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I Sold My 13900K for a 7800X3D - 1 Year Later
Over a year ago I sold my Intel Core i9 13900K and platform to switch over to the AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D and AM5 platform, but why did I do it, and was it worth it, or was it a waste of money... Let's talk about it.
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I Sold My 13900K for a 7800X3D - 1 Year Later
Over a year ago I sold my Intel Core i9 13900K and platform to switch over to the AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D and AM5 platform, but why did I do it, and was it worth it, or was it a waste of money... Let's talk about it.
Sorry but 13th 14th gen Intel are having a very high failure rate with some system builders reporting 100% failure on multiple batch orders...best stay away from intel until this gets resolved.
Yeah bullshit
@@geesehoward7261 Just watch gamers nexus, they are investigating the matter...but i guess you know more than they do...I mean they only have 100s of thousands of dollars of equipment, access to hi tech labs and expert consultants....the faults are with the 700 and 900 chips...but like I said YOU KNOW MORE THAN THEY DO and the numerous sytem builders who have sent their broken chips back to Intel.
It's not BS, it's just a little off. It's not system builders but Businesses using the cpu's for Servers. The've tested and it's almost a 100% fail rate. It's due to the power consumption and not being able to cool it down. At least that's what people are guessing for now. But right now Intel 13h and 14th gen are in the fire right now @@geesehoward7261
@@aarongarcia2911 due the power consumption even though they are using workstation and downclocked memory and lower clocks?
It's just their i9 chips
Those with 5800x3d and 7800x3d just made proper future proof purchase, very good. And now lots of AM4 motherboards perhaps someone with a 3600x can just upgrade to a somewhat cheap 5700x3d if supported. It's brilliant.
Wow the robbaz himself commenting haha. Good take too! I was a big fan a long time ago like 7-8 years ago when you were doing kerbal space program vids. hope you been welll.
holy shit robaz lol
Exactly what I did. My 6 year old system still chugging along!
I built a PC with a 7600X because of a tight budget, and it's serving me well for now. Ran a bit hot out of the box but after undervolting and using PBO to still get boost clock speeds, it's much better. Planning to upgrade when 9000 series X3D cpus come out
@@wohnie39Is it an older stock cooler or something more decent? If the former, your case has the space, and you're willing to spend a bit more, then a cooler like the Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE (any 2 fans version) at around $36 USD will handle the 7600X and most likely a 9800X3D quite well (assuming it'll be efficient like the 7800x3d or even 5800x3d). If you already have a decent cooler perhaps the thermal paste application or mounting of the cooler isn't quite right. If you have spare thermal paste you could try removing the cooler, cleaning off and reapplying a decent amount of paste, and finally make sure to mount the cooler evenly (criss-cross pattern and little by little). Best of luck!
7800x3d all day long
For sure, especially since some 13th and 14th gen CPUs can outright fail...
@@AdrenoFTWyep im not fanboing on any company but i rather not taking any risk of getting intel 13/14 the gen tbh their 13/14th gen are not that cheaper than amd last time i tried to see what i can put in budget and both were impossible anyways prices are way too high from both companies in summary but i would go with amd since its the better choice as of now.
@@gamingcomputers7485 same, as someone who owns an Intel CPU, my next processor upgrade is going to be AMD unless Intel fixes their issues and makes better products.
I upgraded to a 5800X3D because I noticed that my 3700 X from 2019 was the same power as a Intel Skylake 6700 k from 2015 am4 users got screwed early on for power we did however get an upgrade path to the CPU I mentioned 5800 above but dang expensive I sure didn't buy the thing at lunch I'm glad it exists though
@@AdrenoFTW : Most are failing let him switch back and then brag
Turns out all the 13/14900k Intel chips are failing, you may have dodged a bullet.
Definitely not all of them
It's not all of them, but it is a widespread issue.
the phrasing was that all the crashes come from intel, not that all intel keeps crashing
@@AdrenResi No, ALL 13th and 14th gen were crashing. Some more than others, but it was all.
@@gildfps If it's a corrosion issue between the via/track layers which is now looking likely. Then yes, everything will be effected. Failure rates will then depend on useage and how much corrosion is within the chip. Hence why businesses are seeing the brunt of it, as they're running 24/7.
The % of 14th gen isn't that far behind 13th, and yet 13th has a year ahead, So it's not looking good for 14th gen at the moment.
Now that we are finding out the 13th and 14th gen are dieing , I'm sure you are glad.
What is dieing? 😂
Smartest AMD fanboy
Perfect time to buy a discounted 14900k if you ask me. I love my 7800x3D but I prefer an Intel for stuff outside gaming. No degradation issue if I simply just sync all cores and prevent single core boost that pumps 1.5v on those P cores.
@@PEANUTBONE lmfao! They way he spelled it 😂😂💀💀
@@khensationalReviews i'm an intel fan, but i also like amd. Funnily enough, my r7 5700x/3060 ti build is running more smoothly (only when it comes too gaming), than my i5-13600k z790 proart. still trying to figure out why. Im hoping 15th gen releases without any controversies because I am planning a new build for a living room "console" pc, and would like to use 15th gen.
My nephew was an Intel fanboy, I built his AM5 system and he changed his mind instantly and he wished changed before..
I am using AMD since the second generation of ryzen . my father was always like "i will never use an amd cpu , intel is much better because its more stable and they use em in all the servers . they are reliable ! he doesnt realy follow tech news so he was very surprised when i showed him that the new intel chips are failing left and right in servers. he has a 11700k so he isnt affected. but i convinced him that we will pick the parts for his next pc together. (wether it will be intel or not will be decided by what intel will do about these problems. for now he doesnt need a new one. he just plays Path of Exile and Diabolo 4
you converted him to the dark side haha
He never had a fx8350 lol Amd is good now but i remember when it couldn’t hold a candle to intel
Loved all of my AMD cpu's, all the way back to the first 1ghz AMD..
Very weird experience. I have built now 5 PCs with 7800x3D and not one has had any of the issues you mention.
- No problems with ram kits
- No long boot times
- All worked great with all core undervolting in PBO curve optimizer negative 30. They all got to or beyond the advertised clock speed.
ram training depends on board/bios/when they did this last. Takes me about 60s with 64gb ddr6000 at cl30 EXPO after CMOS reset/bios update/etc. For normal startup from cold, if it does ram training it's usually 10-20s max. I don't get performance regression when using sleep either on an x670e steel legend.
I also have built a few PCs with various x3d chips. I've never ran into these issues and the experience has been just as smooth as the Intel one. I'm wondering if we are both lucky or maybe this guy is extremely unlucky, lmao.
Curve optimizer doesn't apply to x3d chips, everyone can hit minus 30
I own a 7800X3D and I experience long boot time, about 50-60 seconds.
It's normal if u overclock ur RAM, U just need to enable memory restore
It reduces it to 22-25 secs
you lie. There you go Again with the fake BS. I literally have a 14900ks running stable at 6.1 GHZ with temps never running over (29 idle and under 60 playong games). Why would I believe your propaganda? Also, my computer not only runs games faster, it runs everything 80% faster. Go to the benchmark sites (3dMark and Cinebench), you will see intel, not AMD. These are real stress tests and benchmarks not based on fake news propaganda on RUclips. All and all, get a good motherboard for intel. Get good, Ram (6600 to 8000 ghz) and stop listening to people with crap motherboards and low ram speeds. My 14900ks supports upto 8000 ghz and runs at 6.2 GHZ. Why would I down grade??? Your AMD can't compare. AMD resorts to lies or comparing intel on crappy motherboards with downgraded ram and underclocked CPUs. Stop the BS. Go to 3DMark, that tells the story. No way of spinning the facts I dropped on you. You live in an echo chamber of AMD fan boys. I am waking you up and telling you, you are doing thing 80% slower but going with AMD. The 3d game runs on just below par. But what about everything else leading up to it? Also, the 3dMark Benchmarks prove you are not getting anything special gaming with AMD 7800 3D.
Intel has somehow turned into Bulldozer FX series, but also somehow way worse.
true seems that, and my own amd builds too, all have no problem, sure they all arent highends but still
vulnerability issues are worrying enough, mainly for work pcs, now unstable and bsod like wut, you cant work w pc that can crash randomly
Nope we are back to P4 prescott( worst processor i've ever used)
thats when i truly became an AMD fan.. after I stuck with them thru that, there was no going back, and they haven't disappointed.
Which motherboards are you using? I tested gigabyte, asrock and msi, msi killed one of my ssd, a common error, but besides that, I was able to activate a negative 30-35 on all my cpus 7700x x2, 7900x and 7800x3d
Made the switch to AM5 and got a 7950X3D to replace my failing 14900k. Much better experience. Faster gaming performance and barely a drop in multithreading performance. I believe I was having latency issues as well, numerous tasks on my PC are noticeably faster. The best part is the power draw, games draw 40-60w vs 120-180w on intel.
Man, I have had two 13900Ks degrade and one of the two completely die. I went to a 12900KS so I didn't have to change the board and I found one really cheap. Can't wait for Zen 6 in 2026.
never have any start issues, I can honestly say my 7800x3d and am5 experience has been flawless
I did initially, but bios updates have gotten it back to normal. It was an annoying issue where the memory was being trained every boot especially if you have a ram profile on. personally on an msi b650-s
Having tried b650, x670, x670e. I only saw the crazy bootup times on the xE boards.
you lie. There you go Again with the fake BS. I literally have a 14900ks running stable at 6.1 GHZ with temps never running over (29 idle and under 60 playong games). Why would I believe your propaganda? Also, my computer not only runs games faster, it runs everything 80% faster. Go to the benchmark sites (3dMark and Cinebench), you will see intel, not AMD. These are real stress tests and benchmarks not based on fake news propaganda on RUclips. All and all, get a good motherboard for intel. Get good, Ram (6600 to 8000 ghz) and stop listening to people with crap motherboards and low ram speeds. My 14900ks supports upto 8000 ghz and runs at 6.2 GHZ. Why would I down grade??? Your AMD can't compare. AMD resorts to lies or comparing intel on crappy motherboards with downgraded ram and underclocked CPUs. Stop the BS. Go to 3DMark, that tells the story. No way of spinning the facts I dropped on you. You live in an echo chamber of AMD fan boys. I am waking you up and telling you, you are doing thing 80% slower but going with AMD. The 3d game runs on just below par. But what about everything else leading up to it? Also, the 3dMark Benchmarks prove you are not getting anything special gaming with AMD 7800 3D.
Same, had one a year and no issues with boot ups or ram. Going through that many seems like he bought all the rma ones lol
Yeah I started with the 7800 x3d, I was able to get 64 gigabytes to work at 6000 really easily. Maybe I was kind of lucky, make sure to buy AMD compatible branded ram, and my mag Tomahawk works just fine
I had to RMA my 13900k and sold it when the new came and got a 7950x3d and finished building it last night and i got 6400mhz at 28-35-35-54 at 1.35v easily to be fair I haven't really stressed it yet but I did play a few games real quick before I had to lay down for work and I didn't have any problems when I get home from work tonight I plan on putting it through its paces
64gb 6400 mts on my x670e mobos no issues here paired with my 7800x3d
@@danielabbott9312 hope you're enjoying the new processor 🤘
@lesserlogic9977 loving it! It has been working perfectly, getting on average 15% more performance than my 13900k across the entire board even in productivity, with curve Optimizer set to -25 I'm hitting 37,000 in cinebench which is what my 13900k was doing with intels recommended settings
I'm still on AM4 and decided to upgrate to a 5700 X3D from an 3600. What a difference!
oh man what a great choice!
not bad but should've went for 8 cores in 2024
@@mikeramos91
5700X3D has 8 cores.
@@PwntifexMaximus oh my bad. These in between cpus get me confused sometimes lol
@@mikeramos91 absolutely agree
The crackling sound in the audio is due to the FCLK giving errors, perhaps because you have too much voltage on the CPU SoC or because you have too much OC to FCLK. You don't need more than 1.2 volts on the SOC to have 6000 in memory. My 7800x3d keeps 6000 in memory with 1.15 easily
And check your FCLK for stability. If it's set to auto, some mobos can mess it up and give problems. Set it manually if it's happening.
Under volt is the new overclock. I have had awesome results on AMD with -5 or so offset.
I'll be upgrading my 13700k to the new 9000 series . Looking forward to going back to AMD.
Thanks for the report. Glad to hear that you've not had major problems. I'm using Ryzen 7950x paired with a 64GB DDR5-5600 Kingston Fury Beast memory kit. No problems with the RAM whatsoever. It worked first time with the built in XMP profile. I even overclocked the RAM to 6400 C30 and it works just fine, giving me a nice boost and reduced latency. I'm pretty happy with the performance. I was deciding between the 13900k and the 7950x when building this PC more than a year ago. Looks like I dodged a bullet here!
i just moved from a 14900k to a 7800x3d this weekend. crazy at the same gaming temps of 65c theres no heat from the aio...! guess all those watts was a "its fine" moment. Crazy how the 1% lows went up. I ended never using all those extra cores or and production work and only gaming. I got an amazin x670 carbon board to last me for future cpu updates. Working out so far!
Bro dodget a bullet
Explanation:because of the issue going on with the 13 and 14 gen cpus
Smart move.
One tip: you cannot just enable "Memory Context Restore", you also need to enable "Power down enable" Those two goes together!
better question why did you buy intel in the first place?
About X3d instability, the 5000X3D and 7000X3D series processors are generally not able to overclock/use the curve optimizer due to things such as the thermal limits of the Vcache, as it is currently installed. So yeah, there's not really headroom, nor is there designed to be. It sounds like this could be changed by the time the 9000X3D series is out, owing to changes in how they design and manufacture the Vcache to give it better thermal tolerances. Time will tell on that.
I've been using curve optimizer -30 on all cores with a 5800x3d for a couple of years now. It doesn't make it any faster but it runs cooler and never goes over 80c.
@@pf100andahalf Hmm, yeah fair enough. That's about what I might expect out of it. I mean, either way, the x3d chips are very efficient, and I do admire them in that. I have a 7950x (non 3d) myself, and I generally run it at the "105w" eco mode. Just in general, I appreciate the lower thermal output and power consumption vs current intel offerings anyway.
Using 7800x3d with PBO -34 on all cores, rock solid stable! Had another one wich working stable on PBO -30.
-35 for me zero issues as well.
So has the 13600k got this stability degradation problem also?
I was under the impression it was just the 13900k-14900k with 2 cores asking for too much voltage.
no, i only hear i9 and in rare cases, i7
@@asutora.5363there are reports of 13600k/kf and 14600k/kf having stability problems, but far fewer cases than i9.
@@asutora.5363 it affect all intel 13th and 14th CPU lineup, but the top model degrade faster and get it worst
@@aruvanadj2362 that sounds like really bad news to me, hope the i5 and i3 models have enough lifespan
my 7800x3d and gigabyte b650 takes about 18 second to boot into windows. Is that pretty good?
The issue with i9 13th and 14th gen is the high voltage call in the VID table for the 2 preferred cores. P cores, E cores and ring share the same rail, so when those two cores call for ridiculously high voltage, everything on the rail gets exposed, which over time causes degradation. How long it takes depends on many factors, including silicon quality. If you have a 13th or 14th gen i9, and have not suffered stability issues yet, set BIOS to enforce Intel limits, set long and short PL to 238 watts, set amps to 307, and lock all cores to 5.7 (14th) or 5.6 (13th), and you should be good to go.
Only person to comment on this video with an iq above 80. Thank you for doing research before commenting unlike 99% of people on the internet.
You are a lifesaver. Thank you, I just updated my bios with these settings since I've gotten no instability yet in my 14900k.
Also: disable anything thermal velocity boost related in your bios
thats boost issue, and some cores arent/ being sold untested, which should be rma'd imo
Doesn't address the low power T series CPUs and i5s failing. It is likely a manufacturing defect and all power limits do is slow down degradatin
@@sneedsneed460 While I do not have an i5, I have not seen any widespread issues with failing 13th and 14th gen i5s.
Do you have a Gigabyte A670E Master Board by chance??? I'm having same issue. Very long boot, and issues booting. I have also had usb drop outs and network driver drop outs. Shutting down pc-not restart-solves issue. Very weird. Looking at RMA motherboard.
I love my 7800X3D! Why go with failing 13th or 14th gen?
I have multiple friends who had this kind of problem, i fixed it for all of them super easy by just upping the VDDIO ( mem controller ) a little bit..
Some friends even had AMD expo not working straight out of the box with a 32gb 6000 kit.. Putting just a little bit more on the vddio fixed it all.
They are stable for months on end now.
I got the 7800x3d it is just straight up good, no ifs or buts, it's just that good.
I did not hear you mention what motherboard you were using on your 7800x3d. I am using an Asrock X670e Taichi with no issues. I too switched from intel 12900k to 13900k then to AM5 (7800x3d)
One tech channel said it's suspected that the Intel issue is a flaw in a coating that prevents oxidation
then its intel production issue, not motherboards/bios
Do you edit on 7800x3d? Sounds like you and i have not heard positive things on doing so
For editing 7950x or 7950x3d. 7800 feels slower than counterparts but for hobbyist it won't matter, if you are more than that and value your time take a look at higher tier level cpus
I did have issues with AM5 when I first got the 7800X3D until I found out the proper settings to enable a stable PBO and memory settings. Pairing it with the 7900 XTX made gaming heavenly, system runs so well, I'm hesitant to upgrade to the X870 motherboards unless they really come with features X670E lacks or does a hell of a lot better performance wise. I was a little disappointed in X670 and B650 since the boards offered less than the Intel variants while coming with a heftier price tag. I would have sold a kidney to get a Gundam or Evangelion themed AM5 motherboard (I did manage to get my hands on the Starfield themed 7900 XTX though it did cost me a pretty penny).
What, exactly, is your definition of "I run stock."?
Change ONLY XMP or equivalent, after default settings? or what?
Author also sold his 4090 for a 7900XTX.
I've been having serious instability issues with my 13700k for the past few months, and i only bought it last year. On top of that, the new 0x129 update causes my pc to hit 100c within 5 minutes of playing anything. I'm switching to the 7800x3d this weekend since Intel has completely lost any faith i had in them. I'm glad their stock dropped down to 20 a share. They deserve it.
For my 7800x3d I had to go with per core optimizing. The lowest neg i could go was -30 on a couple of the cores, but on a couple other cores i had to go with -15 while the rest were somewhere between (testing stability was a nightmare). It's all certainly a silicon lottery. When you're a brute force overclocker it feels disappointing trying to squeeze more performance out of this chip, but at the end of the day it is still cutting edge... OC the fabric and ram timings!
I have two systems, both 7800x3d, both 6000 32g 2x16gb sticks. Both run pbo and negative 20 curve optimiser settings. They were a bit glitchy for the first year, but bios updates, chipset updates and Win 11 updates have made the last 6months go without a fault or crash etc
I have an 7800x3d and soo happy! The gaming performance is unreal coming from a 5600x, almost doubled in some cases, and I can run it with PBO -30 all cores boosting to 5.2 :D
Got the 11600k paired with a 3060, z490 tomahawk, and 32ddr4 3200mhz ram. Thinking of upgrading and I am considering the 7800x3d with either a 4080 super or the 7900xtx white taichi. Will the 7800x3d suffice for warzone, teams calls, Office, and recording teams calls with OBS? That’s mainly all I do. Currently have a 1080 240 monitor but would like to eventually switch to a 1440 or 4k 32 oled.
7800X3D will have more than enough power for your needs.
@@whatsoperadoc7050 thanks, that’s reassuring. Have a great day!
For that stuff you do it's easy game. 7800x3d is a little bit slower in workloads than 7700x. For 99 percent of people it's more than capable for that stuff, than it needs to be.
@@dmitrijssmeiss2737, awesome, thanks for the feedback!
@@whatsoperadoc7050, great, thank you for the information.
I’ve had no issues with my 13900k for the last 16 months but I’m managing my expectations now.
Good for you hopefully it will stay that way i hope they'll fix it soon.
I have 13900K too more than a year with ZERO issues. Don't know why.
@@Cipotalponly some chips have the issue, it depends
I also have a friend that has a 13900k he said he has no issues with it yet he's had it for about 12 months. But I can imagine it'd be frustrating for those who have I'm not on team red or team Blue I'm on the customer side I have both Intel and AMD CPUs running in my computers we can't just let one CPU manufacturer run the market because at that point the consumer loses prices go up because of no competition best of luck to Intel hopefully they can clean up this mess and keep this from happening from future CPUs
I too have been using a 13900k for over a year now & I've had no issues.
Drag & dropping files is almost instantaneous with smaller files. Still damn fast with larger files too!
I monitor both my CPU & GPU in game and I have yet to be disappointed.
Now, let's just hope it lasts...considering the latest news with these chips. :/
Very nice review. I haven't used an Intel chip for any of my personal builds - so I can't say how they would of been for me - but I'm very happy with my current all AMD build. I have very nice boot times - especially considering I have 192gb of ram ; the ram kit = CORSAIR Vengeance RGB 192GB (4 x 48GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 5200 (PC5 41600) at the time I didn't realize there was a non-rgb version - My MB is the Asus ProArt X670-E Creator Wifi - Cpu is the Ryzen 9 7950X3D - I use an AIO cooler for the cpu cooling needs. I have 2 PCIE gen 5 x 4 nvme m.2's both are the same models both are 2-tb ; 1 is my main and the other is a back-up. I also have the 2 PCIE Gen 4 x 4 nvme m.2 drives 2tb each that were my previous set. Both are now extra back-ups My Gpu is the MSI Radeon RX 7900XTX Gaming Trio Classic - Psu = Seasonic Prime TX-1600W 80+ Titanium| ATX 3.0 & PCIe 5.0. FM. As you were saying when you let the ssytem just run at stock settings it ran the best for you : I let my system run at Stock settings and have always been very satisfied. I had upgraded my AM5 build after the initial build did one upgrade at a time after saving up for an upgrade. The MB , case and the 2 Gen 4 x 4 Nvme M.2 drives are the same from the initial build to the current configuration.
I had bought a 13900k that was listed as broken. After disabling the e-cores and undervolting, it worked perfectly fine and still to this day.
So it still remains broken?....nahhhh thnx
What’s the performance loss on it?
@@karlkilding3310 Well, no. The cpu wasn't working initially ,but after the adjustments, it worked.
@@AddoTheJester not much
@@evisluE Why have you had to adjust it?..i only ask because i have not needed to adjust anything for my 7800x3d
I'm not sure the amd processors are on the verge of instability. You may need to look at your psu or ssd.
I love my 7800X3D. Definitely worth the upgrade from the 5800X3D.
Not sure what motherboard you are using but I use Asrock boards and at least 10 of them so far, many Gigabyte boards as well and my boot times are under 20 seconds EVERY time. I have seen MSI have boot time issues. This isn’t an AMD issue, it’s a motherboard issue.
Hang in there AM5 the new AM5 CPUs are about to release and have a few % better performance than the 7800x3D without the overclocking/PBO issue. I have a 7950x and 7600 non x and have had NO issues with them. I have experienced pops and cracking in audio in the past, but since I got my Audeze Maxwell headset I never have that issue any more.
No point with overclocking and pbo tuning in my view. I tried it and didn't get any benefit besides cpu running 4 degrees cooler. Stock 7800x3d shreds through every cpu in gaming and with aio doesn't go past 70 degree mark in games. And thats cpu heavy games like battlefield or helldivers. In normal games it runs 55-65. And it's confirmed that 9000 series will be not faster in gaming than 7800x3d. Need to wait for 9x3d announcement
I would reccomend getting the habbit of putting your PC to sleep so you dont have to deal with the boot times.
Guess i got lucky. Msi b650 tomahawk, 7800x3d + 64gb ddr5 6000 cl30 + 4090 worked perfect from the start. using it for more then a year now. Perfect setup
It’s a once a week thing - only turns on pc once a week.
I have a banger of an AM4 build with rock solid stability and very competitive performance. I have been very hesitant to pay for new problems when my current experience is more than exceptional even though it may no longer top a chart.
I have upgraded to 7800X3D from 10850K, and I am really happy with it. Upgrading will be to a minimum ryzen 10000X3D chip, which I know will be supported. I am super glad I did not go Intel again since the massive crashing iasues and windows lag issues, no thanks.
I hope arrow lake is a return to form, otherwise lack of competition will mean AMD can jack up prices, we really don t want that.
An excellent buy, i`d say. Especially with Intel crapping up.
Considering what is happening on in the 13th gen, you dodged a bullet.
I can get -46 all core with curve optimizer on my 7800x3d. The zen4 cores are in no way pushed to their limit in the x3d variants. They're locked at a maximum of 5.05ghz when a normal 7700x can achieve 5.4ghz out of the box. I think you just got unlucky with the silicon lottery or there's something wrong with your setup.
Strange, I have a 78003dx and I have no problems with the Bot's speed. Almost instantaneously after activating the memory restore.... Only when I change something in the bios does it make think a little.
Ok, so i've had my 4090/7800x3D rig for a year as of next week. I started off with dual channel kit of 32gb of 6000 MT memory, which i overclocked to 6400 MT...and added a second 32gb kit a few months later. The only significant issue i had with this platform was my original motherboard choice, a MSI 670e board. I spent a full 12 hours working on it before managing to get a post, installed a fresh copy of windows and everything appeared fine. Next day, just refused to post. RMAed the board and replaced it with a Asrock steel legend 670e, and everything has been smooth sailing since. Since moving to 4x16gb memory training issues have also become almost non-existent, i think it's happened twice in the past 8 months.
I never had any luck at all overclocking much of anything on AM4, PBO handled the cpu and memory just didn't like running out of spec at all. AM5 is much more malleable (i've even played around with Fclk overclocking and managed to get the CPU to 5.4ghz with no apparent issues, though the risk isn't worth making that a daily driver)
You had released your "sold my 4090 for 7900xtx" video literal hours after i had purchased my 4090. When i first got the card, i had the same multi-display issues you complained of, though the issue resolved (for two displays anyway) once i connected the monitor marked in windows as "main display" to what the gpu considers "output 1" After getting my hyte y70 touch, adding that third display caused the issue to return, though i'm convinced that's partly due to hyte's software conflicting with windows and nvidia's own software, the solve there was to have the hyte display run off the iGPU.
As for arrow lake....i just don't understand how so many people continue to be optimistic about anything intel is doing. How many years did 14nm drag on for before intel "came back" by doubling to quadrupling power draw to eek out 2-10% performance gains SOMETIMES? Battlemage is DOA, AMD is sandbagging performance metrics of Ryzen 9000 and still beating intel by 15-20% even without x3D. Intel's new laptop chips already aren't great, arrow lake is just going to be more of the same....intel can't do efficiency and performance.
I've watched intel do endless slimy things for 30 years now, but how they've handled the failure rate of "two" generations of chips takes the cake. They should be issuing a recall, instead they're trying to weather the storm long enough to get arrow lake out the door and hope that enough people will upgrade that the problem will, if not resolve itself, at least insulate them from the worst of it.
Yeah, I have zero interest in any new Intel chips.
The new 9800X3D will have overclocking feature and it is even better than older generations.
Based on tech jesus and wizard wendel's findings, i think you did a fantastic thing
Dude Asrock b650m-hdv/m.2 (the budget motherboard that can handle 7800x3d) has 16 seconds to windows and it holds first place for fastest boot . I know its wierd but its a fact , I couldnt belive but I checked it and its 16 seconds every time :) . As far as we speak for the clocks , out of the box mine was working on 4883 I touched the negative offset to -20 it was working fine but dind ge to 5ghz , I put the negative offset -30 , never crushed and now the cpu is on 5.1 working just fine and its cold as ice , 26 degrees idle , max in games 65-66 , stress test 77-78 cooled with Liquid Freezer II 240 , case bequiet fx500 . I am really happy with my 7800x3d , may be I am just lucky I dont know .
Dodged a bullet of oxidation and excessive voltage there, buddy!
Thats literally the best buy you could have done. The 13900K's are crashing and the 7800X3D is still going to be the fastest gaming CPU for about 10 more days, where you now have a motherboard where you can put in a 9950X, or wait for a 9950X3D!
7800X3D is pretty much the only CPU worth buying atm. 7900X3D and 7950X3D have so many issues too. The new 9000 series have issues too and are overpriced. Fingers crossed the new Intel chips will be good. And hopefully the 9000X3D series will be okay.
Huh, that's interesting. I have the 7700x and the 7900 XTX. The CPU I literally cannot keep under 90 degrees without PBO. The gpu has its quirks as well with temps. They run great, but I was losing my mind initially due to the temps as it would immediately hit 90 degrees on the cpu and would slowly climb. Then I got a manual undervolt to run the cpu consistently in the mid 60's to low 70's. AMD boards have had issues in the past, learned that updating the bios can help with memory stability. Updated it, undervolt was entirely undermined. PBO became the only thing that would keep the temps from hitting 90, but that's because of the lower thermal throttle limit. Now, it does push the cpu however it does and performs better than it did with the undervolt. I just don't like the higher temps.
A caveat, my board is an Asus ROG Strix B650-A. There's always a chance that my issues have been due to Asus doing their typical sh*t to always push the chips to their limit. AMD boards have a million settings and I don't understand all of them.
That's how amd designed these chips. If there is thermal headroom it will keep boosting itself. But that's basically only in benchmarks. In normal workloads you should not see thermal throttle limits if your cooling is ok.
Had zero issues and quick RAM training with 64gb DDR6000 cl30 on a steel legend x670e. Easiest to install/build PC in my 20+ year PC Overclocking/building history. It's ridiculous, they even download drivers themselves these days lmao, I literally didn't even have to run through the 'driver CD' aka install menu.
Whoever bought your 13900k probably has a glitching bugging crashing hunk of slowly oxidising degrading silicon :
7800X3D user here. You described the good and the bad we all go through but with everything Intel is going through lately? I feel like we made the right choice.
It was good trade up, especially since there is a good chance the 13900k is dead by now, or perhaps limping with a 65watt tdp limit and no e-cores. and ddr5- 3800.
3:35 It probbaly _is_ the microcode updates. Those can be distributed through Windows too not just usb updates. And if that happens you need to retrain memory.
3:55 B550 had usb issues, dropped connection on highspeed usb devices (guess why I know lol). It may be partly fixed but not 100%.
Just last year I finally managed to build my first pc and oh boy
7800x3D
I feel like I have to stick to x3D chips now, I have been spoiled and I fear I will notice the difference
Every issue you've talked about with the exception of memory speed I've NEVER had on my 7800 x3d. My X3D's boot time has never changed in over a year & has consistently been quick. DDR5 memory compatibility was a known issue at the launch of AM5 & I quickly resolved it with a bios update. Maybe u just had bad luck?
wow, I am running an 7800x3d on a MSI Tomahawk board, 64 gb 6000speed, with an Intel A770 arc, I get almost no load time and have little to no errors
Yeah the cuckcores was the reason I didnt choose intel and took a risk and bought myself a 5800x3d
seems board companies unwilling to compromise and 'modify their tuning' this should be avioded by then, but still those are failed cpus and should be thrown to bin instead of boxed
Any info on 9000 ryzen v 7000 performance comparisons? I’m looking at making a jump to AM5 (from AM4 5950x) but want to do so intelligently
7800x3d still tops out in gaming, AMD confirmed, maybe with overclocking you will be able to beat it, but whats the point. No one know if there will be 9x3d chips and when. Till that moment it's still on top and will be relevant for at least 5 years if not longer.
@@dmitrijssmeiss2737 what you say is true now that I think about it a little longer!
Been nothing but happy with my 5800x3d
I hear mostly negative about intel CPUs now so they aren't doing great
yeah their failure rate is skyrocketing because they cant handle the wattage
bad batch, should be solved on next production, affected buyers should rma immediately
re: long boot times: how often do you reboot!? you only really typically need to reboot maybe once a month to install operating system updates. - and as far as overclocking, yeah, stock is pretty close to being ideal tuned... SOMETIMES you might get lucky and can make 1% or so improvements from some tweaking, but if you want stability, overclocking hasn't really been worthwhile for a long time.
Love your work, thanks for sharing
Good move, because now your 13900K is fried and good for the dump ^^
But I agree, 7000 series RAM management is pretty awful, boots take forever, MCR results in BSOD for me, and I had to lower my 2x32 6000 kit to 5600 to avoid instability
Memory context restore (which I believe stores/recalls memory training timings) on my 7800x3d machine causes instability inside windows 100% of the time. :( With it enabled, its almost as quick as an intel motherboard, but its useless to me as the system is not stable. (For those unfamiliar with the AM5 platform, it is the difference between taking 30 seconds to boot, and 90 seconds when turning on the machine.)
7800X3D and other X3D’s are mainly for gaming
I have absolutely no lag or latency or anything with my 14900KS nor did I have on my 13900KS. I use LatencyMon also and have basically no latency. Sometimes if you run undervolt you will experience latency and or weird issues and this is without the CPU making errors in test or stability programs. My system runs blazing fast! I disabled recently HT and run P cores at 6 Ghz... it kicks a$$
I used to use AMD stuff back in the late 90's early 2000's but once Intel stepped on the gas I stayed with Intel and never looked back. My 13900KF is rockin fine with no issues. I got the 0x129 microcode and updated my BIOS and I'm not seeing any major changes in my gaming performance. Also with Windows bottlenecking AMD performances I see no reason to switch back. I get people like AMD but with the RAM issues they have paired with Windows screwing them I'm sticking with Intel.
Months ago I went with a 5800X3D just to honor the upgrade path I could have gotten a new motherboard because my original one I tried updating the BIOS because of USB disconnect issues and bricked it thought about upgrading am5 but because the TDP was lower on the 5800X3D than the 7800X3d I stayed with am4 my case is compact so I need the least amount of heat as possible no unfortunately I still ended up underclocking the 5800x3d cuz it ran too hot out of the box
You can flash the bios off the board and recover it, $15 for the flasher.
@@GoonyMclinux I tried that and unfortunately it just didn't work it would take forever for the flasher to finish it and it was very finicky with the small clamp that would clamp onto the chip on the motherboard I tried multiple times
I love my 7800x3d so much
I think mortherboard manufacture could do better by making a better stock bios with less globel VID volt and lock the cpu cores in stock settings
Latest news is that even with server grade motherboard (no overclocking or high voltages) and using slow ram, Intel chips still degrading. Seems like manufacturing/design issue with Intel deflection attention by mentioning motherboard vendor using higher end of voltage specs as set out by Intel ...
@@stevenvalle7319 That's because even though we got standard bios, my motherboard still uses 500a on the cpu, I had to lower it myself to 307a which is standard, and I've locked L1 to 125w and L2 253w and undervolted the cpu with offset -0.080v and globel VID offset -0.080v, so it doesn't get above 1.45v, it runs more at 1.4v, so even though they have given us the baseline, the cpu still gets too much power, but you obviously have to do things yourself
Curve optimizer -27 all cores 5050mhz in games no problems. I had problems with early bios version but now its all good
My 10700k feels so snappy and fast i'm glad i didn't upgrade yet.
I went 13700k to 7800x3d. Very happy I did. I also liked my 5800x3d more than my 13700k.
Change to 7800x3d from 13700k(both are the same price here), the only thing I'll say is: Amd yes!
3:04 disable igpu in bios. thats allowed me to reduce boot time by 70%. couse on some motherboard's igpu adjusts memory for itself
It is a video about moustache ? 😂
I have it often that when I start my PC (7700X) that after windows login, it lags so uber kinda like 1 Core with 0,5 Ghz. The only fix is to restart the system. Does some1 have it too? I need a fix.
I don't think anything since i do not know anything, I just check tech power up and 7800x3d reigns supreme. Sadly just returned mine in a pre-built cuz the pump on the cpu cooler was failing just 11 days after i got it. I will never get another Cyberpower pre-built again, since they went cheap on the cheapest part. Now back to sitting on my hands for 15-20 minutes while my 8700 non-K with Rx 470 4Gb warms up. Please don't laugh since I used to have a GT-1030 2Gb . . .
Well now I am back to waiting it out for next gen to drop in price so I can get a 9800x3d and 5080, that is unless AMD prices the 9800x3d aggressively and this Christmas will be the first happy one in a loooong time. 🎄
Yeah I bet you are glad now with all the Intel failures on 13th 14th gen mid range and up.
X3d is such a game changer for gamers and also great for being extremely power efficient under load.
get the 9800X3D this winter yall
maybe if coming from a lower end AM4 chip, but if you have a 7800x3D already, the gains will be minimal or non existent lol AMD already stated 9000 series will not outdo the 7800x3D in gaming atm...
Glad i didnt upgrade to the 13700K
12700kf still running strong
I'm ok with it booting long it tests the memory just in case I am in no hurry for it to boot.
Check your BIOS version. I had the issue with memory and the last update fixed my issues. Memory Context restore didn't work with XMP enabled until the last BIOS update.