mama Wangari Maathai.
Thank you Jerotich for highlighting this menace
Kenya is the only country where foreigners come in and do as they please, in fact we bend our morals and laws to accommodate them esp if they have lighter skin but also we do it for our west africans.
That, is the Truth!. The unvarnished truth!
The Kenyans with their perennial docility give too much latitude to foreigners, even going to the extent of being relegated to second place, and having less rights and privileges in their own country.
And the appalling thing is that this is not reciprocated for Kenyans in the countries of origin of the foreigners getting the coddled VIP Treatment here.
Exactly what Singapore did. Go and see how Singapore is developed.
And they do it with the help of corrupt officials
What are permanent solutions for not duly sanctioned skyscrapers which are not fit for habitable
This has been really an insightful discussion. It can form a great thesis paper and policy prerequisite
She is brilliant! I love what she says about holding people we voted for to account. That is such foreign language in Kenya. We tend to defend those we voted for however rotten they are just because we voted for them. Ridiculous and pure brainwashing
@JerotichSeii for President!!
Each extra storey costs money... Wow. I now understand why these apartments are going for ridiculously high prices! 😡😡😡
Icampaigned hard for Sakaja thinking he was the guy for us . I am ashamed of what I hear nowadays about his absence from perfomance. Eating and shutting up on the plunder of our town.
Politicians use You and abuse You use You and abuse You
I love this conversation. I am glad she’s shining a bright light towards these “Chinese developers.” The Chinese can NEVER allow Kenyans to go and develop in China. We visited these buildings and the Chinese are in control, NOT Kenyans. We have allowed the Chinese to enter our country, develop and own land so easily.
The Chinese are getting away with all these atrocities because these so called custodians of our laws are allowing these Chinese to run a mockery.
We as Kenyans need to wake up and fight against such developers and the corrupt leaders in office accepting bribes. They’ve enabled so much and not upholding the law. Am glad it’s coming to light and the conversation is ongoing.
Sakaja the dimpled gangster is getting brown envelopes and looking away from the crime scenes
Eric, you guys are so smart at engaging and realigning logic that I think you are a better station than some of the international ones. The lady is so well spoken and how I wish whistleblowing was an opinion-shaping idea in Kenya.
We need more of her please!! Please bring her in for the topic of Air bnbs cultures/unrented spaces and relation to the moral decay. She mentioned it.
I agree..nowadays these rentals don't have spaces where kids can play..they end up staying indoors with phones and tvs to entertain themselves
she's right ati Kenyans development Association in Beijing China akate mti ata moja
she'll Never live again😂😂
Great job Jerotich. The Ciry Planning must be called out. Otherwise, we will have these rogue developers move to Runda to build skyscrapers there.
Ask Seii if the Chinese would do the same thing in Rwanda. Again, I agree with Seii. Voting in a regime is not a mistake. Failing to hold it to account is.
In related story nairobi remand built for 250 today 2000!😮
It’s funny how CT and Eric are not blaming Chinese and blaming the victims. It takes two to tango!
Very well said.
I was forced out of South C after decades of tranquility; it's now a concrete jungle
Sasa, to where, sadly encroachment everywhere
Sakaja should be ashamed of himself..
You realise how long it takes to build 14/18 storey building?? 😅😅😅..
Nema, NCA, county Gvt, Architecet should be sued
All the Nairobi Planning Problems , leave it for the Nairobi Planners , 1948 Nairobi Masterplan provided everything , just few modifications and we will make the entire Nairobi city better .
This happens all over the world. Money rules the world, welcome to the world.
Not true some countries wount sell out even if paid in gold.
Which world not where I am
Please tell those Chinese to come construct at Khushianda. We have two skyscrapers 3 floors high (moja ni ya my khotsa wanje Atsanasi Matendechere PhD) and we need more. Someone?
Very eloquently put.
Jero for Governor
True Patriot, keep on fighting for the weak
In Germany they say „lies have short legs „ cause the lies are short lived.
The law should change and include the following;
(A) scrapers above the allowed blocks should pay extra to the county annually to discourage buyers who occupy contested neighborhoods
(B) maintenance of all social amenities like pathways, streetlights, pavements and others to be levied on such developers.
(C) a written approval by members association in the neighborhood to be presented as requirement for approval by NCC and NEMA
(D) documentation of occupation hazard to be mandatory to home buyers
would never work ,the land lords and developers will spread the cost to the tenants .
That can work, very high taxes
If you were born and bred in Nairobi, you truly would understand Jerotich's pain. Once upon a time, there was a Nairobi that was... 😢
A future government shall severely punish anyone who has built illegally. Remember the structures that were demolished without compensation because they were built on Thika Road public land?
Jero for governor of Nairobi. Let's depose the useless Sakaja.
Not every cause is a good cause. This is one cause which, if successful, will create housing scarcity in Nairobi and force people to commute long hours to far off places like Rongai, while the air above Lang'ata and South C and Nairobi West is uninhabited. The cause will have won but life will be worse. Not all causes are good.
If eloquence was someone. 😅 you try being angry and speaking English 😅. You will swallow your tongue
I don't even have the slightest of worries with the zoning problem in kilimani cause nca and the county council haven't even addressed the issue of buildings collapsing in nairobi ... i wish there could be a voice for such that cuts across the whole city rather than one neighborhood
Wow, am really impressed by this conversation. I wish people could rise up and open their eyes.
❤cherotich.Thank you.
Please Kenyans let's learn to expand outwards not just upwards. It's gonna be a very ugly concrete jungle.We grew up in these places when they were lovely n everyone knew all the others but now we don't want to go there anymore !!!!!
What happens to the people who buy these flats without knowing
Absolutely timely and great conversation, we all have a role to play, things are getting way to crazy in terms of zoning and construction.
Very insightful conversation. Watching / listening near in Boston near Boston Common, America’s oldest park founded 390 years ago in 1634!
Oooh...come to Msa Island you will be shocked!
20yrs ago they used to say...only 4flats..the Island would sink😂😂😂
Today..18flats and above...Somalis are on it...extending to Tudor.....
Wellcome to change...
As a young urban planner with my little experience, the structures are well laid , but the professionals in the built environment ( planners, architects, surveyors) they use the law as a buffet for economic gain at the expense of the people and the environment which is against the tenets of sustainable development.
Good work queen keep up the fire straight more blessings
She is very dynamic and on point. The guys are making excuses and trying to shift her core argument. It is not abt Kenyan lawmakers or the Chinese business men. It is about the consequences as she has brilliantly illustrated. Urban planning is very important for sustainability of quality of life. Sadly, too many Africans look for instant gratifications and think very little abt common good for all.
Over crowding and lack of basic amenities and infrastructure is a recipe for total chaos and serious consequences for generations.
I like her tenacity and her articulation of the issues.
She is keeping the fight alive.👏🏼✅👊🏽
I love this patrotic brave lady ❤️ Kenya and Kenyans are most welcoming and kind in the world and people take advantage 😕 and someone has to say STOP ✋️ and thats what this girl is doing .
As a somali i also se some of our brother's taking advantage as well . If kenya are missed up we all lose so please let us protect this beautiful country
"Lies have no legs"...a lie cannot stand on it's own. Jesus Christ, this was an easy one.
very easy and jerotich was just talking NONSENSE
Candid interview 🙏
My type of Kales..her and gladys boss sholei
Toa Boss Sholei apo, Psycho
@@generalcontent254 ni mamako?
The same people they will be flying to New York or Shanghai to take pictures in a high rise buildings.
Great debate. I think the focus should be two pronged: 1.) pushing the government to update infrastructure like roads, sewage and water so that these areas can attract investors and 2.) push developers to operate within the law.
The reality is that the cost of land and construction has gone up over the years. It is not realistic to expect a developer to put up only 4 floors because that will not allow them to make a return given the high cost of construction and the high cost they acquired the land. An apartment will cost 50M and will not attract buyers if they do that. Demand will be low. It is also abit discriminatory to tell someone who has land that they cannot develop on that land because those who developed earlier in the neighborhood have some kind of privilege.
I think high rise apartments in Kilimani and Kileleshwa are here to stay as a result of capitalism, high demand and high cost of land. We should push government to update infrastructure as we push developers to comply with the laws. Also, keep in mind government is collecting 4% stamp duty on each apartment. Government makes more from new developments by collecting 4% stamp duty. The more the apartments, the more our broke government makes. Government will therefore have an incentive to approve more and more apartments coz they will collect more and more stamp duty, and rental income tax, among others.
If only we had 10 leaders like this.
Word
The sad thing is that those apartments are horrible. Woi, they are shoe boxes with open kitchens - who told these people we want to live in shoe boxes.
She is very eloquent
We are losing the green city. But we need to take more responsibility. Corrupt people do not have Nairobi's interest.
Mrs Electricity alipotea sasa amerudi na another Urban G to G issue.
Nothing works in Kenya anymore!. A new city is needed.
A new mentality is needed, the cartels will come on the new city.