In Blizzard's defense, there's actually some decent lore behind zaqali assault. The story of the raid is that wrathion and Sabellian are talking to echo of neltharion (their dad) throughout the raid. On the way to assault, the echo is warning Sabellian that the zaqali are also assaulting the crucible and trying to take neltharion's power for themselves as well as freeing the zaqali elder that neltharion had imprisoned. Sabellian is convinced to stop the assault but then horrified when we find rashok and the treatment of him by neltharion.
Also, if they free the Elder, it means that both him and the rest of Zaquali are fighting us at the same time, and we barely survive them one by one. By stopping Assault first, we have a chance to get them one by one
Was that about Rashok? Because although that fight's generally pretty well-liked among Mythic raiders right now top-end guilds made this boss seem much, much easier than it actually is. There's like 1000 guilds all stuck on Rashok right now and many guilds that are close to killing him or who have killed him have taken 100+ pulls to do so. Like yeah, no, that boss was only a 10-20 pull fight if your guild is cracked. It punishes mistakes like a Sepulcher boss would.
My guild only raids heroic and this tier was super disappointing at how easy it was. Felt no sense of accomplishment killing Sarkareth after fewer than 10 pulls - whereas the last time I got aotc was on Sire Denathrius and there were actual nerd screams in the chat it was awesome because the fight was actually hard. Really hoping this isn't how raiding is planning to continue.
@@jakewright1932 You cant really compare the first tier of an expansion to the second tier of a different expansion. Especially considering there were considerable tuning issues on multiple Castle Nathria fights. Not only was Abberus tuned to be easier and not require significant nerfs but we also came geared from the previous tier on top of the new upgrade system which compounded how much easier heroic was. If anything i would give to not have to repeat how awful progressing raz was in vault
The only real criticism i have of sarkareth is that the visual clarity wasn't the best. Many of the indicators for mechanics blend into the ground a lot, the void bombs have swirlies (a design primarily used to indicate avoidance) on spawn despite not having damage associated with them, the frontal in p3 seemingly has no indicator for the area it hits, etc. Its all stuff you can get by reading the dungeon journal but it is odd considering how well they have been doing with consistent and clear visuals.
seriously, 90% of my guilds wipes were due to confusion of mechanics. we avoided relying on dbm for fun purposes but seriously everything is purple even the fucking room
i god damn hate it when mechanics are hard to see i can't see well colors ESPECIALLY purple... don't know why they still insist with this stupid 'hard to see' difficulty
Bombs pulse aoe damage around them until they’re picked up, so the swirlie kinda makes sense. Imo the bigger issue is that everything is purple, it’s hard to distinguis who has the bomb vs who has the debuff to dispell vs who has the big soak, etc.
This was recorded before the cheese strat was used to just kill the boss from 80% and before they hotfixed the fight to "fix" it. That abomination of a fight deserves to be in a tier below Magmorax nowadays, though.
The funny thing about zskarn is the fight literally gets bricked by geometry. The room is hexagonal with straight edges, and the traps are circular with round edges, so there's always going to be safe spots around the edges
Well, using the Heine-Borel theorem, the room is both a closed and bounded subset of R^2 so the room is compact, which implies that there exists a finite sub-covering of unit disks, covering the arena. So I would be inclined to say that this is false. Joking aside, putting a trap on the corners/edges solves this issue.
@@Hephera And Blast Wave exists...? The safe spots before "the cheese" was fixed worked because they were up against the wall, so Blast Wave always pushed you against the wall (effectively keeping you in place). This whole "hexagons and circle omegalul i'm such a smartass" thing is completely meaningless.
For anyone who didn't watch them make this list live, you can tell that this was from quite a while ago because Zskarn's in B. I wonder where Max would put that absolute abomination of a fight now.
this was such a great raid. loving this expansion, loving the flying, the raids are good, mythic plus hasn't been overly terrible, not much to hate here.
@@Curates223 well like max i dont pvp much so not sure about that one. but it seems like it cant be as bad as ever because there is a vendor and gear is not hard to get. maybe you are talking about class balance though.
as a former top 200 guild raider, shorter fights is the best thing they could do. heavy on mechanics is great, as long as you dont do heavy mechainics for 12 minutes. its disheartening. Also the gearing system is perfect for people who dont do splits. and top 10 raid guilds. the fact that people from top 200 havent reached the last 2 means its tuned right with the gear system.
Opinion from someone who got every CE since BFA (with exception of CN cuz early SL sucked so hard I quited the game like week 3 of raid and came back at the very end). And all of them were month-ish before the next tier (with exception of Jailer where we litteraly killed it on last 15min of last tier, day before season 4. #BestTierEver). With who I am out of the way. Heroic is an absolute joke, and yea sure it shouldnt be hard for mid row Mythic raiders, but oneshotting everything day 1, and killing last boss with one night of progress is too easy. Mythic tho...Mythic is interesting. First Boss was AWESOME. A bit on a harder side, but it was fun difficulty, not vigilent Guardian overtooning to oblivion and beyond. I would put it in S tier, but I need to bump it down all the way to B tier for one Simple reason. No matter what strat you do it with the fight gets infinitely easier with half of raid dead, and its just stiupid. On last phase with everyone alive lasers go everywhere, some idiots cross them, there is no space for anything. Absolute chaos for the last 30% Burn. But once like 8 people are dead suddenly all portals go on the same people all the time...and all of them get laser after. So no matter how little space there are you just do one step and mechanic is trivialised. This is just dumb Assoult. The add fight. Nothing good to say abaut it but aslo nothing bad. One thing that hitted us, and wasnt even noticed by better guilds the start of P2, when you have adds left over Phoenixes fly around all at once, Boss does some aoe too. Very chaotic transition, and now on farm we just nuke it like nothing, but on first kill we had to...or at least felt like we had to...CC at least some od the Phoenixes back where we play p1 so the damage don't come all at once and is survivable, so the Mythic change isn't as much as "no change" as it was for you Amalgamation. Awesome fight, but I dont know what you are smoking saying swapping bosses is easier than swapping players. Making big ass lane of markers on the middle where everyone clears while changing sides is the easiest thing ever. Do it once and push bosses to p2. Swapping bosses tho is ridicoulously hard. We accualy have 2nd raid group who for whatever reason tried to do it that way and it was miserable. Experoments. Absolute swamp ass boss. First one does nothing, but pushing him to 50% at correct moment huge difference beacuse if 2nd one skips first debuff he accualy skips 2 of them...not sure why the timers just lined up that way, making fight so much easier its absurd. And the last Boss is again a joke the only difficulty being the debuffs left behind by 2nd one and buggy ass shield orbs...but then he can absorb 3 of them, basicly healing for 60% and the fight is still doable if you killed 2nd one fast enough and no clown fiesta is going on with debuffs. Really stiupid Boss. Rashock. I have VERY mixed feelings abaut this boss. The tooning on him is extreamly tight we had multiple pulls when everyone played good (aka. no deaths, no big mistakes) and still wiped on 1-6% HP. This should never happend on 5th Boss! Hell that would be bullshit on final boss. We litteraly hard to kill our holy priest on the last frontal, so he keeps healing and we can keep pumping + retri got free wings to find the last missing bits of DPS. If demo lock or Arcane mage got first orb soak we (didnt to get practice, but from killing the Boss perspective should) call a wipe right there, cuz fucking up their opener was enough damage loss for the raid to make kill impossible no matter what others did, we wont get these few milion damage back. That insane ammounts of optimization should be Reserved ONLY for final bosses...preferably ONLY at World First lvl. For my world 600-800 guild if everyone does ok DPS, and noone died I want Boss to die. Wiping to enrage after "Perfect" pulls 10 times, only beacuse we didnt find like 5k more DPS between entire raid group is the worst feeling ever. We finally killed it earlier that week, but I'm not convinced it wasnt just dumb luck and I dread farm cuz there is so little upgrades left to get the Boss wont get naturally easier with time. And I have no bloody idea how guilds worse than mine or our 2nd raid group (they are ending experiments progress) are supposed to kill it. If we, even on Perfect pulls often had slightly too little DPS, how in the world they are supposed to find missing damage when as a raid they are doing ~150k less than us? Even when playing absoloutly perfectly they will be just banging heads against unbreakable stone wall untill nerfs...Deam it just got to me it was your expierience on Rasza...so you probably can imagine the feeling. The same shit, just not for few hours but for weeks or a month, and not for 2 guilds but for hundreads of them. I blame the upgrade system. They clearly tooned it with it in mind, but ended up missing a Mark compleatly. For you it was grossely undertooned, for top 500 it was perfect. For us Rashock is slightly overtooned, but killable cuz we killed it...on enrage, with some God pull where stars alligned, but we did it. For anyone worse than us it's grossely overtooned and no matter what they do they simply can't kill it, and then stepping out of Mythic to heroic teams again it's giga undertooned. Ending Rashock rant, despite all bad I said abaut how bleeding edge tooned it was for us, and how impossible it is for anyone worse...I fucking love it. I guess it's the same thing you guys have on World First where you come up with some ridiouls things to get these few extra points of damage to kill the Boss and comming up with "ok lets kill priest it will give us the edge to keep everyone else alive to make attempt at killing this fucker, and will give ret free wings so it's slight DPS gain...and Boss enrages in 10sec anyway so there is no downside to having priest in angel form." was so awesome I want more. Legit when it died we screamed harder than when we got CE on Rasza...and it aslo felt better cuz Rasza was killed with enterint last phase with one guy dead IIRC...huh now that I think abaut it harder it's even more insane this fucker was THAT MUCH more tightly tooned for us than a God Deam last Boss from previous tier...there cr ment little to nothing, and entering last phase with dead guy was doable...here one guy fucking up Opener ment boss is unkillable. Ahh "Rashock first intermission end: 58% = good 59% bad but killable 60% = oh fuck 61% = well it's a wipe anyway but lets practice doging shit so noone will die on real attempt With Rashock rant ended Zskarn. Havent killed it yet, and have only 1,5 raid on it but MY GOD THIS BOSS IS SWAMP ASS. Rng traps, dumb ass golem, baiting with whole raid aka. ranged friendly Boss my ass the fucking mini traps on old safespots. DELETE THIS SHIT AND MAKE INVISIBLE WALL YOU BLIZZARD MORONS! Ammount of times someone got pushbacked into this little thing makes me so mad...and it will only get worse near the end. The fact you borderlane have to 3tank it. The fact it was cheesed so hard they made it so much worse...ehhh Well and that ends my rant cuz I havent played other bosses yet so I have nothing to say abaut them. If I remember I will update this as we kill more bosses... but I will probably forget. Ps. if anyone made it to the end pls leave some sign, ty
I thought magma wasn't all that bad until I was progging heroic with my guild and had a pug tell us to stack all the pools in one spot and it worked. I'm so baffled how they managed to fumble a fight this hard, why can you just ignore entire mechanics by standing together?? I get the infinite duration debuff makes it not work on mythic but a fight being completely irrelevant on 3/4 difficulties with a strat as simple as stacking on a mark is horrible design
Visual clarity wasn’t great on Sark but for me it’s the best end boss I’ve ever encountered in the game. The build up and teaching of mechanics and how you’ll need everything for phase 3 is amazing. I love the length, I think it’s an action packed 7 minute screamer. I hate long fights. Sark is the best end boss of the expansion and is one of the best they’ve made I think. Absolute banger. Also, my idea of P2 is that the blossom is to introduce stepping in something and getting stacks to go down. In P3 you have to stand in something else but it’s taught in P2 to look for that stack so I think P2 accomplishes what it needs to without a boring intermission where you don’t hit the boss.
The door is locked for warlord kagni because *we* dont want *him* in there. It doesnt matter that we're also going that way,we specifically are trying to stop *him* from entering further into Aberrus,which is very,very clearly not a good thing if they succeed,as they are clear enemies of us. Just cause we want in the door doesnt mean we want him inside too
This is the best Raid ever for a casual two day ce guild. We're the type who has a bunch of dads and a few moms who Raid 6 hours a week and do 1-4 m+ a week. This level of difficulty is PERFECT.
I'm torn, I think all but rashok and nelth are either forgettable or not that fun (zskarn), but it's easy and I find myself in the raid a decent amount more than vault, maybe because it's easier and the gears more relevant than last tier
My take on the 'bad' bosses this raid is that the mechanics should have been rotated so magmorax was boss 1, kazzara (with a bit more spice) boss 5, and rashok boss 7. Kazzara has enough going on that if tuned to be a challenge it'd be a perfectly good wing end boss, magmorax actually wouldn't be an awful first boss, and rashok is goated.
Instead of Kagni dieing during Assault, at like a pre-determined health point he would run up to door and actually break it open but instead of it actually being Rashok waiting being juiced out, magmorax grabs Kagni and slowly goes to the boss arena while slowly killing Kagni. How did the Zaqali actually know where their elder actually was? Misplaced information from us on our quest chain could’ve influenced that and leads to Rashok who is fueling the Crucible IN the lava. I mean how epic would’ve it been if when the lava lowered slightly, we saw not only the entrance to Echo/Sark but Rashok there, maddened by encased in lava for thousands of years while being drained. Solves that boss placement and actually makes it more epic on both ends, solves the tuning too.
The only real issue with Rashok is it's such a tight boss to kill that a LOT of guilds who are approaching him are gonna be hard stuck on it. I wouldn't be surprised to see it get significant nerfs before the end of the tier.
absolutely the problem is normal guilds dont do splits or class stacking for their progress. We had the problem that the boss wasnt that hard to play rather the dmg and healing checks were hard. But i guess its just natural that these bosses fall relatively shortly for the best players in the world compared to normal players which is fine for me personally
I think first boss of the raid should be evaluated as introduction or even a tutorial into the raid and raiding in general. In others words imagine you're new ore returning player who decides to try out raiding for the first time (or for the first time in a while). You enter the raid and thats the first big thing you fight. What are you impressions?
I can understand what you mean, but afaik they mainly rank these bosses on their mythic versions, and mythic bosses aren't designed for new players regardless of the position in the raid
@@hrdii678 thats fair, then it should be "for players new to Mythic" etc. Also feel like it would be worth mentioning they are considering only Mythic version since it's not mentioned in the title/description/intro but then they proceed to just focus on Mythic.
Raid was pretty cool. I will say tho i feel like first boss is too hard for much pugs. Not to say its a hard boss at all. But i went casual this tier and the struggle is immense when pugging
It's a recurring problem that boss tuning and design are hurt by its place in the instance. It didn't used to be this way. Difficulty curve and mechanical complexity was all over the place in Cata and MoP, but that wasn't a bad thing. You could also skip bosses on the hardest difficulty.
I'm way more casual than you so I can't really speak about mythic, but heroic Magmo is the worst boss they've ever put into modern WoW. Heroic Magmo is easier than normal Kazzara absolutely brain dead fight.
Non-Mythic Magmorax is the second-worst fight they've ever put into modern WoW. Mythic Zskarn is the worst fight they've ever put into WoW, period. Even boring-ass Classic/TBC training dummies are at least well-designed with the logic of that time in mind; Zskarn's just a clusterfuck of spell queuing, non-negligible amounts of RNG, and mechanical vomit.
for real, that fight as a melee is straight up one of the most miserable progs i have ever had. 35 pulls of running around barely touching the bosses and straight up coping while the ranged are having a field day xd
I think the thing with Assault of the Zaqali is that the door has defense mechanisms that will kill the hell out of you if the Djaradin are allowed to attack it, and also do you wanna do Rashok with a buttload of adds?
magmorax was nonexistent in raid on normal and hc, like only change on hc is that you need to soak with multiple people, and the stacks will fall down anyway, like.. there was no enjoyment when we killed him on hc, nothing - it was the same fight
did a 100 - 0 on zskarn before the rework, legit only spawned 4 set of bombs which were bops/divine shield and then it was piss easy, bdk just ran out with all the externals and portaled back/got gripped back :D they legit fixed it 1hr after the kill we had
I miss Castle Nathria. Might be too early to call it but I feel like Shadowlands had way better overall raid and boss design than DF, CN especially. Ironically enough I feel as though the bosses, mechanics and overall raid design was a lot more inspired in SL overall than it is in this tier. Vault was pretty kino though, especially Kurog and Brood
Zskarn deserves to be ranked as the worst boss ever made, period. Blizzard allowed 300 Guilds to kill it in 10 pulls and then fixed it, turning it into a 100 pull fight, when what they should have done was do delete the boss entirely. It's too late to fix a boss after 300 Guilds kill it. Absolute disgrace.
There is one exception to "rng wiping feels like shit" (or "bugs are bad", if you wish) and it is discoball Shard of Halkias. (for those who do not know: ruclips.net/video/jIvcFmuN8pI/видео.html)
Magmorax feels like it should've been the first boss instead of Kazzara. For the 7th boss in a raid and what is designed to be a dps check, it feels pathetic.
Personally over the last few years I feel like so many raids have mechanics that feel bullshit and not like something you out play but you just pray you get past making reclears never feel fun and always feel like a chore. Also really dislike fights like Dathea where it is night and day difference in being something like 2 DK to massive grip plateforms vs being in a raid with zero DKs. Was way more of a problem in shadowlands then this expansion but I think this isn't a problem for top guilds is only designed to ruin the experience for everyone else that can field unlimited raid comp options. This raid doesn't feel like that at all outside of forgotten experiments which is only lame on mythic.
I do think heroic gear going bascially to the level of mythic gear is good, it means that mythic raid can be tuned better, ive always felt that mythic shouldnt drop actual gear and should be more of a challenge for unique items etc.
Zskarn should be downgraded to "why does this exist" because of how bad the RNG is on that fight after the "fix" along with the dev who designed it, using the cheese, then a day or two later, removing the cheese strat from the game.
They should add a boss fight where 2 DPS can click a pedestal and be transformed into a tank for the encounter. 4 bosses that need to be separately tanked and swapped etc (4 horseman). Not sure why theyve never done this.
New council boss Of all bosses first to reach each increment of 5%hp adds a mechanic for the other 2 but theres only like important mechanics at 80,60,40,20 % that are a lil different from eachither, some are easy for melee some are easy for ranged some are just hps check some are dps checks
This raid had a huge issue with visual clarity, and ground clutter imo. Maybe it's just because I'm too melee brained. But fuck, there's like 3 different swirls on each fight, all doing different shit. It's just a visual mess.
agree on rashok and echo but sark not a lot i have only fought him 2 times because we won the second round and beating ehco of neltharion took quite a LOT of tries with diferent groups because ppl quits after losing 3 rounds. but the point is that i didnt even understood what tf was happening on sark fight xd i didnt even understood what killed me after the portal and star collecting
Here’s my rating, from my normal/lfr stand point about to enter heroic for the first time 9. Magmorax - I was so hyped when I saw the model, and goddamn this disappointed 8. Assault Of the Zaqali - It’s an add fight. But it’s at least unique with the rocks. Marginally better than magmorax 7. Forgotten Experiments - imo this might be one of the easiest fights blizzard has ever released. It’s super boring with nothing to do it feels. 6. Kazzara - It’s a great first boss, but first bosses rarely are better than the majority of the others in the raid. 5 - Amalgamation Chamber - Such a good earlier fight that had great visuals and was extremely unique. It’s cool how it’s two different entities combined into one at the end 4. Zskarn - This fight is chaotic but fun. Has flaws but I think is super fun. Chaotic fights like primal council I’ve always enjoyed and this continued that trend. 3. Sarkareth - Lore wise a weird final boss, but the fight is really cool. Also, I like purple, and I like void, so visually this fight really stood out to me. It’s a great end boss but it doesn’t match up to some other ones we’ve had. 2. Rashok - Super enjoyable and really tense. You said it better than I could but this is near perfection. 1. Echo of Neltharion - this is one of the most unique fights they’ve ever released. I found it fun and tense and everything a raid boss should be. This is perfection for me. Now it’s time after I get my KSM for heroic! I would love to know tips from anybody about it!
I really enjoy the shorter fights. I love the gearing system, but id like to be able to trade crests to alts and trade crests up a tier all at a reduced value ofcourse.
I can tell you that without a doubt, I’d rather be able to get the gear I need quickly and the. Just refine fight mechanics and clear a raid in 3-6 weeks rather than slower progression clearing in 8-12 weeks or more.
Hello Mr @maximum My name is reece and I was wondering if you were recruiting at all I'm a casual player that would really like to go hard ! I can ussaly learn things really fast or do whatever is needed to win and gear ! Sorry to bother you as well I was just wondering haha have a great day
Long time player, but i peak at heroic. Really dislike the idea to play at certain times. So my take: Raid is overall good, but sarkareth is terrible last boss. I just cannot explain how boring is, but the boss is boring. Platform is boring. Purple on purple is awful design. Also for a last boss to be good, for me it has to be some famous wow dude or like big and strong dragon etc. Who the hell is Sarkareth and why it matters? Some random dracthyr. We expected Fyrakk or something like that. Even the cinematic after the boss is done like in 10 minutes break.
Just killed Zskar, worst boss i have every played in my life and on and off i play since tbc. maybe for very vey good guildes is different but for a normal CE guild i think that boss is a nightmare, hard for the wrong reasons and just stupid overall. Worst boss ever.
Sarkareth was kinda lame as a final boss. I liked the fight but the actual NPC model of the boss seems extremely underwhelming. The guy wakes up in a Cavern and we kill him.
First boss is the best boss because it immediately tells me how stupid 99% of every team I ever play with is. the tanks just pull half the room and let the other half of the room live.... the boss lands kills 50% of the adds in the room getting a big ass shield...(for killing those adds you let that happen tankS!!!!!) WTF like is it impossible 2 NOT pull the fucking pat running around and strategically kill all the adds so that when the boss lands it gets no shield.... oh nooo IM the only one who see that>>?? oh maybe the third boss is cooler when no team used the vile in the corner to help soke fire???? tanks says " Me tank me don't know how to move boss 2 elite green Tank that was put there 2 soke Down fire!!!!! i'm like bro im a rogue i can tricks you so you don't have 2 run all the way...??? no me tank me tank fire right here me no move!!! brooo fire needs more people 2 soke we died... (just so you know u all dont do these things I listed... so I think your team is badish.)
In Blizzard's defense, there's actually some decent lore behind zaqali assault. The story of the raid is that wrathion and Sabellian are talking to echo of neltharion (their dad) throughout the raid.
On the way to assault, the echo is warning Sabellian that the zaqali are also assaulting the crucible and trying to take neltharion's power for themselves as well as freeing the zaqali elder that neltharion had imprisoned. Sabellian is convinced to stop the assault but then horrified when we find rashok and the treatment of him by neltharion.
Feels weird hearing them say that. Especially since they tell you this in lfr.
Also, if they free the Elder, it means that both him and the rest of Zaquali are fighting us at the same time, and we barely survive them one by one. By stopping Assault first, we have a chance to get them one by one
Idk about barely surviving assault...but yea!
Zaqalis are the real heros and life was unfair to them, change my mind.
the "this fight was good but i wish we wiped 70 more times on it" is the most .01% mythic raider opinion ever lol
Was that about Rashok? Because although that fight's generally pretty well-liked among Mythic raiders right now top-end guilds made this boss seem much, much easier than it actually is. There's like 1000 guilds all stuck on Rashok right now and many guilds that are close to killing him or who have killed him have taken 100+ pulls to do so.
Like yeah, no, that boss was only a 10-20 pull fight if your guild is cracked. It punishes mistakes like a Sepulcher boss would.
@@dreadfury2485 yea they were complaining that Rashok wasnt hard enough lmao
Our guild raids for just AOTC and thought the same thing. Wishing every fight was easy free loot is the most casual 20 parser opinion ever.
My guild only raids heroic and this tier was super disappointing at how easy it was. Felt no sense of accomplishment killing Sarkareth after fewer than 10 pulls - whereas the last time I got aotc was on Sire Denathrius and there were actual nerd screams in the chat it was awesome because the fight was actually hard. Really hoping this isn't how raiding is planning to continue.
@@jakewright1932 You cant really compare the first tier of an expansion to the second tier of a different expansion. Especially considering there were considerable tuning issues on multiple Castle Nathria fights. Not only was Abberus tuned to be easier and not require significant nerfs but we also came geared from the previous tier on top of the new upgrade system which compounded how much easier heroic was. If anything i would give to not have to repeat how awful progressing raz was in vault
How Zskarn is not swamp ass? His release version was crime against humanity with the cheese, and somehow hotfix made it worse!
This was recorded before people were cheesing him from 80% to 0% on the wall, and thus before they hotfixed the fight to make it ten times worse.
The only real criticism i have of sarkareth is that the visual clarity wasn't the best. Many of the indicators for mechanics blend into the ground a lot, the void bombs have swirlies (a design primarily used to indicate avoidance) on spawn despite not having damage associated with them, the frontal in p3 seemingly has no indicator for the area it hits, etc. Its all stuff you can get by reading the dungeon journal but it is odd considering how well they have been doing with consistent and clear visuals.
seriously, 90% of my guilds wipes were due to confusion of mechanics. we avoided relying on dbm for fun purposes but seriously everything is purple even the fucking room
i god damn hate it when mechanics are hard to see
i can't see well colors ESPECIALLY purple...
don't know why they still insist with this stupid 'hard to see' difficulty
EVERYTHING IS PURPLE!!!
Bombs pulse aoe damage around them until they’re picked up, so the swirlie kinda makes sense. Imo the bigger issue is that everything is purple, it’s hard to distinguis who has the bomb vs who has the debuff to dispell vs who has the big soak, etc.
@@Senen33 exactly
wtf why zskarn is not in swamp ass tier the boss literaly is a crime againt humanity as a tank
This was recorded before the cheese strat was used to just kill the boss from 80% and before they hotfixed the fight to "fix" it.
That abomination of a fight deserves to be in a tier below Magmorax nowadays, though.
The funny thing about zskarn is the fight literally gets bricked by geometry. The room is hexagonal with straight edges, and the traps are circular with round edges, so there's always going to be safe spots around the edges
They put mini traps that are up 24/7 in the corners now though, so there's no real safe spot anymore.
Well, using the Heine-Borel theorem, the room is both a closed and bounded subset of R^2 so the room is compact, which implies that there exists a finite sub-covering of unit disks, covering the arena. So I would be inclined to say that this is false.
Joking aside, putting a trap on the corners/edges solves this issue.
the circles can overlap, genius.
@@Hephera And Blast Wave exists...? The safe spots before "the cheese" was fixed worked because they were up against the wall, so Blast Wave always pushed you against the wall (effectively keeping you in place). This whole "hexagons and circle omegalul i'm such a smartass" thing is completely meaningless.
For anyone who didn't watch them make this list live, you can tell that this was from quite a while ago because Zskarn's in B.
I wonder where Max would put that absolute abomination of a fight now.
You can tell its very old cuz Dratnos said they are only 7/9
Well they keep saying "week 2"
this was such a great raid. loving this expansion, loving the flying, the raids are good, mythic plus hasn't been overly terrible, not much to hate here.
except PVP, because it is the worst it's ever been lol!
@@Curates223 well like max i dont pvp much so not sure about that one. but it seems like it cant be as bad as ever because there is a vendor and gear is not hard to get. maybe you are talking about class balance though.
@@electricmayhem8147 I think the issue is noone is playing 2v2 and 3v3 cause Solo Shuffle and 1600 bracket is full with Gladiator/Rank1
damn they didn’t put zskarn in swamp ass i’m blown away
Is Max ever going to finish the tier list for tanks, healers and range lol
Iirc the tank tier list was scrapped and instead he reacted to the Naowh and Dorki's tier list
No idea bout the healers one tho
For real 😂
He did the range one
I hope so! I love him to chat about that!
Zaqali assault is a funny boss because it literally dies in 45 seconds on heroic once youre geared
The amount of amusement I get from Max regularly referencing himself feeling "intellectually challenged" is worth the price of admission alone.
Zskarn cannot be higher than swampass, like in no universe is that fight higher than that.
as a former top 200 guild raider, shorter fights is the best thing they could do. heavy on mechanics is great, as long as you dont do heavy mechainics for 12 minutes. its disheartening. Also the gearing system is perfect for people who dont do splits. and top 10 raid guilds. the fact that people from top 200 havent reached the last 2 means its tuned right with the gear system.
Opinion from someone who got every CE since BFA (with exception of CN cuz early SL sucked so hard I quited the game like week 3 of raid and came back at the very end). And all of them were month-ish before the next tier (with exception of Jailer where we litteraly killed it on last 15min of last tier, day before season 4. #BestTierEver).
With who I am out of the way. Heroic is an absolute joke, and yea sure it shouldnt be hard for mid row Mythic raiders, but oneshotting everything day 1, and killing last boss with one night of progress is too easy.
Mythic tho...Mythic is interesting.
First Boss was AWESOME. A bit on a harder side, but it was fun difficulty, not vigilent Guardian overtooning to oblivion and beyond. I would put it in S tier, but I need to bump it down all the way to B tier for one Simple reason. No matter what strat you do it with the fight gets infinitely easier with half of raid dead, and its just stiupid. On last phase with everyone alive lasers go everywhere, some idiots cross them, there is no space for anything. Absolute chaos for the last 30% Burn. But once like 8 people are dead suddenly all portals go on the same people all the time...and all of them get laser after. So no matter how little space there are you just do one step and mechanic is trivialised. This is just dumb
Assoult. The add fight. Nothing good to say abaut it but aslo nothing bad. One thing that hitted us, and wasnt even noticed by better guilds the start of P2, when you have adds left over Phoenixes fly around all at once, Boss does some aoe too. Very chaotic transition, and now on farm we just nuke it like nothing, but on first kill we had to...or at least felt like we had to...CC at least some od the Phoenixes back where we play p1 so the damage don't come all at once and is survivable, so the Mythic change isn't as much as "no change" as it was for you
Amalgamation. Awesome fight, but I dont know what you are smoking saying swapping bosses is easier than swapping players. Making big ass lane of markers on the middle where everyone clears while changing sides is the easiest thing ever. Do it once and push bosses to p2. Swapping bosses tho is ridicoulously hard. We accualy have 2nd raid group who for whatever reason tried to do it that way and it was miserable.
Experoments. Absolute swamp ass boss. First one does nothing, but pushing him to 50% at correct moment huge difference beacuse if 2nd one skips first debuff he accualy skips 2 of them...not sure why the timers just lined up that way, making fight so much easier its absurd. And the last Boss is again a joke the only difficulty being the debuffs left behind by 2nd one and buggy ass shield orbs...but then he can absorb 3 of them, basicly healing for 60% and the fight is still doable if you killed 2nd one fast enough and no clown fiesta is going on with debuffs. Really stiupid Boss.
Rashock. I have VERY mixed feelings abaut this boss. The tooning on him is extreamly tight we had multiple pulls when everyone played good (aka. no deaths, no big mistakes) and still wiped on 1-6% HP. This should never happend on 5th Boss! Hell that would be bullshit on final boss. We litteraly hard to kill our holy priest on the last frontal, so he keeps healing and we can keep pumping + retri got free wings to find the last missing bits of DPS. If demo lock or Arcane mage got first orb soak we (didnt to get practice, but from killing the Boss perspective should) call a wipe right there, cuz fucking up their opener was enough damage loss for the raid to make kill impossible no matter what others did, we wont get these few milion damage back. That insane ammounts of optimization should be Reserved ONLY for final bosses...preferably ONLY at World First lvl. For my world 600-800 guild if everyone does ok DPS, and noone died I want Boss to die. Wiping to enrage after "Perfect" pulls 10 times, only beacuse we didnt find like 5k more DPS between entire raid group is the worst feeling ever. We finally killed it earlier that week, but I'm not convinced it wasnt just dumb luck and I dread farm cuz there is so little upgrades left to get the Boss wont get naturally easier with time. And I have no bloody idea how guilds worse than mine or our 2nd raid group (they are ending experiments progress) are supposed to kill it. If we, even on Perfect pulls often had slightly too little DPS, how in the world they are supposed to find missing damage when as a raid they are doing ~150k less than us? Even when playing absoloutly perfectly they will be just banging heads against unbreakable stone wall untill nerfs...Deam it just got to me it was your expierience on Rasza...so you probably can imagine the feeling. The same shit, just not for few hours but for weeks or a month, and not for 2 guilds but for hundreads of them. I blame the upgrade system. They clearly tooned it with it in mind, but ended up missing a Mark compleatly. For you it was grossely undertooned, for top 500 it was perfect. For us Rashock is slightly overtooned, but killable cuz we killed it...on enrage, with some God pull where stars alligned, but we did it. For anyone worse than us it's grossely overtooned and no matter what they do they simply can't kill it, and then stepping out of Mythic to heroic teams again it's giga undertooned. Ending Rashock rant, despite all bad I said abaut how bleeding edge tooned it was for us, and how impossible it is for anyone worse...I fucking love it. I guess it's the same thing you guys have on World First where you come up with some ridiouls things to get these few extra points of damage to kill the Boss and comming up with "ok lets kill priest it will give us the edge to keep everyone else alive to make attempt at killing this fucker, and will give ret free wings so it's slight DPS gain...and Boss enrages in 10sec anyway so there is no downside to having priest in angel form." was so awesome I want more. Legit when it died we screamed harder than when we got CE on Rasza...and it aslo felt better cuz Rasza was killed with enterint last phase with one guy dead IIRC...huh now that I think abaut it harder it's even more insane this fucker was THAT MUCH more tightly tooned for us than a God Deam last Boss from previous tier...there cr ment little to nothing, and entering last phase with dead guy was doable...here one guy fucking up Opener ment boss is unkillable. Ahh "Rashock first intermission end: 58% = good 59% bad but killable 60% = oh fuck 61% = well it's a wipe anyway but lets practice doging shit so noone will die on real attempt
With Rashock rant ended Zskarn. Havent killed it yet, and have only 1,5 raid on it but MY GOD THIS BOSS IS SWAMP ASS. Rng traps, dumb ass golem, baiting with whole raid aka. ranged friendly Boss my ass the fucking mini traps on old safespots. DELETE THIS SHIT AND MAKE INVISIBLE WALL YOU BLIZZARD MORONS! Ammount of times someone got pushbacked into this little thing makes me so mad...and it will only get worse near the end. The fact you borderlane have to 3tank it. The fact it was cheesed so hard they made it so much worse...ehhh
Well and that ends my rant cuz I havent played other bosses yet so I have nothing to say abaut them. If I remember I will update this as we kill more bosses... but I will probably forget.
Ps. if anyone made it to the end pls leave some sign, ty
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I thought magma wasn't all that bad until I was progging heroic with my guild and had a pug tell us to stack all the pools in one spot and it worked. I'm so baffled how they managed to fumble a fight this hard, why can you just ignore entire mechanics by standing together?? I get the infinite duration debuff makes it not work on mythic but a fight being completely irrelevant on 3/4 difficulties with a strat as simple as stacking on a mark is horrible design
Stack or no stack its a lame attack that no one ever dies from, not even newbies
Yeah on heroic you literally never have to move the entire fight other than getting back to the boss from the knockback. It's giga lame.
Visual clarity wasn’t great on Sark but for me it’s the best end boss I’ve ever encountered in the game. The build up and teaching of mechanics and how you’ll need everything for phase 3 is amazing. I love the length, I think it’s an action packed 7 minute screamer. I hate long fights. Sark is the best end boss of the expansion and is one of the best they’ve made I think. Absolute banger.
Also, my idea of P2 is that the blossom is to introduce stepping in something and getting stacks to go down. In P3 you have to stand in something else but it’s taught in P2 to look for that stack so I think P2 accomplishes what it needs to without a boring intermission where you don’t hit the boss.
Lol I love whoever that was that you called at the beginning I was dying 😂
I'd love a council endboss next tier with the three protodragon leaders, that would be awesome
Same here. Such a shame Raz got killed though it woulda been great all four of them
The door is locked for warlord kagni because *we* dont want *him* in there. It doesnt matter that we're also going that way,we specifically are trying to stop *him* from entering further into Aberrus,which is very,very clearly not a good thing if they succeed,as they are clear enemies of us. Just cause we want in the door doesnt mean we want him inside too
This is the best Raid ever for a casual two day ce guild. We're the type who has a bunch of dads and a few moms who Raid 6 hours a week and do 1-4 m+ a week. This level of difficulty is PERFECT.
I'm torn, I think all but rashok and nelth are either forgettable or not that fun (zskarn), but it's easy and I find myself in the raid a decent amount more than vault, maybe because it's easier and the gears more relevant than last tier
Shriekwing is the standard for what a first boss should be.
TY for doing more Dr Atnos content, hes my second favorite, so the top 2 always makes things great
My take on the 'bad' bosses this raid is that the mechanics should have been rotated so magmorax was boss 1, kazzara (with a bit more spice) boss 5, and rashok boss 7. Kazzara has enough going on that if tuned to be a challenge it'd be a perfectly good wing end boss, magmorax actually wouldn't be an awful first boss, and rashok is goated.
Instead of Kagni dieing during Assault, at like a pre-determined health point he would run up to door and actually break it open but instead of it actually being Rashok waiting being juiced out, magmorax grabs Kagni and slowly goes to the boss arena while slowly killing Kagni.
How did the Zaqali actually know where their elder actually was? Misplaced information from us on our quest chain could’ve influenced that and leads to Rashok who is fueling the Crucible IN the lava.
I mean how epic would’ve it been if when the lava lowered slightly, we saw not only the entrance to Echo/Sark but Rashok there, maddened by encased in lava for thousands of years while being drained.
Solves that boss placement and actually makes it more epic on both ends, solves the tuning too.
Petition to just rename "swamp ass" to "Stone Legion Generals" for future lists
We didn't do any swaps on Amalgamation. Just lusted on pull and full single targeted from pull #1. made the fight 100x easier
The only real issue with Rashok is it's such a tight boss to kill that a LOT of guilds who are approaching him are gonna be hard stuck on it. I wouldn't be surprised to see it get significant nerfs before the end of the tier.
absolutely the problem is normal guilds dont do splits or class stacking for their progress. We had the problem that the boss wasnt that hard to play rather the dmg and healing checks were hard. But i guess its just natural that these bosses fall relatively shortly for the best players in the world compared to normal players which is fine for me personally
are you talking about Mythic? not trying to brag but my guild has been having no trouble with Rashok on heroic
@@gufaaahhh Oh yeah mythic ofc, my guild downed him last week.
@@gufaaahhh yeah mythic this raid on heroic is a joke
@@Myspartan1000 okay just checking haha.
I always love these raid reviews
I think first boss of the raid should be evaluated as introduction or even a tutorial into the raid and raiding in general. In others words imagine you're new ore returning player who decides to try out raiding for the first time (or for the first time in a while). You enter the raid and thats the first big thing you fight. What are you impressions?
I can understand what you mean, but afaik they mainly rank these bosses on their mythic versions, and mythic bosses aren't designed for new players regardless of the position in the raid
@@hrdii678 thats fair, then it should be "for players new to Mythic" etc. Also feel like it would be worth mentioning they are considering only Mythic version since it's not mentioned in the title/description/intro but then they proceed to just focus on Mythic.
About the door thing, Maybe it is to avoid he big dude telling razhoc that they are attacked and need assistans? :/
Curious of Max's take on lady ashvane? That was a 3 tank fight for some people and I don't think it was terrible?
Pretty sure theres an eternal palace/bfa boss tier list (either of those)
Does anyone else have serious volume issues with this video? It is incredibly quiet compared to other youtube videos.
Truly BiS would be streaming the whole race
they need to ramp the crest amount over time. say 3 crests week 1 and 2, then 6 for 3 and 4, then 12 then on
I SO agree i salivate at the chance to fight Rashok every week, the fights so perfect
Love the content man keep it up
Forgotten experiments is swamp ass. Imagine doing this with no mass dispel
Raid was pretty cool. I will say tho i feel like first boss is too hard for much pugs. Not to say its a hard boss at all. But i went casual this tier and the struggle is immense when pugging
It's a recurring problem that boss tuning and design are hurt by its place in the instance. It didn't used to be this way. Difficulty curve and mechanical complexity was all over the place in Cata and MoP, but that wasn't a bad thing. You could also skip bosses on the hardest difficulty.
I'm way more casual than you so I can't really speak about mythic, but heroic Magmo is the worst boss they've ever put into modern WoW. Heroic Magmo is easier than normal Kazzara absolutely brain dead fight.
Non-Mythic Magmorax is the second-worst fight they've ever put into modern WoW.
Mythic Zskarn is the worst fight they've ever put into WoW, period. Even boring-ass Classic/TBC training dummies are at least well-designed with the logic of that time in mind; Zskarn's just a clusterfuck of spell queuing, non-negligible amounts of RNG, and mechanical vomit.
F tier is Forgotten Experiments for me and nothing else can rightfully enter within a two-tier vicinity of that garbage fire.
for real, that fight as a melee is straight up one of the most miserable progs i have ever had. 35 pulls of running around barely touching the bosses and straight up coping while the ranged are having a field day xd
I think the thing with Assault of the Zaqali is that the door has defense mechanisms that will kill the hell out of you if the Djaradin are allowed to attack it, and also do you wanna do Rashok with a buttload of adds?
theyre trying to free rashok. we dont want rashok to be free. so we kill the people trying to free him and then also kill him. its not complicated.
need SL s4 gear vendor back.
i dont want to raid the whole patch to find the gear i need for M+
I just want to say I use Alvermedia and have the same problem as you with dual pc. Anytime Spotify opens I get the copy right screen
Taloc was a cool first boss in my opinion easy but still had some nice elements to it.
magmorax was nonexistent in raid on normal and hc, like only change on hc is that you need to soak with multiple people, and the stacks will fall down anyway, like.. there was no enjoyment when we killed him on hc, nothing - it was the same fight
im overall enjoying this current raid, im at 8/9 HC with last boss down to about halfway through p2 its chaotic good and i love it :P
This is a super dumb question, but what does DDDD stand for?
did a 100 - 0 on zskarn before the rework, legit only spawned 4 set of bombs which were bops/divine shield and then it was piss easy, bdk just ran out with all the externals and portaled back/got gripped back :D they legit fixed it 1hr after the kill we had
I miss Castle Nathria. Might be too early to call it but I feel like Shadowlands had way better overall raid and boss design than DF, CN especially. Ironically enough I feel as though the bosses, mechanics and overall raid design was a lot more inspired in SL overall than it is in this tier. Vault was pretty kino though, especially Kurog and Brood
untested final boss ending up S tier. GG blizz
fr how'd you fix discord audio bc i can't hear teammates for shit everything/everyone is up 200% the ONLY audio issues i have is discord
Zskarn deserves to be ranked as the worst boss ever made, period. Blizzard allowed 300 Guilds to kill it in 10 pulls and then fixed it, turning it into a 100 pull fight, when what they should have done was do delete the boss entirely. It's too late to fix a boss after 300 Guilds kill it. Absolute disgrace.
There is one exception to "rng wiping feels like shit" (or "bugs are bad", if you wish) and it is discoball Shard of Halkias.
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Magmorax feels like it should've been the first boss instead of Kazzara. For the 7th boss in a raid and what is designed to be a dps check, it feels pathetic.
You can rename Swamp-Ass to "ZSkarn's Fellows".
Personally over the last few years I feel like so many raids have mechanics that feel bullshit and not like something you out play but you just pray you get past making reclears never feel fun and always feel like a chore. Also really dislike fights like Dathea where it is night and day difference in being something like 2 DK to massive grip plateforms vs being in a raid with zero DKs. Was way more of a problem in shadowlands then this expansion but I think this isn't a problem for top guilds is only designed to ruin the experience for everyone else that can field unlimited raid comp options.
This raid doesn't feel like that at all outside of forgotten experiments which is only lame on mythic.
I do think heroic gear going bascially to the level of mythic gear is good, it means that mythic raid can be tuned better, ive always felt that mythic shouldnt drop actual gear and should be more of a challenge for unique items etc.
Zskarn should be downgraded to "why does this exist" because of how bad the RNG is on that fight after the "fix" along with the dev who designed it, using the cheese, then a day or two later, removing the cheese strat from the game.
Man the best thing is that there timestamp
No lie…. I’ve killed mythic assault 4 times I have NEVER noticed the knock back. I’m not sure if that’s a bad thing on my part or blizzards part.
Wait is this an old video?
why you got a hockey bag in the backgroud you play?
They should add a boss fight where 2 DPS can click a pedestal and be transformed into a tank for the encounter. 4 bosses that need to be separately tanked and swapped etc (4 horseman). Not sure why theyve never done this.
why not MC mobs that tank the boss, with bone shield and other stuff
It'd be easier to have a dps go tank spec. I love your creativity tho.
New council boss
Of all bosses first to reach each increment of 5%hp adds a mechanic for the other 2 but theres only like important mechanics at 80,60,40,20 % that are a lil different from eachither, some are easy for melee some are easy for ranged some are just hps check some are dps checks
Boogie down!
Sounds a little like the Council fight in CN
This raid had a huge issue with visual clarity, and ground clutter imo. Maybe it's just because I'm too melee brained. But fuck, there's like 3 different swirls on each fight, all doing different shit. It's just a visual mess.
Rashok, Echo of Nel, and Sark are S tier fights for me. So fun.
agree on rashok and echo but sark not a lot i have only fought him 2 times because we won the second round and beating ehco of neltharion took quite a LOT of tries with diferent groups because ppl quits after losing 3 rounds. but the point is that i didnt even understood what tf was happening on sark fight xd i didnt even understood what killed me after the portal and star collecting
@@lordyasha5944 And i mean this with no disrespect, but don't you thkn that is down to your preperation and not really fault of boss development?
The council fight right before Illidan in BT
Heroic gear should have capped at 431 (6/6) instead of 437 (8/8)
Here’s my rating, from my normal/lfr stand point about to enter heroic for the first time
9. Magmorax - I was so hyped when I saw the model, and goddamn this disappointed
8. Assault Of the Zaqali - It’s an add fight. But it’s at least unique with the rocks. Marginally better than magmorax
7. Forgotten Experiments - imo this might be one of the easiest fights blizzard has ever released. It’s super boring with nothing to do it feels.
6. Kazzara - It’s a great first boss, but first bosses rarely are better than the majority of the others in the raid.
5 - Amalgamation Chamber - Such a good earlier fight that had great visuals and was extremely unique. It’s cool how it’s two different entities combined into one at the end
4. Zskarn - This fight is chaotic but fun. Has flaws but I think is super fun. Chaotic fights like primal council I’ve always enjoyed and this continued that trend.
3. Sarkareth - Lore wise a weird final boss, but the fight is really cool. Also, I like purple, and I like void, so visually this fight really stood out to me. It’s a great end boss but it doesn’t match up to some other ones we’ve had.
2. Rashok - Super enjoyable and really tense. You said it better than I could but this is near perfection.
1. Echo of Neltharion - this is one of the most unique fights they’ve ever released. I found it fun and tense and everything a raid boss should be. This is perfection for me.
Now it’s time after I get my KSM for heroic! I would love to know tips from anybody about it!
Magmorax below Zskarn? What in the actual?
Zskarn is now a swamp ass boss, horrible in every way.
why you gotta talk sh*t about Magmorax, that's my free loot got dammit
I really enjoy the shorter fights. I love the gearing system, but id like to be able to trade crests to alts and trade crests up a tier all at a reduced value ofcourse.
I can tell you that without a doubt, I’d rather be able to get the gear I need quickly and the. Just refine fight mechanics and clear a raid in 3-6 weeks rather than slower progression clearing in 8-12 weeks or more.
Rashok fire phase absolutely obliterates my gpu, so would be much more enjoyable for me if it didn't do that
Hello Mr @maximum My name is reece and I was wondering if you were recruiting at all I'm a casual player that would really like to go hard ! I can ussaly learn things really fast or do whatever is needed to win and gear ! Sorry to bother you as well I was just wondering haha have a great day
as someone who was the phoenix bitch on sun king, fuck that mech and im glad the new phoenixes are nerfed
Long time player, but i peak at heroic. Really dislike the idea to play at certain times. So my take: Raid is overall good, but sarkareth is terrible last boss. I just cannot explain how boring is, but the boss is boring. Platform is boring. Purple on purple is awful design. Also for a last boss to be good, for me it has to be some famous wow dude or like big and strong dragon etc. Who the hell is Sarkareth and why it matters? Some random dracthyr. We expected Fyrakk or something like that. Even the cinematic after the boss is done like in 10 minutes break.
How you gonna call him Mr Atnos and not Dr Atnos??
Really enjoyed the tier but being able to one shot assault with 19 easily was kinda sad, boss was way too easy
post-"nerf" zskarn is absolute swamp ass
Totally unrelated but bbg big maxie when we gonna get some more UCRL pls and ty love you no pressure
Max & Friends 1st person M+ video when 😶?
where did dr. atnos go during zskarn talk? this guy's mic went to fucking neptune i could not hear him 1000 leagues away from the volume balance lmfao
I think next raid should be 1 heal 2 tanks and 17 dps
Serious question, why is Dratanos the absolute be all and end all of anything about mythic plus and raiding in this game?
Just killed Zskar, worst boss i have every played in my life and on and off i play since tbc. maybe for very vey good guildes is different but for a normal CE guild i think that boss is a nightmare, hard for the wrong reasons and just stupid overall. Worst boss ever.
Sarkareth was kinda lame as a final boss. I liked the fight but the actual NPC model of the boss seems extremely underwhelming. The guy wakes up in a Cavern and we kill him.
Best fight is Echo from tank pov
I love THD so much xD
This might just be the worst raid I remember doing.
i feel like Kazzara belongs in DDDD ... that fight is so fun
its just a less cheater raszegeth tho
As usual meleebrains ranking rashok top tier. Can't believe how annoying raids became for casters.
Dratnos hates molten hearts mechanic would love to hear how this changes his view on echo of nelth
Assault is Swamp Ass SIMPLY because of Normal/heroic, you can kill it in 20-30 seconds... like as a boss it's a strict failure
Dratnos: "YeEEEAaaHH SooooW, I agree".
First boss is the best boss because it immediately tells me how stupid 99% of every team I ever play with is. the tanks just pull half the room and let the other half of the room live.... the boss lands kills 50% of the adds in the room getting a big ass shield...(for killing those adds you let that happen tankS!!!!!) WTF like is it impossible 2 NOT pull the fucking pat running around and strategically kill all the adds so that when the boss lands it gets no shield.... oh nooo IM the only one who see that>>?? oh maybe the third boss is cooler when no team used the vile in the corner to help soke fire???? tanks says " Me tank me don't know how to move boss 2 elite green Tank that was put there 2 soke Down fire!!!!! i'm like bro im a rogue i can tricks you so you don't have 2 run all the way...??? no me tank me tank fire right here me no move!!! brooo fire needs more people 2 soke we died... (just so you know u all dont do these things I listed... so I think your team is badish.)