FIFA's 1974 World Cup Qualification Disgrace
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- Опубликовано: 16 сен 2024
- In 1973, Chile and the Soviet Union faced each other in qualifying for the 1974 FIFA World Cup finals in West Germany, in one of the most infamous two-legged football matches of all time.
The decision that FIFA took in anticipation of the second leg between the two teams at the Estadio Nacional in Santiago is yet another blot on the copybook of world football's governing body.
Love how HITC Sevens isn't afraid to get political or call-out how shitty FIFA is. Politics is engrained in the sport, so it's nice to see someone comment on it with a fair bit of nuance and grace.
i know this comment is a year old but it's still so true
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Love these historical vids. HITC both channels are literally part of my every day normal life
Ye same
Same here, HITC and One Football are the 1st channels I watch every morning before work. Then my Chelsea FC channels
Watch one video with breakfast and the other on my lunch break
Same. Can't believe quality like this arrives daily.
Same here
I highly recommend all viewers to look up Pinochet and as much about his time in office as possible.
It's amazing how many times Africa gets ignored when talking about brutal dictators, but the lack of education about South American dictators is just scary.
Maybe because the Norteamericanos had a lot to do with carving up Sudamérica for their own benefit. (They would rather we don't know nor talk about that).
Some of the most brutal dictators and military regimes in history came from Latin America, with almost all of them being backed by the United States.
@@mgs1167 Both the Soviets and USA backed absolute monsters of humans. I would not want to be someone who had to "choose" the CIA's backed candidate and the Soviet's.
@@nathanrobinson1099 truth
@@nathanrobinson1099 Allende was also backed by his people, unlike Pinochet
We're still a divided country due to the atrocities of 1973, and will continue to be. Too much blood and pain is involved to forgive or forget.
Thank you for the video and the great content in the channel.
I wholeheartedly agree.
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You're right, we will never stop this shit. Sometimes I think, man just fuck Pinochet fuck Allende fuck the army fuck the MIR, we would have been better off without their crap, left or right, both ruin us
Must’ve sucked living in an authoritarian country ☹️
@@westerosi27 im English and i feel politics everywhere is getting to that point both sides are as bad as each other we need new ideology thats cuts the crap
This was a good history lesson, but another qualification travesty took place in CONCACAF'S 1973 qualification. Trinidad and Tobago had 5 goals disallowed against Haiti (who qualified) and lost the game 2-1. The match officials for that game were banned for life.
Interestingly it wasn't T&T who appealed this injustice, but Mexico.
Mexico? Surprising
do you have some links or whatever to read up on this?
It'd be greatly appreciated
@@Agomacule here's the most detailed write up I know of it: socawarriors.net/senior-team-news/9542-haitian-robberytat-cheated-wc-spot.html
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Thank you for this. Being a Chilean who has a dad that was tortured by Pinochet’s regime is refreshing hearing someone that’s not from home talking about it.
If you can access it, watch the film nae pasaran. It's about Scottish workers who went on strike in solidarity with Chile
@@ns2501 idiot
Angelo Maraboli of Chilean descent. Pinochet saves Chile.
@@ns2501 you can't save a country with concentration camps and mass murder.
@@niklasklasen8048 you can save a country by throwing commies out of helicopters
Chilean here. I rarely see this sad yet interesting story shown on international media. Thanks a lot for sharing!
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@Rodycaz El Salvador in Spain, 1982. Got caned 10-1 by Hungary.
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Zaire 1974!
How about a documentary on the 1934 World Cup riddled with fascism and alleged corruption from Mussolini.
Good idea
1978 as well...although I think there was already a video in it..
That would be great
Definitely would love to see this!
🤚🤚🤚🤚 4 wcs :)
Could you do a video like this on the 1978 world cup and Argentina's corruption and all the bad things that happened with it, like Cruijff's family being held hostage
Wait what
Karim Clarke Cruyff said in an interview in 2008 that he went through a failed kidnap attempt in Barcelona in 1977 and after that wasn’t in the right mindset to play in a World Cup. I don’t think it was intentional, but Mattijn made it sound like he was saying Argentina held him hostage. Anyways, this is interesting, I’d always thought he boycotted the WC. Here’s an article about the interview www.theguardian.com/football/2008/apr/16/newsstory.sport15
We lived in a dictatorship those days but had nothing to do with Cruiff or his family!
@@JuanPablo-vw7ko the dude right above already cleared it out don't worry :]
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Love these documentaries! Keep it up Alfie!
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I must recognize, it feels extremely weird to hear a British talking about one of the darkest times of my country. Cheers and awesome work!
Edit: I would have included that the government that 'fought' the British Government to bring it back to Chile was A SOCIALIST GOV.
Honestly the British government supported Pinochet during the 80s due to the cold war, Falkland war and Pinochet's free market economics
It was the saving moment of our country. I love mi general.
@@ns2501 that foolish, depraved old man you love was nothing but a puppet, a coward and a petty thief.
@@felipeoa9474 also a narco.
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I appreciate these types of videos so much. And the info is so accurate and real.
The aftermath of the dictatorship is still affecting Chile, but luckily we can leave all that behind in a near future. Keep up with these kinds of vids! Love your channel
Atleast we had a great final between Beckenbauer’s West Germany vs Cruyff’s Netherlands in 1974
Same case for 2002, controversial WC but great final..
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Out of interest, as someone who wasn't alive when that world cup happened (2002), what was controversial about it?
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Cinethoughts theres a video on this channel about it
Interesting Fact: My comment features on that video
@@vb2388 watched this. Really interesting and a crazy story. Very corrupt to be honest. Difficult to call it human error.
Damn, Alfie. That was a great deep dive. I learn tons of interesting (and often critical) information on these videos, but also tons of cool football shit. Long live The People's Channel!
learning US imperialism and backing of murderous dicators through a football channel
unironically very cool c:
Just remember the Soviets also practiced imperialism on the same scale.
@Hibana Jager Main Tell that to the Black Army that won 'your' revolution for you.
@@nutyyyy not the same scale, they simply did not have the same resources. American imperialism is unrivaled
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This is my favorite kind of content in HITC Sevens (Like "Football Origins Stories" skits in HITC Sport). History usually direct you to the perspective you never know before. Hopefully seeing this more often in HITC Sevens.
East Germany played West Germany once and won 1-0. Then refused to ever play them again.
Lol that's hilarious
How very North Korean of them! 😆👌⚽
Those East Germans were notorious for taking steroids . Won’t be surprised if they had beaten them that way .
@@princesofthepower3690 Too true, unfortunately PEDs know no political ideology...the 'good guys' cheat too.
@@princesofthepower3690 Steroids are useful for American footballers, not so much for the Association variety. Ironically, it's fairly well established that the West German team that beat Hungary in the 1954 final was on amphetamines.
I’m chilean and yes, all of this unfortunately this all happened. Great video it’s very well researched
As a Chilean thank Gid for mi general
@@ns2501 viva pinochet, muerte a los rojos
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I would love to see more of these sort of videos. I know that they don’t get as much views or interest but I love the work that you put in. Keep up the great work!!
Mate... This is a brilliant video. I learned a lot. Would love to see more
Learned a lot? Have you cross referenced everything said by this Englishman that’s probably never set foot in Chile or met a Chilean? You take everything anyone says as gospel? Maybe you should do your own research.
@@MCohen28 I'd like to believe that this channel is reputable. If what they're saying isn't true, you are more than welcome to educate me as well as them. I'm sure they would appreciate it better than the negative energy in the comment you've made.
@@MCohen28 What did he get wrong? You provide no facts, counter points, evidence or sources.
@@chadibamangena1765 Hey mate I'm Chilean (so you can say you have met one now), this video was brilliant, really well researched. I hope Pinochet is being tortured over and over again in hell :)
@@veandve Thanks Lucio. Hope all is well in Chile 🇨🇱. Hopefully I can also confirm information about South Africa one day🇿🇦
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Great video! If I’m not mistaken the image shown at 1:45 was taken on July 12th 1966 at Ayresome Park Middlesbrough. It was the World Cup quarter final tie between North Korea and the Soviet Union.
I love when you do videos like this every once in a while but I'm still suggesting for a video about the last 7 Chelsea signings before the Abramovich takeover.
Absolutely love this type of video! Would love to see some content on East Germany come soon :)
You have to wonder how the 1978 world cup went ahead, considering what the government were doing to it's own people during this time.
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"USSR began the period of decline on the pitch"?
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These are the vids i wish he made all the time. I love these historical football videos
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Im pretty sure hes been doing the historic type videos for ages now
Everyone needs to research Operation Condor. America has an absolutely shocking history of foreign policy in Latin America and we're still seeing much of the same behaviour in Bolivia
When the Soviet Union is the good guy in a story, you know that someone REALY messed up.
The bigger villain of the Cold War is easily the USA, and it's not even close
@@snowcold5932 Both the U.S. and the Soviet Union were the villains in the Cold War. Only people like Enrico Berlinguer and Alexander Dubcek were actually good.
@@snowcold5932 Not even close
Really interesting video Alfie. This is not my comment (it’s Olayikna Amara’s, so huge credit to him for this idea, I just want it to be seen as it’s a great idea) but what happened in Italy 1934 World Cup due to the Fascist leadership of Mussolini and Corruption (allegedly)
In the topic of 1974 world cup, how about making a film about semifinal game Poland - West Germany, which took place in a ridiculous conditions. Franz Beckenbauer said that Poland would have won this game if the condition were fair back then
What were the “ridiculous conditions”?
@Pete I believe the pitch was waterlogged as it had been raining heavily.
I know it's been 3 years, but:
1. It wasn't a semifinal technically - it was the last round of the 2nd group stage, but it just happened to be the final/3rd place match decider. Just as with the 1950 "final".
2. The conditions weren't really ridiculous, but @simonkevnorris is right, the raining was super heavy and the game is known in Poland as "The game on water". It punished Polish offensive-minded team, which also had to win, with a draw promoting the West Germany. Add to that a series of very good, but missed chances and you get one of the most famous games in our history. I'm not sure if it was supposed to postponed or sth by the rules and possibly wasn't, as even in Poland we don't complain about that.
3. HOWEVER, i'M pretty sure that the story of the Polish NT is worth a video, since we pretty much came out of nowhere and all thanks to 1 guy: the legendary coach Kazimierz Górski. ALSO, that team's story has several common points with the Hungarians from the 50s (e.g. Olympics victory or defeat to Germans).
Harrowing tale excellently told and you still have pricks going "X day asking for my stupid list idea". Great work anyway would like to see more content like this
Top notch video. Great job on this one like always
FIFA and disgrace in the same sentence. Surely not!
You know it’s bad when the Soviet Union takes the moral high ground
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The Soviet player with the Pumas leapt out at me around two minutes in. Must have had wide feet! Cool look.
As ever, a very entertaining script for a history dive, Alfie! You read this type of content with more strength and smoothness in your delivery (I write and broadcast, myself), and it's a great look at a story that's been lost to time. Your writing certainly stands out against other channels that make videos on the history of the game, and you hit the nail on the head when you got some steam going on the Soviets' decision to stay home - the right call, no matter their motivations.
I will admit I gave a bit of a wag of the finger when you backtracked a bit on your word choice regarding the status of the workers in Qatar! That slam dunk on the Albert Speers (especially with how right you got it when discussing the Speer Myth, and of course, that ending) remains my absolute favorite of your videos.
Cheers Rob.
Excellent video, and very very good research. And indeed, for once, the Soviets were right not to play given the circumstances.
Soviets were idiots, who just outsmarted themselves.
Instead of requesting a single (or for that sake two) match on a neutral venue, they duly welcomed Chileans in Moscow (two weeks after Pinochet coup d´etat and all events at Estadio Nacional!), hoping that they were going to win by three-four goals before their trip to South America. The first leg didn´t go according to their plan, so they just withdrew, being afraid of a result in the return match. It wasn´t only about Estadio Nacional, it´s certain that they wouldn´t had gone to, say, Arica either - or any place in Chile, especially having memories from 1962 world cup still quite fresh at that time.
Yes but the USSR were extreme hypocrites given that they were nothing other than far worse hypocrites!
FIFA made a football decision and by refusing to play USSR forfeited the match!
Interesting to learn this. Especially for me as the person from the former Soviet Union
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Great video
In the topic history, how about "Match of the Century" England Hungary form 1953(?) and a revolution of English football since then
The match of the Century was( if I am not wrong) Italy vs Germany 4-3 in 1970 World Cup
@@cristiandumitrescu1744 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Match_of_the_Century_(1953_England_v_Hungary_football_match)
@@wojteksocha2002 ok sorry... its referred to both matches
@@cristiandumitrescu1744 no problem, this name is pretty easy to come up with
What about the 2010 World Cup qualification disgrace? (Henry handball that denied Ireland from World Cup)
Irish guy Michael agrees with me.
You deserve the qualification for 2010 wc (France fan) I prefer to not qualify for this wc than the Knysna scandal
Fuck off dick head.
Excellent video. Love these
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That video was excellent. Very interesting.
Argentina 1978 wasn't much different.
As a chilean, thank you
Great video, I appreciate you speaking about this subject, there are still plenty negationists about these facts so it's important to educate everyone on world history.
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The name is pronounced "Al-YEN-de", not "All-lende".
Beyond that, has there ever been a time FIFA wasn't a sewer of corruption?
Is it not ‘ay-ende’? The double ‘l’ in Spanish is pronounced like a ‘y’ or in Argentina like a ‘j’.
Wonderful video! I would love to see more of these informative, off pitch videos!
As American, I can't say we have any higher ground.
And interesting fact: If you go to the National Stadium today to see any game and watch to ( as we know arc north ) you will able to see a seccion of grandstand that it remains of the same way that it´s was in 1973 and it´s has a sign that says " Un pueblo sin memoria es un pueblo sin futuro" " A people without memory are a people without future"
Great doc, never knew anything about this.
Tbf the Soviets really weren't fit candidates to talk about morality.
yes but at least the people backed the same guy they backed but were betrayed by their military and infiltrated completely by the CIA which led to atrocities by Pinochet. There were no good guys in the Cold War but the CIA did absolutely terrible things in that era and area in that time that anybody can acknowledge was criminal and disgusting.
Great video. Every young football fan needs to know about this story. And every man needs to know about south american dictatorships.
What about other dictatorship?
This video totally ignores USSR treatment of any oposition.
The 1974 World Cup final is the worst day in football history, not including death. So sad that the Dutch lost it
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It becomes even more complicated when u realize how close east germany was to chile and pinochet. Honecker e.g. fled to chile and lived the rest of his live there in political asylum
For context the numbers killed and tortured by the Chilean government in the whole 15 years of Pinochet dictatorship was less than those killed or tortured in a single day in Soviet Russia. Also it could be argued that leftist hero Che Guevara killed more by his own hand than were killed by The Pinochet regime in total. When it came to killing Pinochet was an absolute amateur compared to the 20th Century's socialist dictatorships.
And many decades later, this still happened
You failed to mention that Pinochet provided assistance to Great Britain & Northern Ireland during the Falklands War.
You know you goofed up when the USSR is taking the moral high ground
The USSR took the moral high ground like 80% of the time in world affairs
On the contrary, the Soviets making a big deal out of this in the Cold War climate just cast more suspicion on Pinochet's opponents - they must have been our enemies if the Soviets cared so much. We might not have approved of Pinochet's methods, but when the chips were down, he was on our side - proper enemy of my enemy stuff. Similar line in South Africa: it's our vicious racist bar-steward allies or a bunch of Marxist terrorists. This was the way in which a lot of people in the West regarded the situation - Sir Stanley Rous was not exceptional in this, and his downfall at the time was a very bad thing, as it showed how far gone towards the Commies many countries were. We need to be careful not to judge the past through an anachronistic prism.
@@nendwr damn, you must be really psychotic to think that a regime that tortured and murdered people is better than a democratically elected communist who was enacting social reforms that really helped the Chilean people
I learned more South American politics in this football video than I ever learned in school. The state of the western education system.
Very well researched, Fifa and Stanley Rous certainly held racist views, Pinochet remains reviled and revered by many. I thank God that I have grown up in a stable society under relatively stable governments.
just thought I should say that Allende is pronounced Ayende, the double l is its own character in spanish and is pronounced as a Y sound
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I can't be the only person who likes the video before it begins to play just because HITC is a great channel.
The Australian-Chile match at the 1974 World Cup cursed both nations to fail at the sport for a long time. Chile lost almost all of its team to defection. It took Chile 24 years to qualify for the World Cup again. And for Australia. We had to endure 32 years of pure misery and soccer as a sport almost died to. And it was Australia’s only clean sheet for 48 years too. The two nations did play again at the 2014 World Cup in which Chile won.
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Of course you left out the part that the Allende government razed all the successful manufacturing industries in Chile, killed agriculture and mining, and we all had to line up weekly for half a kilo of sugar and flour, one roll of toilet paper, while Allende had two cheetahs, two peacocs, a crocodile in his mansion as well as all the food and drink he and his cronies could sell on the black market. Disappearences and as Pink Floyd said "the standard issue knocking down the door" was common during his reign. Additionally his government encouraged people to take over homes of their neighbour and police were prohibited from intervening. What do you gain by presenting a clearly biased story? Leaving facts out does not negate them.
Love the irony of how, the Soviets of all people gave up a spot at the World Cup because they were outraged about human rights abuses.
Thank you for the video! I'll add two stories:
Carlos Caszely, a Chilean striker at the time, refused to shake the dictator's hand. I'm told it was a very powerful moment. His mom had been tortured by the regime, presumably because of his son's political views. There's a mini-series hosted by Cantona that tells the story.
Chamaco Valdés, another Chilean player, who was seen as politically neutral, is said to have freed (probably saved) a few people related to the football world by just walking up to the military men and telling them that he wouldn't play if they didn't release them.
I'm ashamed of the fact Pinochet died as a free man.
A great insight into one of the most disgraceful episodes in World Sports History (with the passive and not so passive support of Richard Milhous ["I'm not a crook"] Nixon, the CIA and the good ol' US of A). However, there is one historical error at the front of the film ("by September 1973, 15 of the 16 Nations that would be at the 1974 World Cup had been confirmed"). In fact, by the end of September 1973, only 4 of the 16 finalists had been confirmed - Brazil (as defending champions under the old custom discontinued from the 2006 finals), West Germany (as hosts), Uruguay (who were the first nation to come through qualifying when they won their 3 team South American Group by goal difference over Colombia on July 8 with a 4-0 win over Ecuador in Montevideo [in the days when South America was split into small qualifying groups]), and Scotland (who wrapped up the first qualifying berth out of Europe when they won their Group with a game to spare on September 26 - eliminating Czechoslovakia with a 2-1 win over the Czechs at Hampden Park, Glasgow before nearly 96,000 heaving Scottish fans). 3 teams qualified in October, 1973 (Argentina, Italy and Poland [thanks to their famous draw with England at Wembley]). 6 more qualified in November, 1973 (Australia [for the first time after winning their last play-off 1-0 over South Korea in neutral Hong Kong after 2 earlier home and away draws], Bulgaria, East Germany, Netherlands, Sweden [with a playoff win over Austria] and of course Chile as a result of the happenings described in this film). Zaire (now Congo DR - the only African qualifier for 1974) and Haiti (the only CONCACAF qualifier for 1974) secured their spots in December 1973. The 16th and final place went to Yugoslavia with their 1-0 win over Spain in the last European play off on 13 February 1974 in neutral Frankfurt, West Germany.
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Brilliant video. I remember my father telling a story from when he was a teenager in school in Dublin from this time in 1973 and they had this daily thing where students were tasked with researching and reading out a daily news story over the intercom (I know! Mental idea.) but anyway on the day the news of the executions in the stadium broke it was his turn, and he included his own take that it was due to the U.S supporting Pinochet in the coup and he was suspended and nearly expelled for it.
That is hilarious😂😂Of course a Western European nation would not let anyone think that the U.S is not a paradigm of virtue
1973 was the peak of American power. It's been a slow but consistent decline since then.
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Cant believe he got away with it. Great wee doc mate
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It is quite ironic that the Soviet Union would complain about how another country treats its citizens. Outrage, thy name is HYPOCRISY!!!!!!