Toe in is true for rear wheel drive vehicles as under acceleration the front wheels toe out. A front wheel drive vehicle needs to be aligned with a slight amount of toe out as under acceleration the wheels toe in. This is why rwd cars tend to overstear and Fwd tends to understear.
I am seeing this trend more and more. This is NOT an alignment. You are setting the toe, which is the difference in the measurement of the front of the tire to the rear of the tire. Incorrect toe will not cause a “pull to the left or right. Toe out will cause the car to “wander” to the left and right, but will be easier to steer, especially when turning. It also reduces the tendency for the steering to return to center by itself after the turn, and excessive toe out causes excessive tire wear. Toe in reduces the tendency for the car to wander, makes the car harder to turn, but increases the tendency for the steering to return to center. And, like toe out, excessive toe in will cause excessive tire wear. It is camber and cast that determines a pull in to the left or right. Again, just setting the toe is not an alignment. If the toe is out of spec, the car should be inspected by a professional for bent or worn parts. At best setting toe yourself will get you close enough to get you to a shop for a proper alignment, which is camber, caster, and toe settings.
nicely done... second example below realizing the rear wheels arent reliable... :) recently i devised a similar home alignment process... I am not going to video... 1. align steering wheel as rolling to parking 2. tape measure stretched out behind both front wheels 3 second tape behind both rear wheels 4 shoot "laser" from 39 dollar laser from harbor freight and align tape on driverside using an even foot number. 5 walk to pass side and shoot laser across both tapes and determine similar adjustment plus one laser width of toe in... perfect alignment. 6. test drive for satisfaction and repeat as needed. note: a person can use the back tires as a reference to identify the fronts are aligned in a general sense... but as i experienced... there is no call to trust the rear tires as camber can affect how the rears are in comparison to the fronts... trust the tapes laying on the ground over where the laser splashes on the numbers over using distances away from the tires.
First check that the rear wheels are apart the same or more than the front. My Vibe/Matrix has a narrower rear wheel width so the string has to be shimmed outward at the rear first.
@@mikeandrews6265 Of course we are talking about factory ;) you can use camber plates, bolts, shims, etc. but 99% of the alignment shops don't care, or don't have knowledge about it, hence they simply tell you its not adjustable. And average user , don't have yours, or mine knowledge hence they believe, what the shop says.
Yeah...no kidding...I just figured out how to adjust camber at least on my trailblazer...talk about a huge pain in the ass and it’s all take apart, adjust, put back together, drive test it and repeat...bs
It can, but most economy commuter cars these days don't have rear toe adjustment. It come welded form factory. Same with caster and camber. Most cars on the road don't have the bolts to adjust it.
I was waiting for you to mention that toe out is for rear wheel drive cars only and that front wheel drive cars should have toe in. It's a good idea to refer to the manufacturer's recommended setting before making adjustments. I'm not sure what model Audi you're working on, but most are front wheel drive, so you may have incorrectly adjusted the tracking.
Generally it is toe in for rear wheel drive & toe out for front wheel drive. Front wheel drive cars try to toe in under drive so this is counteracted with a bit of toe out. Having said this it is always a good idea to check manufacturers data (as you said).
Well, it depends on several factors on how the steering is setup, front or rear drive. With a front drive, you want a little toe out, because when the front tires torque up, they will have a tendency to toe in from the force of the engine. If you don't have any tie rods to control the position of the front tires, both front tires will fold in towards the front when you try to move forward. On a rear drive, you want a little negative toe, or toe in. Since the drive comes from the rear, the front tires will want to fold back, if there are no tie rods. The idea is that you have to lead the toe a bit. Meaning, if you don't have enough toe in, when you take off from a stop, the steering and suspension will flex just enough to give you a positive or negative toe condition. That's not good for good stable control of the vehicle. Too much positive and it will wander left and right at the least little bump in the road. Too much toe in, the steering could feel heavy, or unresponsive. But it will drive straight easily. With both extremes, comes inside or outside tire wear. Then there's caster and camber angles. While caster, by itself, isn't a tire wearing angle. Camber on the other hand will cause the inside or the outside of the tire to wear prematurely. That being said, caster can accentuate the tire wear pattern. But it's minimal at best.
Not cardboard necissarily, but if you try to adjust the tie rods WITHOUT somebody either holding the steering wheel straight, or homemade turn plates i.e. cardboard (or my personal fave, thick plastic contractors bags folded up a couple times), you are gonna have a bad time. You can also take a wooden or metal dowel that is wider than your car and put it through your front windows and zip tie it to the steering wheel. Wont move at all.
Ha... I do the same thing but with a lot of room to the front I stretch the string out and measure the distance at the front of the car and many feet away... then use trigonometry to figure out the angles (degrees of Toe-in). How many degrees of toe in is 1/16 of an inch? Using trigonometry and the dimensions from your calipers you should be able to figure it out.
I would think wheels that are not pointing straight down the road would wear more due to the increased friction. And if your toy car pulls to the right then its wheels are not aligned properly anyway. Lot of factors not addressed here.
Toe in is true for rear wheel drive vehicles as under acceleration the front wheels toe out. A front wheel drive vehicle needs to be aligned with a slight amount of toe out as under acceleration the wheels toe in. This is why rwd cars tend to overstear and Fwd tends to understear.
Really like this. Other ones I read are so complicated that you do t learn any thing.
Fucking perfect! Now this is how a demo should be , straightforward little talk and examples blam ! . Now my alignment is way way better .
You're awesome..! The way you make it so simple and down to the point..4,5 minute
Video.
You deserve a 🍺
Thank you so very much.!
Yeah thanks to you hopefully I get my back straight cuz I was telling it out instead of him and my steering was all out of whack
*_Got confused on how to align the front wheels of a car. Thanks for the video!_*
Great demonstration with the toy car!
Instead of having someone hold the steering wheel, could I just lock it in centered position ?
My car doesn’t lock in the centre. Actually I can’t remember in the last 20yrs a car I’ve owned locking central. Cheers
I've always take my seat belt and run it through the steering wheel and buckle it . Keeps it from moving 😏
I am seeing this trend more and more. This is NOT an alignment. You are setting the toe, which is the difference in the measurement of the front of the tire to the rear of the tire.
Incorrect toe will not cause a “pull to the left or right.
Toe out will cause the car to “wander” to the left and right, but will be easier to steer, especially when turning. It also reduces the tendency for the steering to return to center by itself after the turn, and excessive toe out causes excessive tire wear.
Toe in reduces the tendency for the car to wander, makes the car harder to turn, but increases the tendency for the steering to return to center. And, like toe out, excessive toe in will cause excessive tire wear.
It is camber and cast that determines a pull in to the left or right.
Again, just setting the toe is not an alignment. If the toe is out of spec, the car should be inspected by a professional for bent or worn parts. At best setting toe yourself will get you close enough to get you to a shop for a proper alignment, which is camber, caster, and toe settings.
nicely done... second example below
realizing the rear wheels arent reliable... :)
recently i devised a similar home alignment process...
I am not going to video...
1. align steering wheel as rolling to parking
2. tape measure stretched out behind both front wheels
3 second tape behind both rear wheels
4 shoot "laser" from 39 dollar laser from harbor freight and align tape on driverside using an even foot number.
5 walk to pass side and shoot laser across both tapes and determine similar adjustment plus one laser width of toe in... perfect alignment.
6. test drive for satisfaction and repeat as needed.
note: a person can use the back tires as a reference to identify the fronts are aligned in a general sense... but as i experienced... there is no call to trust the rear tires as camber can affect how the rears are in comparison to the fronts...
trust the tapes laying on the ground over where the laser splashes on the numbers over using distances away from the tires.
Fourth example. Laser not properly calibrated....
First check that the rear wheels are apart the same or more than the front. My Vibe/Matrix has a narrower rear wheel width so the string has to be shimmed outward at the rear first.
It's all relevant
Let’s all forget about caster and camber right ? Who needs those anyway.
They are not adjustable on most cars anyway ...........................
@@megagips they may not have a factory adjustment but they are adjustable. I been aligning vehicles since 1978, retired in 2012. belive me, I know
@@mikeandrews6265 Of course we are talking about factory ;) you can use camber plates, bolts, shims, etc. but 99% of the alignment shops don't care, or don't have knowledge about it, hence they simply tell you its not adjustable. And average user , don't have yours, or mine knowledge hence they believe, what the shop says.
@@megagips very true,i bet if I pulled into aa alinb. shop with a 67 dodge and watched who was doing it they wound,t even check the torsion bar level
Yeah...no kidding...I just figured out how to adjust camber at least on my trailblazer...talk about a huge pain in the ass and it’s all take apart, adjust, put back together, drive test it and repeat...bs
Sorry i didnt see much of the adjustment with the wenches.
Good teacher
Just a heads up, the rear wheel can have toe in/out as well. Should align with the center of both rims.
I measure from the center of the front and rear wheels to align the strings
It can, but most economy commuter cars these days don't have rear toe adjustment. It come welded form factory.
Same with caster and camber. Most cars on the road don't have the bolts to adjust it.
This is the channel & thinking mind I craved to watch3
How do I align a ford truck with a mono front all that doesn't have individual wheel adjusters?
I only have one question did you have the wheels off the ground while you were doing that alignment thank you
The wheels should be on the ground. If it's too low to get underneath the car you can use some pieces of wood under the tires.
This is awesome. Dude, thank you.
Thats front wheels and hw about rear wheels please ? Ford Transit 20004
What if the rear toe isnt zeroed tho
I will like this video when I fix my alignment.
I was waiting for you to mention that toe out is for rear wheel drive cars only and that front wheel drive cars should have toe in.
It's a good idea to refer to the manufacturer's recommended setting before making adjustments.
I'm not sure what model Audi you're working on, but most are front wheel drive, so you may have incorrectly adjusted the tracking.
Another Guy made a vídeo and Said that Toe out is for front drive cars and Toe in is for rear drive cars Now I got confused.
Generally it is toe in for rear wheel drive & toe out for front wheel drive. Front wheel drive cars try to toe in under drive so this is counteracted with a bit of toe out. Having said this it is always a good idea to check manufacturers data (as you said).
Well, it depends on several factors on how the steering is setup, front or rear drive. With a front drive, you want a little toe out, because when the front tires torque up, they will have a tendency to toe in from the force of the engine. If you don't have any tie rods to control the position of the front tires, both front tires will fold in towards the front when you try to move forward. On a rear drive, you want a little negative toe, or toe in. Since the drive comes from the rear, the front tires will want to fold back, if there are no tie rods. The idea is that you have to lead the toe a bit. Meaning, if you don't have enough toe in, when you take off from a stop, the steering and suspension will flex just enough to give you a positive or negative toe condition. That's not good for good stable control of the vehicle. Too much positive and it will wander left and right at the least little bump in the road. Too much toe in, the steering could feel heavy, or unresponsive. But it will drive straight easily. With both extremes, comes inside or outside tire wear. Then there's caster and camber angles. While caster, by itself, isn't a tire wearing angle. Camber on the other hand will cause the inside or the outside of the tire to wear prematurely. That being said, caster can accentuate the tire wear pattern. But it's minimal at best.
So this is what my car shop was gonna charge $65 to fix?
Not at all...this is just a basic diy version....not even accurate....but functional
Do you need to park on cardboard so you can move the tires easier?
Not cardboard necissarily, but if you try to adjust the tie rods WITHOUT somebody either holding the steering wheel straight, or homemade turn plates i.e. cardboard (or my personal fave, thick plastic contractors bags folded up a couple times), you are gonna have a bad time.
You can also take a wooden or metal dowel that is wider than your car and put it through your front windows and zip tie it to the steering wheel. Wont move at all.
Just fine is great.
Some cars have a toe in on the rear axle wheels, ergo, you will not be able to get your datum line off the rear wheels..
That's just for the toe?
my car has toe-in of 4mm , is this okay?
toe is measured in degrees
with that being sayed, 4mn seems like a lot (1/4") !
@@glasser2819 Wrong. 4mm is 0.15748", 1/8" is 0.125". I would say that 4mm is within specs.
I feel it is within specs. I'm sure you don't have any problem with excess tire wear.
Lol just got estimation for wheels aliments and one tire Over 950$ hurt my feeling
Asked for adjustments and tire ! I will get my car back tomorrow 😂😂
Jesus Christ. 950$? The mechanic must hate you or something.
You should of showed how to do the alignment. That would of been helpful
can i use tree branches, twigs or lollipop sticks to align my car? (Audi S3 turbo).
Hi, but a good day today.
Ha... I do the same thing but with a lot of room to the front I stretch the string out and measure the distance at the front of the car and many feet away... then use trigonometry to figure out the angles (degrees of Toe-in). How many degrees of toe in is 1/16 of an inch? Using trigonometry and the dimensions from your calipers you should be able to figure it out.
Overly complex.
@@rainbowbunchie8237 probably for someone that drives on shot bushings and all the other alignments way out of spec.
I would think wheels that are not pointing straight down the road would wear more due to the increased friction. And if your toy car pulls to the right then its wheels are not aligned properly anyway. Lot of factors not addressed here.
"perpendicular to the wheel!" You mean parallel!
That is not front end alignment. Only toe.
Might want to show a tie rod so people know what they are screwing in and out, but it all makes sense.
You can find everywhere on you tube
1/16” each side is 1/8” overall…. Too much!
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You better stick to your toys.