*Captain Marvel* SHE IS SO STRONG!!!! (First Time Watching) The MCU
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I honestly think the writers and directors disagreed the entire time about who carol was, making her end up feeling distant in the movie. I think Brie did the best she could with what she got, which was a script that made her sound spunky, cocky, charismatic, and emotional, and then directors who wanted her to be an emotionless, tough, independent Kree soldier. It's pretty much an actor's nightmare to be asked to be emotionless, especially when the script clearly contradicts that. I'm hoping Nia DaCosta will know how to cater to Brie's strengths, and that they make her the approachable, relatable, flawed character she is in the comics for The Marvels movie
i 100% agree
I actually like more after multiple watch movie is most different takes of any superhero origin movies also her personality is results of multiple things happened to her past
@@pinaka5461 i agree, each time i've seen it, i've liked it and appreciated it more
That actually kind of fits. The emotionlessness was part of the Kree programming, which is why Yon-Rogg and the Supreme Intelligence were so focused on getting her to control her emotions. Who she was as Carol was always eroding away at that programming, through the "nightmares" and through the emotions that were coming through. The combination of what the Skrulls did when they were trying to read her memories and just being away from the influence of her abusers allowed her to break through.
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This didn't necessarily show through in Endgame since it was written and filmed before this movie, so they didn't necessarily know how the character would develop.
Agreed. People assume actors/actresses make the calls. They really don't. They are bound by lines, production and directorial decisions.
I read a great analysis that says that the problem a lot of the audience had with this movie is that coming of age stories are generally about finding gifts of a father, or achieving great power and dealing with that.
But... that's a generally male fantasy.
A female fantasy is having always been powerful, and either achieving recognition for it or embracing it and not worrying about being recognized.
Hmm, that’s an interesting take, I’m not sure that’s completely true, but an interesting take
Now I see why I liked it lol
I would recommend you develop your own opinion and ask those whom opinions you trust before trying to utilize an article written by people who get paid to come up with an opinion (and typically skim through the movie so they can give some “evidence” to having watched it). If the opinion comes directly from you at least it’s more authentic…just some food for thought 😁
Opinions are not arrived at in a void. We read and talk and consider ideas.
@@wtimmins completely agree, only just suggesting using opinions of individuals you trust and not paid positions, they receive monetary benefits by manufacturing ideas from limited information and often just utilize the most polarizing ideas to sell articles, really it’s a money thing versus a passion thing, I would trust my family and best friends opinion of a movie over Siscle and Ebert (not sure if I spelled that right)
Don't know why people seem to hate this movie so much, finally watched it recently myself and it turned out to be fine to me.
Brie. She rubs people the wrong way. A lot of men I know had issues with her confidence.
Same. Honestly this is how I expected her to act especially after watching Cinema Wins' two videos on the movie
Sexism and Misogyny.
Brie Larson made a comment during the press junket that a lot of men didn't like, so they tried to sink the movie before it even came out. They were pretty pissed when it made a billion dollars.
cos the actress is toxic as hell
They said the Kree's reason for war.... "The Kree expansion".... they just want to rule as much territory as possible. They also said that the Kree hated the Skulls because they defied Kree rule. Carol didn't show emotion because how much emotion would "Noble Warrior Heroes" show? 🤔
Yeah; they were basically trying to kill the Skrulls for being "an infestation"... just because they were in the way
^To them, it's all the reason they need; they don't need any 'good' reason.
For the people who question the Kree's motivation and think the "Kree expansion" just need to look at world history. How many warrior rulers have tried to concure the world for no real reason other than they could and they wanted what other have?
If the Kree were Longshanks' army, Captain Marvel would be William Wallace (if he was a woman) (see Braveheart to understand)
This is a great origin movie that people put way too much expectation into that they didn't for other origin films. The majority of people started hating on it after Brie made her comment about adding more diversity to the existing pool of critics, which people went Bagshit crazy over; however, low and behold we've seen exactly the same issue she was talking about with Shang Chi and The Eternals. For an intro into a character it has great characterization (we learn what we need to know and the characters are fully fleshed out), great cinematography, great effects, and a full introductory story. Also has a great soundtrack. Another comment that fans make is that she didn't earn this incredible power she got....literally the whole movie is about how she starts to earn that power. Her coming in at the end is not C.Marvel's fault, or B.Larsons, it's the MCU realising they made a boo boo. We also see in the flashbacks her choosing to blow up the ship which she knows will kill her. If we look at other superheroes like Iron Man, he's great but he becomes Iron Man after getting captured, creating a suit purely to escape and then stops creating weapons because he 'suddenly' realised they were being used in a war zone... He earns his right to be called a hero but it doesn't happen straight away. Same with Cap, he proves that he is honourable in the start, same as Marvel, but all that does is get him the injection and then he has his superpowers. Thor is a 'God' and is gifted a Mjolnir and the incredible power to go with, its not till he messes up that he then has to prove himself. Anyway, good movie, I like it and I'm looking forward to the future of the MCU. 😁
i agree with some of your points and maybe yeah, the writing could be a tad better but may i throw out there that most of your critics towards the character are because you couldn't RELATE to her?
it's not a bad thing of course, because i don't entirely think you're supposed to, she is written for women to represent women.
her entire arc is the female experience: she had the power all along but she was constantly told she didn't, that it was given to her and it could be taken away, that she had to prove herself, she's "put in her place" and used. but then she finally realizes what she can do, what she could always do.
as a woman, i relate to that struggle so much, to not feeling like you have any power, even when i know i do. it's hard to break thru being brought up in a world that tells you you're lesser. the "weak point" you mentioned that she doesn't have....that's the first half of the movie.
as i said, i don't mean to sound critical, just offering a different perspective 😊
When the movie was in theaters I remember reading a review where they say that was ridiculous and annoying how much Yon-Rogg tells Vers to control her emotions, because she never shows much emotion... And I was like "WELCOME TO WOMANHOOD"
This.
Most people have a problem with Carol as a character, not with the message. She feels like an emotionless robot. Everything is way easy for her, because of how overpowered she is. She does not struggle whatsoever. In a course of a movie, things just happens around her, and she is not a cause of it. It feels undeserved. And as a woman, this does not feel relatable for me.
@@Mistirina well, to each their own, i guess! not every woman's experience is the same, it's similar but not universal.
personally, i find carol, a woman that is constantly told to control herself or her power would be taken away from her and that figures herself out and rebels against the ppl that screwed her over, much more relatable than, say, tony, a billionaire genius who is constantly screwing up and making up for it with his intelligence and money. i love tony to bits and his overarching storyline is so compelling, but i don't find him relatable at all to my everyday experience, at least certainly not in his first movie.
as for the "emotionless robot" part, idk, i don't really see it but my counterargument would be that of course she is, because that was what was ingrained into her, she spends most part of the movie not knowing who she is at all (and that, i'd say, is her struggle, a mental one, not necessarily a physical or emotional one). that's certainly overall a discredit to the writing, i'm not saying the movie hasn't got its problems!😂
@@juliabenny Of course, everyone experiences are different. Truthfully, I have a problem with her character solely because of the way they promoted the movie. My expectations were different. I was hoping for a badass woman, with an interesting backstory, with a compelling personality, but in the end all I've got is a killing machine with no personality whatsoever. There is no moment in the move where I were scared for her live, or where she would be in any danger. In actuality, I was more scared for the people around her, because her character was a "little" unstable. I LOVE characters with a flaw, like Tony (he does fucked up shit, but at the end of a day he has a heart of gold)... But Carol... I steel have a hope for the second part. I hope that they will give here more compelling personality. That's all I need.
An interesting statistical point is that more women than men saw the movie premier, yet the majority of the negative reviews came from men. Interpret that however you will, but it can be shown that women generally liked this movie. Many women did find flaws in the movie, but the male and female audiences didn’t see a lot of the same flaws.
This is not saying men hate women or female leads, but that in this movie (and also similarly with Wonder Woman and Black Widow), the expectations of the protagonist were different among male and female audiences and the male expectation seemed to be the one left mostly unmet.
I liked BW and WW quite a lot. My issues with those films were timing of the stories. Both were origin stories set where they couldn’t really matter much. No one is around for WW from the past. It’s a good movie but we needed a Man of Steel type movie with her. Past and present combined to tell one story mostly. Maybe a return of Ares in present time with WW movie as flashbacks.
BW was after she died so it made me not care even tho I really like the movie except that there’s no real villain to fight. Just a bunch of mind controlled folks or an old man who’s untouchable. Womp womp.
This movie wasn’t horrible. But placed where it was and then hyping the new guy (Carol) up as the bestest ever was not ideal. It was never needed anyway. Not in a serious manner. The problem isn’t with doing something. It’s bringing too much attention that’s the issue. Maybe nobody notices the gay kiss. It was still there. It’s on screen.
I’m reminded of everything everywhere all at once. Fight with kindness. If you attack all hatred with a hammer you are just furthering the violence and creating more. Instead soothe the savage beast and tame them. Trick people into accidentally getting the message instead of throwing it up on them and then acting surprised when met with anger. If we want others to do or be better than we have to as well. You can’t just decide to be tolerant to those you like/accept/agree with. Tolerance comes when accepting something you don’t agree or like and still allowing it to have a voice. However big or small it is. Everyone wants to be heard. But many are simply unwilling to listen!
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Howard Stark found the Tesseract at the end of the first Captain America movie (when he was searching for Steve).
Also, Carol is actually stronger in the comics (at least when she goes Binary... she is at cosmic levels of power there).
She's not at cosmic level power in this movie while pushing back Kree nuclear missiles and flying through Kree starships like they were nothing? 🤔🤷🏿♂️
@@xman48205 Oh, she is by MCU standards too... I just wanted to point that the stuff she is capable in the comics is even crazier.
You have no idea how freaking awesome it feels every time time I see CM.
For what feels like the first time ever I actually see a female character that I can relate and look up to; she's sarcastic, impulsive and doesn't take shit from others.
If she was a man NO ONE would complain about those characteristics.
She's arrogant because the Kree as a spieces are arrogant "Warrior Super Heroes" that want to rule the galaxy. And obviously she was talented and ambitious before she got her powers because both she and Monica managed to succeed in a heavily male dominated field as pilots. She's strong because she fights for what she believes in and that even before she got her powers.
Another thing I absolutely love is that the movie doesn't revolve around romantic love, which tends to be the norm in movies with female characters as protaganist, but instead it's about friendship and finding and believing in herself.
The whole movie she's told that she can't trust her emotions, that she needs to cut it off - which, once again, as a woman I can relate to because we're ALWAYS told not to rely on our emotins, that we're too emotional and can't think rationally(!!!) -, and it's soo frustrating, but Carol Davers proves that she doesn't have to shut herself off for her to be powerful.
Female heroes or women on screen shouldn't have to be feminine, flirty, and/or sexy to be accepted.
So for me personally I love CM.
Does the movie and script have it's problems? Definitely. The pacing felt a bit off at times, and agree that the final fight felt a bit too easy.
Finally, I'm really excited to see The Marvels, however I'm actually pissed that they changed it from "Captain Marvel 2".
Iron Man, Captain America and Thor all got their own trilogies, with varying qualities, and yet the first female hero with her own movie in the MCU (and the fourth most successful) doesn't get her own sequel? For example Black Widow, The Winter Soldier, and Falcon were all in Captain America 2 but it was still named after CA.
No matter what I'm sure The Marvels is going to be awesome!!
AGREED
I loved her too. I'm a very sarcastic person as well and loved her humor. As a woman who growing up is told not to be too emotional, to smile more, to be a lady, . . . .whatever it is, basically being told how to feel and act, I totally related to Carol. I am also surprised by how many people don't get her. Which is probably why we have the problems we have in our society/societies.
Japan is big on stoicism for both men and women and that’s something that I have a high respect for and something I strive to do myself, so this idea seemed a bit backward to me. I get it a little more now, but I was viewing it more from an angle of discipline and self control required to be a fighter. I wish that they had made it more extreme, to make the point better. Cause many movies would use the same wording and ideas to show a hero being trained.
@@whitenoisereacts I definitely get what you're saying. It's sad that the movie was rushed to introduce her to the MCU instead of introducing HER as a character. The whole movie is about how she thinks she's one thing (Kree) and tries, and fails, to follow their ways, and we get too little time with Carol the human.
Fact is though that we're starved to see women that aren't afraid to "take up space" and exist without being controlled by (or only exist to further the plot of) men in movies and other media. It's frustrating that characters like Tony and Dr. Strange are can be arrogant, "selfish" and not listen to others (putting a lot more people at risk than Carol ever did) and be praised but when a woman is doing the same she's slammed.
My favorite thing is that she's at her strongest when she finally let her emotions come through, something that once again, women are told not to do. She can be a soldier and still care.
@@moanystrom3531 yes
Don't pissed CM i want to see that
Captain Marvel is one of the strongest superhumans.
So, after this takes place, SHIELD creates a sister organization called SWORD (Sentient Worlds Observation and Response Department) that’s aim is to protect earth from alien threats. Maria Rambeau helps create and run this agency.
This might be significant later - avoiding spoilers.
but your comment is a spoiler though
@@j34nist51 I revealed 20 seconds of exposition that is easily missed or overlooked - yet is pretty critical for the MCU in the long run. Especially in terms of how it might impact The Marvels and other future shows or movies that involve space… or astronauts.
@@willjohnson8446 You could comment about this when they watch [SPOILER] Wandavision episode 4 though, you don't have to reveal this information this early.
@@j34nist51 that ain’t a spoiler 🤣 lmao
@@oscarrenouf how could it not? before Wandavision Ep 4, is there an information about S.W.O.R.D mentioned in MCU? If there's none so that means what he said is a spoiler.
So now, tell me about when S.W.O.R.D. information mentioned in MCU before Wandavision Ep4 I dare you!
I think Captain Marvel was a nice introduction to Carol and a very decent Phase 1 film. I think the problem with her story is she wasn't shown much in Endgame so we couldn't see much of her dynamics with the team. I mean, I only liked Thor and Captain America when they appeared in the Avengers with Iron Man and Black Widow.
I think it was as good as or better than any of the other "solo introductory films"- they often don't exactly hit their stride when the character is new. I still enjoyed it more than Thor or Captain America just because I graduated high school in the 90s and the clothes and music brought me back.
The problem with her in Endgame, is that footage was shot before they shot the Captain Marvel movie... even though they were released in reverse order. When they were shooting Endgame, they had very little info about the Captain Marvel movie, so they limited her appearance to the basics of what they needed her to do.
In interviews, she even said that when they were doing that first Endgame footage of her talking to other characters in the Avengers lab, like in the bonus scene at the end in this one, she wasn't told who she was even talking to. She had no context at all.... she asked if they could tell her what heroes were there in the scene to help her line delivery, and the director said the only thing they could do was to put 5 "X" marks with tape on the floor to give her an idea of where to look when she was saying specific lines to different people.
When you haven't made the heroes origin movie yet, you've never played the character before, you have no idea hat other characters are in the scene, and all you have is tape marks to aid you... I can understand why her exposure in Endgame was so limited.
It's a phase 3 movie lol.
I love her, and I love this movie. Her unapologetic "Im strong, independent, I dont need help and I will let you know If you get in my way" Her personality is what I love in women characters. Kinda want to see more this type of female character and I hope with The marvels soon we can see that, with the girl from wanda vision and miss marvel.
Agreed
Funny. The reasons you mentioned are part of the reasons why I dislike her. She lacks humility and doesn't face any challenge that makes her humble. She has no character arc and is extremely OP which makes the stakes very low.
@@pranavnnair5 we all have our opinions of course. I think I loved her more because of those traits. I was already tired of the usual women in superheroes movies. So she was exactly what I wanted
I think a lot of people have a problem connecting emotionally with Carol Danvers because we've been conditioned that women aren't supposed to be that type of character. Sure, the movie has some minor story flaws but I think the main two problems for this movie is 1: it was squeezed in at the worst place possible to be in the series and 2: involountary internalised misogynism.
edited to add that as a woman liking super hero films this movie and one of the scenes in endgame really spoke to me on an emotional representation level, despite the flaws because we're just so starved for good, strong and not overly sexualised female heroes. Carol has her own movie, no romantic subplot and we don't see her boobs half the movie. That alone is groundbreaking enough to make me love this movie on principle.
Captain Marvel and the Scarlet Witch together can easily destroy an entire solar system if they wanted!
The MCU versions of the characters are basically living Infinity Stones.
Just to quickly explain it, since the movie didn't really touch on it despite this and Endgame including small details that show it was definitely in the thought process. Captain Marvel's power is to expel absorbed energy. She can generate her own to an extent, but she'll become more powerful by absorbing anything energy-based. You'll notice her "aura" becomes greater the more explosions she flies through and stuff.
Would that include like being shot, could she get the energy from a bullet or like in what if, if Thor hit her w the hammer could she absorb the energy from the hammer? It seems she absorbed the lightnings energy when Thor used a lightning bolt on hrr
@@scotthill1600she did absorb a lightening in comics, she can absorb almost anything, she can absorb kinetic energy witch is produced when you hit something so yes she can…
As a middle aged woman that actually remembers the 80s and 90s, I feel that Carol is likely more relatable to someone like me than to young people of your generation. The fact that Carol is written as a woman of my era would make some of her behaviours and actions foreign to you guys, I think.
Women in the US Armed Forces were banned from combat until 2013, up to this time women served in the military and could hold positions for support service and such but were held back from fighting. The reasons behind this ban were purely based in sexism and the belief that women were too emotional and didn't have the physical prowess to engage in combat.
Carol being told to repress her emotions and holding her back from her potential power suits the time frame too well and would parallel her military dynamic on Earth, at her time, no doubt the Kree were able to use this to their advantage while trying to manipulate her to repress her memories and abilities to further their cause of galactic domination.
I've never been in the military but I was a bar bouncer for more than 8 years, being a woman that needs to sometimes fight is a tough wire to walk, especially when it comes to how others see you as a person.
So, while you may not be able to relate, women like me absolutely see her story as clear as day and don't find her emotional repression confusing at all.
Love your guys reactions, enjoy the rest of the MCU...there is so much more goodness to behold!
It might not be perfect, but I really enjoy this movie. It's fun. I actually like Carol. I don't think her lack of emotion was a flaw in the writing. It was purposeful. Other commenters have explained it well. Plus, I've been accused of being aloof and having RBF even though I'm actually an empathetic and caring person. I'm also very introverted, so I guess I don't come across as approachable sometimes. I identified with the way Carol presented herself. But that aside, it's just a fun movie, imo. I can totally let the imperfections slide. Also, I want a Flerken.
Lack of emotions is results of her messed up past , the movie is the most different takes of any superhero origin movies
I find it weird how people complain about her being OP in her first movie when Thor, Hulk and Strange were the same...
It was just said, it not about a HER being OP, but rather this HERO never having a proper low point. Because she is never in any real danger, we don’t feel emotionally attached to her character. Forgiving bad plot isn’t feminism
Well, she is pretty OP, in the comics Thor was stronger than her, here she is the one taking a full headbutt from Thanos
To be fair Thor losses his powers for like the entire movie and we watch him be powerless, we got to witness strange get his powers after the accident, and no one really cares about the hulk movie
no they were not THAT op
@@koi279 this! she is like a female Steven Seagal xD
I don't understand how you can't see her range of emotion that she gave in her performance.
I love Carol as a character, and there is actually a lot for me to identify with.
She did mature and had a lot of character growth.
I Identify with the having to dismantle your belief system and question it for the first time, I grew up in a cult. I was gaslit for years, and I am used to feeling a need to put on a poker face as much as I can so that it's harder for people to hurt me. I identified a lot with this character, and it's good to tell different stories so that more people can feel represented in media.
Also, I don't identify a lot with most superheros, and I still really enjoy seeing someone else's story. I like being told about other kinds of perspectives, I end up learning a lot.
And saying a story is lacking because you can't identify with the main character is flawed thinking. I could using that logic say that, Thor is a bad movie because I find no part of myself in his character. It just doesn't make sense.
So, will I understand ur points, I think u may be misunderstanding identifying with a character. Or at least what we mean by that. In any of my favorite movies, I can empathize with the feelings of a character or their struggle. Everyone’s struggles and hurt before and everyone wants to overcome that. I think this movie failed in connecting to its audience in that way.
So, you just ment that you couldn't get behind the characters drive, or that you couldn't get into the movie.
Yeah, exactly
@whitenoisereacts What did Brie Larson ever do to you she is a beautiful, talented, underrated actress, I find her more likable than Amber Herd and She hulk.
This is literally the introduction of skrulls and their conflict with the kree, which will be explored later with secret invasion. That's like complaining about how thanos motivations aren't clear when he's first introduced with an after credits scene.
And justifying Toby's arrogance with "he gets to grow" over the course of what, 7-8 movies? Compared to this one intro movie and "oh she's kind of arrogant" with a sneer. Lmao.
Exactly! Tony was a complete ass in his first (two) movies! Far worse than Carol ever was. And his only excuse was that he was a rich MALE genius, while Carol was made to think she was a Kree, a species that literaly describes themselves as "Warrior Super Heroes", superior to the rest of the universe.
@@moanystrom3531 not only was Tony an asshole, he was never not a selfish asshole until put face to face with the consequences of his own actions
Yeah…exactly. He was shown to be a selfish ass and how that’s bad. That’s his whole character arc.
@@whitenoisereacts Carol isn't selfish, though. As a "Kree" she's made to believe she's saving planets and societies from the evil Skrulls. As a human, she's just not afraid to take up space and fight for what she wants and deserve. She immediately apoligizes to to the Skrulls when the truth is out and decides to right her wrong.
She just happens to have a sarcastic humor at the same time, and people are not used to see that in women in media.
I didn’t say she was selfish.
I love the part where he was like prove to me that you can beat me, and then she just blasts him. Pure gold. Also, there was so much comedy with the skrulls.
Granted the amnesia plotlines is interesting. I really like Carol and all the other characters, I'm SO EXCITED FOR MARVELS.
BUT the story felt like it was handled in the simplest way possible to explain why Fury knew/called her and not expand on the characters they've given us. I guess after all these movies, especially infinity war I expected better character work.
I agree but I had a similar feeling when I watched Thor...sometimes the one-character introductory films don't quite get the characterization right. With Iron Man, we got a great picture of what Tony Stark was like, but Captain America only gave us Steve through the lens of WWII- we got a more rounded idea of what he was like in subsequent films (he came across as sort of a one-note goody two shoes in The First Avenger and now we know that even though Tony may harass him about it, that's not the case). Black Panther was another film that got it right, but it also functioned so separately that it was like Iron Man, it felt like a standalone film. I feel like they introduced Captain Marvel in a fundamental way and hopefully we will get more going forward.
Disagree this movie is the most different takes of any superhero origin movies
Re: Vers taking away Agent Fury's "communicator"- "you obviously can't be trusted with it!". I feel like these days most people shouldn't be trusted with their own "communicators".
Idk why but most men have the same general idea of this movie...and I mean as a woman it was really nice to see Carol short journey....the thing is she was always powerful so that's why her character is like that...it's a 100% girl power movie so yeah...Imma be a bit sexist and say that man won't relate!!
Yes! couldn't agree more!!
I don’t necessarily think so, men can also relate to a women character. I think you’re right in acknowledging that is a bit sexist.
Aliens is girl power as hell, and I don't know a single person who doesn't love that film. Ripley has a better story arc, and one anybody could understand.
Nah, it’s bs. I’ll tell you why. Wonder Woman! Wonder Woman is a badass movie about a badass heroine, and I loved it so much that I, a guy wanted to be Diana! The difference was Captain Marvel talked and boasted up women and put down men in a “white men are pigs” type of attitude. Wonder Woman was great inspiring hero who just happened to be a woman! She never preached anything or shoved it down people’s throats! She lived more by example!
Nothing is more annoying to me than a female character that’s artificially propped up. We don’t need to be babied, I prefer REAL equality.
What do I mean by that?
If you have to put jabs in about men being incompetent or show men in an inferior light to make the female character appear “strong”, it feels forced, fake, and makes the hero pathetic. At the very least it’s lazy and immature writing. Like a spoiled child wanting to always win the game with their favorite overpowered character they made up.
But it’s not about winning, it’s how you play the game. The game is no fun when there’s no struggle and risk involved, same with hero stories. Instead of quality writing, we get awful one dimensional characters, flashy graphics, and cgi fight scenes. Then we are expected to not think too much about the writing and just brainlessly consume the product and be happy about it. Ugh.
When you’re female protagonist has a male antagonist who is never really a threat to them, the hero has nothing to struggle against. A key part of the hero’s journey is the struggle against a worthy adversary. Taking that away robs your protagonist of depth and interest.
The Critical Drinker explains my feelings on this issue very well. Certainly better than I can. I’d check out his vids on these subjects for clarity as to why this film and other modern films really fail and feel empty.
I saw this movie in the theater. I love it. Captain Marvel is amazing.
Kree are interesting, and fleshed out a bit more in Agents of SHIELD (which is a great series, if a bit long for the style of this channel)
I was just going to say the same thing. The Kree have more history in AOS.
"Higher, further, faster, baby!!!"
- Carol Danvers(Captain Marvel)
I honestly before I knew of them Making This movie, I don't remember ever knowing or hearing of a- Captain Marvel. But, I made a point of taking my Niece's eldest daughter, because I just knew it would be a cool- " Girl/ Woman Power" film. I will say that- sure...the writing could've been better and CD/ CM should've been given a bit more personality and development. Brie is an Oscar winning actress and there's only so much she can do with the script she was given. The relationship between her and Fury was building up quite nicely, let's face it....this is pretty much the only Marvel movie where he is jovial and fun when the serious stuff isn't going on. I love in this movie where they show how far Carol has come in her life to be the kick ass Air Force Jet pilot she was before the accident and being literally-- kidnapped and brain washed by the damn Kree. I think everyone needs to remember that. How would anyone react to being kidnapped and brain washed...on another planet?!? As a character generally speaking...I love CD/CM. I thought y'all were liking her during the movie in going by your reactions but then your commentary said different.😟 To each their own.
Captain marvel was made with the female gaze and Wonder Woman was made for the male gaze.
The thing with this movie it's that it was only a comercial move and a distraction for Endgame, because after this everyone thought that she would be the ultimate saviour of our universe. Even the director and writers say that she will have a long term development, so she will have her "hero journey" but in several movies.
14:19- STAN LEE!!!! May he Rest in Peace.😔🙏
Welcome Goose, strongest Avenger.
Okay, so I get that people don't like talking about the sexism stuff, but it is central to the plot.
To put it simply (which is admittedly generalizing both men and women), women don't need to have their power literally taken away. It is systematically stripped away socially, emotionally and mentally, through oppression (sexism) and gaslighting.
She had her power taken the minute the Kree convinced her she was one of them AND owed her power (and unquestioning loyalty) to them. No informed consent there.
They manipulated her over and over again. And when she learned that there was another explanation, they tried to take her power literally as punishment for believing her own experiences instead of what they fed her.
She had to learn everything she could do in the final battle cuz they kidnapped her, brainwashed her, and kept her from achieving her potential while telling her it was for her own good - and way too many women know how at least part of that feels.
This isn't a hero's journey. This isn't a superhero story. This is a women's story told in a superhero costume.
THAT is why so many men don't understand it. It isn't really your story. It isn't a judgment to say that. It's a plea that you try to understand something you haven't metaphorically lived.
Men can relate to being gaslit and manipulated
@@moxyblackfiddler Tell me you don't understand how generalization works without telling me you don't understand how generalization works.
Can’t wait to see you guys watching endgame.
I really just want someone to talk about Fury's mistrust of bread cut diagonally. Because in Endgame there's a scene of Black Widow making a sandwich...and she cuts her sandwich diagonally. IS SHE A SKRULL?!! I'm probably reading waaaaaay too much into that but the MCU has trained us to believe nothing is accidental.
I feel like this movie was 70% of a good movie. I still cried like a baby in the theatre because simply seeing a female superhero gives me the feels, but I’m not afraid to criticize it.
Imagine if it was 100%? Or maybe the black widow movie instead of this one
@@whitenoisereacts I’m excited for the next Captain Marvel movie. I used to despise Black Widow but she really grew on me during the last movies. Her movie genuinely should have come earlier. And I really hope you watch WandaVision because it was so good
my fave super hero for 24 years and Brie iS perfect as Captain Marvel. 2022 and 23 will be Huge for her. Carol was most of the film, without emotions and connections to her memories. She was in search of her humanity. All of her weaknesses and emotions will be dealed in future movies.
I think my issue s mostly that things just happens.... And I feel like things aren't something that's earned, I don't feel satisfaction from it. Like it's not particularly bad, nor particularly good...... It's just there
I actually know that place where captain marvel landed on blockbuster video, its a local are where there is a bunch of shut down businesses, they must have repurposed it temporarily to get those scenes
In the mid-90s, the tape trick would've worked, but it's been corrected
We know about the Kree from the guardians of the galaxy, they are basically working with Thanos. They are also a military society/empire that has a known rivalry with Nova corps that we also meet in GOTG. So their motivation for the war is basically just... War and power and aiding Thanos from time to time. And Carol was brainwashed by them to follow that same emotionless and obedient standard but as she's human, we ain't really known for being emotionless or all too obedient at all times.
I wish they had done a series on D+ instead. I think they wanted to hurry and get this out before Endgame so they failed to deliver character development and building. But had they done a series, they could have stretched it out and gave us more of a journey and developed the plot and characters. And I think a lot of people blame Brie Larson for it and say she delivered a poor performance. I think she did fine, she did the best with what little she was given.
One of my favorite Marvel movies 🤩
Endgame isn't the end of the MCU, just phase 3's end. Phase 4 is what we are in currently and that leads to some... fun and interesting things from what I understand... with a certain disney ride hinting at what's coming potentially.
Carol Danvers' callsign is what gave Nick Fury the idea for a certain 'Initiative'.
I like this film but agree it's not my fave Marvel. However with Carol's personality, I think partly what others have commented that we as an audience are not used to seeing a no nonsense, independent woman like her and react maybe a bit less favourably to that, but I also think the film could have done a better job of showing that she has been taught part of that stoicism from the Kree. Control your emotions yes but also how it's possibly spilling over into don't ask for help or show sympathy or whatever. Agree that her relationship with Fury is one of the films highlights, and I loved seeing Fury that much more carefree than we are used to! They're a sweet brotp and I think it's in those moments (as well as with Maria and her daughter) that we see how loving Carol can be. I also love the not even a little bit subtle message of "get knocked down - get back up".
Agreed. It's so refreshing when people expand on their criticism of Captain Marvel, and the reality of the situation is that the writers didn't take the time they should have with her.
P.S.; Don't get me started on Mantis. ;~;
The problems with the character are she’s just kinda bland, like Superman, but without even the Clark Kent persona to keep things interesting… It also didn’t help that a bunch of films around this time seemed to be trying to push “strong, independent, no nonsense woman character” or whatever…. I might be wrong, I forget… Either way, characters like Wonder Woman and Battle Angel Alita seemed nicer, more fun, more interesting…More human and relatable… As do characters like Ripley from Alien, or Sarah Connor in Terminator 2… Captain Marvel was hampered by the character not being too interesting and being too powerful to really seem badass… I mean if there’s no physical struggle, it’s not so impressive…
This said, I think they could have made the character a lot easier to get into if they rearranged things… Maybe start with the flashbacks of her human past, leading into her scene of her memories being read while captured by the Skrulls… Have her escape and falling to Earth, but then, after you’ve set her up as the cooler and more human character, flashback to how she got there (The beginning of the film up until she is captured)… After that, continue roughly as before… Simple change, but I think a lot of people would probably enjoy her more that way… Helps set up her motivations and character better too, I think… I dunno, I’m probably wrong, but oh well…
I think the story of this movie was not really well organised and unfortunately, it’s what caused the characters to feel a little weak as well. I like the characters and I really like Carol, but the way the story was presented was not the best way to connect with them. I really liked the different montages of Carol’s memories and it’s a way to show them, but they should have added more scenes or they should have expended them so we understand more what her life was like. I don’t know how to explain it, we’ve seen a lot of glimpses into her past life but at the same time if feels like we don’t know much.
Plus, I know a lot of people complained about Carol not showing a lot of emotion but it’s the point of her training as a Kree : she’s taught not to show any. And especially when she realises she’s been lied to and her life used to be completely different, it’s a lot of changes and shocking reveals at the same time so she instinctively goes back to what she knows and what she thinks is real. There are several scenes where we definitely see her emotions pouring through her training.
Also, they should have explained the conflict between the Kree and the Skrulls better. I totally loved the reveal that the Skrulls were good and just persecuted by the Krees, but it didn’t really have this feel of “it’s been happening for years”. Maybe showing us a flashback of Krees and Skrulls fighting and also showing the Krees attacking other planets/species so we understand more their thirst for power and territories could have helped.
Anyway, I don’t think it’s a bad movie at all, but it could have been handled better. It felt a little like they were trying to fill in the blanks before Endgame rather than actually presenting us with a new character. It’s like they wanted to use Carol in Endgame but as we didn’t know who she was yet, they had to “rush” into making a movie to quickly present her to us. It was kinda sloppy… I just look forward to seeing more of her in The Marvels and maybe see her evolve into her own self and closer to what she used to be when she was fully human. I think Marvel will learn from the mistakes made in this movie and will give us a much better one.
Sorry for the very long comment xD
Totally agree!!
I think Carol's arrogant portrayal is accurate. I think anyone would be that way with that kind of power.
19:00 "Does that actually work?"
My guess is, if it did at one time, by the time the technique is shown in a movie, it's already been rendered obsolete...or if not, it most surely was a priority to upgrade security systems shortly after.
"Higher, further, faster, baby!!!!"
- Carol Danvers/Vers/Captain Marvel
"That's a photon blast. Skrull can't do that." Yeah, neither can Kree. Sigh...
What I mean to say I like Carol's character, she's written like that in the comic so when she makes he friends, it's that much more special.
Superman has a sad backstory. He has a power source, kinda, and he's got weaknesses.
Some people are just:
An arrogant playboy billionaire philanthropist who grew up in an entitled rich environment - "YES PLEASE!"
An arrogant powerful woman who had to work her ass off to rise up the ranks - "HOW 'BOUT NO."
It's one way to look at it, I suppose. :P
Don't get me wrong tho, there are plenty of ways they could've made and written Carol better and more character driven. The way it was written, it seems like she really didn't have much of a struggle to overcome. I mean, there is, but it's weak. While I'm disappointed in the writing, I don't hate her though.
I think the problem is the reason we found it hard to relate to Carol is we found her in a bad time. She has no idea who she is and she's basically at blank slate. So it makes her harder to be relatable when we compare her to Diana in WW1. Diana has a base so we see her personality and the real her, the writers bad the bad decision to have Carol be amnesiac and also an 'emotionless' warrior so that makes it hard for her to be relatable.
Space cats are clearly ginger 🐈
Goose, Jonesy from Alien, Orion from Men In Black. Ginger cats, all out of this world.
Data's cat, Spot.
10:55 “She’s insanely powerful.”
Oh just you wait.
I absolutely think this movie is overhated. However, it's still an underwhelming movie imo
It was a hard origin because half the movie she didn't even know who she was. I want to get to know CAROL.
Captain Marvel's story isn't one about developing power (like Tony with his suits, Captain America, Spiderman). It's about regaining power and self. The Kree in this are analogous to abusers, and how they parallel the real world is kind of terrifying. As a psych person, I can see where her commanding officer is gaslighting her. He's not trying to get her to have an appropriate level of control over her emotions. He's trying to cut off her emotions so the Kree society can have a killing machine. The Supreme Intelligence is playing into it hard. Giving her very sympathetic reasons for why Carol has no memories. That it's better she isn't bothered with the weight of memories, all the while knowing that if she had her memories, she would have the strength to break free. A Kree getting flung across the room by Carol in the beginning isn't gonna do much more than daze him for a minute; it's dangerous to the goals of the Kree rather than being dangerous to their health.
Captain Marvel was born as a human and lived on Earth until she destroyed and absorbed light speed engine then she was abducted by Kree Empire and she was given the transfusion of blood from the guy who was a general, the transfusion of Kree blood turned her into a Kree and human hybrid and Kree had very increased psychological abilities ❤
I actually prefer diagonally cut toast...
They turned Nick Fury into comic relief.
James you have the clearest blue eyes I've ever seen...not being weird just giving a sincere compliment.
The main issue with Captain Marvel and even Black Panther is the lack of motivations for both villains and heroes because the writers mostly relied more on the theme of story too much rather than end goal or morality or morals of the character development so they mostly feel irrational than honest
Have you guys already seen Invincible the animated series? if not hope to see you react to the show and hear NInetailbrush"s take on western vs japanese animation
12:48 this line is funny cause it’s the same actress that plays Cersi in Eternals 😂
I didn't love this movie, either, which was kinda disappointing-the first Marvel movie focusing on a woman, and my reactions is... meh? But I did really like the dynamic between her and Fury. And I liked that there was no romantic interest-not even a hint at romance. It's something I really appreciate at this point in my life.
I'm not sure what I'd want them to change while still introducing all these characters and alien races, though. I think it was a decent enough installment in the MCU, and hopefully Captain Marvel will shine more in future productions.
I don't get why people are disappointed about the "cat" scratching Fury. Nothing was going to be significant enough to match the legends built in our minds. And it fits perfectly for Fury to give a not-exactly-accurate account of what happened when he wants to make a point. Think of how he handled Agent Coulson's trading cards in Avengers. So if he wanted to convince Steve of his no-trusting point, it 100% makes sense for him to use his eye as a prop. If he had kids, he'd probably tell him he lost his eye due to picking his nose or some such thing, whatever habit he wanted them to stop. (Actually, by the time the kids grew up, they'd probably have been told he lost his eye from not brushing his teeth, using a knife his mama told him not to, underage drinking, running with scissors, and more.)
Though we didn't really *need* to know what happened. It could have been left to our imaginations. But I guess the writers couldn't resist.
when they announced it i suggested No Doubts ''Just A Girl 'as a fight song.. they were on the same page
I ❤️ This Movie!
Ironman is waaaaay more arrogant in all his movies, but a woman with power and self confidence will look “arrogant” to men used to the patriarchy.
And what his key flaw? His arrogance. What does Cap call him out for? Not being humble or selfless and laying his life down for his friend. Stop making this a women thing. This has nothing to do with women vs men. Black Widow is plenty quirky and I think she’s a great character
@@whitenoisereacts and yet people praise him for his arrogance. They never say “oh I don’t like the way he behaves, he should be more humble, who does he think he is?”. No, they cheer every time he makes a display of egocentrism. I think that’s the difference. I wish it wasn’t a women thing, but unfortunately for many people it is. And the thing with Black Widow is that she was always one addition to a group mainly of men and yes, she added, but didn’t lead (and was introduced as the sexy assistant - later assassin, so that gained her points with the male audience). If she would’ve lead the Avengers, you can bet she also would’ve received a lot of hate… Believe me, knowing that Captain Marvel could beat the male heroes with one move just because she can and her unapologetic attitude touched a nerve in many macho brains out there. Don’t get me wrong, I had to challenge my own thoughts a couple of times because I have found myself doing those things and we should do better. It is a matter of consciousness and practice. At least that’s what I think 🤷🏻♂️.
I think a lot about the Kree wasn't explained well for those who didn't watch Agents of SHIELD. They had, I think, a whole season where we saw the Kree and what they do with those who are forced to submit and have been conquered.
I have to ask, I know that one of you already saw the disney series, but I think it is necessary that you see it, at least the Wanda and Loki, which are the ones that will connect and prepare you for the new Spiderman and Doctor Strange movies. It is very important.
Also the big change was the Skrulls being good unlike the comics, that caught us off guard. Great for comic readers, I can understand if you have no background since just MCU
This movie is a mid pack Marvel movie for me, it's not in my top 10, and it has major flaws, but having said that I blame the directors for the choices that were made. I'm glad they will not be on for CM2. As far as Brie Larson goes, she is a very good actress (hence the blame to the directors). She was more interesting in Endgame then she is in her own movie. But the people who say she is a bad actress are just wrong.
No…but she was bad in this movie. It wasn’t just the writing. It was the director or something, but movies don’t all of the sudden provide a bad performance cause of writing. U can usually tell the difference. Don’t get me wrong the writing in this was pretty bad, but so was her acting. Which made it all the more disappointing cause ur right, she’s a very talented actress
@@whitenoisereacts you missed the part where I blame the directors in my comment. In fact I said nothing about the writing being good or bad. It was the directors (there were two of them) poor direction which made her performance wooden. She can act, unfortunately she acted what the directors wanted.
Oh yeah my bad!!! Completely agree
Please tell us you'll react to the MCU series too, you guys have to see everything!
so hyped for endgame reaction!!!
This movie falls for me in the "just ok" category. Nothing special, but fine
I’m sure people have already pointed this out but a lot of the hate this movie and especially Brie Larson receives is very misogynistic. A female hero who is OP, a bit arrogant comes worse as a bitch. Tony Stark on the other hand comes across as a “cool badass” though he is worse in the arrogant and selfish department. You have to remember that for a majority of the movies you’re not supposed to know she’s human, so the “human” aspect of her isn’t supposed to exist, but you get glimpses of it in her banter and relationship with Nick and also Maria. I just find it interesting that literally everyone who I’ve spoken to who doesn’t like the movie, their biggest reason is because of Captain Marvel, and when I ask what about her they say she’s unlikeable because she’s arrogant and not approachable as a woman. But they also love Tony Stark so..it’s just very interesting. I’ve always Tony as a character and Iron Man is my least favorite hero because he’s extremely arrogant and selfish, way more than Captain Marvel.
Also I think you’re supposed to get a bit of an understanding about the Kree and their intentions from the Guardians of the Galaxy movie, that’s why it wasn’t so explicitly placed in this one, we have already been exposed to the Kree in the future, so you’re supposed to draw the parallel to that. Overall the movie could have better for sure, but I think Captain Marvel is a wonderful character and very interesting. I suspect more of her “humanity” will be explored in her later movies to come.
They could have made her stoic without being a bitch, they could had her made her put a little more emotion or at least teary eyed when she said she is human. They could have had her at least have problems hiding her emotions more. This is coming from a woman perspective. You have Sarah Conner, Ripley who are strong female characters without being a bitch. The hardest part of making a OP character male or female is making them relatable, so that you as a reader, another human can relate to some degree. Superman is so OP that's its hard to relate to so they add in his weakness of kyrptonite, so when he dies for someone he loves or dies to save people we can relate. Carroll is OP and from the looks of it, no weaknesses except herself, for that kind of Character you have to show a deep internal struggle within and show that we'll so the general audience can relate to them, that's not misogyny that's story telling 101.
Every time you say end of the MCU.. Dude its not.. You know that 😂😂
It's all from the comics, Carol is not supposed to be likable which is exactly what i like. Not everyone is liked which I respect from the comic. Plus the comic explain the Kree Skrull War and they will be explaining to come in the MCU
Some vulnerability is missing in Captain Marvel's character. She's still human right? Her powers can be the most powerful, but there is no internal struggle to surpass. She lacks emotional depth.
Besides, the actress isn't very charismatic.
Endgame is not the end of the MCU
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People making this about being male or female seem desperate lol. If a movie isn’t that good then it’s just that. But if you like it then more power to you. Stop trying to make things what they aren’t just because you’re not getting validation🙄
Yeah it's stupid that people have made it about men vs women
The end of the MCU? That's way in the future. You've got more Spiderman, Shang Chi, Black Widow, the Disney+ shows....
About the "only human" comment. Because we are only human, we will fail, so we have no choice to survive except keep getting up.
oh shit seen this movie a few times & just realized stan lee was reading mallrats script?
the problem with captain marvel is in the comics she doesnt have nearly the same amount of history and great stories as the other main comic heroes created by stan lee and kirby or ditko. all the other mcu movies had characters created like in the 60s by stan lee and kirby or ditko or others
Guys kree doing kree stuffs becose they are kree. Kree are galactic na,zi.
Unfortunately I did not like this movie, or their interpretation of the character, or of the Kree/Skrull conflict. And how Nick Fury lost his eye pissed me off. However the stand up montage was legit cool good directing.
hey guys, I feel that this movie was not properly finished, I think there was no time. Kevin Smith director, if you know of him he's a big comic books fan and he concurred that Marvel was doing it right and it was because they were doing it by committee, in other words it is not just the work of one director, there is a larger group or person in charge orchestrating a cohesive arc for all of the movies to come together to make a greater whole and so if they did it properly with this movie they would have gone over the production again to find flaws and weaknesses and to fix anything they can to make it fit better into the bigger overall vision. I think that they never got to this point, they were unable to give Captain Marvel "the MCU treatment" that most of the other movies got to have. The hero here is very important and should have warranted the special treatment but it was late in the game of the 10-year arc and there was zero time in-between Infinity War and Endgame... there was no time to redo any part of the movie.
Let me also add... that I really like the "punching" fight scenes in this movie. The photon blasts are like punches and so the fights are "punch based" and are really well done. Now ask, who did the fight scenes? The team that did the fight scenes did really well. Whatever issues that the rest of the film had could be separated and some may argue could have been improved - personally I like the movie and I feel I understand Carol as a "fighter pilot" character. There is a famous description of fighter pilots... when enemy jets are attacking but they seem to have an obsession with the local ace pilot hero, Captain Gloval explains "...who knows what goes on in the mind of a fighter pilot." That line is a very brief way of explaining that fighter pilots are like a different breed that even command structure cannot fathom and it's best to just let them be as long as they can save the day, in the heat of battle you cannot be up there in the cockpit telling the pilot what to do, in fact their talent far surpasses you and you must let them be the captains of their ships/vessels. Each fighter pilot is independent when they're up there. This feels like a big digression but the film could have been improved probably by just a few minutes of changes... but it would need 6 months of going over everything by the gold team... and no there wasn't that kind of time unfortunately.
the plot of the movie wasn't supposed to be a big plot it was just something to lead you into endgame just like ant-man and the wasp was supposed to give marvel fans something light after the pain and sadness infinity war gave us
You are brave for being honest. Keep it up!
James, have you been fighting?
Why? Lol
The problem with this movie with me was the amnesia stuff. It just got so convoluted and confusing. Also we got no background about the kree vs skrull stuff. And finally I just didn't care about Carol. Can't put a finger on why but it just didn't connect with me.
0:19 yes this takes place 1995
What happens to me with Carol is that they make her so powerful, she seems impersonal, distant, arrogant. While the others have busted their asses to save the world and losing in the attempt, she came in and said "I got this" I don't feel emotional connection to the character, and she comes out in almost every post credits of the MCU movies and always with the same "I gotta go, something happened" and it's like OMG, you're not into this at all. I get Nick Fury vibes that she's the big boss but you don't see her doing shit.
tbh I don't like this movie, I'm just not of fan of the amnesia plot line not saying it can't work but it doesn't work here for me. We don't really get to know Carol's personality. This isn't a bad movie, it's just okay. This is actually my least favorite marvel movie so far, even the movies many think are the worst in the MCU like Thor: the Dark World I find them more interesting then this movie tbh. Maybe it's because like you said with Ant Man & the Wasp, I already knew a lot of the characters and liked them. I think the What if series did a bit better of a job making Carol likable but not by much as it was a brief part in the show.