Enduro incontinence and phobias!︱Cross Training Enduro
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- www.crosstraini... Enduro incontinence moments. Today there are two situations where I was tempted to wet my pants. Did you see Johnny Walker underwater at Romaniacs trapped underneath his motorbike? Thankfully a photographer jumped in to help him. I have a nasty little phobia about this. Trapped underwater and hoping the next rider pulls the motorbike off me before I drown. Into enduro riding? See all our dirt bike videos for dirt riding tips. Our channel now had hundreds of dirt bike videos covering reviews, and enduro riding techniques. Search our channel for dirt riding gear too. Our dirt riding tips also include wider topics such as the best dirt riding boots. There are two situations on this ride that triggered my phobia very nicely. But first, check out this track! Slippery. Off camber. And a few off camber logs. I had a lot of trouble on this log the first time. Today? No problems. Problem number one! This big tree root has been notched to provide traction. This should prevent the motorbike and rider slipping into the creek. But there's clay on the track too. The other guys hit this with speed and avoided the drama. But I automatically imagine myself sliding down, the motorbike trapping me underwater, and I drown while everyone stands above me laughing. Let's see how Scott handles this. I wonder if Scott would normally just ride over that tree root with no problems. I probably slowed him down and actually made the situation more difficult! Our next problem? The bridge! It's wet. Several planks have broken screws and our now completely loose. And there are planks completely missing at the end of the bridge. Again, there's the small chance of falling and being trapped underwater by the motorbike. Not my favourite outcome. Zero problems. These little phobias are interesting! Since the spine fracture I get anxious on steep descents nowadays. Sometimes I walk the motorbike down steep slopes that I used to ride down. And I get a bit anxious when there's even the slightest chance of being trapped underwater. This is probably due to almost drowning in my surfing days. Do you have any scenarios that worry you more than the average rider? What caused it? How do you deal with it? Keen to hear about your experiences. I find this stuff very interesting at the moment... sadly because of a recent death. I won't go into any details yet, but I was involved in a ride where a guy had a fairly basic accident but died immediately on impact. Me and two riding buddies were first at the scene and went through CPR until the paramedics finally arrived. Death has a way of really making you think about the big questions. How much risk should I take to get my thrills when riding? Do I have enough protective gear? In a potentially risky situation, should I just hit the throttle and ignore the anxiety? I faced all these questions after my spine fracture... and even did a few videos about it. And this recent death has raised all these questions again.
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NOTE: In the video I refer to a moment when Jonny Walker went over the bars on a steep descent and was pinned under water until a camera man pulled the bike off him. A few viewers have questioned this, and one pointed out this happened to Colton Haaker so I may have my riders mixed up.
I remember Jonny dumping it into a bay next to a city in a prologue when they made them go across some floating platforms. Can't recall which race.
Yep I remember that one too.
I was going to make some crappy joke about getting a riding sponsorship from Depends adult diapers, until I read your transcript about the sudden passing of your friend, I'm so sorry for your loss. I think that he would want all of us to keep riding and testing our own personel limits and enjoying life to the fullest. Thanks for the video of that excellent trail !
I'm findind the idea of enduro diapers a really good idea in my 60s lol. We only met the guy who died the night before so while it had a big impact on everyone it wasn't devastating except for the guy's friend who had invited him along. 😢
Blind turns on two track or fire roads always get to me. You never know when some yahoo is drifting their side x side in your direction.
Currently recovering from a severe ankle break, so I'll likely have different fears when I return to riding.
I actually experienced this when a guided dual sport ride came through a blind curve. KTM rider target fisacted and headed straight for me, I wound up in a ditch, luckily the amazing bike pulled me out o the situation. 10 minutes later caught my other half who had the same experience with the same KTM.
I am the same age, and you are too hard on yourself Barry! You are OUT there doing it, which counts for a whole lot. Your my riding hero and inspiration, anxiety and all.
Thirty years ago, I had microfracture surgery on my right knee from mountain biking. It didn't stop me, but I inadvertently taught myself the Right Sided Bailing Ejection when things got wicked. In fact, I got so good at the technique that I flung myself off a dropoff and got the prize-winning five broken ribs. Judges did downgrade me a bit for not impaling my body on the spikey dead log, though. Tough crowd
Very hard to aim for spiky things in mid air, Brian. I've found it almost impossible to change direction in midair no matter how much I flail arms and legs. 🤔😁
Dayummmm Brian!!! You had to bring up impalement. Riding amongst fire hardened debris, this is a constant nag.
After my encounter with a barb wire fence [ Horse, Rattlesnake, Fence = loss of finger ] I have a phobia of fences. I`ll do whatever it takes to avoid riding close to one.
Ouch. I have to admit I don't like riding along them which does happen in some of our state forests occasionally...
Thats one made me remember when I was young, drunk and riping thru the fields at nigh if u drive straight in an wire fence and the higest wire is below steering, stops you shockingly fast, no scratch drived withoth even a helmet, realy hard to get the bike out even witch adrenaline...
Theare was obvios disaster waiting to happen, now on drive in deep grass slow, only in good light so it's posdible to see obsticles.
I've ruined knees that like to twist and tear in various ways at the slightest provocation. I therefore absolutely despise things like stalling the bike and tipping over the wrong way down the hill... Instead of putting my leg down to try and stay upright I rather let myself tumble head first down the hill. It's a pretty effective tactic for both saving my knees and for getting laughed at.
An unrelated thing that's horrible are small to medium size greasy logs (well, branches or roots) that are at an 45+ degree to the trail, especially on downhills. I always find a way to panic on those and get either of my wheels to slide along the full length of the long obstacle, resulting in very attractive crashes.
Have to love those greasy angled logs for good video footage lol. I've got dodgy knees now too... even with braces I hate all tip overs in case I put a leg out and jar or twist it the wrong way.
I ride alone a lot, and you're making me re-consider riding across even simple river crossing's as opposed to walking the bike across (me upstream). I think its good advice and I thank you, because "Expect to self rescue. No-one is coming" is the reality in the deserts and mountains of California.
My phobia's?
Exposure.
Not cold, but steep drops.
I really don't see the point of taking such a risk when all it would take is a flame out and you're off to the valley without a parachute.
Still, it'll probably be the speed that gets me, and I'm not frightened of that at all.
Whenever I ride alone I get those same great feelings, either act like a bear is chasing me to go faster, or think about how no one would even know If I break a leg out in the middle of no where 😅.
It's hard to drown in the desert where i do all my riding. But, tore my ACL a year and a half ago. I'm still scared. Haven't got my confidence back yet. Doesn't help that I'm 58 and realizing I don't heal like I used to.
Some of the very steep descents (think King of Moto''s descents) in the desert southwest with exposure sometimes trigger me. There's no stopping once you get going so you're committed to hitting huge rocks and ledges at a good pace while looking straight down, lol.
Koh'24 is getting close too 🤙
On steep slopes falling sideways headfirst into brutal rain ruts when you're riding the narrow elevation to try and stay out of them, wide enough for you to get in, narrow enough to stay stuck there with the bike on top.
My first crash ever was overcooking a sharp corner on tarmac in the mountains. After that for a few years during emergency braking, especially downhill, I'd get a cold tingling feeling in my stomach that would go up my spine and make me feel lightheaded. Since then PTSD made more sense to me and how one can have no control over it. With time the reaction went away.
I've had the same thoughts, these unpleasant reactions are probably just a hint of what full blown PTSD is with uncontrollable panic attacks.
Go Larry! I am continuing to work , harder as the years go on , but still to be a Larry. Motorcycles for life!
I'm 27 and ride enduro alone alot as my main form of fitness (mind and body). I've been riding dirtbikes (mostly) and roadbikes for about a decade now and obviously have had a few close calls and a handful of faster enduro offs where it's been luck more than skill & gear that kept me without broken bones or worse when I reflect on them. I'm an engineer/professional where labouring to death over 'risk' is our bread and butter and riding is always an activity where I don't know what I'd do without it but also has me regularly becoming quite philosophically into the way I ride, specific risks I take on rides and reflecting occasionlly after the adrenaline wears off. Knee braces, quality boots, composite, multi density eps, antirotational tech helmets and trying to focus on slower enduro/cross training style challenges to get the enjoyment from riding rather than balls out speed are all things I hope will keep me alive and mobile into old age but I certainly understand the phobias events you refer to - for some reason breaking a femur is one of my worst fears from doing a poorly timed/too fast or unwise recovery dab at pace and one that also gives me that goosebump/shock feeling when scenarios I think play out wherethose kind of injuries occur. That's a confronting experience having to deal with an accident/first response and death Barry, no doubt it would rock me and have me hyper-analysing my own decsion making too. Interesting vid :)
Oh yeah and I'll add being trapped injured under my bike in a river to the list cheers for that ;)
I think my biggest fear with a broken femur is asking another guy to put his hand in my crotch lol. A few years back a driver cut me off, I hit a fence, flipped over and slid down an embankment. Instant massive swelling of my thigh so I suspected a femur break. I told this passing cyclist if I pass out it could be a nick in the femoral artery and he'd need to apply lots of pressure uncomfortably close to my, er, boys. Thankfully it was just a massive bruise. 😗
Definitely a legitimate concern if riding in/near water. A well known rider in my area was killed this way years ago. I have heard other stories of riders trapped this way as well but luckily rider partners helped them out. I'd say if you are ridng near water like this better not to ride alone. Other than that just ride and no worries.
The single string bridges get me every time. Their just so intimidating. Great topic to highlight!
Sorry for your loss, but it’s great to see you back doing what you love ….what we all love. As time marches on we are all a bit more weary, sometimes at the start of a trail I say “ go easy, leave a little in reserve “ next thing you know, we are 18 again and sideways, somehow this hobby has a way of eeking it out of us…
It certainly does 😁
Personally I don't have any phobias or traumatic experiences. Which make me feel especial RESPECT for those of you who have them and keep riding! 💪
I agree with you whole heartedly on the water trap issue. I have been pinned under my bike many times and had to await rescue. Even with the thoughts of a broken limb and pinned on dry ground I can wait a long time for rescue if need be, not so much if I my head is under water. I was once stuck under the 690 face down after going down in a puddle that was 6 inches deep while at the time I was not in danger of drowning, but it certainly came to mind that any deeper or if the angle and slope of the bike was keeping me down lower it could have been bad or at least a very real struggle to keep my head up.
Yes janky bridge crossings over water always give me a bit of a nervous feeling, you never know how long that bridge is going to keep my fat arse over the span or if it is so slick that I just ride into it. Did this once while trail running where I took a nose dive and landed on the edge of the bridge and then rolled into the gully, again fortunate. Water is absolutely unforgiving!
I worry more than others about a tree falling on me
I had an event that had me worried about drowning in a mud puddle. I went through the middle and the bike was stuck up to the cases. When I stepped off the bike into the jeep track I never touched bottom as my head was below my seat and falling I pushed the bike away and made a push towards the side of the trail. And grabbed a log. I never felt the bottom.
How tall are you? Jeep track and no bottom sounds interesting.
It’s so easy to ride over that bridge but every time I’m terrified 😮
Wheelies. I'm ok popping up small ones for logs and trail features but big ones nooo.
I looped out a mountainbike 20 yrs ago practising long stand-up wheelies and the pain from my head, neck and back were enough to put me off for life lol.
Happened me years ago in a tiny stream. Got stuck under the bike with my face bearly above the water..if it wasn't for one of the lads jumping in to lift the bike off me id be screwed...valid phobia i think
I recently had about 1/3 of my left ring finger distal phalanx bone amputated due to a really stupid rider error (got the fingertip ripped off after being caught between the clutch lever and the handlebar). I took a break from riding for about 6 weeks (just enough time for it to heal) and went right back to it. Whatever fears I had were gone in time for the Corduroy enduro not even two months later. The thought that it was so statistically unlikely to happen and that I can prevent it in the future by developing my clutch skills, is enough for me not to worry about it. It did give a greater sense of riding safely from the perspective of avoiding riding alone and preparing myself to the best of my ability (carrying a small first aid kit).
Ouch. So that was the flag style hand guards, not the full wrap around ones?
@@crosstrainingenduro haha you'd think so. No, only this guy is dumb enough to figure out a way to do this with full wraparound handguards.
Hard packed gravel roads with off camber edges. When I come to a corner, having to lean the bike over at all scares the crap out of me. If it were dirt, or pavement I wouldn’t have a problem. Probably came from binning it on several occasions as an ankle bitter😅. Not as big a problem today as I can spin my back wheel to do a drift around.
Always enjoy the riding and commentary. That was one sketchy bridge!
Didn’t know it was a phobia until it happened, or at least this encounter caused it. I was riding the in the mountains east of San Diego by myself, and having a great ride exploring a new area. On my way back to my truck, I said to myself, “man it would suck if someone came ripping up this trail. I have nowhere to go but down the side of this mountain.” No sooner I said that, it happened. I rounded a left bend in the trail, and I was immediately met with a rider barreling up the singletrack. His handlebar clipped my left elbow, which ripped my hand off the bars, and I nearly went sailing off the cliff. Narrowly escaping a true disaster, I will rarely ride alone anymore. Especially in a new riding area.
Close shave! 😗 It's one o the things we like about doing slower technical tracks... very little risk of head ons.
That would freak me out as well. We have two way trails in Michigan that are tight, and I was coming downhill around a blind left hander and another rider was coming up with some speed, I leaned to the right almost falling down a hill, and they ran right into me trapping my left foot and stopping me essentially. Blind turns, especially on hills mess with me a little now, so I just try to keep my speed under control, stay to the right if I can, and look as far ahead as possible.
Those head ones can be a worry for sure, Jacob. 😗
roling down a gorge in late afternoon, going on foot to unvestigate possible exit find nothing then loose the bike in the dark...three hours walk to paved road, lucky didnt fall on any sheperd dogs, then at about midnight find light and looking for ride in full gear...next day spot easy shortcut. Claustophopbia in the bottom off the gorge...
As a kid fear stopped me from doing just about anything. Now I think about the situation that is scaring me and make a logical choice/risk assessment and ignore the feeling in my guts. My head is smarter than my guts 😂.
Most afraid of the steep and long descents personally😮 I just feel like im going to nose dive. Steep terrain is 45° or more where we ride.
I was once attacked by a swarm of bees while resting in yhe middle of a trail, nowhere to run. By far the scariest thing i've felt while riding
I have had my front tuck and I have gone down numerous times. At 60 years old I'm paranoid of those hard crashes due to mud.
I didn't have any particular phobias, until I watched this video... thanks mate!
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Man I need some enduro friends. Love your videos!
Cheers Reece!
I got cellulitis in my left ankle one year from riding in a very dirty mud hole for a few hours.. the infection was very painful and had me thinking I could lose my foot. Since then, I fear getting really wet while riding and avoid water quite a lot. I always carry spare socks and plastic bags for my feet if I do emd up getting soaked.
I answer to your question; its the bike landing on me attempting a hill climb. I've had a few close ones and seen 1 very bad one, hospital trip etc
Beyond that, breaking a nail or getting wet
Breaking a nail! 😗
Don't get me started on fearful comments and getting anxious. I just pooh my pants now on any steep hill going down.. i used be a gun rider but as I got older 65 and smarter I got slower and not as driven. I still riding but just don't seem to have any more. Also picking these heavy bikes today is also getting to be a problem.. I ride an SWM RS500 with a large tank and I gotta say that really does make you pooh your pants for really, all that back pressure...!!!!
I have a local (90 min drive) state park that I was riding with my son years ago in the summer. I have no idea how this happened but I fell off a steep hillside trail, below and leg under the bike the bike on dry grass and slid down into a ravine where I was pinned. The more I struggled, the further I slid down and I was at an awkward angle where I couldn’t lift the bike and my boot was hooked on something where I couldn’t kick it off.
If my son didn’t turn around to come looking for me, I have no idea how anyone would have spotted me down that hill even if they happened upon that lonely trail.
Now that my sons moved out of state, as much as I love them, since I don’t have friends that ride any more and I ride alone, I stay away from these fun but lonely trails. It sucks but it but seems the smart thing to do.
You have to hate those freak scenarios. When we stop to regroup I always start to get a bit edgy if we have the last rider not show up within a minute for just that reason... I usually head back to look for them and thankfully never found them injured!
@@crosstrainingenduro Yeah. I met up with a group of riders a few years ago and after about an hour I was riding behind and I sunk a valve. 30 hrs on a rebuild too. Stopped my day. Not one of them came back to see if I crashed or had a mechanical. I luckily got towed out by a nice guy on an ATV. I still think they’re yahoos but nice yahoos at least.
Not so much on the trail, but riding road bikes, I struggle to corner fast doing right handers, I don't know if it's a result of having 3 very serious lowsides doing right handers, or if it was a preexisting condition that caused those offs. As I age, I can definitely feel my right hand cornering is getting worse. As far as offroad goes, I actually feel like I've overcome most of my fears (relative to my skill level) I struggle with steep climbs, but I feel like that's a lack of skill, not a fear.
I was once stuck on a very hard single track for 2 days and had to work my way down a river to get back to the main track i now only ride single track when i have a friend with me.
When I did my ankle in Cape York, had to cross a narrow ledge above waterfall and dabbed with broken ankle (instinct and forgot it was broken) - landed under bike under water and couldn’t lift it off. Luckily the boys were quick to help 🙈 similarly with a TT600 about 30 years ago on a narrow ledge above river. Was much younger then and managed to get myself out while others were laughing of course 😂
The folly of our our youth! 😁 I shudder when I think of the close scrapes I had in my 20s and 30s and I just laughed it off back then...
Snakes freak me out! Had one on a peddle bike once get wrapped up in the spokes as a teen.
I broke my back in an atv accident, (car hit me), I flew into a tree. Riding hard Enduro and single tracks flying through tight trees gives me flashbacks of laying underneath a tree with a broken back... every once and a while my back goes out, but I NEVER stop riding, bad back, new injuries, nothing will keep me off two wheels !
Glad you survived that one. I was kind of lucky with the timing of my spine fracture, it had happened right at the start of covid lockdowns so I would have been stuck at home anyway lol.
Watching Moto Stars channel really creeps me out and gets me scared. I had a bitumen road crash at 120 km many years ago, After 9 months of revalidation, I just stepped on the motorbike and drove away without any problems. Like a rabbit sitting in the middle of the highway at night, concentrating on the lights approaching it, maybe focusing and concentrating on a possible danger isn't the right choice? Thanks for your great channel❤
Glad you survived that one... the fastest I slid down the road was only about 80kmh and that was bad enough. Thankfully I had full leathers on but it ripped the crappy single stitching on the jacket wide open and I had a bad graze on the hip where the jacket lifted.
@@crosstrainingenduro ahhh, "battle scars" 🙂 These skin grazes can be very painful for a while though. Take care, ride safely. ♥
Impaling myself, losing an eye, bears
My friend hit a dear at 60mph at night sliding on road, have had times when jumped almost on me from bushes, tend to don't ride in contry roads in they bussy walking hours
Don't like the steep clifs near the trail, just try to make new one a bit off the cliff edhe, don't want to fall to die 😂
Trapped under water is a big one for me! The other is falling while loading and having the handle bar or footpeg stab me. . I recently sold all my trail bikes, except my '76 Elsinore 125, and purchased a Beta Explorer. I did this because the Explorer is 150lbs, electric, and incredibly easy to ride and load. Riding gooey greasy trails can demolish one's confiodence, but being able to pick up the bike multiple times turns it into a giggle fest instead of a sphincter challenge.
The old Elsinore, Gwynne... have to love that underslung exhaust!
Talking about trapped underwater, we are hearing bad news about all the rain in CA. Hopefully you and your place are okay?
We are all one traumatic experience away from been cautious. I say, until you are 100% sure, walk it. Rather safe than sorry. Riding cautious means I get to ride again tomorrow.
Has anyone link to the mentioned romaniacs Johnny Walker underwater video?
i seen colton haakar get knocked out and trapped under his bike in a creek and nearly drowned till a spectator or photographer saved him. never knew same thing happened to johnny.
Had brake fade on a steep decent and lost front and rear brakes. Now on steep descents I walk my bike while my buddy's cost by me. It's my only weakness but it bothers me so much it sucks
I too will not drive through water well rivers steams I hate being near water with my bike lol
I wasn't fucking worried about water, until now!
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Overshooting steep downhill corners & sending it off the mountain side on the heavy adv bike. 😳 Handled by ALWAYS ensure abs is off road mode & start descents with speed well in control. You can always go faster if you want, but you can always slow those pigs down soon enough.
I do get much more careful. Cliffs; long steep downs. With time, and as a rule of thumb, I go motorbike riding. Which means when I´d be a faster offroader in bipede jogging modus, I leave the 120kg metall ballast at the foot of the trail or at home. Two weeks ago I went on goat trails south of Italian dolomites, and the friend and guide had the same spirit, so lots of steps and inclines, the occasional mutual help or second try, but mostly RIDING.
We love those slow technical rides, Franck. Often we get back to the cars and we have done less than 10km lol.
@@crosstrainingenduro Yes yes, and you found psychotherapeutic support in creativity doing videos. Don't worry, insanity in me too, 175km/h in the desert. And thanks for the psy help of your channel, I feel less alone :-)
Definitely worry about getting impaled by broken trees / branches. Neck area is not well protected.
I try to wear as much protection as I can, even though it takes about 30 minutes to get dressed before a ride lol. Knee braces, good boots, body armor and obviously a helmet leave most of my body covered though.
Considered wrist braces to avoid hypertension but then I'll just be Iron Man at that point. Maybe I'll get some chain mail for my neck 😂
To each his own.
Head on collisions
Riding Irish twisty roads on early morning, when the farmers drove there, leaving mud from their big wheels. The fear is when I go down, will slide under the oncomming car.
Totally admire your determination skipper for getting through but for me not worth it, Paddling( to some extent) through a potentially life or bike ending journey is not your best acheivment.Many other things i have seen you do in the vids are advanced and your skills are good.IMHO better to do these tracks far away from a deep river or cliff edge.Thanks for the video,it may save my life one day⚠
Getting speared by sticks is my main phobia
What is your definition is incontinence?
Your riding mates wouldn't stand there laughing as you drown, they would be getting out their phones to get a video of you struggling trying to not drown... But they would jump right in to help after you don't come up for air. Probably in time to save you. Maybe...
My fear is getting seriously injured and unable to ride or even walk out since I ride alone
I wish I had friends to ride with but it rarely works out.
With Spot, Inreach, cell phones, and other aids it isn't like the old days, but that's my worry anyway.
Understood and completely fair. You have to get decent photos and video first, even if your buddy has multiple compound fractures and pass out from arterial bleeding. 😂
Things that put fear into me:
- Deep water crossings
- Steep and long hill climbs that I almost make to the top
- Trails next to steep drop offs
- Eating anything that I know will make me poop my pants
- Pooping my pants in public ( I actually enjoy it in private)
- Seeing the look on my wife's face when I come limping in the house after a ride.
Enjoying it in private... 🤔 Something most of us can look forward to in our 80s. 😂
I went down a step incline into the creek - bike on top of me in water over my head. I was so concerned about the bike that I forgot about any danger to myself.
Fortunately it was an electric bike and I rode it out and home without any issues.
Damn! Bike first is a good philosophy for avoiding fear, Eric lol.
I am mostly apprehensive about hitting other riders head on in tight single track. Luckily a lot of the places I ride are under the radar to most people and you never seem to see anyone. Sometimes you really get going out there and remember that another rider could be right around the next corner and you wont have time to stop
It's time to cut out a go-around.
Nice tracks, probably need some chainsaw work after the storm’s
Unless they are the right sized trees and now it's an endurcross track, Pete? 🤔😁 Hope all is going well for 2024!
Im mostly just scarred of not having enough success in life so i cant buy all the motorbikes i need
😂👍
Two scenarios get me. Overtaking the crest of a hill at speed is one. Reason being is this is how I had a head on with another rider and fractured three vertebrae, bulged a disc, and got a concussion that took over a year for all the aftereffects to go away. Second, anything that involves some decent height and I can fall off of like your little rooted trail with a creek below situation. Why? I don't know. Heights get to me now and I don't understand why. I use to fly open cockpit ultralights without issue! Ugh.
Weird how things can change over time. Heights can unnerve me a bit nowadays, although zero issues when I was into rock climbing 30 years ago...
Correction...they would have filmed you drowning while laughing all for Yootoob glory..:)
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