so how do you explain the cult of farage? farage joins a party ukip or reform gets rid of anybody who might challenge his position then will set about destroying said party when it becomes to much of a threat to the conservative party.
@@da90sReAlvloc Yes, and if we held another referendum now to rejoin the EU ASAP it's pretty well known that it would succeed. Brexit has handicapped our economic recovery from COVID, and hampered all economic growth beyond that.
@@KingPOTB I remember back in the 80's when there was a Huge trial involving the "moonnies" = (Rev Sun Moon of Korea, or some name like that?) took the" Daily Mail" & " Mail on Sunday" newspaper to court as the paper had been following up on the moonies horrible practices (breaking up families, friends, isolating members, etc) & reported on their abuses! The Mail denounced this phoney "venture" saying it was a cult Not a religion! After a long trail at the High Court in London, the moonies lost & that made all the other cult-like groups, "shy" of pushing their agenda, here in the UK. Even "Scientology" kept its head down, after that & didn't pursue their "usual practices" as carried out in other countries, especially in its titular base = the USA. So, that long trial ended up subjugating all those cult factions which was a good thing in the end
I know a couple of people who got sucked into cults (Scientology and another one with a 'self improvement' angle) but it doesn't seem as prominent as USA
A lot of brits (including myself) think that for example, school kids having to swear the Oath of Alliegence at school every day has a cultish trait rather than a patriotic one, the kids shouldnt have to prove their patriotism every day because if you know you are a patriot who loves your country, the fact that you feel it yourself should be good enough and you shouldnt have to keep proving it to others because of their insecurities xx
@@da90sReAlvlocyeah - the exception that proves the rule!!! That was truly delusional. Still, at least we didn’t knowingly vote for a proven liar, scam artist, fraudster, multi-time failed business man (including a casino, also known as a license to print money!), adjudicated rapist and insurrectionist.
As a Brit who lived in California and who is married to an American wife, I would disagree with you about Brits being pessimistic and less optimistic than Americans. I would say that Brits are far more realistic and far less excitable about getting dragged into cults. We don't get excited about preachers shouting at their congregations, which we associate with American churches and cults. Far better to listen to someone calmly talking and not getting over emotional. " Don;t believe what your told until you've examined the truth. Keep calm and carry on" stands us in good stead and is what we're known for.
It's not just the Brits, though! Europeans, in general, are sceptical about men or women talking about brimstone and fire. Most people here would give them a wide berth. We don't admire or look up to zealous preachers - we call out the BS immediately we witness it.
@@grahamdhv3812 I did and I was a remainder I still think the country just wilfully followed Boris because of his charisma if they held the vote again today I think it would be a totally different outcome xx
@@grahamdhv3812Brexit happened for the exact same reason us Brits don't have cults like Americans. So many of us wanted to leave because we simply know we can't trust the leaders of the EU and we would rather deal with everything independently and alone. The EU is basically a cult itself and we are all expected to just blindly follow orders when the majority can see that it's not really working in the majority of people's favour. And when we made the decision to leave the EU, the EU leaders have done everything in their power to punish us for it and manipulate the entire situation with lies. Just like cult leaders do! The whole of Europe is crumbling and there are still people like you who would rather be in the failing and controlled cult because you feel safe being told what to do and have other people in charge. Makes you feel safe being controlled and having rules to follow rather than being free and having to think for yourself.
I would personally say America is a cultish country. You say the pledge of allegiance everyday at school. You’re told your the best country, even though you have no idea if you are until you find out about other countries and you don’t mix with other countries
first off, NO we don't day the pledge of allegiance everyday at school. if a kid says they don't want to say it THEY DON'T HAVE TO because it's illegal to force a child, or ANYONE for that matter, to say it. Tell me that you don't know shit about America without telling me. y'all are so fascinated with the south and think that is the ONLY culture in America that you forget that there are other places in America NOT like that AT ALL 🤣🤣🤣 i live in Oregon and we follow the FEDERAL LAW that NO ONE is forced to say the pledge of allegiance and before you try it, I'm 45 and lived all over the united states. i live 100 miles from the pacific coast... 3000 miles from the Atlantic . it only takes roughly 3 hours to cross the widest part of England. Seattle is 6 hours north of me. just be quiet when you don't actually know what you're talking about.. it makes you look like a plebian fool
@@mikewood8988 That's what I mean, It didn't really catch on. Any sort of organised body that is highfalutin whether it be political or religious, tends to be ridiculed. British people tend to be cynical and negative, compared with Americans anyway.
@@mikewood8988Where is Mosley and his idiots now? Some Brits fought them on the streets and gave them a whopping, and they had to be saved by the police.
I am a Brit but I did live in LA for a while and I met a woman there who was BIG into Mormonism, and she was definitely indoctrinated, I got asked to leave the LA temple for asking to many uncomfortable questions mainly about where the Tithe money went.......
My mum was trying to get me to go to church saying I was a heathen which did not bother me a great deal. So on this occasion I agreed and went to church. It rather backed fire on my poor mum, as when we got home, as a child, I kept pointing out rather a lot of embarrassing inconsistencies, and things that she was unable to answer. So she decided that on the whole I didn't need to go, she seemed rather relieved. After all you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink, and as a follower I would be very likely to wander off in the opposite direction. Like a lot of Brits. The football chants in the UK and the US are rather indicative of differences in our propensity to putting people on a pedestal rather than taking the p*ss out of everyone. The Brits gravitate towards the latter which reduces the chance of joining a cult and the Americans towards the former.
@@JM-dm3qkif you're getting the piss taken out of you by your group of mates and it's not exclusively you then you are are mates. We will point out people's hypocrisy by taking the piss out of them or if they do something wrong. We are not very confrontational as a whole in the UK. Take the piss not get angry.
@@da90sReAlvlocBrexit, Reform yea, probably the closest thing to a cult in the UK right now, so yea some Brits choose the coolaid/snake oil, just like cult members do in the States.
You could ask someone what their religion is. The majority don’t have one. Even those who are a member of a church only really do so because it means a cheap grave at the end of their life. Not everyone, of course. But I think that’s also part of why we wouldn’t fall for a cult so easily… we’re just not as religiously inclined. As a nation we don’t have this longing for a saviour that’s seen so often in the states.
@@Charlotte-ti2yk Even those who are, are just a cynical of cults in general. And our cults tend to revolve around politicians like Farage and Boris. Media doesn't help though by giving these legitimacy.
@@da90sReAlvloc Since you keep commenting this all over the channel Brexit wasn't a cult. The government f*cked up Brexit the same way they f*cked up everything else and if we voted to stay in the EU they would have (somehow) found a way to f*ck that up as well. Not to mention 2 major things happened to completely crippled the economy which has nothing to do with brexit (c*vid and russia war).
@@da90sReAlvlocand it will be given time and a government that has the balls to do what needs t9 be done, unfortunately that's not Labour or the Tories.
Its from schooling. US are taught that someone has the answer and they need to find someone who can give it to them. Your teaching is the teacher giving you the answer and your exams are multiple choice, so looking for the answer that someone else gave you. In UK we have to think, not just follow. In exams we have to have the answers ourselves and not just follow what is in front of us. So when it comes to things like cults, people from UK actually think about it, whereas in USA if what they say sounds remotely right, because they are not used to having to think things through, they dive in. They spend the best part of 21 years taught not to think, just go with what is familiar or seems right. UK spend years learning and contemplating and having to listen properly to what is said and what is meant in order to come up with an answer for themselves, not use someone else's predetermined explanation of what is right
So critical thinking skills. Also the fact we're a high context communicator as a culture we have to use that skill constantly to interpret what people really mean. Although tap into emotions then we become just as susceptible to following something we otherwise wouldn't, usually using fear i.e. rhetoric of far right or even far left, or political leaders such as Trump or Farage. When critical thinking goes out the window.
I remember a question in history in my final exam. A picture was shown and the question was "what does this picture show us of medicine through the ages" You have 5 pages for your answer.
@@sianneish you had to sneak in trump somehow and spoil your whole point 😅. Bias preachers be they left or right need to stop, youre making the world a worse place by forcing arguements into everyday life when no one asked for it. Im trans and im not a fan of trump BUT i can make arguements for trump. dont act like the choice that you didnt pick is inherently evil or stupid coz then guess who you sound like....trump, congrats you are what you hate and nothing changed 😅. Brexit was a landslide dont forget, the people voted for it. You can say its from fear but i didn't vote out of fear i voted against regulations ect i didn't want for my country or my kids...bit of critical thinking one could say. Poisoning the well is also a trump tactic actually, youd be a great trump supporter 😂 but honestly the difference between left and right is juat who you bend the knee for and this exchange ia a perfect example of it.
Just before the battle of britain. German ambassador remarks we can walk into britain whenever we want. British ambassador Sir David Kelly remarks. "If you think we're going to gamble on herr hitlers guarantees you are making a grave mistake. All those years in England seems to have left you none the wiser. We're not eaily frightened. Also we know how hard it is for an army to cross the channel the last corpral who tried came a cropper. So dont threaten or dictate to us, until you are marching up whitehall...even then we wont listen. Best describes the uk in a nutshell 🤣
There’s inly one answer to this question. It’s ILLEGAL to claim you’re a religion and demand money from your worshipers in Britain. To get tax-exempt status religious churches must work like a charity. That’s why Scientology has never managed to make it out of America. It’s also an offence to incite hatred against someone else purely based on religion and we have a law called Freedom of Religion, which means we have the right to believe what we want without being coerced by anyone else.
Sorta Scientologists are here but not prevalent (used to see recruiters around Oxford Street and Tottenham Court Road as they had a HQ or church nearby) Most ppl would not know they exist unless they encounter those few recruiter types tho
I've been watching this woman's videos for a while now here in the uk , she is absolutely spot on with 99% of her observations on our country , her videos are a must watch and her delivery is great.
A huge percentage of the UK population are Atheist. A belief in something & having true factual information are two very different things! Truth & logic only come from factual information, not unfounded beliefs. 🇬🇧
Exactly this. We don’t have that same desire to believe in some sort of saviour. Watching the US from over here (and working with them over the years), it’s like some of them NEED a new messiah or something. It’s a little disturbing.
Well one friend joined the Dull Men's Club on facebook and another group involving pictures of bathtubs in odd places. Similarly there was another group with photos of traffic cones in odd places, so I don't think my friends or I are really suited to cults.
In the UK we also have a cultural 'memory' of the nonsense of the religious persecutions, and of the Civil War, between the mid-C16th and the C17th and we don't want to go there again.
“You tell them a lie, and then when you don’t need it anymore you tell them another lie and tell them they’re progressing along the road to wisdom. Then instead of laughing they follow you even more, hoping that at the heart of all the lies they’ll find the truth. And bit by bit they accept the unacceptable. Amazing.” Terry Pratchett
One reason I feel is why America is prone to more cults is, the American way of life is cultish. The pledge to the flag being the main part, you don't have to but everyone else is so you are pressured to join in the pledge. American public is brainwashed into thinking it has more freedoms and better way of life than the rest of the world, even going as far to say other countries hate it's freedoms, including the UK which just isn't true. In fact some american friends I have now living here in the UK actually feel we have more and better freedoms than America on account of we don't discriminate by race, culture or social standing as much as the U.S. Lastly, the american people work in an endless machine being told to arrive early and stay late to complete work as the ideal hard worker, with way less vacation time, maturity leave, child benefits, livable wage or sickness pay as most other countries, sometimes literally working themselves sick or to an early grave and yet this is fine because it is all paying taxes to do their part in making America the greatest nation in the world. Harsh take I know and I also know this will annoy some of the more patriotic American people, but that actually only proves my point further.
I'm stunned at the claim that the UK has around 2000 cults! I would have guessed it to be in the tens, and then mostly amongst people who have come here from elsewhere.
Cults here are pretty small. Also, many groups the US consider to be religions would be defined as cults in the UK. As well as the definition given in the video, any organisation which attempts to gain more followers by actively going out and trying to persuade them to join (think going out on the street to knock on doors and handing out leaflets) can be considered a cult. And remember, while most of our fanatics moved to the US when it was founded, some must have remained.
Yehi was surprised we had Scientology here in the UK - Then an auditor happened to visit and there not quite as loopy as those in the USA - Still believed in the stuff but seemed normalish people and so i thought do they actually get told the whole truth about it? It seemed if someone was to show them the RUclips videos on Scientology, i suspect they'd run a mile because they as a say wasnt nutters
ive met loads of weird hippy culty groups. Someone buys an old farm or something in the countryside and rounds up waifs n strays from the party scene. No rent, free drugs and the goofy sex hareem seems progressive at first......
Education is the primary reason for avoiding cults. Religious education in UK state schools is taught as a way of understanding cultural practices, traditions, morality and thought processes, rather than enforcing one particular interpretation of an established religion. Many cults in UK are simply imports from America...
@MoMoIsInHell hooligans are different from ultra, for a lot of hooligans the game is second to fighting, and it more of a gang culture, your firm is your life, the ultras are more the team or country is first everytime, both have elements of each other in the ranks but in very opposite in numbers, it's why the clip of two old hooligans held back about 30 ultras afew years back went viral, both have huge amounts of passion but in different ways
@@IanHopkinson-lu8xo One might be more extreme than the other but they’re both examples of blind followers. If you’re risking your freedom to defend the honour of a group of random athletes who work in your town, youre not a free thinker
@@da90sReAlvlocmore people are in the conservative and labour cults than in the reform cult, those two cults have run the country for over 100 yrs, the other political cults are just window dressing to the main two.
Americans are schooled by religion to follow blindly. Religion in the UK is a dying belief system so it is more difficult to fool us. However, it is true that older people and under-educated people are more inclined to get fooled by cults.
I think this is a big part. If you are brought up in a system that requires almost blind obediance you become desensitised to it. Also, Americans are brought up in an almost obssesive world of Patriotism. Accidentally you are being encourage or trained to only see good things. The UK dont have this. When a country is either practically Secular (UK), completely Secular or less "blind patriotic" you have a system that (accidentally) enforces the mindset where you have to prove from day 1 that something is "good"
I'm 54 and have never seen or heard of a cult in England. I don't even know anyone that goes to church or calls themselves religious. But if anyone wants to join my cult. Simply sell your house and bring the cash along to your initiation ceremony, along with your gorgeous wife. Then I will guarantee your entry to heaven. God bless you my son 🙏
I was walking around poole a few years ago and a rather lovely woman asked if I would fill in a questionnaire. I went to this large house and started filling it in when I noticed photos of John Travolta and Tom Cruise , I finished it and they went through it but I wasn’t to their liking but they kept ringing me up for weeks.
I knew someone who had been in a cult once - she’d been in foster care and wasn’t very well educated or bright, and somehow managed to get adopted at 18 (!) by an elderly couple who were already part of the cult. She was so desperate for stability and parents that she would put up with nearly anything. She did leave eventually, but she was still drawn to evangelical churches - and there’s a growing problem with them in the U.K. because they are one man bands like in America and naturally create “pastors” who are narcissistic bullies with immense power. My friend had a heart of gold and a very simplistic way of looking at things - she knew nothing of politics but declared she would be voting for David Cameron in the 2010 election simply because he had declared he was a Christian and the other candidates hadn’t. I’d never known anyone like her, but she’d had a very rough start in life and clearly had no education or critical thinking skills as she believed things unquestioningly like a child. When I watch footage of MAGA folk I’m reminded of her in the simple way they believe in God and Trump. They’re so gonna learn the hard way with his Presidency!
It's because we are all of us, black, white Asian sharing each others footsteps. We don't fall for religious dogma. It's not that we're unreligious. It's because we share everybody's culture and therefore aren't closed of from the rest of humanity. Cultism is everywhere in religious and cultural society and we hear it all without being enticed to drink the koolaid. The British are solidly individualistic but solidly united
The pledge of allegiance is very culty. You are literally being taught to follow and do a ritual almost daily. it's ritualistic and you do it without thinking, plus all the we are the greatest, the land of the free, the greatest burgers the greatest whatever, how many sports do you have a world championships, a world series or world champion, but Americans are the only people that play it, you are taught that way from a young age, and its only a step away from a clever or charismatic person to take advantage of this
It's not just that Americans are more religious, the level of what's considered normal in American is off the charts compared to the UK - Admitting to throwing snakes around, speaking in tongues, running around being possessed etc doesn't go down well in the UK, people tend to look nervous and remember other places they need to be.
I personally believe every religion is a type of cult. I'm not religious in the slightest .but i do a lot of good for not only the village that i live in but surrounding villages, too ! Now, when i was at school in the 60s & 70s, we were taught that ,that Jesus Christ fella would come back to Earth in the year 2,000. I'm still waiting for proof !
It is possible to be a nice person and have the social morality to be good and fair without having to go somewhere every week to sing songs to a bloke we haven't even seen. I dont believe in any religion either, but I have no problem with others doing as the please in private,none of my business,unless they knock my door and they are invited in to talk about their views on dinosaurs and why they were not allowed on the Ark🤣👍
@Langstrath Jesus himself said? You mean other people CLAIMED he said that (or said anything). You are being taught incorrectly, there will be no return & no god exists. Belief is not fact & certainly not reality.
@@Paul-hl8yg I was merely clarifying what the Bible actually states to indicate that what the OP reported was not an accurate portrayal of what is written in it (as a point of accuracy). I was not starting a wider discussion about the truth of particular beliefs (which could go on forever). You are entitled to your own view, of course. But you appear not to realise that your own statement is itself an expression of beliefs (atheist beliefs that God does not exist, Jesus will not return, and that the Bible is incorrect) expressed as if they are factual and for which I doubt you have any proof. Yet that is precisely the nature of your objection to the last part of my original comment. I beg to differ about the reality of belief. A sincerely-held belief is real and meaningful to the holder of the belief and shapes how that person lives, thinks, speaks and acts, the choices they make, their attitudes and the values and morals they live by. It is therefore part of their reality even if it is not shared by others. Surely your atheist beliefs influence your thinking, your attitudes, your interactions (including the phrasing of your reply to my comment), your choices about how to live, your actions or inactions etc. and are part of your reality? Whether any particular belief (Christian, atheist or other) is true or not is a different issue and is probably not feasible or profitable to debate here.
@Paul-hl8yg I'm with you, me duck. I don't believe either . Some man wrote the bible, in my view it's fiction. Just like any other fiction book ! Let's see how long it takes for someone to try and make me believe that the bible is gospel truth ?
To completely disprove this notion research how we reacted when Diana or Elizabeth died. It was like North Korea for a while...we absolutely have our cults, we're just a lot more subtle about it.
Brits are far more cynical, we are taught "if it sounds too good to be true it is!" We Brits tend to live by that rule, 99 times out of 100 it's exactly right 😊
Had the mormons (could be JW not sure) round once ringing my doorbell. Well presented American lad in a white shirt, looked about 18. The badge declared him to be an 'Elder'! He still had acne! I laughed my arse off and this seemed to discourage him.
That's the Mormons. Elder is a term usual for younger chaps. All groups have terms that dont seem to make sense. They are not a cult, though, by any means.They are more like Methodists in that way, though any religion adhered to with extremes can become cultish.
@DanielHay-u3r it's not about practices. A cult is how invasive and enforced practices are. One could call Morris Dancing a cult if one was in danger by trying to quit. I've lived in Salt Lake City for some time. There are Mormon churches all over the place, but also Sikhs, Catholics, etc, as well LQBTQ groups and everyone else. They have their stringent beliefs, but most of them are pretty relaxed about things. Well have to agree to disagree.
What? I always thought gardening was a cult, from villages with "best kept garden" competitions to allotment "grow the biggest vegetable" competitions, from rose growing, or orchids, to topiary. So many sub-cults under the "Gardening" umbrella. 😂🤣😅🤣
I do think British people are somewhat more cynical... But also, if a vicar, imam, or rabbi went rogue and became "charismatic", too loud, and over the top, that would be alarming to Brits.
When you consider that a number of vicars in the Anglican churches don’t actually believe in god in the traditional sense you can understand why the uk just isn’t in to extreme belief of any kind. Even our churches aren’t too into the beliefs. We mainly can’t really be arsed and it’s all a bit of a nonsense.
1:53 ... The word "cult" comes from the Latin word cultus, which means "care, cultivation, worship". The word first appeared in English in 1617, and comes from the French word culte, which also means "worship".
Yes, as in the original religions (now known as "paganism", they literally cared for their gods by giving them sacrifices. That's also how Christianity started with its Jewish roots, but the twist in Christianity was copying the Hellenistic mystery cults in their sacrificial gods and demigods, allowing the sacrifices to become imaginary rather than physical. That made the cult cheaper to join and therefore more popular.
It's the fault of your Puritan ancestors and the resultant obsession with utopianism and righteousness. We kicked them out centuries ago. You made them the government.
Growing up within a religious cultures can halt your ability to critically think. In Britain we’ve been encouraged to think, be skeptical but certainly not cynical.
There is also a big difference between Church Schools in the US and 'Church Schools ' in the UK. My School was basically a normal comprehensive with a couple of hours a week of Religious Education (non Catholics were exempt) and the teachers weren't allowed to just praise the Church. I spent too years learning how to dissect parables and allegories and sleeping through Mass on Feast Days. I'm glad I did it though because it lets me year apart the house built on sand that Evangelical types have tried to 'convert' me with.
@@CeiStockport-nx2qi I am an atheist, with atheist/agnostic parents, who went to CofE schools from 5 - 18. I wasn't withdrawn from anything at primary school; at secondary school, my parents told me that I could voluntarily withdraw from anything religious if I wished. We had Religious _Education_ taught by kind and tolerant non-conformist minister. We learnt _about_ many different religions and - importantly! - how they were all interlinked with The Golden Rule. He was also perfectly willing to openly discuss the very many nasty, rotten parts of the OT, and the ridiculously over-controlling patriarchical laws and rules of both old and new testaments. I sang in the school choir - lots of religious stuff! - and have been involved in church choirs and performances of religious music for many years as an adult. I have always been, and still remain, now approaching 80, an atheist. My education in church schools gave me effective ammunition against the onslaught of bible-thumpers, yet enabled me to have enjoyable, mutually-respectful discussions with educated believers or clerics of different faiths. I was honestly shocked when, in the working world overseas, I first came face to face with US-style evangelism, its aggressively confrontational, grasping modus operandi and its semi-literate but glib-tongued 'preachers'. I made it my business to revise much of what I'd learnt from my dear RE teacher, and extended it, in order to be able to quote verse for verse .... then turn their (tiny) world upside down by revealing the 'truth' - that this biblically-knowledgable, educated-in-early-church-history, articulate English woman, was, horror of horrors, _an admitted atheist!_
There is a reason why we don't have a Hollywood... There is reason why we don't have guns (btw shot guns are not banned in the UK), there is a reason why we have free healthcare. The UK is certainly not perfect!! but generally, we don't have time or tolerance for foolishness.
Scientology is indeed a religion by that definition. Don't be mistaken: that doesn't glorify Scientology, it merely exposes all the other religions as nothing more than cults that survived to parasitise modern humans.
If one person believes something that is without evidence they are deluded, if hundreds or thousands they call them cultists, but if millions believe in the same its called religion, the only difference is the numbers
When i was touring the US with a band, our provocative front man would call the crowd out for being a bunch of wankers. The difference between UK & US, he maintains, is that in the UK punter would look around & think, yeah, he's right, but it doesn't apply to me, whereas in the US the crowd would react by thinking 'yeah, I am'
To be honest, I would be surprised if there were 2000 cults in the UK,... people aren't so gullible or easily sucked in over here in the UK... there might be lots of groups, which are probably related to hobby stuff, or environmental causes, or charity type things, but we tend to be more analytical in our thinking as a whole, and don't take things at face value without questioning them, and we all carry a big radar for those people talking Bullsh*t... So there may be a few Morris dancing troupes around, that may seem a little fanatical, but even they will beat each other up with a stick if someone gets too much!!!... only joking i love a good Morris dance troupe...🤣😂🤣... but our biggest plus for not getting too cultish in the UK, is our ability to see the funny side of things and laugh at ourselves,... and that's a big difference,... we don't have overinflated ego's, and if someone is getting too full of themselves, they will get knocked back... Americans don't like criticism,... but you need criticism sometimes to be able to take a step back, and review things, and sometimes realise that we're not always right...
I know we pay in to the NHS but its still a small amount but luckily to have it. You guys in America you pay crazy money when you to hospital. I remember a American RUclipsr went to Europe had hes hair done and it was still cheaper and gets visit a nother country. ✌️🇬🇧
You only pay into the NHS while you're earning - and even then you have to earn more than a certain amount per month/year before you become eligible. I know this, because I took early retirement, and I can earn up to £200 a week before I would have to pay NHS. This is why I deliberately keep my private pension payouts to a lower amount so I don't trigger the thresholds for tax or NHS. By the way, however much an employee pays in NHS, their employer pays double!
I think our sense of practicality also plays a part in this. Someone comes up to us promising some amazing salvation in a hypothetical life hereafter, and we're much more likely to think "Okay, sounds great, how does that help me, right now in this moment?" Dreams and visions of fantasical tomorrows are much less appealing to us. Honestly, to our own detriment sometimes.
As a Brit it was instilled in me very early on that people who get lonely are the ones who cant stand their own company. that became quite profound in me as I grew up. now when people ask me if i get lonely i say, i dont hate myself that much!
I am speaking for myself as i can not speak for others opinions or views . The reason i do not fall for cults as i am a person who does not have beliefs of a faith of any kind or political jargon which i also are cults in my mind as they both tell bs as other strings are pulling them as they are the pr of the cults they say one thing and do another . The problem in America is you are a big country with states and have different laws on law and order and the education they choose to give you . I do not socialize all that much i have traveled the country all over the place been in the army and the cadets before that , i use to socialize ,but i have a young family at the time so work was important to bring the money in and to make sure they have a good education and a start in life . I will listen to the religions but it does not mean i would join them ,my thoughts is i observe everything not to judge but i know when bs is coming i will either say it or say tata i have other interests to stimulte my brain.
Church in the Uk is for weddings, christenings and funerals for the majority of people other than that not really attended. Could be a history thing as we were religious historically and America is in world terms a teenager.
@@gregfurey1104 BRexit was never a clut it was a nations issue where the people had to make a decision to either Stay or Leave. Everyone had their reasons for choosing one or the other. There is nothing cultish about us leaving the EU. Some people were happy some where not but we've all adapted and moved on.
I’m a Kiwi and I have travelled to America before. Some of the people I talked to expressed shock that religion isn’t something us Kiwi do. Us Kiwi just don’t have patience for it.
We are not less religious. We just keep it to our selves. Its a private thing. We have a rule at the pub. Dont talk about religion, politics, or "football". The football thing was usually because it was linked to religion.
We are statistically a less religious nation than the US with over 37% of the country identifying as having no religion (and slowly increasing year on year), whilst only around 4% of the US respondents of similar surveys and censuses state the same; it isn't even close, though like the UK the percentage is slowly going up (but slower).
@@da90sReAlvloc you have commented on almost every comment with Brexit. Yet you don't seem to realise that it was actually more stupid for us to ever join the EU in the first place in the 1970's. The EU is basically a giant cult itself. We join and have to pay millions of our own money to people who create rules and laws that we then have to follow and obey otherwise we will be punished! Leaving the EU is not the problem. Having the EU exist at all is the problem. If every country left the EU tomorrow then we would all be free to trade with each other independently and each country would be able to prioritise what is best for themselves without billions of £ being wasted every year on lining the pockets of greedy EU politicians who are only interested in themselves. Us English are not liked by the majority of countries so why would you want to let people who don't even really like us make rules that control our daily lives and then also pay them for doing it? It's stupid and the only people dumb enough to think it's clever are the type of people who would end up in a cult.
@@da90sReAlvlocos this all you can say you've said it numerous times we are well aware of Brexit and we know it was a mistake that we quickly learnt but if that's they only argument you can come up with(quite clearly it is by the number of times you've stated it) then that says it all really doesn't it compared to all the intelligent comments made on here so if I was as ignorant and unintelligent as you I would just not comment,bye bye now take care 😂
America is massive so different groups can get a large following without being mainstream or even legal. Perhaps being so big many feel lost so constantly crave someone to show them the way. Uk is steeped in tradition so we have a more grounded sense of who we are.
Most British people wouldn't blindly following ANY leader. We've seen where that leads. And also, we can't be bothered.
Yeah that's about it really.
Remind Farage supporters of this
so how do you explain the cult of farage? farage joins a party ukip or reform gets rid of anybody who might challenge his position then will set about destroying said party when it becomes to much of a threat to the conservative party.
Not quite true. Farage has quite a cult following & Brexit was largely cult led.
@@LowPlainsDrifter60so do labour and the Tories especially those who vote that them blindly, apparently, at each and every election regardless
In Britain, on Sunday we go to the garden centre 😂 Our version of salvation is 50% off potted shrubs and a nice cup of tea.
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Preach 🙌🏻 😂😂....... 👍🏻
Praise our Lord and Saviour, B&Q!
50% off, absolute bargain 👌
Yes, we must find... A SHRUBBERY!!!
For years, my retirement plan has been to move to the US and use my british accent to start a cult.
😂😂😂 I'm with you
Probably make a lot of money.
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And now we know just how easy it would be.
Us Brits can’t be arsed with that nonsense lol
Well, there's Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage... Oh, you mean cults, not cu*ts.
Brexit, reform UK
@@da90sReAlvloc Are not Cults.
@@da90sReAlvlocyou forgot to mention Just Stop Oil, Extinction Rebellion, Hope Not Hate, Care For Calais, LBC listeners.... And James O Brien.
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Yes, and if we held another referendum now to rejoin the EU ASAP it's pretty well known that it would succeed.
Brexit has handicapped our economic recovery from COVID, and hampered all economic growth beyond that.
I’m from the UK and I’m 28. I’ve not once heard of a cult being active in the UK so 2000 is a huge shock to me
@@KingPOTB I remember back in the 80's when there was a Huge trial involving the "moonnies" = (Rev Sun Moon of Korea, or some name like that?) took the" Daily Mail" & " Mail on Sunday" newspaper to court as the paper had been following up on the moonies horrible practices (breaking up families, friends, isolating members, etc) & reported on their abuses! The Mail denounced this phoney "venture" saying it was a cult Not a religion! After a long trail at the High Court in London, the moonies lost & that made all the other cult-like groups, "shy" of pushing their agenda, here in the UK. Even "Scientology" kept its head down, after that & didn't pursue their "usual practices" as carried out in other countries, especially in its titular base = the USA. So, that long trial ended up subjugating all those cult factions which was a good thing in the end
There are a few but i think most are international and they are, indeed, rare in comparison to the USA. You are right.
The cult….sorry, CHURCH of Scientology had its headquarters in london for a while if I remember correctly
I know a couple of people who got sucked into cults (Scientology and another one with a 'self improvement' angle) but it doesn't seem as prominent as USA
There was one near London around 2008-2009 there was a few news stories here and there
Brits dark humour and sarcasm is enough evidence they don't fall for stupidity
A lot of brits (including myself) think that for example, school kids having to swear the Oath of Alliegence at school every day has a cultish trait rather than a patriotic one, the kids shouldnt have to prove their patriotism every day because if you know you are a patriot who loves your country, the fact that you feel it yourself should be good enough and you shouldnt have to keep proving it to others because of their insecurities xx
It definitely is a cult trait I was flabbergasted when my cousins moved to America and had to start doing this...
@@MythicalMystic lmao patriotism is quintessially cult behaviour in itself.
Yea that’s just the start of their children’s indoctrination and it is quite disturbing that it doesn’t get talked about at all in this regard
@@grimmstryke9627no it's tribal, there's a massive difference between tribes and cults.
@@grimmstryke9627I'm against nationalism as a whole. I see a person as a person, not as a person from a particular nation.
We have a saying here in Britain "Only in America" anything idiotic, out there or extreme.
Brexit reform UK
@@da90sReAlvlocyeah - the exception that proves the rule!!! That was truly delusional.
Still, at least we didn’t knowingly vote for a proven liar, scam artist, fraudster, multi-time failed business man (including a casino, also known as a license to print money!), adjudicated rapist and insurrectionist.
Only in "murica
@@da90sReAlvloc touche 🤣
It only took one school shooting for UK to ditch guns. America has had how many since then
As a Brit who lived in California and who is married to an American wife, I would disagree with you about Brits being pessimistic and less optimistic than Americans. I would say that Brits are far more realistic and far less excitable about getting dragged into cults. We don't get excited about preachers shouting at their congregations, which we associate with American churches and cults. Far better to listen to someone calmly talking and not getting over emotional. " Don;t believe what your told until you've examined the truth. Keep calm and carry on" stands us in good stead and is what we're known for.
It's not just the Brits, though! Europeans, in general, are sceptical about men or women talking about brimstone and fire. Most people here would give them a wide berth. We don't admire or look up to zealous preachers - we call out the BS immediately we witness it.
How many simpletons examined the truth on Brexit?
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The same amount as those who wanted to remain... !?
@@grahamdhv3812 I did and I was a remainder I still think the country just wilfully followed Boris because of his charisma if they held the vote again today I think it would be a totally different outcome xx
@@grahamdhv3812Brexit happened for the exact same reason us Brits don't have cults like Americans. So many of us wanted to leave because we simply know we can't trust the leaders of the EU and we would rather deal with everything independently and alone.
The EU is basically a cult itself and we are all expected to just blindly follow orders when the majority can see that it's not really working in the majority of people's favour. And when we made the decision to leave the EU, the EU leaders have done everything in their power to punish us for it and manipulate the entire situation with lies. Just like cult leaders do!
The whole of Europe is crumbling and there are still people like you who would rather be in the failing and controlled cult because you feel safe being told what to do and have other people in charge. Makes you feel safe being controlled and having rules to follow rather than being free and having to think for yourself.
I think we Brits are much more cynical, as well as overall less interested in religion, than most Americans.
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I’d say Brits are more realistic, rather than Pessimistic
Brexit. Reform UK
I think we're more suspicious and cynical, rather than pessimistic...although some might say that's the same thing!
That's something I've noticed about Brexit and Reform adherents, they can't express themselves in sentences.
@@heatherroach7817That's cos they are in a cult...
Personally I would say Brits are generally less gullible. We aren't as easily fooled.
I would personally say America is a cultish country. You say the pledge of allegiance everyday at school. You’re told your the best country, even though you have no idea if you are until you find out about other countries and you don’t mix with other countries
Yh 100% from the top down it’s a cultish
I honestly only found out about this last year. I thought it was something from films lol
first off, NO we don't day the pledge of allegiance everyday at school. if a kid says they don't want to say it THEY DON'T HAVE TO because it's illegal to force a child, or ANYONE for that matter, to say it.
Tell me that you don't know shit about America without telling me. y'all are so fascinated with the south and think that is the ONLY culture in America that you forget that there are other places in America NOT like that AT ALL 🤣🤣🤣
i live in Oregon and we follow the FEDERAL LAW that NO ONE is forced to say the pledge of allegiance and before you try it, I'm 45 and lived all over the united states.
i live 100 miles from the pacific coast... 3000 miles from the Atlantic . it only takes roughly 3 hours to cross the widest part of England. Seattle is 6 hours north of me.
just be quiet when you don't actually know what you're talking about.. it makes you look like a plebian fool
Oh 100%. The way Americans are raised to believe they're the 'best' (at what??) is so worrying.
The US sucks at about everything other than religion and defence spending lol
Brits made fun of nazis before the war. We tend to dislike those who take themselves too seriously and strut about in silly uniforms.
So what about Mosley and his Black Shirts?
@@mikewood8988 That's what I mean, It didn't really catch on. Any sort of organised body that is highfalutin whether it be political or religious, tends to be ridiculed. British people tend to be cynical and negative, compared with Americans anyway.
@@mikewood8988Where is Mosley and his idiots now? Some Brits fought them on the streets and gave them a whopping, and they had to be saved by the police.
@@mikewood8988 So what about him? There will always be a few nutters, of some sort or another, around.
@@mikewood8988 theyre the reason political uniforms were banned.
They had a max of 40,000 and were disbanded soon after the start of ww2 (banned)
I am a Brit but I did live in LA for a while and I met a woman there who was BIG into Mormonism, and she was definitely indoctrinated, I got asked to leave the LA temple for asking to many uncomfortable questions mainly about where the Tithe money went.......
You can say the say thing for catholics and protestants
My mum was trying to get me to go to church saying I was a heathen which did not bother me a great deal. So on this occasion I agreed and went to church.
It rather backed fire on my poor mum, as when we got home, as a child, I kept pointing out rather a lot of embarrassing inconsistencies, and things that she was unable to answer.
So she decided that on the whole I didn't need to go, she seemed rather relieved. After all you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink, and as a follower I would be very likely to wander off in the opposite direction. Like a lot of Brits.
The football chants in the UK and the US are rather indicative of differences in our propensity to putting people on a pedestal rather than taking the p*ss out of everyone. The Brits gravitate towards the latter which reduces the chance of joining a cult and the Americans towards the former.
Yes the tithe thing is so disturbing.
@@JM-dm3qkif you're getting the piss taken out of you by your group of mates and it's not exclusively you then you are are mates. We will point out people's hypocrisy by taking the piss out of them or if they do something wrong. We are not very confrontational as a whole in the UK. Take the piss not get angry.
Can't get a brit to part with his money, unless it's to buy something for themselves. 😂😂😂
As an English man i can safely say we rather go to the pub 😂
Tis the main religion in the UK now
That's part of a religious as well 😀😀😀
Not for long they all be shut down soon 😢
You are absolutely right!
And afterwards to the holy house of chilli sauce the kebab shop 🥙
We are not cynical, we are skeptical. They are very different mindsets.
* sceptical
@@Tidybitz
Exactly... 'Skeptical' is the US spelling
Reform UK. Brexit
@@da90sReAlvlocBrexit, Reform yea, probably the closest thing to a cult in the UK right now, so yea some Brits choose the coolaid/snake oil, just like cult members do in the States.
@StewedFishProductions No, it's not. It is just bad spelling.
In the UK never ever ask anyone what their income is or what their religion is because they will most likely tell you to mind your own business
You could ask someone what their religion is. The majority don’t have one. Even those who are a member of a church only really do so because it means a cheap grave at the end of their life. Not everyone, of course. But I think that’s also part of why we wouldn’t fall for a cult so easily… we’re just not as religiously inclined. As a nation we don’t have this longing for a saviour that’s seen so often in the states.
@@Charlotte-ti2yk Even those who are, are just a cynical of cults in general.
And our cults tend to revolve around politicians like Farage and Boris. Media doesn't help though by giving these legitimacy.
You think that only happens in the UK. How sweet of you. It happens in other countries as well
If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.
Really. Yet a lot fell for the. Brexit. Leave EU and everything will be great , remember that
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Since you keep commenting this all over the channel Brexit wasn't a cult. The government f*cked up Brexit the same way they f*cked up everything else and if we voted to stay in the EU they would have (somehow) found a way to f*ck that up as well. Not to mention 2 major things happened to completely crippled the economy which has nothing to do with brexit (c*vid and russia war).
@@da90sReAlvlocand it will be given time and a government that has the balls to do what needs t9 be done, unfortunately that's not Labour or the Tories.
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Yeah I remember that I could have cried when I saw the results xx
Its from schooling. US are taught that someone has the answer and they need to find someone who can give it to them. Your teaching is the teacher giving you the answer and your exams are multiple choice, so looking for the answer that someone else gave you.
In UK we have to think, not just follow. In exams we have to have the answers ourselves and not just follow what is in front of us.
So when it comes to things like cults, people from UK actually think about it, whereas in USA if what they say sounds remotely right, because they are not used to having to think things through, they dive in. They spend the best part of 21 years taught not to think, just go with what is familiar or seems right. UK spend years learning and contemplating and having to listen properly to what is said and what is meant in order to come up with an answer for themselves, not use someone else's predetermined explanation of what is right
So critical thinking skills. Also the fact we're a high context communicator as a culture we have to use that skill constantly to interpret what people really mean.
Although tap into emotions then we become just as susceptible to following something we otherwise wouldn't, usually using fear i.e. rhetoric of far right or even far left, or political leaders such as Trump or Farage. When critical thinking goes out the window.
He was entirely captured from the title of the video😂😂😂😂 got him immediately
I remember a question in history in my final exam.
A picture was shown and the question was
"what does this picture show us of medicine through the ages"
You have 5 pages for your answer.
@@sianneish you had to sneak in trump somehow and spoil your whole point 😅. Bias preachers be they left or right need to stop, youre making the world a worse place by forcing arguements into everyday life when no one asked for it. Im trans and im not a fan of trump BUT i can make arguements for trump. dont act like the choice that you didnt pick is inherently evil or stupid coz then guess who you sound like....trump, congrats you are what you hate and nothing changed 😅.
Brexit was a landslide dont forget, the people voted for it. You can say its from fear but i didn't vote out of fear i voted against regulations ect i didn't want for my country or my kids...bit of critical thinking one could say.
Poisoning the well is also a trump tactic actually, youd be a great trump supporter 😂 but honestly the difference between left and right is juat who you bend the knee for and this exchange ia a perfect example of it.
Just before the battle of britain. German ambassador remarks we can walk into britain whenever we want.
British ambassador Sir David Kelly remarks. "If you think we're going to gamble on herr hitlers guarantees you are making a grave mistake. All those years in England seems to have left you none the wiser. We're not eaily frightened. Also we know how hard it is for an army to cross the channel the last corpral who tried came a cropper. So dont threaten or dictate to us, until you are marching up whitehall...even then we wont listen.
Best describes the uk in a nutshell 🤣
There’s inly one answer to this question. It’s ILLEGAL to claim you’re a religion and demand money from your worshipers in Britain. To get tax-exempt status religious churches must work like a charity. That’s why Scientology has never managed to make it out of America. It’s also an offence to incite hatred against someone else purely based on religion and we have a law called Freedom of Religion, which means we have the right to believe what we want without being coerced by anyone else.
Sorta Scientologists are here but not prevalent (used to see recruiters around Oxford Street and Tottenham Court Road as they had a HQ or church nearby)
Most ppl would not know they exist unless they encounter those few recruiter types tho
I've been watching this woman's videos for a while now here in the uk , she is absolutely spot on with 99% of her observations on our country , her videos are a must watch and her delivery is great.
A huge percentage of the UK population are Atheist. A belief in something & having true factual information are two very different things! Truth & logic only come from factual information, not unfounded beliefs. 🇬🇧
Exactly this. We don’t have that same desire to believe in some sort of saviour. Watching the US from over here (and working with them over the years), it’s like some of them NEED a new messiah or something. It’s a little disturbing.
@Charlotte-ti2yk Religion can be very dangerous, that mob mentality. We are seeing some of that over here aren't we! Quite barbaric in my opinion. 🇬🇧
Well one friend joined the Dull Men's Club on facebook and another group involving pictures of bathtubs in odd places. Similarly there was another group with photos of traffic cones in odd places, so I don't think my friends or I are really suited to cults.
And corrugated iron. Much more interesting than cults!
@@arianbyw3819 Yes, also extreme ironing looked interesting.
In the UK we also have a cultural 'memory' of the nonsense of the religious persecutions, and of the Civil War, between the mid-C16th and the C17th and we don't want to go there again.
Also the Henry VIII, Elizabeth I and Mary flip-flop persecutions
when we hear ' blindly follow' we start making Lancasters
Brexit?
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Brilliant :)
“You tell them a lie, and then when you don’t need it anymore you tell them another lie and tell them they’re progressing along the road to wisdom. Then instead of laughing they follow you even more, hoping that at the heart of all the lies they’ll find the truth. And bit by bit they accept the unacceptable. Amazing.” Terry Pratchett
One reason I feel is why America is prone to more cults is, the American way of life is cultish. The pledge to the flag being the main part, you don't have to but everyone else is so you are pressured to join in the pledge.
American public is brainwashed into thinking it has more freedoms and better way of life than the rest of the world, even going as far to say other countries hate it's freedoms, including the UK which just isn't true. In fact some american friends I have now living here in the UK actually feel we have more and better freedoms than America on account of we don't discriminate by race, culture or social standing as much as the U.S.
Lastly, the american people work in an endless machine being told to arrive early and stay late to complete work as the ideal hard worker, with way less vacation time, maturity leave, child benefits, livable wage or sickness pay as most other countries, sometimes literally working themselves sick or to an early grave and yet this is fine because it is all paying taxes to do their part in making America the greatest nation in the world.
Harsh take I know and I also know this will annoy some of the more patriotic American people, but that actually only proves my point further.
I'm stunned at the claim that the UK has around 2000 cults! I would have guessed it to be in the tens, and then mostly amongst people who have come here from elsewhere.
They're usually sex groups rather than religious cults
I would guess really small groups and not prominent
Cults here are pretty small. Also, many groups the US consider to be religions would be defined as cults in the UK. As well as the definition given in the video, any organisation which attempts to gain more followers by actively going out and trying to persuade them to join (think going out on the street to knock on doors and handing out leaflets) can be considered a cult.
And remember, while most of our fanatics moved to the US when it was founded, some must have remained.
Yehi was surprised we had Scientology here in the UK - Then an auditor happened to visit and there not quite as loopy as those in the USA - Still believed in the stuff but seemed normalish people and so i thought do they actually get told the whole truth about it? It seemed if someone was to show them the RUclips videos on Scientology, i suspect they'd run a mile because they as a say wasnt nutters
ive met loads of weird hippy culty groups. Someone buys an old farm or something in the countryside and rounds up waifs n strays from the party scene. No rent, free drugs and the goofy sex hareem seems progressive at first......
Al murray pub landlord says it best," america has the American dream,, the british don't, why, because we're awake ""
Education is the primary reason for avoiding cults. Religious education in UK state schools is taught as a way of understanding cultural practices, traditions, morality and thought processes, rather than enforcing one particular interpretation of an established religion.
Many cults in UK are simply imports from America...
The UK is just not as gullible as the USA.
i think its the edcucation system and the cyniscism
Brexit?
@@grahamdhv3812 ... yes, like a cult we fortunately got out of.
@@grahamdhv3812 ... yes, like a cult we fortunately got out of.
@@grahamdhv3812 Good point
British people are usually free thinking and do not just follow. It's why our football fans are not ultras, don't really like being told what to fo
Your football fans are not ultras? Bruv, they started the ultra movement... Was the government which stomped out of them
Except when they were told to do Brexit by the right wing. Populations are generally thick and believe anything they are told in the media.
@MoMoIsInHell hooligans are different from ultra, for a lot of hooligans the game is second to fighting, and it more of a gang culture, your firm is your life, the ultras are more the team or country is first everytime, both have elements of each other in the ranks but in very opposite in numbers, it's why the clip of two old hooligans held back about 30 ultras afew years back went viral, both have huge amounts of passion but in different ways
Football is a tribal cult. Fans is short for fanatics.
@@IanHopkinson-lu8xo One might be more extreme than the other but they’re both examples of blind followers.
If you’re risking your freedom to defend the honour of a group of random athletes who work in your town, youre not a free thinker
2,000 cults in the UK? Like to see who did THAT survey!!!!
2,002 now. With Brexit. And reform UK
@@da90sReAlvlocI think that's arguably just one thing that went through a rebrand
@@da90sReAlvlocwill you shut up with that irrelevant bs comment you keep replying to every comment
@@da90sReAlvloc you should really find a healthy hobby.
You're obsessed with Brexit.
@@da90sReAlvlocmore people are in the conservative and labour cults than in the reform cult, those two cults have run the country for over 100 yrs, the other political cults are just window dressing to the main two.
Americans are schooled by religion to follow blindly. Religion in the UK is a dying belief system so it is more difficult to fool us. However, it is true that older people and under-educated people are more inclined to get fooled by cults.
I think this is a big part. If you are brought up in a system that requires almost blind obediance you become desensitised to it. Also, Americans are brought up in an almost obssesive world of Patriotism. Accidentally you are being encourage or trained to only see good things.
The UK dont have this. When a country is either practically Secular (UK), completely Secular or less "blind patriotic" you have a system that (accidentally) enforces the mindset where you have to prove from day 1 that something is "good"
MLMs or pyramid sales are illegal in the UK
My favourite religious Brits are progressive, love a cup of tea and are devoted to voluntary work, they are adorable.
I'm 54 and have never seen or heard of a cult in England. I don't even know anyone that goes to church or calls themselves religious. But if anyone wants to join my cult. Simply sell your house and bring the cash along to your initiation ceremony, along with your gorgeous wife. Then I will guarantee your entry to heaven. God bless you my son 🙏
I was walking around poole a few years ago and a rather lovely woman asked if I would fill in a questionnaire. I went to this large house and started filling it in when I noticed photos of John Travolta and Tom Cruise , I finished it and they went through it but I wasn’t to their liking but they kept ringing me up for weeks.
Never heard of the Masons? Or Salvation army? They have been around forever.
@@lynzp7438 You'll be saying the cub scouts next
I knew someone who had been in a cult once - she’d been in foster care and wasn’t very well educated or bright, and somehow managed to get adopted at 18 (!) by an elderly couple who were already part of the cult. She was so desperate for stability and parents that she would put up with nearly anything. She did leave eventually, but she was still drawn to evangelical churches - and there’s a growing problem with them in the U.K. because they are one man bands like in America and naturally create “pastors” who are narcissistic bullies with immense power. My friend had a heart of gold and a very simplistic way of looking at things - she knew nothing of politics but declared she would be voting for David Cameron in the 2010 election simply because he had declared he was a Christian and the other candidates hadn’t. I’d never known anyone like her, but she’d had a very rough start in life and clearly had no education or critical thinking skills as she believed things unquestioningly like a child. When I watch footage of MAGA folk I’m reminded of her in the simple way they believe in God and Trump. They’re so gonna learn the hard way with his Presidency!
It's because we are all of us, black, white Asian sharing each others footsteps. We don't fall for religious dogma. It's not that we're unreligious. It's because we share everybody's culture and therefore aren't closed of from the rest of humanity. Cultism is everywhere in religious and cultural society and we hear it all without being enticed to drink the koolaid. The British are solidly individualistic but solidly united
The pledge of allegiance is very culty. You are literally being taught to follow and do a ritual almost daily. it's ritualistic and you do it without thinking, plus all the we are the greatest, the land of the free, the greatest burgers the greatest whatever, how many sports do you have a world championships, a world series or world champion, but Americans are the only people that play it, you are taught that way from a young age, and its only a step away from a clever or charismatic person to take advantage of this
Your absolutely right, overall we British are a more cynical people, obviously not everyone but in general.
What's an "absolutely"?
@@grahamdhv3812😂😂 what?
@@grahamdhv3812you’ve never seen that word before?
It's not just that Americans are more religious, the level of what's considered normal in American is off the charts compared to the UK - Admitting to throwing snakes around, speaking in tongues, running around being possessed etc doesn't go down well in the UK, people tend to look nervous and remember other places they need to be.
I personally believe every religion is a type of cult. I'm not religious in the slightest .but i do a lot of good for not only the village that i live in but surrounding villages, too ! Now, when i was at school in the 60s & 70s, we were taught that ,that Jesus Christ fella would come back to Earth in the year 2,000. I'm still waiting for proof !
It is possible to be a nice person and have the social morality to be good and fair without having to go somewhere every week to sing songs to a bloke we haven't even seen. I dont believe in any religion either, but I have no problem with others doing as the please in private,none of my business,unless they knock my door and they are invited in to talk about their views on dinosaurs and why they were not allowed on the Ark🤣👍
@martindunstan8043 Having no problem with religious people is fine, until those religious people become the problem!! 🇬🇧
@Langstrath Jesus himself said? You mean other people CLAIMED he said that (or said anything). You are being taught incorrectly, there will be no return & no god exists. Belief is not fact & certainly not reality.
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I was merely clarifying what the Bible actually states to indicate that what the OP reported was not an accurate portrayal of what is written in it (as a point of accuracy). I was not starting a wider discussion about the truth of particular beliefs (which could go on forever).
You are entitled to your own view, of course. But you appear not to realise that your own statement is itself an expression of beliefs (atheist beliefs that God does not exist, Jesus will not return, and that the Bible is incorrect) expressed as if they are factual and for which I doubt you have any proof. Yet that is precisely the nature of your objection to the last part of my original comment.
I beg to differ about the reality of belief. A sincerely-held belief is real and meaningful to the holder of the belief and shapes how that person lives, thinks, speaks and acts, the choices they make, their attitudes and the values and morals they live by. It is therefore part of their reality even if it is not shared by others. Surely your atheist beliefs influence your thinking, your attitudes, your interactions (including the phrasing of your reply to my comment), your choices about how to live, your actions or inactions etc. and are part of your reality? Whether any particular belief (Christian, atheist or other) is true or not is a different issue and is probably not feasible or profitable to debate here.
@Paul-hl8yg I'm with you, me duck. I don't believe either . Some man wrote the bible, in my view it's fiction. Just like any other fiction book ! Let's see how long it takes for someone to try and make me believe that the bible is gospel truth ?
To completely disprove this notion research how we reacted when Diana or Elizabeth died. It was like North Korea for a while...we absolutely have our cults, we're just a lot more subtle about it.
Us Scots we would win a fight in a empty room .we don't follow we fight
It's simple, we're not as gullable.
Not true. The gullible voted for Brexit because they easily believed liars.
gullible...
GBNews manages to fool a lot of people as does Farage.
@greg5639. It's simple. Brexit. Reform UK
@@da90sReAlvloc Proof. They voted Trump in twice.
Give us a second referendum and we'd get a majority rejoin vote.
To be fair, we in the UK have had religion for longer. Long enough to be sick of the lies!
Brits are far more cynical, we are taught "if it sounds too good to be true it is!" We Brits tend to live by that rule, 99 times out of 100 it's exactly right 😊
That’s realistic rather than cynical
Had the mormons (could be JW not sure) round once ringing my doorbell. Well presented American lad in a white shirt, looked about 18. The badge declared him to be an 'Elder'! He still had acne! I laughed my arse off and this seemed to discourage him.
That's the Mormons. Elder is a term usual for younger chaps. All groups have terms that dont seem to make sense. They are not a cult, though, by any means.They are more like Methodists in that way, though any religion adhered to with extremes can become cultish.
@@aaropajari7058 Door to door salesmen is a bit of a clue. Don't see the methodists doing that.
@@DanielHay-u3r Doesn't mean it's a cult.
@@aaropajari7058 No, it is s pointer though. Then looking at some of the beliefs and practices... you know what? I think it is a cult.
@DanielHay-u3r it's not about practices. A cult is how invasive and enforced practices are. One could call Morris Dancing a cult if one was in danger by trying to quit.
I've lived in Salt Lake City for some time. There are Mormon churches all over the place, but also Sikhs, Catholics, etc, as well LQBTQ groups and everyone else. They have their stringent beliefs, but most of them are pretty relaxed about things. Well have to agree to disagree.
What? I always thought gardening was a cult, from villages with "best kept garden" competitions to allotment "grow the biggest vegetable" competitions, from rose growing, or orchids, to topiary. So many sub-cults under the "Gardening" umbrella. 😂🤣😅🤣
And don't forget Bonsai - that's a religion.
I’ve never thought of that, but you’re right. These gardening competitions seem to take over peoples lives.
I do think British people are somewhat more cynical... But also, if a vicar, imam, or rabbi went rogue and became "charismatic", too loud, and over the top, that would be alarming to Brits.
It's the American dream mindset that can lead some astray.
Really, B. R. E. X. I. T. Thank you Nigel farage
When you consider that a number of vicars in the Anglican churches don’t actually believe in god in the traditional sense you can understand why the uk just isn’t in to extreme belief of any kind. Even our churches aren’t too into the beliefs. We mainly can’t really be arsed and it’s all a bit of a nonsense.
0:15 "I'm already gonna agree with that statement"
And that's how easy it is to get you guys😂
1:53 ... The word "cult" comes from the Latin word cultus, which means "care, cultivation, worship". The word first appeared in English in 1617, and comes from the French word culte, which also means "worship".
Yes, as in the original religions (now known as "paganism", they literally cared for their gods by giving them sacrifices. That's also how Christianity started with its Jewish roots, but the twist in Christianity was copying the Hellenistic mystery cults in their sacrificial gods and demigods, allowing the sacrifices to become imaginary rather than physical. That made the cult cheaper to join and therefore more popular.
It's the fault of your Puritan ancestors and the resultant obsession with utopianism and righteousness. We kicked them out centuries ago. You made them the government.
I love it that we don't do god in the UK. I like to think that we are too busy trying to look after each other.
it's well known that when your crazy your unaware of your own condition .
What's a "crazy" and "unaware"?
Fewer of us are religious (less than a half of us are Christians) we're increasingly rational.
Brits have a better grip on reality.
Interesting that last point, because here in the uk we are usually put in a group and forced to do presentations together.
Growing up within a religious cultures can halt your ability to critically think. In Britain we’ve been encouraged to think, be skeptical but certainly not cynical.
Fun fact in Jones town it was actually mostly flavour aid a less popular competing brand
There is also a big difference between Church Schools in the US and 'Church Schools ' in the UK. My School was basically a normal comprehensive with a couple of hours a week of Religious Education (non Catholics were exempt) and the teachers weren't allowed to just praise the Church. I spent too years learning how to dissect parables and allegories and sleeping through Mass on Feast Days. I'm glad I did it though because it lets me year apart the house built on sand that Evangelical types have tried to 'convert' me with.
@@CeiStockport-nx2qi I am an atheist, with atheist/agnostic parents, who went to CofE schools from 5 - 18. I wasn't withdrawn from anything at primary school; at secondary school, my parents told me that I could voluntarily withdraw from anything religious if I wished. We had Religious _Education_ taught by kind and tolerant non-conformist minister. We learnt _about_ many different religions and - importantly! - how they were all interlinked with The Golden Rule. He was also perfectly willing to openly discuss the very many nasty, rotten parts of the OT, and the ridiculously over-controlling patriarchical laws and rules of both old and new testaments. I sang in the school choir - lots of religious stuff! - and have been involved in church choirs and performances of religious music for many years as an adult.
I have always been, and still remain, now approaching 80, an atheist. My education in church schools gave me effective ammunition against the onslaught of bible-thumpers, yet enabled me to have enjoyable, mutually-respectful discussions with educated believers or clerics of different faiths. I was honestly shocked when, in the working world overseas, I first came face to face with US-style evangelism, its aggressively confrontational, grasping modus operandi and its semi-literate but glib-tongued 'preachers'. I made it my business to revise much of what I'd learnt from my dear RE teacher, and extended it, in order to be able to quote verse for verse .... then turn their (tiny) world upside down by revealing the 'truth' - that this biblically-knowledgable, educated-in-early-church-history, articulate English woman, was, horror of horrors, _an admitted atheist!_
schools and employers can be cult like. I've lost count of the times i've got into trouble for questioning things.
I think that most brits(including myself)are too lazy to care about things like cults or to follow random people/leaders on the street
There is a reason why we don't have a Hollywood... There is reason why we don't have guns (btw shot guns are not banned in the UK), there is a reason why we have free healthcare. The UK is certainly not perfect!! but generally, we don't have time or tolerance for foolishness.
The only difference between a cult and a religion is whether or not the leader is still alive
So is sciencetology a cult cause l Ron Hubbard is dead
So you think Scientology is a religion? Interesting.
It's as much a religion as the rest of them
Scientology is indeed a religion by that definition. Don't be mistaken: that doesn't glorify Scientology, it merely exposes all the other religions as nothing more than cults that survived to parasitise modern humans.
i remember when the beckhams told tom cruise to do one when he tried to sign them up for scientology...
If one person believes something that is without evidence they are deluded, if hundreds or thousands they call them cultists, but if millions believe in the same its called religion, the only difference is the numbers
100% agree
The fact that there are around 2000 cults in the UK is absolutely insane since I've never heard of even 1 and I'm 32!
pretty sure the fact that homeschooling is considered normal in the us has alot todo with it.
alot?
@@grahamdhv3812for sure !
@@grahamdhv3812 its alot harder to grow up in a cult and not notice it when you pop out every day to school with other kids that arnt in the cult.
The kids in the uk are already in cults. It's just we call them the mainstream religions. Protestants catholics etc
The only reason I could see myself joining a cult is out of pure curiosity and nosiness LMAOOOO
Or if the cult leaders were hot? Lol
In your final summing up, simply substitute 'optimistic' with 'gullible'.
Brexit, Covid 19 (and how it was handled), The Sun, The Daily Mail. etc
When i was touring the US with a band, our provocative front man would call the crowd out for being a bunch of wankers. The difference between UK & US, he maintains, is that in the UK punter would look around & think, yeah, he's right, but it doesn't apply to me, whereas in the US the crowd would react by thinking 'yeah, I am'
Was it tool by any chance? Remember being called out in London and we're all like "yeah... He probably has a point."
To be honest, I would be surprised if there were 2000 cults in the UK,... people aren't so gullible or easily sucked in over here in the UK... there might be lots of groups, which are probably related to hobby stuff, or environmental causes, or charity type things, but we tend to be more analytical in our thinking as a whole, and don't take things at face value without questioning them, and we all carry a big radar for those people talking Bullsh*t...
So there may be a few Morris dancing troupes around, that may seem a little fanatical, but even they will beat each other up with a stick if someone gets too much!!!... only joking i love a good Morris dance troupe...🤣😂🤣... but our biggest plus for not getting too cultish in the UK, is our ability to see the funny side of things and laugh at ourselves,... and that's a big difference,... we don't have overinflated ego's, and if someone is getting too full of themselves, they will get knocked back... Americans don't like criticism,... but you need criticism sometimes to be able to take a step back, and review things, and sometimes realise that we're not always right...
I know we pay in to the NHS but its still a small amount but luckily to have it. You guys in America you pay crazy money when you to hospital. I remember a American RUclipsr went to Europe had hes hair done and it was still cheaper and gets visit a nother country. ✌️🇬🇧
You only pay into the NHS while you're earning - and even then you have to earn more than a certain amount per month/year before you become eligible. I know this, because I took early retirement, and I can earn up to £200 a week before I would have to pay NHS. This is why I deliberately keep my private pension payouts to a lower amount so I don't trigger the thresholds for tax or NHS. By the way, however much an employee pays in NHS, their employer pays double!
Who pays NHS?
I think our sense of practicality also plays a part in this. Someone comes up to us promising some amazing salvation in a hypothetical life hereafter, and we're much more likely to think "Okay, sounds great, how does that help me, right now in this moment?" Dreams and visions of fantasical tomorrows are much less appealing to us. Honestly, to our own detriment sometimes.
Pledge of allegiance
I thought the Kool Aid was from the Tom Wolfe book. The cordial with psychedelics added, and that wondeful roadsign "No Left Turn Unstoned".
No offence but in America you have to literally pledge to pledge to flag and are raised on the idea that never questioning your leaders is a virtue.
As a Brit it was instilled in me very early on that people who get lonely are the ones who cant stand their own company. that became quite profound in me as I grew up. now when people ask me if i get lonely i say, i dont hate myself that much!
I'm the most interesting person I know !
others might disagree.
@@onecupof_tea although a great sense of humour helps, i think its more the case of not allowing yourself time to get bored!
I am speaking for myself as i can not speak for others opinions or views .
The reason i do not fall for cults as i am a person who does not have beliefs of a faith of any kind or political jargon which i also are cults in my mind as they both tell bs as other strings are pulling them as they are the pr of the cults
they say one thing and do another .
The problem in America is you are a big country with states and have different laws on law and order and the education they choose to give you .
I do not socialize all that much i have traveled the country all over the place been in the army and the cadets before that , i use to socialize ,but i have a young family at the time so work was important to bring the money in and to make sure they have a good education and a start in life .
I will listen to the religions but it does not mean i would join them ,my thoughts is i observe everything not to judge but i know when bs is coming i will either say it or say tata i have other interests to stimulte my brain.
Americans believe they are gonna win the lottery over here we would like to win the lottery
All religious communities are cults🧐
It's just the level of weirdness that's different!
It doesn't even have to be religious. Political systems give rise to cults.
Church in the Uk is for weddings, christenings and funerals for the majority of people other than that not really attended. Could be a history thing as we were religious historically and America is in world terms a teenager.
Because we're not stupid? 🤷♂️🤦♂️
Brexit was stupid
Two words. Brexit farage. I'd have to disagree
@@gregfurey1104 BRexit was never a clut it was a nations issue where the people had to make a decision to either Stay or Leave. Everyone had their reasons for choosing one or the other. There is nothing cultish about us leaving the EU. Some people were happy some where not but we've all adapted and moved on.
Its not tabt we are more guarded we just dont have time for nonesense and when people start chatting nonesense we just dont take them on
Gullible is a word we here in the UK
_not have_ included in our dictionaries.
Nonsense. Brexit.
You certainly write like someone who hasn't opened a dictionary.
I’m a Kiwi and I have travelled to America before. Some of the people I talked to expressed shock that religion isn’t something us Kiwi do. Us Kiwi just don’t have patience for it.
We are not less religious. We just keep it to our selves. Its a private thing. We have a rule at the pub. Dont talk about religion, politics, or "football". The football thing was usually because it was linked to religion.
We are statistically a less religious nation than the US with over 37% of the country identifying as having no religion (and slowly increasing year on year), whilst only around 4% of the US respondents of similar surveys and censuses state the same; it isn't even close, though like the UK the percentage is slowly going up (but slower).
We generally use the term high control group
Must be down to general levels of intelligence!
No mate I would say us Brits are more realistic.
B. R. E. X. I. T. Most. Fell for it. Cause it was written on the side of a big red bus
@@da90sReAlvloc you have commented on almost every comment with Brexit. Yet you don't seem to realise that it was actually more stupid for us to ever join the EU in the first place in the 1970's. The EU is basically a giant cult itself. We join and have to pay millions of our own money to people who create rules and laws that we then have to follow and obey otherwise we will be punished!
Leaving the EU is not the problem. Having the EU exist at all is the problem. If every country left the EU tomorrow then we would all be free to trade with each other independently and each country would be able to prioritise what is best for themselves without billions of £ being wasted every year on lining the pockets of greedy EU politicians who are only interested in themselves.
Us English are not liked by the majority of countries so why would you want to let people who don't even really like us make rules that control our daily lives and then also pay them for doing it? It's stupid and the only people dumb enough to think it's clever are the type of people who would end up in a cult.
@@da90sReAlvlocos this all you can say you've said it numerous times we are well aware of Brexit and we know it was a mistake that we quickly learnt but if that's they only argument you can come up with(quite clearly it is by the number of times you've stated it) then that says it all really doesn't it compared to all the intelligent comments made on here so if I was as ignorant and unintelligent as you I would just not comment,bye bye now take care 😂
America is massive so different groups can get a large following without being mainstream or even legal. Perhaps being so big many feel lost so constantly crave someone to show them the way. Uk is steeped in tradition so we have a more grounded sense of who we are.
I don't know lots of them fell for farage and Brexit,
Why would anyone in their right mind blindly believe what some church wants them to believe??
Couldn’t even tell you a British cult
Any religion in Britain is a cult, numbers just make it a larger cult !
Reform UK, Brexit
Protestantism Catholicism Christianity. All cults but with slightly better pr
Lool watching America has taught most ppl what NOT to do ... lol babylon loool 🐺🦁👑🙌🏼