Ableton Live's "textures" warping algorithm can accomplish a very similar effect by lowering "flux" to 0 & adjusting the "grains" setting, which you can also automate!
That’s what i usually use. It’s not exactly the same but it’s close :) The best way to get consistent drum hits is to bounce out different versions with different pitch and grain settings
Top vid man, iI did a vid on this last year comparing it with the actual hardware, and it sounded pretty close! Have you seen the RX950 Plug in ? Another interesting AKAI plug in. PS Keep up the good work!
I used this on the break when I recreated the Long dark remix of Valley... inspired by your rebuild of the original. That remix has some variations of the break that had that metallic AKAI sound similar to the intro of Slipmatt - Breaking Free
I used that old akai sampler once years ago. To sample and edit anything took for ever and you could fit 1 or 2 samples onto the flopy discs which weren't actually flopy.
I love the akiza , I have used it for years . It's spot on . The cycle parameter is so close to the real thing. I like to use the lower cycles on breakbeat kicks to get a real comb sound . I have made some great pads also using the akiza and also the paul stretch in audacity which is another free handy tool. Another Fantastic tutorial stranjah :)
Absolutely wicked video as always, man. I just sold my S2000 cause it didn't fit my workflow, but have been using Akaizer for years. :) Just recently started using a Kurzweil K2000R which I love so far. It's a lot more intuitive for me vs the Akai, but I'm also using it differently than I would the Akai. Different strokes and all. Big respects!
YES! Nice! I always think the neurobass you hear today is the pitched up version of that Amen break through that original Akai. Crazy how the sample sound evolved into people trying to recreate it with synth and then to eventually replace it..
The Akaizer is missing one thing those time stretches had, they were being roasted on the samplers inputs and that gain helped bring a lot of character harmonically in the stretches, I still use the akai s2000/s3000 sampler for this function for breaks, other than that, the plugin will get you damn close, great vid, respect.
So, for this I use Akaizer to create the audio then process with a combo of either Tal Sampler, Tal DAC, or RX950, into Fabfilter Saturn or Blackbox. You can approximate some classic sounds pretty well. Nothing replaces my old Emu E6400, but this gets real close and there are plenty of advantages to in the box methods.
You're right, I still use an S3200XL and what you say plus the filters are the only reasons that I still use it. Nothing I've heard in a DAW or a VST sounds as good to my ears. I suppose that's why people still rate them.
For me in the early 1990's to get that time stretch sound I was using the Commodore Amiga and OctaMed, I'm pretty sure plenty of other Junglists were also....... Aphrodite to name just one.
Awesome stuff!!! Can you show us how to make these teknoid Darkstep rollers like SPL - Sober, Raiden - LHC, Cooh - Mirror, Hostage - Oval, Nufojah - Feed the Cables? THX
Dude this is so sick, I've used many slicing plugins but this one sounds great. I'm trying to produce more neuro minimal stuff right now, but I bloody love amen fills just at the end of the phrase. I've used ring modulation to really make the amen ring like a bell. It's weird but cool. Thanks for your vids mate. Also I'm experimenting with a bass station ii, sampling bass sweeps with manual filter cutoff, or automating with an envelope controller. Also you can input audio through the analog filter section, and mash up breaks and synth leads. Do you use much analog stuff, think it's worth it? I can hear a nice midrange crunch when I resample through the filter, sounds nice on high leads like old c4c style.
hey stranjah great video! i'll be checking this application out thanks :+). i was just curious though, what are the advantages of slicing up the amen in midi as opposed to audio? big thanks!!!
..awesome tutorial..I only have one question..I didnt understand why you didnt use timestretch on the original unstreched amen, but one the timestreched ones..whats exactly the reason behind it..I get the point not using it on the original one bacause of the possible artifacts..would be apreciated for that info :-)
You can actually use the warp markers to achieve the same result as manually cutting it up: use Beat mode and use the single pass method (one arrow forward with the line at the end). Great tutorial nonetheless!
This, I've done this with Live for years, all of the transformer sounding varients from old school jungle can be done using the beats mode and changing the quantization and then pulling back the amount!
Nice videos man. I appreciate the knowledge you share. Just learned about the akaiser from Ed Solo myself but have not downloaded or played with it yet.
sick app but only one thing do you run it on a 32 bit ?? it seems that I doesn't work on my Mac OS 64 bit (so many ideas and energy adhd from this video and no where to go ) luck is not with me LOL,tried it on a Akai Force but no luck either .But I do have the force whaha. no serous is there a other way??
Sounds a lot like the detuning capabilities on the Electribe ES1! I usually sample the break into the ES1, set the BPM to 170 then manually tune the break so it fits the time of the loop. Pretty oldschool but produces a really cool metallic sound! I haven't noticed it much on the MPC2500 (I guess I'm usually slowing stuff down on the MPC!) It would be cool if you could automate the cycle length of the Akaiser for build ups
I can't figure out how to download the Akaizer, it is taking me to a drive link that will not work and does not say why. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
i woke up it is also possible in Ableton no need the app for the people on a 64 bit Go to sample set to warp Hit*2 set beats to texture flux 0.0 play with grain size and transpose +15, or more just a tip don't wanna be a smart ass but I know some people wanna do this too on a 64 bit who don't know
Heyy man i love all your videos , i'm having a problem streaming ableton into obs. I am not sure how it all works i can get one track live in using my mic, but when i attempt to do a second track the sound gets all crazy and static like insane. , also i cannot understand how to get asio to work i'm such an ableton noob still i can do basic stuff but using it live thru obs is really hard , the new versions of OBS do not allow you to chose asio as a source anymore. so there really are no recent tutorials on how to do this. i have been searching all week online , everyone just talks about the older obs how you can choose ASIO from the source menu, i am not sure how to get this to work Or how to stream multiple instruments live. I want to be able to stream my guitar and mic, and keyboard into ableton. then into OBS for live streaming.. no one's video's on youtube are helping me... if u could make a video on that stuff. you would be an angel... thanks bro
It's also possible replicate this effect in Vital, i've found an entire bank filled with amens and it's crazy af! i'm trying to make some presets with my own patterns but it's not so simple.. To me.
The developer of this has stopped working on it. It’s only 32 bit so will eventually stop working on modern systems, and I can see so many more features and conveniences that could be added. He says on the blog that he isn’t open to handing it over to someone else to work on. Maybe with your involvement we could convince him to hand his baby over to someone who would look after it? I’m a Software Engineer and would be interested in helping out.
I have an entire Ableton project with a drum rack for playing live jungle breaks....completely updated to OS X Catalina and now that project won't even open with that specific 32-bit plugin....So frustrating. I thought the 32/64-bit plugin bridges would work. Nope. Please, help get this to a 64-bit version?
Problem is it’s not 64 bit so doesn’t work with updated Mac OS. There is a similar effect now in Logic Pro with time stretching but it’s not the classic original
Really cool but man I wish there was a version that I could run on my MacOS :p ( Catalina 10.15.7 ) Gonna try out Dinosaurs Hunters advice listed below using Ableton Texture in the meantime. Thanks again tho dude!
@@STRANJAH I lost an entire project with a playable drum rack of custom breaks to do live...it won't even open with the damn plugin in the project. I updated to Catalina thinking my 32/64 bit bridge would work...nope.
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Local junglists in YOUR area make MASSIVE tunes using this one weird trick... you WON’T BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENS NEXT! ;)
hot russian junglists :)
In 2050 we’re going to be uploading our Jungle tracks in 480p
I’m trying to get that 2009 RUclips tutorial atmosphere
Ableton Live's "textures" warping algorithm can accomplish a very similar effect by lowering "flux" to 0 & adjusting the "grains" setting, which you can also automate!
That’s what i usually use. It’s not exactly the same but it’s close :) The best way to get consistent drum hits is to bounce out different versions with different pitch and grain settings
tx
Glad someone mentioned this 🙏
Sound on Sound made a video showing Pete Cannons akai production method he explains this timestretch in detail.
that documentary is so good, it's a cultural artefact imo, given the insights into technique he shares in that piece.
best sounding most creative sampler ive used by far, thanks
Been using this for YEARS. Many of my tracks have drum loops processed with this very tool. ;)
Yes, I probably first heard of this tool from you, so thank you!
Could have done with this years ago. Used to be able to do it in cubase sx3
Thanks Stranjah ! I've been waiting for this one.
Hope you like it!
🖐 Have you ever used a hardware vintage sampler? Which one? 😀
I got an akai s2000 that should actually be coming in the post today
I literally can’t wait to use it!
akai mpc 1000, or its not vintage enough 🤕
An A600. Doing a Bongo or Conga Breaks vid soon mate?
Akai S900 & Mpc 1000
@@georgeespley9177 Wow!
Ahhh cutting up breaks in audio....love it. This is what we live for ! :D Great video as per usual bro
This would be a great use case for the new "take lanes" that Live added.
Loving the rasta color scheme on the clips! Great tutorial as always big ups Stranjah 😄
Top vid man, iI did a vid on this last year comparing it with the actual hardware, and it sounded pretty close! Have you seen the RX950 Plug in ? Another interesting AKAI plug in. PS Keep up the good work!
Broke this badboy out on a tune just yesterday!
Nice
That's gold! Thank you for sharing!
how did I not know about this!! Thanks bruv!
One of the best tool for breaks. Sounds awesome on vocals too. Cool vid, nice to see Jungle production content. Big up!
Yes bruv! Chopping every single break every time is also key for perfect DJ double drops when playin final tunes as well... Biggups!
Thanks for sharing this! Great tutorial!! Well done!
I used this on the break when I recreated the Long dark remix of Valley... inspired by your rebuild of the original. That remix has some variations of the break that had that metallic AKAI sound similar to the intro of Slipmatt - Breaking Free
Yup dope
your channel is amazing.
Very cool. I was unaware. I'll be using this with hip hop. Thx
Nice one stranj
Thanks for the awesome tutorial! I’ve always loved the "singing Amen breaks".
Love this tool. Wish it was a VST with automation
Remember dj and producer on the ps1. That was my capability 😂 my mate used q bass and fruit loops he made boss music. Nice little tip by the way on ak
I used that old akai sampler once years ago. To sample and edit anything took for ever and you could fit 1 or 2 samples onto the flopy discs which weren't actually flopy.
I love the akiza , I have used it for years . It's spot on . The cycle parameter is so close to the real thing. I like to use the lower cycles on breakbeat kicks to get a real comb sound . I have made some great pads also using the akiza and also the paul stretch in audacity which is another free handy tool. Another Fantastic tutorial stranjah :)
Love your renegade snares remake!
@@dijem thankyou mate really appreciated:)
your content is consistently awesome, really enjoyed this one too
Thanks again Stranjah!! This is great with some rudeboy vocals to really get that jungle feeling.
Absolutely wicked video as always, man. I just sold my S2000 cause it didn't fit my workflow, but have been using Akaizer for years. :)
Just recently started using a Kurzweil K2000R which I love so far. It's a lot more intuitive for me vs the Akai, but I'm also using it differently than I would the Akai. Different strokes and all.
Big respects!
Interseting man, have heard number of producers use Kurzweil, a name we don't hear much often today!
This is sick! thanks for sharing it!!
love the videos man thank you
Metallica: We want to do something origingal, something that has never been done
Every DnB Producer: Amen!
YES! Nice! I always think the neurobass you hear today is the pitched up version of that Amen break through that original Akai. Crazy how the sample sound evolved into people trying to recreate it with synth and then to eventually replace it..
The Akaizer is missing one thing those time stretches had, they were being roasted on the samplers inputs and that gain helped bring a lot of character harmonically in the stretches, I still use the akai s2000/s3000 sampler for this function for breaks, other than that, the plugin will get you damn close, great vid, respect.
that why you use the RX950 vst and some good SAT emulator
So, for this I use Akaizer to create the audio then process with a combo of either Tal Sampler, Tal DAC, or RX950, into Fabfilter Saturn or Blackbox. You can approximate some classic sounds pretty well. Nothing replaces my old Emu E6400, but this gets real close and there are plenty of advantages to in the box methods.
You're right, I still use an S3200XL and what you say plus the filters are the only reasons that I still use it. Nothing I've heard in a DAW or a VST sounds as good to my ears. I suppose that's why people still rate them.
@@adamsmith7058 bro i been doing the same RX950 n Fabfilter Saturn work wonders with it
For me in the early 1990's to get that time stretch sound I was using the Commodore Amiga and OctaMed, I'm pretty sure plenty of other Junglists were also....... Aphrodite to name just one.
I had a Virtual machine with Windows XP running AKAIZER works nice a that way!
Jah know your big tip, re-listen my heads✝️
Awesome stuff!!! Can you show us how to make these teknoid Darkstep rollers like SPL - Sober, Raiden - LHC, Cooh - Mirror, Hostage - Oval, Nufojah - Feed the Cables? THX
Wicked as usual, and thats free!
Love free tools!
Great channel!
Jah know ya big!!!😍
Thanks ! I just heard Aries talking about this on the TC interview
aww man, you told everyone the modern secret, ;) its a god send
Dude this is so sick, I've used many slicing plugins but this one sounds great.
I'm trying to produce more neuro minimal stuff right now, but I bloody love amen fills just at the end of the phrase. I've used ring modulation to really make the amen ring like a bell. It's weird but cool. Thanks for your vids mate.
Also I'm experimenting with a bass station ii, sampling bass sweeps with manual filter cutoff, or automating with an envelope controller. Also you can input audio through the analog filter section, and mash up breaks and synth leads.
Do you use much analog stuff, think it's worth it? I can hear a nice midrange crunch when I resample through the filter, sounds nice on high leads like old c4c style.
Yes this would be great for some interesting fills
Finally! The Kaizer of Amens! :D
Yes like the sound of that!
vengeance timefreeze does this wonderfully too
hey stranjah great video! i'll be checking this application out thanks :+). i was just curious though, what are the advantages of slicing up the amen in midi as opposed to audio? big thanks!!!
It’s a preference thing
I prefer working with audio but some prefer midi
@@georgeespley9177 thanks for the reply!
..awesome tutorial..I only have one question..I didnt understand why you didnt use timestretch on the original unstreched amen, but one the timestreched ones..whats exactly the reason behind it..I get the point not using it on the original one bacause of the possible artifacts..would be apreciated for that info :-)
Ow Mann I was thinking about setting back up my AKI 1000
oooh
Is this available for Mac ?
You can actually use the warp markers to achieve the same result as manually cutting it up: use Beat mode and use the single pass method (one arrow forward with the line at the end). Great tutorial nonetheless!
Ahh I learn something new!
This, I've done this with Live for years, all of the transformer sounding varients from old school jungle can be done using the beats mode and changing the quantization and then pulling back the amount!
That thing is great fun.
Yeah love the results!
if you use the "texture" warp option, set the grain accordingly and then halve the time etc you get the same effect inside abes.
I've been using output portal to do this, sounds pretty much the same but you can automate it too
One of my favorite tools :)
Awesome thing!
Do the A/B testing
DAW stretching vs Akaizer at least.
True I hadn't thought of that, nxt time!
that's a cool tool!
Nice videos man. I appreciate the knowledge you share. Just learned about the akaiser from Ed Solo myself but have not downloaded or played with it yet.
sick app but only one thing do you run it on a 32 bit ?? it seems that I doesn't work on my Mac OS 64 bit (so many ideas and energy adhd from this video and no where to go ) luck is not with me LOL,tried it on a Akai Force but no luck either .But I do have the force whaha. no serous is there a other way??
Sounds a lot like the detuning capabilities on the Electribe ES1! I usually sample the break into the ES1, set the BPM to 170 then manually tune the break so it fits the time of the loop. Pretty oldschool but produces a really cool metallic sound! I haven't noticed it much on the MPC2500 (I guess I'm usually slowing stuff down on the MPC!) It would be cool if you could automate the cycle length of the Akaiser for build ups
Is that a corduroy 5 panel? ps always thought jungle was done in pc mod tracker software.
Nothing linked to the video but i just want to say how great the gnarly pack is!
I can't figure out how to download the Akaizer, it is taking me to a drive link that will not work and does not say why. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
i woke up it is also possible in Ableton no need the app for the people on a 64 bit Go to sample set to warp Hit*2 set beats to texture flux 0.0 play with grain size and transpose +15, or more just a tip don't wanna be a smart ass but I know some people wanna do this too on a 64 bit who don't know
Can't download a working version of Akaizer anymore :( Any other techniques to create this sound?
Does anyone have some suggestions of artist who use this technique?
That youth (13) Ollie B on the Bizzy B Amen Therapy Sessions seems to draw for some new dark amens, seriously I’ve been an amen head for 31 years😂
Great tip - got really excited about this, but went to download and saw that it's not supported on my machine or OS now. (Catalina) Absolutely gutted.
wicked!
Now the secret is out!
I just downloaded this yesterday😂
yeah man u know
The RX950 plugin is also nice
Havn't heard of that one, will check!
I wasn't aware this actually did the timestretching. I thought it only emulated the 12 bit converters.
It is just the converters. And doesnt do the time stretching. Just another nice tool for getting a vintage Akai sound
I have been meaning to play with RX950. Its currently only £12.50, will gave it a try.
I tried to download and use the akaizer for mac... it made out like it was too old to work! :(
what alternative to akaizer for mac os monterey can you recommend?
Was goldie one the first to use this?
Thx for all your tips and link for Akaizer. When i try to install Akaizer, it said that it need an update. is it normal? Many Thx
That is odd, should not be
Akaizer doesn't work with Big Sur, any recommendations for other apps?
Hmm I forget, try asking my Discord community
Anyone know where you can get a version of this on Mac? Pretty sure it's discountiued.
Heyy man i love all your videos , i'm having a problem streaming ableton into obs. I am not sure how it all works i can get one track live in using my mic, but when i attempt to do a second track the sound gets all crazy and static like insane. , also i cannot understand how to get asio to work i'm such an ableton noob still i can do basic stuff but using it live thru obs is really hard , the new versions of OBS do not allow you to chose asio as a source anymore. so there really are no recent tutorials on how to do this. i have been searching all week online , everyone just talks about the older obs how you can choose ASIO from the source menu, i am not sure how to get this to work Or how to stream multiple instruments live. I want to be able to stream my guitar and mic, and keyboard into ableton. then into OBS for live streaming.. no one's video's on youtube are helping me... if u could make a video on that stuff. you would be an angel... thanks bro
Should set an input directly from your audio card. Make sure your buffer amount can handle it
Doesn't look like the mac version of the app is compatible with Big Sur :(
loved using akaizer :( but then updated to Catalina and since it no longer works :(
I wish the Akaizer app was compatible with newer 64 bit Macs :(
Is there a link 2 buy for pc. Link in description doesn't have a buy option
It’s free
@@STRANJAH i got it thanks.
is it possible to do something similar with just ableton? I know it can do time factor and transpose. but what does cycle length do?
You can, but i think the sound will be slightly different
Try grain size
Reeeeaaallllyyyyy ggoooooooddddd!
Sadly they stopped support for it. It's not available for MacOS 11 and up.
Great for people who want to make music that sounds like something you've heard before!
It's also possible replicate this effect in Vital, i've found an entire bank filled with amens and it's crazy af! i'm trying to make some presets with my own patterns but it's not so simple.. To me.
ive been trying to make new styles of jungle
Unexpectedly usuful information. Taking me back 20 years. Glad to have some resurgence of classic ideas.
Glad you enjoyed the vintage techniuqes!
The developer of this has stopped working on it. It’s only 32 bit so will eventually stop working on modern systems, and I can see so many more features and conveniences that could be added. He says on the blog that he isn’t open to handing it over to someone else to work on. Maybe with your involvement we could convince him to hand his baby over to someone who would look after it?
I’m a Software Engineer and would be interested in helping out.
Cool proposition.
@@STRANJAH hit me up on Discord if you’re interested :) I’ve been thinking about approaching him for a while
I have an entire Ableton project with a drum rack for playing live jungle breaks....completely updated to OS X Catalina and now that project won't even open with that specific 32-bit plugin....So frustrating. I thought the 32/64-bit plugin bridges would work. Nope. Please, help get this to a 64-bit version?
Problem is it’s not 64 bit so doesn’t work with updated Mac OS. There is a similar effect now in Logic Pro with time stretching but it’s not the classic original
what effect is that??
clasic
the plugin doesn't work on new macs :c
It’s a proper pain in the arse that it only comes in 32 bit
Really cool but man I wish there was a version that I could run on my MacOS :p ( Catalina 10.15.7 ) Gonna try out Dinosaurs Hunters advice listed below using Ableton Texture in the meantime. Thanks again tho dude!
Didn't know there would be issues with Mac, sorry to hear that
@@STRANJAH I lost an entire project with a playable drum rack of custom breaks to do live...it won't even open with the damn plugin in the project. I updated to Catalina thinking my 32/64 bit bridge would work...nope.
Does anyone know how to get this working on big sur?