What is High Bandwidth Memory? Feat. R9 Fury X
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- AMD's Fiji GPU is the first chip in the world to include high bandwidth memory instead of GDDR5 VRAM. So... what is it? And why is it special? Who does it think it is? The PRESIDENT or something? It needs to get off its high horse. So we made this video to take it down a peg.
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Episode Credits:
Host: Linus Sebastian
Writer: Jack Sui
Editor: Barret Murdock
AMD makes and helps develop useful innovations for this industry.
The Glorious PC Gaming Master Race AMD din't make HBM, Samsung did.
Please don't be ignorant. HBM development first began at AMD then AMD partnered with Sk Hynix to develop it further.
MrHoward888 You must be confusing it with 3D Vnand chips for SSD from Samsung, which are layerd similar in a way I guess ... but are not remotely the same thing.
The Glorious PC Gaming Master Race They're terrible at turning it into products though.
***** When they released GDDR5 with the 4000 series, it was very successful. I remember the 4870 and 4850 were very powerful cards and the best cards for price/performance.
"Will my toaster ever be able to toast both side of a slice of a bread perfectly?"
Answer: NO.
muiecopyright yes, get 2 r9 290x refference, take off the plastic covering the radiator, connect them in a way that both radiators touch both sides of a toast, done!
Slay OH YEAH. :)
Slay Make sure to turn hairworks on, too.
To say it in another way: You could either eat a pizza in the traditional way (GDDR5) or you can create a Pizza cake by stacking the slices one on top of the other (HBM)
I'm hungry, don't judge me =(
***** That's the spirit!
***** Also, when the pizza is stacked you can get more toppings and you can eat it faster.
More pizza is always better, thank you for sharing this logic.
Linus. I love you.
so gay
***** I'd go gay for Linus. Can you imagine all the hardware I'd get my hands on?
Tigran Oganesyan you already are thinking like a woman.... I think I believe you...
Tigran Oganesyan Get in line
Tigran Oganesyan WTF KENSHIN
If ever I meet Linus, I am not letting him touch anything of mine unless I want to drop it.
Manthan Sit i'd let him touch it, he'd probably say sorry and compensate by getting me a much better item
k410xplozionz Aww did I broke your 5 years old laptop ? here's 2 xeon and a titan x :o
Keruji Gimme some ;)
Imagine the carnage of a HBM2 Nvidia card.
the FuryX wasn't able to beat the DDR5 980Ti, I can only imagine how fast Paskell will be.
1.They are limited to 4gb right now
2. They said they were going to
have titanX beating performance
3. AMD released benchmarks of the furyX beating a titanX, but it never happened.
Linus broke NCIX''s Fury X.
***** ?? wow bro. does he have GTX 980 ti to compare ?
***** Benchmark? Proof?
***** And we just have to believe you on your word? Right. Proof or it didn't happen. And you're saying that your friend that doesn't know a lot about hardware, just bought the newest enthousiast-grade videocard? Sure.
Sean D'Souza it's probably for the best
***** Alright, I might've been wrong there, but you abused that fact to escape from my other point. Proof?
I'll say it again, currently and until VRAM sizes increase the thing about HBM that has me the most interested is how it ends up working with memory stacking and DX12.
Yes, it is undeniable 4GB is restrictive, but if the bandwidth increase means having a 2 or 3 card crossfire system with memory stacking is going to work as expected then it will be worth it for early adopters. Having 3 way crossfire system with 12GB stacked memory would be awesome once FuryX prices drop some and devs implement stacking support on new, DX12 games.
Raydeus What games surpass 4GB VRAM usage right now? I can only think of one: GTA V
Right now it's mainly heavily modded games that go beyond 4GB consistently, but as 4K gaming becomes cheaper going over the 4GB mark will be commonplace.
dumkopf We are more worried of games needing more vram in 2-3 years.
dumkopf shadow of mordor
dumkopf Shadows of mordor does.
HBM on APU^s could be the savior of AMD, that would be somthing that neither Intel nor nvidia can do at the moment.
MrAntidodo "could" "would" PS: You're right
WeightyLemur fixed ;)
MrAntidodo AMD also has a patent on HBM so if Nvidia uses HBM II, AMD gets some moneyyyyy
The Glorious PC Gaming Master Race Nope, amd was actually late in the game with HBM. Nvidia been talking about HBM for years.
The Glorious PC Gaming Master Race Nope, amd was actually late in the game with HBM. Nvidia been talking about HBM for years.
HBM? ... Huge Bowel Movement? I dunno.
foshastajones hahahhahhahaah
foshastajones Well it is moving a huge amount of data.
+foshastajones facepalm..... lolz :D this is too funny all! lol scotland :P
HBM on toaster HYPE!!!!!
Who needs a toaster when you can use two AMD GPUs. Kappa.
Teh Haxor Actually the Titan gets ALOT hotter then any AMD card - you could literally fry eggs on the Titans V-Ram.
mariodrv SO titan vs every AMD card ...Kappa
Teh Haxor 4Head
***** Well fanboys in general are not the brightest bunch, they just say what suits them.
Teh Haxor Well because those GPUs i think CPUs won't quite do it. But since you don't want a toaster, can I please eat those pop tarts that just popped up?
4:33 xD
Not Relevent Topic. But Should I get a tuna sandwich?
ahmed khader No tuna is an endangered species and should not continued to be overfished
ahmed khader No
ahmed khader 20 years from today there will no more Tuna. The number of Tuna fish in the world will be so little that the prices will either be ridiculously high, or it will be illegal to fish them
Nah get sum of dat synthetic tuna sandwich
ahmed khader only if the bread slices are evenly toasted
So this is high bandwidth memory for the video subsystem. Ok, that's nice. Optane (name?) is high bandwidth memory for the general system. We've yet to see an example, but it's kind of cross between an SSD and system memory. They get that working, it's going to blow the PCI SSDs right outa the water...
I can already smell my perfectly even toast
1:10 - Its not a silicon wafer, its a die. A small cut of from a wafer.
4:10 - The limitation on 4GB of memory is not due to cost, but rather due to a limitation in the HBM1 standard. It only supports 1GB per stack. HBM2 will solve that and support up to 8GB per stack having a maximum amount of memory around 32GB
i remember when i was first getting into pc gaming and i saw a video describing (in theory) how hbm would work,it was just a concept than. now years later its here, its awesome to watch the tech you love progress.
The only new thing here is that the memory is in the same package as the GPU.
Vertically stacked memory chips have been the standard in supercomputing for some time, it is already mainstream in SSDs (although that memory is NAND flash and not DRAM) and it is getting more and more common _on_ DRAM sticks.
Thanks NCIX and Linus for this informative video. Have a good one guys
Ok when did Linus actually leave ncix. Cause I thought it was like 7 years ago
AMD? Efficiency? WHAT PARALLEL WORLD IS THIS!?!
Really nice video linus, helped me figure out why this new tech is important.
isnt toast not even on both sides because, well at least with our toaster, when you push the thing down both toast slots go on, and each slot has its own heater on each side so theres 2 heaters in the middle so the side facing the middle gets hotter much faster, so if there was only 3 heaters vs 4 it would be both more power efficient it would also get it toasted even on both sides
The R9 Fury X isn't the only card with HBM.
There's also the R9 Fury now, you know...
Linus, we need an update ... big Navi supposedly has HBM2e and HBM 3 is supposed to come out soon.
Excited to see this in the next gaming laptop. My (2nd gen cpu) alienware is an overheating nightmare
Daniel McKenzie Shouldn't buy from alienware their laptops are a rip off and you can build a good PC for way less.
If for some reason you need a laptop to game on you should just buy one from MSI of Gigabyte.
Can you make an episode where it shows the Teleprompter on the corner of the screen so that way we can see how good and or bad linus is at reading the script?
That Graphic Card's fart at the end of the video was hilarious
Does AMD hold the patent for HBM?
Michael Yangmi 9(german)
shakito lolo Why are they holding 9 germans? :-/
Michael Yangmi Its a JEDEC standard, so likely they cannot protect everything with IP.
Acid Panda nah, they just didn't think of it, and now that the 4k results are showing what a boost it provides they are intent on making sure they were always going to include it on their _next_ cards, for sure...
***** hell if i know XD
The 390X includes HBM memory too!
And with both Nvidia and AMD going to HBM the Fury-X can only get stronger with each driver update. Something to think about. (GTX 770 owner about ta upgrade here)
Great video Bro please do more PC builds and reviews with fury x I kind of of fallen in love with this graphic card but only I wish I could have had one....
my 980ti will be my last GDDR5 card. i can't wait til 2018 comes with Nividia's new Volta chips, they'll probably have HBM2 and AMAZING 4k performance!
Sadly we’re still not there yet.
I’d guess 4K will be mainstream in 2023 tho.
Thanks for the vid, Linus and friends!!
I'm excited to see where this technology gos
why do none of NCIX's videos ever stream smooth at 1080? every other youtube channel works fine but this one
i feel well informed, good job describing it guys.
Linus be having a tan from that blazing fast HBM2 😎
Tell me, why is there no ram sticks with hbm to put in your pc instead of ddr4 memory yet?
Wouldn't such a configuration increase the likelihood of overheating with the memory and processor packed so closely together with little surface area for cooling?
linus thaks for all computer advises
those first few questions are all very good
Seems a bit too early to tell tbh. Re-visit it in a year.
Informative, as usual.
Thanks for the more technical video!
OMG!!! it's 2020 & we still want see this architectured in a fone or pc....2024 may not even have the HBM2E...when can I just die....
Sounds interesting - when and if it ever becomes mainstream and the price drops...
think of when the consoles get HBM combined with unified memory.. by that time maybe we will be able to get 4k 60fps gaming on consoles.
When will they discard all ram slots and ONLY use pci-e slots for gpu, storage, and ram. You can already use ram slots for volatile memory, why not just go with the better technology?
Browsing these because I am bored in 2017... Watched this thing and am still wondering about the toaster toasting both sides equally toasty. Might try 2 GTX 480's or 2 Radeon's in SLI/Crossfire but skip a PCI slot between them and put your bread there.
I wonder why Linus still makes videos for ncix.
Dat animation at 4:46 doe! :P Rekt xD
since it uses less surface area and stacked over the gpu itself, what about overheating problems?
I am looking to build a new pc and I was wondering if I was to move my storage from old computer to the new one (250 gb) and move it to the new pc containing new parts, will the old storage contain window 7 and photos, etc? Will it change if I add 1 tb storage?
Is it better to have a FURY X or a GTX 980 TI to game for a longer period of time? I don't mean playing 4 hours in a row but the longevity like 2-3 years. So is the 980 ti will last fir less year than the fury x and also, will the performances will be better in next games than gddr5?
Go HBM! Looking forward to see where this is going!
Since gddr5 is ddr3 tec will there be a new gddr based on ddr4 or is it hbm only from now ?
oh come on Linus don't tell me I need to sell my 980ti to get the latest most advanced technology
zidan40o0 lol relax of course I'm
Mush Rush ill pay you 50€ for it
Resa_R_S 55€ you got ur self a deal mr :p
Mush Rush amd innovates while intel and nvidia stagnate. always been this way. learn.
***** the 980ti only performs better than the fury x at 1080p. And it STILL has not been fully unlocked in ccc to overclock so you have to wait for third party solutions to do so. In 1440p and 4k the fps are either the same or a few fps difference for either fury or 980ti. The fury was marketed as a 4k card, and in crossfire sees a 80 - 90% increase.. while nvidia sli only sees 60 - 70%.. To water cool a 980ti buying a hybrid, or doing custom you're looking at 800-900$ There's positives and negatives to both cards.
I think its too early to see the real potential of this. But i would love to see amd to improve this.
Paused at 0:53!
Was not dissapointed xD
@NCIX Tech Tips I have had two different AMD Fury owners online say that their HBM Memory Stacks I have pointed them to the Video with linus explaining that Vram does not stack can anyone confirm that this is the case and that HBM Vram does not stack or has something changed that I am unaware of.
"What is HBM?" Hybrid butt massages.
I miss this channel 😥😔😞😓
You're going to help me pick out my next computer.
1Q: What is HBM?
1A: HBM is a new kind of memory that tackles the problem of size, bandwidth, and power consumption.
2Q:How does it work?
2A: It works by attaching on to a interposer connected directly to the GPU/CPU via TSVs.
3Q: Will my toaster toast both sides of 🍞 perfectly?
3A: No. 😞
Will be interesting to see if AMD's new 15.7 Catalyst drivers will support Crossfire between a HBM and non HBM Graphics Card
SgtRomeo9 Nope
SgtRomeo9 it has to be the same chip (architecture) .. a 290x and 390x will be able to crossfire but a 390x and a fury will not. lol basically AMD is just allowing the same cards to crossfire .. lol refresh/rebrands so basically its allowing the "same" card to crossfire
I need an interposer for my slickinwafer
cant wait for hbm... im confused bout nvidias 1080 and hbm...
linus, i want that toaster... we all deserve evenly toasted toast! :) love your vids guys keep it up!
What's so confusing about the 1080? :D
It's GDDR5X memory is just buffed GDDR5, so no real tech difference.
But Volta and Vega in 2017 will almost certainly utilize HBM2.0 memory.
This time on Techquickie...
Linus is bloody awsome!
Dude linus knocks over everything!
Wow perfectly cooked toast . My life is complete.
Linus is eternal
It wouldn't be a linus video if he did end up dropping it several times
hey, can you make a videos about amd FRTC? It seems that many people confuse it with v-sync.
One of the best intros xD
why most of the comments 5 years old
maybe in close future cpu will get cache like this and will be no more need for standart ram? because we mostly need ram because cpu cache is so small
Ulvis Barkāns I doubt so, ramdisk are the fastest thing you can play/work on. We still have decades before the possible disappearance of ram. Pretty sure SSDs will dissapear before.
Being HBM faster, will PCIe 3.0 have some benefit from all this com pared to 2.0?
I need help please. I have a PC with an AMD A10 processor, 4Gb of RAM and AMD HD Graphics. I use it for 3D modeling and videogame development and I'm going on a low budget here. I am a big noob in this and I was wondering what should I buy, 4Gbs of RAM more, or a low-end graphics card (like a Geforce Gt 610). Thanks for helping.
More clips for 'Drunk Linus 2'.
I guess making a video of what is HBM after it has been vastly explained and cards with it already launched doesn´t make for good content
What are the cons besides higher price?
2:46 It Should Be Its Over 8000!! That Is The Actual Dialogue
Yesh, having my toast toasted perfectly on both sides is my biggest concern with all this new technology!
HBM = Hitman Blood Money
For the motherboard I'm going to use in my build, there is only one color for all the ram slots. How will I install two ram cards into this mobo?
Paradox Doge Look in the manual
Why does the HBM have a lower clock speed?
I like how everyone bitches about AMD gpu's having such high temps and power usage. Who gives a shit if they run hot as long as they preform well it doesn't matter and the extra power use is almost nothing on your power bill.
pcgaming today I love that argument, temps I can understand as a point but oh no, you are paying £3 extra for power over a 5 year period, how will you ever afford that after buying your £520 (or whatever your preferred currency is) graphics card.
***** And they don't even run that hot anymore because of custom coolers.
pcgaming today Especialy since The Fury-X is water cooled along with future flagships.
dukethedj Their temps argument is no longer valid.
pcgaming today Exactly
I think you don't need HBM,because graphics card like gtx 980ti with 6gb DDR5 = 4gb of HBM,so u don't need to get AMD especially for HBM if u gaming and all of u know that AMD is not good with drivers and people who think it will be fixed with windows 10 - you wrong! Fury x struggle from day 1 and drivers does a minimum performance boost and it means AMD fails again by releasing card with HBM ''titan x destroyer''. Please don't judge that i'm not an AMD fanboy. I like nvidia,because they deliver us smooth and happy gaming experience, but this is your choose AMD or Nvidia... :)
isnt this supposed to be on techquickie?
Won't cooling be an issue with the VRAM stacked vertically?
I mean with GDDR5 every stack of memory could be cooled individually, in some cards even being taken care of by a special cutout in the heatsink. Will the memory heat up more when it's on top of another or is it so efficient that that's no concern?
***** Thats why the fury and furyx are VERY VERY hot cards.
MrHoward888 Fury-X maxes out to around 50-60 c while the TITAN X and 980 TI is 84 c
dukethedj 50-60c while pump and fan are screaming near 3k. A water cooled card don't count.
MrHoward888 Then why did you mention the fury x anyways? Besides, Toms Hardware got that temps with the fans at it's slowest speed.
dukethedj BS complete shit. I'd never believe that in a million fucking years. I done custom loops for awhile and that's a straight lie.
Seems like cooling would be an issue on the stack.
invites linus over for a video, ruins the radiator on their fury x sample
why would you need to overclock hbm 4096 bit memory bus seams to me the gpu is the bottle neck not the memory so things can only get faster.if you have 4 memory chips staked at 1000 mhz is that not x4
AMD's new GPU annouced: the R9 Linus X, the ULTIMATE Fury wrecker.
Seems like the logical next step in gpu tech.
ill be waiting for the HBM toaster review
gameguy301 Funny thing is that might actually happen once hbm replaces normal ram because of the toasters that will connect to wifi and shit.
Linus is always breaking stuff! LOL
In my opinion HBM puts GDDR5 to shame it has way smaller area,better power consumption and higher memory cap, I am very sure this will become AMDs new standard really soon.
Dodgetgo It's not AMD's. HBM better beat GDDR5, GDDR5 is SEVEN years old, now!
HD 7990 is comparable to Fury X?