What is Prejudice | Racism in the 80s | Growing up in Britain | Youth Culture | White light | 1981
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- Опубликовано: 3 июл 2021
- An interesting studio discussion with young adults about Race and Prejudice' in 1980s Britain.
First shown: 23/10/1981
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How we had social and political discourses in the 80s versus how we have them now.
That was fascinating! The way the kid's spoke, their accents, the sentences they constructed, the pace, the patience and straightforwardness - quite different to nowadays. Would be interesting to see (a) a modern version of this show and (b) the same kids back as adults 40 years later, reflecting on what they thought then, how youth culture mattered and changed, plus what they think today's kids can learn from yesterday's kids.
Now kids of today especially white ones talking like they are Jamiacan in the UK so pathetic they hate blacks and talk like them.
innit
The TV and Media continue to make things worse. I love how this group are actually discussing this topic properly. People's judgement is clouded far more these days..
Most of them shown on the clip were youngsters who were sensible and wanted to get on for life's sake
Surely the media can not work any harder to hide all the rape gangs and stuff from the natives.
I don't see how they can do any more to hide the problems of suspicious road traffic accidents and racist attacks against Brits in their own country.
@@johnmorley6844 racist attacks lol
Looking at this the standard of debate has certainly deteriorated since this time.
Eh? The programme is an aftermath of racial rioting.
The 80s was full of people on the streets kicking the shite out of each other for a number of reasons
Political correctness has changed everything...
@@nicky29031977 indeed. The world is a much better place than it was then, especially for minorities.
Common i believe that we are meant to live together Man woman and even people of different colours.
I am however proud that The UK has come a long way and is now more diverse than ever before.
They are all so intelligent, aware and thoughtful, and make such good points.
Genx
not all of them
Because people were brought up better back thenb
Politicians constantly need us fighting amongst ourselves so that they can tell us they're going to fix everything
Yes they never want our families to become stronger then the royal family so they flood our estates with drugs and guns and mix everyone into one small space and it creates massive problems! Housing estates was created to get people into debts and council estates was created to cause problems with the upper class thefts and crime rates are high, they generate millions from the prison system its all created on purpose, why they dont want you living off free lands they want us all relying off the system
politicians brought all the foreigners here for that very purpose - kalergi plan. they were never here
My family of Brothers and Sisters are from many races and ethnicity, it's so easy, makes no difference, it's always about being the best person, Rise and more forward... cheers from Huntington Beach CA 🇺🇸..
The girl at the end hits the nail on the head and suddenly they need to wrap up the show!
i agree, revealing the divide & conquer tactic
Exactly. She acknowledges that white is treated as the norm, as more human, as ‘the step up’
@@charliewarlie31415 hear hear
exactly
although it could be argued that it isn't as bad anymore, it is scary that we're still having these exact conversations 40 years later...
And what is even more sad...we'll still be having it in 40 more years.
The trouble is, it never goes away. You just need to bring in a law to Alleviate it
Not really. I think the conversation is much less intelligent now.
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK
Im sorry, but the 80s were 40 years ago???? YEAH, IT CHECKS OUT
oh my I feel so old. and I was born in the 2000s
@@lizclegg7556 I wouldn't call anything a conversation
No 'social media' then - so people actually discussed things calmly and reasonably!
Yep. It's more about labels than ever now, except the labels have changed!
Social media has opened the world to everyone. I would only experience a person from the Middle East if they came to my town and actually talked to me but I have so many friends from the Middle East and Asia and all over the world now and we all talk civil learning about others cultures. I think what you are referring to are those trolls who get a rise off of disrupting the peace. Which isn’t everyone on social media.
Instead, there were feral right-wing tabloids that sold by the million to a largely illiterate/intolerant/ignorant/provincial society.
@@musicguy20 Hey person, thank you.
The insistence on pessimism regarding technology (that their generation itself created) started to get on me.
I know social media toxicity as much as y'all do, yet, I can not ignore everything good that came with it.
“People went out and made friends more,” “People weren't depressed back then” are the two things I've heard more and
I can't stop thinking about people like me that noone ever wanted to be friends with, and about how many friends met trough the internet. How many things were created because of it.
The internet is also such a powerful tool for achieving things that I would never be able to. I was born before the internet, and I would still be an invisible depressed man, not understanding my own mind (I'm autistic) and why I don't have friends and can't understand people, without any changes in society because of how I look like and came from
And now, I am a fucking game developer researching mental health conditions around the world in order to help those invisible people everywhere, heck yeah!
I came here by watching videos of teens hanging out in the 80s without cellphones and yeah, they seem to be having fun... But I can't not think about the kids who weren't there on camera.
We can only see what people choose to show of the past.
Say that to the skinheads!
Wish we could get all of these people together again today and have another conversation!
That would be a great idea!
this generation are still alive
I was 15 years old and living in Bristol in 1981. I grew up around a lot of white people and most were not concerned whether i was mixed race or not.
True mate, i grew up with a few mixed race lads on my estate we was all as one! Cultures are what destroy us!! gang culture creates most problems! Internet has destroyed this earth now
Mixed Race.. living proof we can just get along..
I am mixed race also and have been accepted by many white people too, I was 6 when this was aired. I don't care about anyone's colour or race, have had friends of different races and meet good in every one, it's your inner self that matters more!!😀😇
Many UK cities outside of London are very racist and segregated in Birmingham, Manchester Liverpool Leeds and Bristol there is loads of divisions and whites mix with.thier own kind and hate outsiders.
This is really sad to think that this was filmed nearly 40 years ago and these young people are coming out with some amazing points that are so hopeful and yet ww’ve hardly move forward at all.
Most of their points are retarded and not based in ethnic reality at all. Also many still make the assumption that race = colour and culture.
@@EgoShredder here comes the ‘race realist’ everyone. Let’s hear his awful takes about people he’s never met
You wouldn’t have had the racist BLM back then, we’ve unfortunately moved to far the other way.
@Flydrip Tik Tok Shorts you are clueless AND delusional.
American racist ancestors come from Europe same thing everywhere they go
What an open honest discussion. 2022 now and people are not even allowed to express their views without censorship!
Todays society is toxic and people are rude and more bigoted today than back then.
The presenter was the singer in my first ever band. Debut: St Barnabas Church, St Pauls Cray, Orpington.
9:30 you see how he just cut him off when he started talking about racism within the NHS and prisons. Wtf was that about
What a clever kid, only to be told, 'we don't want to go there'
Yea
@@DashDrones exactly I wonder why he did that what was the point of having this conversation only for him to be shut down like that when he was making great points
@@jordanhtiffirg1990 maybe the kid was ahead of his time. Pretty sad that he got shot down by the presenter..
He was getting a bit too close for comfort.
Why did the presenter suddenly stop the probably very intelligent young person that ACTUALLY hit the nail on the head stating that racism is very disturbingly prevelant in the NHS and VERY OBVIOUSLY AND STILL IS in the Police Service! What an absolute idiot of a presenter. He only wants to talk about what HE feels comfortable with!
Every single young person in the audience are extremely articulate and much more intelligent than many people that I see on T.V today.
How is the NHS racist? Are you mad?
@@mjh5437wake up and still living in la la land keep being oblivious
How is it prevalent in the police?
What a shame that this generation knew the answer, yet now they're running the country they seem to have forgotten.
They didn't forget. They just chose not to do it.
The upper class runs the country - not the ordinary people like these
@@divergencefilms True those are the ones who force it on us not the average person someone once said can't remember the exact quote but the greater the evil, the greater the power of the individual because when a average person missteps and does something wrong they kill a bug but when a powerful person does it it can be a whole country destroyed or a race.
@@divergencefilms it's like what the last girl said..skinheads + Blacks should collaborate and fight the rich people because they are both in the same boat,(inaccessible amenities, poor housing, poverty etc) and the government has tricked them into hating each other.
Seemed these kids had, collectively, worked out what to do - even if they did not all have the time to agree with it on that short show. To summarise I'd say they accepted racism existed, but focused on tackling the root cause which was prejudice, evidenced by discrimination. And breaking down prejudice by talking to each other, spending time in each other's company at work or play, sharing some of life's experience - practical things, not theorising.
The Two Tone movement was a beautiful thing.
❤️ 👍
Good to see this conversation, I enjoy the Thames channel's content.
I believe Britain improved a lot in the ensuing years but one of the problems in the UK has been the importing of USA models and perspectives on race. (Or rather, the 'perspectives' of Marxist-leaning professors - btw I'm neither left wing nor right, personally.) There are points of overlap but the respective histories are very different. In some ways the USA are behind Britain, we should acknowledge the strides that have been made.
I differ. I think Britain is behind America in lots of ways. Blacks and browns cant be all they can be in Britain. Britain even discriminates agaisnt white immigrants and brits with different accents. That is unheard of in America.
@@deeallen1526 black and browns would never let white into thier homelands and give them a decent living so why should whites do the same?
At 9:37 the presenter simply cuts off the young man who starts mentioning institutional racism!
Yep
Definitely-👍🏻
He is both fit and correct 👍
Some points I couldn't help but notice. Their speech is more refined then many adults today. The jewish voice was given more representation and authority then the rest, much like today. There was no mention of the Muslim factor, which is wholly different from the discourse on discrimination today. There was no mention of homosexuals, which is wholly different from today. The Irish guy seemed more in tune with the black people then the rest. There seemed to be a type of "innocence" around the whole issue. Just my observations. I could be wrong.
There was no "Muslim Factor" until 9/11 and the ensuing war both in the media and militarily against almost 1/3 of the world let's let the Russians take the blame now
Didn't figure there were so many open minded young people of all nationalities back in the 80's; it would be interesting to see if they still hold those views in 2022 ?
I wish we had a where are they now . these people are so intelligent and civil. refreshing
@@-_a-a_- this is just gen x… 😭 their not old or dead. My mom was their age during this time. Most are late 50s-60s rn
@@nateclipps Just a joke! ;)
@@-_a-a_- oh sorry!
@@nateclipps Not your fault! ;) On my "Japanese Music" playlist, top video - guy is a gen Xer, I think!
@@-_a-a_- okkk!
The youth of that day were more in touch with the time's than the youth of today 2022 .
I was a skinhead in the later part of the 80s, I was never involved in the racist movement, most skinheads were into Ska/ raggae.
Rubbish,most 80s skins were into Oi and Punk.
@@mjh5437
Yeah, I loved oi
Oi wasn't a racist music ! Oi was about uniting skinheads and punx .
This is how it sadly everyone wants to be friends growing up and some even wanna make a difference but soon they learn the truth and the only way I survive is to be corrupted...
The passage of time makes me so sad. I know it shouldn't, it cant be stopped, but it does. I think about it all the time, how I'm getting older, everything changes. It makes me so sad to think all these people in their late teens and early 20's with their entire futures ahead of them at the start of the amazing decade of the 80's are now around 60, older people, their future played out already, in the blink of an eye seemingly.
I was 2 in 1981, I'm almost 45 now. I feel mentally 18, but the face that looks back at me in the mirror tells a different story.
I hope everybody makes the most of their time, because it rushes by before you know it.
just amazing ... these people ....compared to the generation of today ...is the starkest contrast .... educated ... articulate .... what in the name of GOD happened....... more importantly i started to get a sense of dread as the discussion progressed... an almost "Ooo you mustn't say that " ... it certainly says something about the age we live in that we are to afraid to speak our mind 🤔
I'm white, have friends of all creeds, we all understand each other and get along, but were about 30 plus, It seems the issue is those younger , who for whatever reason, need to make everything about them , any issue, even working a 8 hour day seems to be an issue, doesn't matter their ethnicity, its there age and life experience that defines them as , literally whimps
Pink leather aside, the presenter is really good. The whole discussion is very interesting and the young contributors are really astute.
People chose to not learn from history, 2022 and most of the world is either the same or worse now
Far worse now.
*40 years later and young people can't even decide what gender they are*
Right now we live in bad life .
I wish Discrimination doesn't Exist.
Always has and always will,it`s a normal human condition.
Really switched on bunch off youngsters who will all now be in their 60’s, like myself, same era!
What’s the program called?
This is great
The presenter is Nick Maw from St Mary Cray
james maw
Give me a time machine, I would like to go back to this time😢
It's pleasing to see all these youths, they represent the youths I know back in the day, Black , White or Asian there was a sense of unity of Youth, even the Skinheads were mainly non racist, only a few that the media catapulted into the stereotype people think they know today. Back then the Youth were more wise than their parents about race. I had many Asian friends yet had not even heard the world Muslim. I had many White Friends none mutters any racial comments about the Black community. I often wonder what happened . Why has Britain become more segregated today than back in the day? I see the Children of my generation far more segregated than in my day.
@ FHI PRince Peter resources.
You didn’t hear Muslim back then because government and MSM agenda was to attack race at that time and not religion, only in 90s it became fashionable and trendy to attack the Islamic faith and Muslim people and not race anymore.
@@east_londonlad8988 How do you know that? What made it "fashionable"? That's not what I recall myself, how old were you in the 90's ?
And by the way skinheads were racist, even the ones who claimed to love ska music and reggae and had black friends, they were still racist
FHI Prince Peter watch from 3:00
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8:25 - 9:08 very well said!
This is gold
I grew up in England throughout the 80s and 90s and I did get some stick for being black, but for at least the last two decades I've never much bother at all I work with the general public everyday I have done for years, white people I meet even the elderly who could be extremely Prejudice back in the day are lovely people they couldn't be more helpful. People who say it hasn't changed much since 1981 are talking out their ass I'm not saying racism isn't still about I'm just saying it's way better now then what it used to be take it from me.
When I think about it the only time I witness racism is on social media.
Im white and experienced some racism in the 90s through to 2010 offline. Was rare. There was more early 90s towards white people. It settled by late 90s. Then social media set it all back off. Why I dont know but I feel we've been pushed back race-wise way beyond before I was born as to me there is more racism towards everyone in general now and I didnt really see any racism towards other races growing up. Was rare. I miss the 90s-2010.😢
Not too much changed in 40 odd yrs then
Exactly what I was thinking
Never will change racism will never change in the UK because today 2022 segregation is growing.
@kyfaydfsoab Racism Is a deep issue in the UK its just many sit in denial of it.
A most civilised bunch. Have this conversation today things have actually got WORSE!
The Jewish brother was well spoken.
The channel should follow up on a number of these people to see how time ,age, experiences have impacted them.
Isn’t it interesting how our problems repeat throughout the generations. We ask ourselves, where we’re heading as a race of humans and the truth is; around in circles.
And from this, you can now understand the coming together that took place in the late 80s and 90s
We have forgotten these very important lessons of the truth around this matter
Wokism, cancelling etc has only aggravated the situation, denied any cross discussions and understanding
Wow look at young people able to argue....
14:46-15:03 that is Colourism/Shadeism.
03:50 Exactly, thats the point I've been making. My parents were asked to come over and work and that they did.
I would have preferred to be in the Ganga fields in Jah land 🤣
It`s really cheap now to fly to the West Indies and live there,why don`t you just emigrate if you hate England so much?...Oh yeah,no free stuff up for grabs there.
@kyfaydfsoab everything is clear in his words.
Why did they not bring a single Asian onto this show? They have a Irish, black, Italian and Jew on the show but not a single Asian
East_London Lad
They did..... at 16:35 check her out mate
There's an Asian woman at the end
we're talking about the uk here . poc percentages are low as hell .
Asian worked that time 😊
@@spidyman8853 you’re right, she is Asian as they come, I don’t know why I thought she was Caribean.
what an interesting start of something. pitty it was a short tv show
@9:36 - "Quick ! Cut to somebody else ! He's starting to speak the truth !"
Nothing much has changed!
Last girl hit the nail on the head.
Some things in life never change.
2:25 Look at Luton today.
I'm British and about six years ago I bought a motorhome in Haines City, Florida. The idea was that me, my wife and daughter would become American citizens and settle in Florida. We loved Florida, especially the weather . . . but . . . after having made several journeys back and forward to Florida, it was becoming quite evident; the white Americans just didn't get on with the black Americans - it was a racist divide. It was sorry to see but this was reality. I eventually sold the motorhome and we decided better stay in the UK.
Yes,America is racist,the blacks hate the whites far more often than whites hate blacks....That`s a black problem not a white problem.
Excatly I am a mixed race american with 1st generation luxembourgan background my mother is from there and I am looking into getting a luxembourgish passport soon I experienced hardcore racism in the part of the United States I am from its a different type of racism its nice racism I dealt it
@@mjh5437HAHAHAHAHA, that’s a good joke, and why do you think some blacks hate whites?
@@Traveljetsetter954that’s xenophobia
@@nicelol5241 that’s obviously. Because whites enslaved black people.
When you’re born on a council estate with a mix of black white and Asian .. none of that matters. We’re all skint and struggling together
Man I was really enjoying this... But that 80s editing, like what is the rush?
Yes, like at 9:37 the presenter simply cuts off the young man who starts talking about institutional racism.
@@sutapasbhattacharya9471 Same way people of all ages get "cancelled" now if they talk about the stupidity of Institutional Wokeism.
@@mjh5437 I mean I'd like to see a study on that? But funnily seeing your other comments you see to have no problem with proven institutional racism having affected multiple generations, with zero discussion on that impact that has led to us being where we are now.... If being woke is just opposing that then I have no problem with that, unless you claim being woke is something else?
wow real truth here
Y'all owe us Jamaican's reparations start from there!
Okay,as soon as the British get reparations from the Romans and Vikings and French who invaded Britain we`ll sort "y`all" out.
@@mjh5437HAHAHAHA, you so funny dude
@@mjh5437 you also forgot to mention Anglo, saxons, utas and friziens
Yeah...now ask the Arab slavers, Romans, Greeks, Egyptians etc. The firat black slave owner in the US? Was a black man!
Of course the Jew is promoting diversity...
that was a good presenter...i wonder if he continued?
Why loony?
It’s very much real today, switch on the TV it’s full of old raging grey haired Conservative Gammons, giving their narcissistic opinion.
Isnt gammon supposed to be super offensive, like oppressive words
@@sinecuris7173 No, it’s a joint of Pork.
@@buddha1736 talking joints of pork?
Switch on the TV and you`re far more likely to see blacks doing all the whingeing and moaning now.
"Gammons" 💀
Then acid house came along and everyone from every background loved each other 😊
Or pretended to because they were too stoned to think about it.
@@kyfaydfsoabI grew up with all ethnicities as best mates and that was through the 80s and we never even thought about it.
People were so polite then...😊😊😊
It’s Britain, they’re Polite
@@jimmyTooFreshh WAS Britain. It's more like North Africa, now
I agree that women are more prejudiced than men. There seems to be an almost competitive aspect to it
Why is jewish man dominating the debate and given so much airtime?
I'm so confused I see this comment a lot but I don't get it I'm young though
Because he speaks the most sense. He may have also been sommeone known and asked to come on to give some intelligent feedback incase the rest of the audience couldn't
You could always trust Lord Scarman.
These young people are very smart and speak very well. Todays youth? Thick. Sad really.
@mobley Mobley You seem a tad emotional. Young people today? They are lost and angry. Rightly so. Break down of families, religion, toxic social media, cancel culture, covid etc. I wonder, is there a generation out there who don't read anymore?
True
@@jpk50 not all youths today are bad.
"We should be fighting the rich people"
Wee girl at the end talking sense
Rich people keep the country afloat,Britain would be flat broke without them.
@@mjh5437 they also helped a lot during the pandemic didnt they?
hahahaha funny guy @@mjh5437
There are hundreds and thousands of people in Britain who do not want to be here, but they have no choice. Colonialism was responsible for the destruction of their country economy, industries, ripping of their minerals including the dead of millions which has for hundreds of years led to continuous discrimination and hardship. Until you are prepared to equal the playing field of wealth distribution, I am afraid that migration will continue. Western population needs education and an historical prospective of how the UK came to be what it is today.
Most of the colonised countries had practically NO economy at all before they were colonised by Europeans.😁😆🤣
@@mjh5437 you ungrateful so and so
@@mjh5437 nonsense.
I'm sorry, but you need to actually read history from an actual history book before inventing a version of history to fit your warped and jaded narrative of the world. The kids in this video from the 1980s would and do put the current generation to shame, and it shows how far we have regressed and dumed down since that time.
A time when ACTUAL FACTS MATTERED and even the toughest of debates could be held with rational thinking in a civilised manor. Maybe the theory that civilisation has peaked and we are on a slope of decline holds some merit.
Each and every young person in this video showed better critical thinking abilities than most of our current word leaders.
That's how far we have fallen
Well said
13:14-14:17 personally I overheard this kind of hypocrisy in my younger years.
That guy from the Jewish Board of Deputies 6.38..how did they get Jesus to appear on the show?
Press and TV to blame eh?
Nothing has changed
The presenter's name anyone? Is it Nick Maw
James Maw
We need to fight against the rich people! Ha ha ha! Yeah, no prejudice there!
I wonder if they are still alive
He sounds just like Archer in the 1979 movie Scum
I wonder how many of them have the same opinions and attitudes 40 years later?
Great question!!
The attitudes have not 40 years on racism and segregation is worse today in the UK today.
Divide and rule nothing much has changed
14:20 is that princess diana?
Now imagine holding this debate in Gaza 2023
When People Could Talk Proper..
OMG they dont all speak like gang rappers!
Divide and rule
It's difficult to watch this,without laughing at the 80s style of these people👀 look at there hair and clothes,and the way they act!😆 😂😂😂
Better than the numpties today who can’t string a sentence together ‘you get me, innit’
The general population back then had their strings pulled by the 'popular' press.
Still do,but now the mass media are all dopey-woke kneeling grovelling loony Lefties.
Always a J w present to guide everyone on proper morals
Open borders for Israel.
based
And the right of return for all Palestinians throughout the world!
Shut up leftist
@@alex-sv8ru *Third position, and no.
@@ianholloway9555based Ian
Some of the last of the O-Level generation; products of the analogue age and not yet subjugated by the digital false dawn.
Is the moderator wearing a pink leather jacket?
I'm sorry, tolerance has it's limits!
🤭It was 1981, I suppose.
It was still the disco age.
@@jamesbowman8138 Those were the days!
(Those were the days I never attended the disco 😁)
3:01-3:09 so according to her the moniker ‘Black is beautiful’ is farcical, why is it so?.
I understood. Basically it wass highlighting it which implies it isnt beautiful but that they need to be told it is to boost confidence. Or that its seen as better. Could be taken either way. To Americans they do this often and dont realise how corny it comes off. Race wasnt an issue for us in real life so these corny slogans seem almost patronising
@@DarkAngel2512 I don’t what is your heritage but the ‘Black is Beautiful’ was first coined by Life Magazine for their cover photo of entirely dark skinned female models back in the mid 1960’s at the height of the American civil rights movement. It was meant as a positive uplift meant for the community. Maybe the young woman felt excluded, probably thinking it should be inclusive?.
Funny the Jewish guy actually looks like Jesus.
Were they the only 2 races lol
Back in the days when south africa aparthied constitution was written wasn't it written by men?
wow most phrases these kids use would be sooo political incorrect today :-)))... in 2023 you could not get away with "the blacks were brought over here in boats " 🙂...( way to close to slavery !!!
But all of these guys are extremely well and polite spoken !!!!! In terms of language and wording - Shakespeare would feel like a foreigner in todays England
I took it that he meant the 'boats' being the Windrush....
? Why are you patronizing black people? They were brought here on boats. One of them was called The Windrush.
My question is why so many ethnic minorities do not riot.
0:13 'Lord Scum' ? !
Scarman