Modular Table Accessories Getting NUKED! (a lot of them)
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Damn, Matt was so right about the Hobby Shelf system cannibalizing the Modular system.
Literally seconds after he said it, they just wiped their entire product line.
CEO material
He's just that good.
There's a reason I voted for him to be CEO.
Do you remember what episode he said it in?
As others have said, the move to silicone feels a bit "cheap." Have you looked into wet-molded leather? Or leather-covered inserts? Would really elevate the quality.
I’m sure you have looked at this so feel free to ignore. I work in automation for manufacturing. When we have a high sku count operation with a step with uncontrollable yield a supermarket/kanban could be a great tool. The goal is keep a set qty of each blank out of rip chop in stock and that number is set based on the monthly/weekly forecast (depending on how many batches you do daily). Downstream can the pull and produce with a much more repeatable yield. The upstream then uses the stock level in the supermarket for signals on what to make more of. Shortens the feedback window and speeds up the downstream production because you know how many good blanks you have vs guessing a yield out of different bunks of wood. Also allows the rip chop crew to have a goal, keep the supermarket full. Ok stepping of my soap box now, carry on.
Sounds like a space iasue for them, that theyre oretty much working at capacity
Could also be a consideration for the dream workshop they still have going on the back burner.
I like your funny words magic man!
I think the nesting system is part of what your products above everone elses. While the sales may not be as high i think knowing that i could get them once i saved up enough to get them is part of the appeal of getting the MTG.
Yes, product overload is bad for business, however i do think the nesting system is very appealing and not to mention you display it all the time in your ads on tiktok and instagram posts.
Food for thought.
I did exactly this, i purchased my table in the first kickstarter, was waiting for funds and sales to open up online to purchase accessories, but got those through MGT2, and its what Im planning on continuing in MGT3 for new stuff as desired, or like i did this year, in Christmas sales. I buy modularly based on funds, and I want wood because of it, not plastic.
It would be really cool to see the nuked products have their cad files released for 3d printing enthusiasts to still make the accessories at home
Businesses usually retain intellectual property like designs instead of giving it away XD
This Episode: Certified NOT Pooze
I feel like you guys are becoming way more okay with plastic vs wood than I ever thought you would be. I feel like you would not even consider those plastic inserts a few years ago.
Necessity is the mother of innovation.
You're not wrong and I would argue that I've not been a fan of the entire modular table line because it moves away from the "heirloom" concept they've touted all along.
the modular table is hands down VASTLY better in every aspect as a consumer it terms of value over time and money. Heirloom is just a fancy way of saying "unique and expensive" @@Joshua_Tymchyn
came here to say this, im now very glad i have the wood accessories i do have...
@@alliroarr6180 Right? If I had the money to buy from Wyrmwood, I’d expect wood, not plastic. Of course I’d see what I get before ordering, but lack of wood options would bum me out.
As somebody who owns 8 modular component holders and one in every wood from both kickstarters we love the wood variety and aesthetic. Only feedback I have is it would be nice to have a way to divide the trays. For this reason I understand the new design but I wouldn’t consider it a replacement. I think nuking everything else makes sense. The card holders still don’t feel like a winning design largely because there should be a way to angle them away from somebody sitting next to you.
"...there should be a way to angle them away...."
They had that - nuked it.
@@markchapel I owned the original one and it still wasn’t a great design. People had issues with the scratching tables, in my opinion they spit too easily and the arc still revealed part of your hand.
I should also note the power pack is and always has been a poorly implemented product (glad it’s getting nuked). My video on my channel I uploaded shortly after receiving mine showed several issues and I tried to make it work but the charger is so finicky and almost never keeps a device charging. I think it was the biggest flaw in the implementation of that product.
Hex table is the solution. 😊
Totally get the need for nuking SKUs (there's a lot) - but going to vouch for my nested component organizers, I love that it looks like WOOD and has a more seamless look of it belonging with the table than silicone does.
Love the inside baseball on the decisions. Waiting 5-7 months (realistically) for a table is rough. Silicone inserts…now we’ll just 3D print the inserts if we’re just getting cheap materials.
Wyrmwood is supposed to be about high quality, heirloom level pieces that a person can flex a little with their friends. Showing up with some silicone stuff is like a bad boob job. That one’s for Matt to snip.
"Wyrmwood is supposed to be about high quality, heirloom level pieces"
That would be true if you were talking about the Prophecy, but you aren't. We're talking about Modular Game Table, which is LITERALLY designed to be a budget friendly, hand-crafted solid wood table for gamers. This was always going to happen, because there are more people who are interested in bottom dollar pricing than there ever will be trying to get Makassar Ebony small component organizers.
I think you should keep the small wooden component organizers. There's literally only so much room at a table, and sometimes you only want smaller obstacles to navigate into the vault. I do think you should have a Duo insert for cards and components, or offer the card component in a small size so the empty half of a Hobby solo can hold components. Also, storage of a small, dedicated component organizer that is magnetic is more appealing than a bunch of non-magnetic silicone inserts. Plus, wood is infinitely more beautiful than silicone.
Maybe most importantly, WyrmWOOD is a woodworking company that came into being for tabletop gaming accessories. You can't just stop making basic wooden gaming accessories because you've created what you think is a great new system. Not everyone wants an SUV when a sedan would be more appropriate.
You could send a survey to current MGT and Prophecy owners about accessories. "What is your favorite accessory? What is your most used accessory? What accessory were you underwhelmed with? Do you want dedicated wooden accessories or a hybrid system that is interchangeable?" Getting information from proven customers who would be more willing to purchase more from you in the future is important research to have.
MaRkET rEsEarcH!? Whhaaaa?
Anyone can make silicone pieces, I like Wyrmwood for the ....WOOD
Survey is a great idea!
Also, as already mentioned: I am buying you for the wood. There's not one single silicone thingy at our table - nor will it ever be.
A survey of existing accessories, with properly phrased questions, would make a lot of sense. As would having a custom section for premium product lines they don't want to make. "Would you like some overtime? Cool, come in on Saturday, and spend five hours hand crafting premium accessories which we charge a lot more for." I dunno, I just feel like they want to be able to charge for premium pieces, have great woodworkers and crafters, and don't really do much in the way of making genuinely expensive gear. Just make small batches of stuff.
Go ahead and nuke the headphone stand. I’ve already got and love mine!
I like the silicone approach. It makes it easier to try a new component, without having to be sure I'm definitely 100% going to use that $90 (per person!) accessory. I can swap them out for different games or activities or use them for snacks. Part of the edge the gaming table has over other tables is the modular system to make the table playable for your group, which means, if you can't afford the accessories, you're not getting the most out of it. I bet a lot of people pick up some of the silicone accessories this time.
Not sure that silicone items are the way forward. Doesnt scream quality or craftsmanship to me. Certainly wouldnt be something I'd purchase if i had a table (and i would, but you dont make a table small enough to fit on a boat :p)
Silicon screams "mass Chinese made"
What about the liliput tables?
In my mind I've always wanted to have multiple sets of 3 component organizers, being 1 regular and 2 nested on the sides, each set being a different wood. Replacing them with the silicone things seems like a mistake to me. I would have considered adding 1 card holder per set to swap out the middle tray for certain games, if they were the same length as the component organizer, but they're shorter so it looks weird.
The rest of the potential 'nukings' seem like the right call to me.
Glad you guys are taking the “less is more” mentally for the company. You have to appeal to the widest target market available to you and let silicone inserts, or laser cut wood, fill your smaller audiences (dnd character trackers, poker chip holders, game piece or hard holders, pen holders, etc)
Running on just in time margins for something that relies on optimisation for scale to work is your problem.
Personally I am ok with a good amount of those nukes, but not for card holders, and component organizers. Simple classic, look nice and personally like more than the hobby self.
With nuking all the individual component organizer and cardholder SKUs, I think y'all should look into bringing something like the "card shelf" concept back (all-in-one component + card holder) even if it needs some re-engineering. It looks extremely handsome in wood (vs. the cheaper silicone) and gets used & admired in almost every game we play. We've had a lot of folks over for games who were interested in getting their own table after playing at ours, only to be disappointed that accessory wasn't available.
per the kickstarter backer update the card holder did not get nuked, it's going to stay. But yeah the dual component organizer and card shelf was amazing, I want them back too.
Looks like it is worth a redesign. The main reason it got canned was that it wouldn't swivel correctly. Probably due to variance of the holder being inconsistent against the rail. They'd have to find a way to 1) make it simpler to build and 2) have it be steady.
@@PeruvianHeadShrinker -- I had to do a slight adjustment with mine at the direction of Wyrmwood when they first arrived, and since then they've been great. I vaguely recall there was discussion that they killed it because of build complexity (but maybe we can get that back in exchange for killing all those other SKUs and/or a re-engineer)?
FWIW, I really love the swivel functionality. I almost never turn it 180 degrees, but I frequently put it to one side and turn it a little so that my cards are facing me but I have an unobstructed view of a player board below (which the current flat designs can't do-either the cards don't face you or the accessory blocks your view straight down).
We also bought 5 of the shelf organizers in wave 1 and we love them. I get they are horror in production with the spinning and stuff, but just rework the design. They are awesome, even if they don't get mounted and spin
I know a lot of comments on here are going to have their pet favorite accessory and it doesn't necessarily mean it was a good seller overall, so here's mine: the headphone stand is by far the WW accessory I use the most frequently. It lives by my computer/TV, and my phones are on and off all the time. It helps alleviate the stuff-pile-stability problem and makes it much easier to charge them. Also, it's way nicer looking than a plastic version to have in my living room. Yeah, it's pricy, but in my book it was definitely worth it. And I had my doubts when I decided to buy it that it would be this useful.
I'm also a little sad about the nesting accessories, because I very often have a mug of something and a glass of something else and it would have been a nice aesthetic. I had planned to pick up some nesting cupholders this time around. But I can live without them I guess.
More shower thoughts, and I know this is probably unrealistic logistically, but it would be nice if WW had a section of the shop dedicated to small orders of retired items. It would definitely make them more expensive but it would be a feel-good for the many of us who wanted them but didn't have the money available at the time.
Hate the concept of using silicone inserts to replace everything. Its going from a "modular wooden table" to a table that can have a modular silicone mold. The wood is king!
Seconded.
Yeah, I'm not sure at what point this makes Wyrmwood no longer a company that makes wood products.
I dont think this is the case overall. The idea is to remove the wooden parts that sell the LEAST, and if they have a silicone version already, that will still be available. Most of the products they are nuking in this video do not have a silicone counterpart.
Overall I agree, but the idea as far as I can tell, it will remain a modular wooden table. It is just by doing silicon insert, they can keep offering weird and wild ideas for modules. If they do not cut some, and try to optimize their lineup, they will have to stop innovating on their core modular products. That is how I understood it, and then their choice make a lot of senso imo.
Also consider that the silicone inserts are inserted into a wooden accessory. So it's still a wooden product. Just like the accessories with leather bottoms aren't leather products, they're still wood.
Player power pack opinion: Engineer something that a "standard" consumer battery could fit in. Then the only thing you are on the hook for with the Craftsman Promise is the holder and not the battery or its function. I know there are a lot of consumer battery geometries but a quick Google search can tell you the the most popular ones and their dimensions...
Or bring it back when Qi 2 becomes normal - which will mean it can charge through the entire accessory. So you just ship a normal one, and slap a wireless power brick under it with simple attachments they supply to hold it in place. But yes, why it isn't just a cradle you put your own power bank in, I don't know.
@@jonevansauthor People have been waiting for Qi 2 for a long time. I wouldn't hold my breath about how soon it becomes standard if it ever does since it competes with Apple Magsafe, and we know how much Apple loves competition. They won't allow their phones to charge at top speed if a bunch of certifications aren't obtained.
@JZiLLADragon I always felt the power pack was a product that was dead in the water because it was the accessory most likely to go obsolete quickly. This turned out to be true because there have already been newer charging standards since it was released, and more are coming. Also, there really isn't a standardized battery size, and many phones use different charging standards. You are better off getting a hobby shelf and whichever wireless charging battery pack works with your phone off Amazon for about 20 bucks.
I'd rather not have the accessory then get it in sylacon
Hate it so much you can't even stand to spell it, huh?
@@WyrmLyfe Rude
I mean... you don't have to buy it... so you will be able to not have it.
We already have a small table, and plan on using the expansion tool when we move to a bigger place and can fit a bigger table, but this makes me nervous since we might not be able to buy matching accessories.
Will y’all release a list of what products did have good sales, so we know those are safe from becoming silicon or thrown out?
I like the idea of a "Wyrmwood Secret Menu" where you cut all these designs from your new kickstarter and main storefront, but for the wyrmlings in the know who have been following MGT since the beginning there's still a way to order legacy concepts/wood types direct from customer service (possibly at a more premium price as they would not be crafted at volume). It lets everyone who bought a table in MGT1 or MGT2 have a way to continue to expand their original table and match what they own, but new customers won't even know what they are missing and thus don't have any expectations to miss out on. Plus now you can order a "Component Organizer, Animal Style" (Zebrawood obviously).
Release the designs and prints to the wild. I'd take on making small runs of accessories, especially the all wood ones lol
They should pick a day. Then sell a limited run of the legacy accessories on that day every year.
I just want them to bring back some of the products they nuked in mgt 1.0 that they never built. I wanted the tv insert so bad
Glad you guys are improving. I have friends asking if they should back the next KS, but my table is 4 months late and hasn't arrived yet so I can't in good faith give them a positive review.
Why not? It's a KS, you are not buying in a store for a fixed date. Our table was almost 2 years late. Sucked, for sure, but it's still the best piece of furniture we bought the last years. What's the point of not backing? Waiting for another 3-4 years until production hopefully aligns the demand? Sounds like it's not well thought.
Its pretty easy actually. If you cant deliver a product in a timely manner, and some people need it in a timely manner. Some people move in two years between when they expected a table. Some people are building homes with MGT in mind, but the home is complete and now there dining room table that was planned for 3 months after construction doesnt come in till two years after the home is built is just bad. It maybe the "best furniture ever" but at some point you are going to the furniture store and just getting a dining room table that will hold you. Being late is bad. End all be all.
@Toyall1 Then do so, that's the point. You are NOT buying from a store, you are buying KS. All episodes here, from the beginning till now, show where your money is going. It's improving a company with machinery, staff, surveillance, and controlling. You don't like it - don't buy it.
You all seem to forget KS rules:
1. Be happy if you get it.
2. Be happy if it's have as good as promised.
You want a table in time? Deposit for prophecy. You want a more affordable table? Be patient or buy somewhere else.
@@afk_82My one question is WHY are they still pushing kickstarters? Didn't they have a video months back about getting AWAY from doing constant Kickstarters? From everything we've seen in previous WyrmLyfes and from what he's saying, TABLES should be pretty reliable to make a ship at a specific cadence, so if they absolutely MUST still do a KS, why not JUST do accessories for the KS, and focus on just building and shipping tables from the website?
@gregsimoes8645 Well, THAT'S the valid question 😀 apparently, that would mean layoffs, I think Doug said. I'd love to buy from their site as it would mean that internationals are one step closer to be able to get more tables ^^
The silicone inserts are nice, but you kinda lose the classy aesthetic of an all wood accessory.
These accessory cuts all make sense to streamline production.
And BTW, THESE are the Wyrmlife episodes I miss having everyday!!!
The thing I love about Wyrmlife is the at-scale engineering and design discussions just like this. It's refreshing to see you explore a broad range of sku options and aggressively trim back offerings to solve real problems. I agree with many folks here that the all-wood products feel nicer (both physically and emotionally) but the combination products seem like much easier products to scale.
Oh yeah ... ahem ... please pooze me on that end card!
Feels weird to remove component organizers all together. Component organizers and cupholders are really the only accessories that actually get used consistently. As a persobal preference, I would never buy any of the silicone accessories. The cool part about the original campaign was that everything was made from hardwood. I also think there are a lot of people who will find they want to buy more component organizers down the road, as they use the table and have more spending money. I also don't know if I would have bought the table without component organizers in a matching wood, they are the main gaming accessory.
I’m gonna be honest, I won’t be buying any of the silicone inserts and I have the hobby shelf. I don’t really like the way the silicone looks and I’m nervous that all of the wooden accessories are just slowly get replaced by silicone ones. I think it’s okay to have silicone options to wood accessories for more affordable options but I don’t think they should replace wood accessories. For example, I don’t like the idea of getting rid of the wooden card decks in favor of the silicone ones because do you now have to buy a hobby shelf for every person at the table so they can all have a silicone card holder insert? I’m just confused on how that’s supposed to work.
You don't have to buy a hobby shelf... but you could. There is a smaller version coming that will fit the inserts. I think they are calling it the Hobby Solo.
@@SPRTN085 I mean I own a hobby shelf, but in this scenario if you wanted to have multiple card organizers at the table that locked into the magentic rails ... everyone would need a hobby solo and the silicone organizer? Buying that setup for 4-6 players is significantly more expensive than just 4-6 wooden card holders currently. I have four card organizers currently, because we play a lot of card-based games where you will have individual hands and so I'm just a little weirded out by them leaning into silicone inserts to replace standard table accessories.
@@malglove how do you know its significantly more expensive if they haven't announced the prices?
@@SPRTN085 This is how I based my opinion (all prices based on Black Walnut, the most popular wood's pricing):
The card organizers are $60.
The hobby shelf is $150. Even if the hobby solo is 50% the price of the hobby shelf, that is still $75. I don't think that the hobby solo will cost less than $75, given the size estimations they have given about what the hobby solo will hold, but I will be pleasantly surprised if it did. That does not include the silicone inserts (likely around $12 - $15 based on similarly large inserts they have on the site) or if you want the end caps as well (which are $65 a pop as well).
If the hobby solo is somehow the same price as the card organizer, at $60 (mind you that is 40% the price of the hobby shelf), and the inserts are $15 a piece; that brings the per person total to $75. If you wanted to supply something for a table of four players, that just went up from $240 to $300. If you go with still a very charitable price of $75 per hobby solo, then that jumps up to $360. If you wanted to put end caps on those hobby solos (which I would recommend so your cards don't get knocked off easily) that puts you back another $260 for a total somewhere in the range of $560 to $620.
I think I am being pretty generous on my price estimations, but I think it's pretty easy to come to an opinion just looking at how much current accessories cost.
Honestly I agree with most of the nuking options and I am glad they are still available up on request. However here are my complaints.
1) the wooden accessories. You have already stated in previous videos you want to be the premium brand. Silicone inserts are the cheap looking options so the component organizer and the card holder wood only options should stay.
The nested ones could go. I haven't seen much use for them but another person might think differently.
2) battery power pack. That seems so useful. I honestly want one but I don't have a table so it wouldn't be worth it. I understand the reason why it's getting nuked but if it gets so many complaints then I would suggest showing it some more love and redesigning it .
Someone else in the comments mentioned doing a survey of table owners and what accessories they love. This is a very good idea. Hear from your customers
So when is the MGT going to be made out of silicone? Wyrmsilicone.
Its really good to see them slim down their options. I makes 100% sense how it will streamline shipping, with the adjusted shipping approach. Though, I also feel like that may help them streamline their lumber purchasing (lowering cost hopefully). If they do adjust their options.
I have the hobby shelf and I have no interest in buying any silicone inserts for holding cards or tokens etc. If i was going to do that I would just buy a regular card holder made by someone else and put it on the hobby shelf.
Additionally I think getting rid of the component holders are a mistake. Additionally I wouldn't be surprised if there were a lot of people that would normally buy wooden accessories that also happen to 3d print things. They buy the wood for the luxury but if you are going to make it silicone why wouldn't they just print it themselves in pla or something.
The only reason I was possibly considering backing this year was to get those since I skipped them last year and I would like a smaller thing to hold components with.
Personally I really like the nested items especially the cup holders as it allows more stuff to fit and take up less space. But I can see how the regular version of the cup holder is otherwise adequate.
I love the fact that Doug has a headphone stand on the desk behind him as you nuked production of it in the future. I see a niche market for Wyrmwood collectible accessories in the future
Wait wait wait.... We're keeping the un-nestled ones? I feel like everything should be nestled and nuking the standalone ones no?
Sales are guiding it. Given the option between the two, people wanted the un-nested ones more.
They could make right-angled pieces instead of the angled ones... then everything nests by default. It would work for the MGT, but not Prophecy...
Damn...the roach stepped out of the basement into the beautiful sunrise...only to look down at the glue trap it was standing on! 🤣
I want those Hex Table corner dice trays from a few weeks ago so bad
Hex table needs some love
These lessons on production management are sooo cool.
Can't get such good examples at any college lecture.
Here is just one idea, when people submit support tickets for "where there table is" Just don't have customer support tell them it's coming. actually escalate it to someone who can do something. I know for my order, my table is that expensive. Rustic Black Walnut Medium wide with toppers. But I have over 4000$ in accessories. that's 47 items your keeping in storage for just 1 or 2 things. You really just need to ship out the tables I was told 4-6 weeks back on Feb 7th. Still don't know when I'll get my table and it's been over 8 weeks. Since i was told max 6 weeks. and 4 months late from when I was supposed to get my order. I've put in 3 support tickets. still nothing. I was hoping the increase in production would drive up deliveries. but looking at your charts. it's been a steady decline week after week less is going out. more going into inventory. How hard is it to look at late orders and tally up what's missing and push it through. everything in my order is rustic black walnut.. PUSH some through production. back in feb the list I Was given. 54 BW rustic shield apron. 72 inch apron. topper block and topper block lid and hobby vault. poker chip holder. and matts. I'll cancel my matt order if I could get my table this month. I totally get it wyrmwoood. it's a hard problem to solve. And I don't know what the total fix is for mgt3. (i do data analysis for large companies) So If i had access to your data I could fix it. but in the short term. A.. look at tickets people subit for late orders. B look at the oldest orders C look at the largest old orders and push that stuff out.
If they offered to send what they have, but you had to pay $30 to ship the remaining bits and bobs, would that work for you? I get it could be a logistical nightmare but if there's a bunch of people out there waiting for small things to complete large orders, it might be preferable to a lot of people. For all we know, some of the orders could go immediately and the rest could follow on in a small Amazon size boxed for relatively low shipping.
Shut up.
have you reached back out again? They seemed pretty upfront with me, telling me I was waiting for a couple things... I am assuming the hobby vault being the thing... and told me to reach back out again for an update...
Dunno if anyone else needed this, but I did.
Fiduciary: adj, involving trust, especially with regard to the relationship between a trustee and a beneficiary.
very sad to see the woodenparts go in favour of the plastic stuff.
I understand downsizing on some very niche stuff like the thing that follows the curve of another thing.
But the all wood is why I love your stuff. Why I follow you so to keep reminding myself I want this and one time will buy one.
If I had a bigger house I'd have a table already...
There go all the 1.0 asscessories I have and can't get again....
Just like tavern elm
We use the card holders all the time and love. And I’m very happy all my accessories are wood too.
WyrmSILICONE over here
Hey c'mon man...
@@WyrmLyfe 🤣🤣🤣
Look man, love your products, love the show and as far as parasocial relationships go, love all of the people who appear on the show.
Sometimes you get positive comments, sometimes you get ones that jab at you a little.
You created a strong following and you set high expectations for us. We've come to expect fairness to your workers, to your clients and to your own branding.
Wyrmlyfe has been an incredible boon to your marketing. None the least because of the feedback you get from it.
Keep calm and carry on. Love what you do, I am going to joke about it when it feels like you're straying from the paths you constantly tell us you're trying to walk on.
I personally strongly dislike using flexible materials (silicone) with any flimsy materials (cards, chips).
I'm ok with silicone being used for hard materials like poker chips and dice, but otherwise be careful about what you're changing because it will impact the experience.
I would personally look into cup-drawn or stamped aluminum pieces as an alternative to silicone.
Yikes. No. Hobby shelves are freaking huge. I won't use them to replace the smaller modular components. Even if I did want to commit that much space, the plastic inserts are not as nice as wood. You gotta keep the component holder. It's the core concept behind what was "MGT". I've been wanting to order a few card holders, but the radius makes it usable only one way - on the inside rail. Would making the slots straight make manufacturing easier while at the same time making the part twice as useful for users - both usable on the inside and outside rails? Please keep that one.
they're coming out with smaller versions. I think they are called hobby solo. probably big enough to hold one insert. is my guess.
I know I'm not the only one, but the reason I don't ever look to buy anything from you guys isn't generally due to cost, it's that you can't deliver. It's quicker for me to build it myself than it is to get it from you guys. Trust me, I'd much rather throw some cash your way, then spend a month in my shop. I wanted an MGT, I'd have to wait like 6 months, more likely a year to get it. When I want to buy something, I want it right then and there.
wHAAAA you don't want to wait around for a kickstarter and hope youre at the right place at the right time to catch it before the wait times pile up and then still wait another year after that, who ever could have guessed people want to buy things direct from the website and it ships instead ?? that impossible /s
End caps I think would be more popular if the dials could be in other metals/ colors. Differentiate between heal, mana, money, sanity...etc
I would advocate for a slimmer component organizer. The “shoulder” on the magnet end doesn’t have too much purpose unless you’re using it for small cards in gloomhaven or something. Eliminating that shoulder and making the bowl bigger or making the entire thing smaller would be absolutely great. Also, keep the woods. The hobby stuff is really cool, but there’s also something about the wood and the quality. Silicone just inherently feels cheap even if it has something beautiful holding it
Man it sounds like ya'll should have given customers an options to pay extra to get their table first, and accessories in a second shipment. I bet a TON of people would happily pay an extra $20 to get the accessories later, and get the table right when its ready to ship. Plus side would be clearing out warehouse space, downside is having to double ship which is extra work. Other plus side is more happy customers faster. You could even allow customers to add to their "accessory order" while waiting for it after getting the table. I bet you'd get more sales.
Yup. One guy said he has $4,000 worth of accessories holding up his order. He's got the cash to pay for more shipping and might very well appreciate the option.
Yep! Just figure out shipping cost for the table, and shipping cost for the accessores and then figure out the difference based on the kickstarter shipping costs. No gain or loss for the company and the customer essentially can pay $whatever to get the goods faster!@@jonevansauthor
This is called Split Shipping, and is popular for Awaken Realms on Gamefound.
I think the problem is that a *board game* split shipping is $20-30. Talking about the split for heavy accessories, it's probably in the $75+ range. Might still want to price it and figure out what the inventory space cost allows Wyrmwood to discount that shipping cost by.
i wonder if there system can handle split orderes. might be a way for the order to get lost. Although could probably refund the items on the first order, then create a 2nd order with those items.
I would definitely pay for split shipping. Eithey way I'll end up paying:
1) The opportunity cost of not enjoying the table between now and when it will eventually ship as a single order (at least 3 months).
OR
2) The extra cost of Wyrmwood would charge me to split my order.
For me I think the opportunity cost is higher than the split order cost, but the best solution is for Wyrmwood to provide the option and let people decide what makes the most sense for them. Here I am assuming that shipping partial orders doesn't impact what Wyrmwood produces and so no one should be negatively impacted by this. If anything it'll should free up storage space and make Wyrmwood more efficient. The $25 gift card they sent me one 2 weeks ago as a "sorry your order is so late" is a nice token gesture, but I would much rather they just offer me the option of paying for breaking my order in two (or more).
Jason has the right idea, SKUs cost money, complicate things, slow down production.
Modularly designed accessories are the way to go.
You flashed the OG topper block trays - but you're shipping a really bad final version of those. I'm sure I'll be happy with the table, but that topper block downgrade (especially for the price) still stings.
My concern is it will now cost more money for the same layout of accessories made out of silicone. 6 card holders + 6 component organizers vs. 6 solo hobby shelf + 12 inserts will cost more (and would have to pick what insert to use)
Yes, this is my thoughts exactly. I don't want to have to buy everyone at the table their own hobby shelfs or hobby solos and then have to buy all the silicone inserts too.
the prices would have gone up on the wood products anyway... so hard to really know.
@@SPRTN085that would mean the wood solo hobby shelf also goes up in price. This was an estimate on the solo shelf being $50-60 and each insert averaging to $12.50 all currently the prices on Wyrmwood.
I honestly still haven't paid for my table. I put in $250, but my rent went up, and so now its taking even longer to save. BUT! I'MUH DO IT! NO MORE FOOD OR WATER! I'M SAVING UP! XD But I'm really loving this videos of vulnerability and how the business works. It's honestly fascinating! and eye opening, and grants me even more patience when it comes to ordering furniture. o 3o
Snap. I have been putting off buying accessories until I get the table. Accessories are worthless without the table. I would still try to keep premium options.
Would having a small team of a few people that make "made to order" products that are either limited or not in use/on the website anymore be a solution? It could also be used to fix the situation where you can fufill a small order to complete the shipping and ship out everything at once. Shipping is expensive afterall so cutting that down would make sense. Not sure if it would be more cost effective though since you would need small blanks for certain items. Maybe cut down on some wood loss, using scraps off cuts?
Curious, could you not overproduce a certain % to guarantee fulfillment and leftovers transfer to the next round of orders?
Storage generally sucks, but accessories are not huge items and you end up storing tables anyways that can't be shipped.
Time to rebrand as Wyrmsilicone.
The beauty of a website is that you can still make some things but at a limited quantity and only available through direct purchase. That way he cockroach, for example, could live
well I am glad that I got almost all of those for my table before you nuke3d them. I spend a lot of money on accessories, including nested sets, player desks, the charging pad, hobby vault and the hobby desk WITH counter end caps.
I think having "nice wood one" is your hole brand the silocon is usfule But people come to you because you table will last an age
Its called ship and backorder! Makes sense for small items.
Willing to release the 3d models for cut accessories for 3d printing?
Be nice if you had teams set up. One knew accessories, toppers, and finish while the other one knew legs, rails, finish, etc.....for the tables. They just completed an order together. And then moved on. Then at least you had customers getting orders left and right instead of waiting for some random peice that's not done.
I really dislike the idea of the silicone replacements of things. I know i didnt get a huge amount of the non cup holder accessories last time just because there was only so much I could get at once. However i was planning to get them this time...not going to get silicon though. it looks cheep and out of places next to all the wood
I think nuking the nested cup holder and component organizer is a mistake. As either your using it solo or with another item. If anything nuke the non nested version. I also switching to silicon for everything or most is not a great look. "It doesn't fit the wyrmwood brand" of high quality wood accessories. I get what your saying about the Kickstarter fulfillment. Maybe for the Kickstarter have only small amount of accessories and then the web site has all.
Idk if i am the only one, but if im being honest, I agree with getting rid of most of those accessories...but I would keep the nested cup holders. I what if in the normal cup holder i have whisky glass and maybe i want a chaser beside it. I think it would look better with the nested cup holders tbh. Also, im not sure if the angles are the same, but would the nested cup holders go with the hobby end caps?
The component organizers get used quite a bit around my table, the nested ones not so much (But they are nice to have, I'm glad I bought them when I did since they're being discontinued). Cup holders are a constant, mug holders are the most used (Lots of tea drinkers in my gaming group). The player desks are never used, for their price, I shouldn't have bought them, but oh well. My purchase pre dates the hobby shelf system, though, I have a feeling it would actually be better than the component organizers. Oh, and as my D&D group's DM, I use the hobby vault all the time, it's great.
Shipping partial orders is well understood by companies like Burpee, who have to ship plants based on planting times in different zones. Maybe it would be worthwhile to look at how they solve for that?
It sounds like they are planning on shipping partial orders for the next one. I think the problem with the past orders is that the customers already paid for shipping, calculated based on one large shipment. So, if Wyrmwood suddenly ships out all the partial orders that are waiting, then the remaining pieces when they get done, they'll have to eat the costs of all the extra shipments above what they already charged.
Would be nice if they did the shipping with base items first then accessories on the current DM / GM screen kickstarter.
Morning Wyrmlings!
Can we see the all Silicone table to match the Silicone accessories?
I’ll be sad if the accessories turn into a silicone insert based thing. I do understand the cost savings, but it will almost certainly decrease my motivation to get more accessories down the road. Maybe that would change one day.
For what it’s worth, my daughters LOVE the card holder. They are too small still to hold a lot of cards in their hands so it’s perfect for them to see their cards.
I want to buy one from the website right now. How long would the wait time be if I bought just a table alone.
Hi Cody. If you purchased a table from our website today, you would likely receive it between September/October.
@@WyrmLyfe do you guys have an option for pick up? I live in the area and would rather pick it up than pay shipping?
Huh, guess I'm one of the lucky few with my power pack. Been using it constantly, no issues.
I wish. I have 4, had to send all of them back at one point or another. Can't charge, can't hold a charge (stays on and depletes itself powering that light), etc.
I imagine others might be in the same boat as me, but I didn't buy many accessories because I already had tabletop tiles that fulfilled the same purpose (Tracker, component organizer, card holder).
Haven't had issues with the power pack yet.
For me, the big thing I'm looking for in the next campaign is accessory storage. Anything that can hold all my tiles and trays. Is the cabinet still a thing?
And what I would give for a backpack or case to hold my tiles when I go to a friend's house for game night...
Mostly agree with the outcomes here. They have to be realistic and do what's best for long term. I can easily imagine small sellers coming in to provide niche, high end accessories. It's modular and not proprietary.
Doug showing off those sweet Power BI skills
I know the Hobby solo with the Silicone inserts does the job of the other other Accessories. But Remember your a wood working company. We buy your products for nice looking wood Accessories for the most part. It's nice to have the Silicone as an option. But that is not your attention grabber that gets people to want to spend lots of money on your product
Honestly, These are all smart nukes. Even nesting. However, this makes me curious if it would be better to flatten everything. That sounds drastic, but hear me out! I don't mean completely square. Just a mostly flat side up until it matches the hobby shelf and then round the rest. If that design does match the Wyrmwood aesthetic then it would be a perfect evolution. I think it would at least be worth making a prototype to see how it looks.
Loss on shipping vs loss of trust from potential clients on fulfillment issues. How many possible table customers decided not to order when they realized you were an extra year late on an already long 1 year fulfillment lead?
Hey guys- what about getting a group of independent small manufacturers (crafts people) to produce the small amounts required? Small garage hobby craft people can make smaller amounts- less over head-
Not the card holder/organizer!
I still need to order a Barney insert for my table. Just don't know what to do with the two other felts I've got rolled up sitting around.
Hahaha! The Doug kung fu arm sound effect! Freaking killer!
Why don't you just "Temporarily" Nuke these lines, and then do them as a once or twice a year sale, where you collect all orders for them in one go and then produce enough in one continuous run to fulfill the orders you've gotten?
So... what you're saying is I have a whole bunch of hard to find collectible pieces now... sweet.
Now that's the spirit!
Wyrmwood-->Lesswood-->Wyrmcone-->YaBasic
I wonder if their Board Game bundles are going away. Only the dice tray is not nuked. Or if the new bundles will have the small hobby shelf.
feels like the easy answer but i know it probably isn’t is there a reason you don’t over estimate for each piece say at end of month you need to 100 aim for 150 then you build your inventory
these are the types of videos I love to watch!
Yes, reduce the product/sku complexity, that kills companies. You might make all the accessory tray products from a single inexpensive wood and have wood choice for the table or select items.
Just panic-bought two card organizers in accessory exclusive woods, so there's at least two more you're gonna have to make. Let's prove Doug right!
I wanted the power pack, but if it has that many issues. Personally I don't need my phone charged all the time but it nice to have a backup battery
This is what I like to see...good business. Why survey for a 20-30% response rate tainted by feelings when you have 100% of the pure wallet data at your fingertips? Sure, some customers are going to complain about what they "intended to buy" or "wish they could buy", but at the end of the day, the numbers don't lie.
silicon inserts for mug holders to make them dual mug or component organizers?
Good morning, Wyrmlings.
I'm wood all the way. If I send this much on an AWESOME table, (and it is awesome), I do not want silicone. Silicone seems to cheap'n the table.
Can you guys bring back the tv insert from mgt 1.0 I really wanted that product and am so disappointed it never became a thing !? It would literally change the game for me
Offer fewer woods and just packages.. one package might be 4 cupholders with 4 chargers etc. This will help lower your sku's