There is one thing that is defenately overlooked using the stable release, like Johnson does. There is not any timing what so ever in the sense of closing the clubhead to impact. It only relates to the amount of rotation in his shoulders and using really, really passive hands and not to try crossing nor anything else. The flat to bowed forward hand at the top is basically taking all hand action off the downswing. And if you wish to fire the ball at max speed off the tee, that is a huge benefit. Just keep those fists moving around without any twiddling with your forearms or wrists.
Thanks again guys for another great video! You guys have helped me tremendously over the last 8 months. I went from a 26.6 handicap to a 13.1. I have been shooting in the mid to low 80's lately. Last week I shot my best score ever, a 73. Recently I picked up a slice with my driver and this video may have helped. I think it is my wrist cock. My left wrist at the top of the swing is cocked into an open position. This week I'll work on fixing it. I practice and play 3 days a week. Thanks again, Sean
Thank you guys for the explanation. I am a 36 year old ex baseball player in my first full season of learning golf. Many folks tell my I have one of the prettiest swings they have seen but my game is terrible. I have had a terrible push slice with all clubs but its much worse with the driver. After watching this video, I went to the range and hit 3 buckets of balls with a bowed left wrist. This immediately solved the slice on my driver. I played a round today and shot my first legit birdie and increased my driver average from 205 to 260. I hit 66% of my fairways. I am still trying to dial in this technique with my irons but I couldn't be happier with the step shift improvement that the bowed left wrist has given me. I start my swing by firing my left knee followed by hip rotation. This generates a lot of natural lag. At impact, the cupped wrist hinge was making my club head be wide open at impact. The bowed left wrist allows me to have heavy lag with a square club face without any quick corrective wrist effort at impact. I wanted to share this with you guys. I have watched every youtube video for "curing the slice" and tried every technique. This is the first one that made any difference and 100% cured my driver slice. Thanks for the time you take to make these videos. They help a lot of people like me who have families, demanding jobs, and lack the time for endless lessons. Kudos to you!
Great review Guys !!! Yes, "strong grip swings" are athletic and extremely powerful, with a lot of control - as long as the lower body moves quickly on the down swing. The lower body cannot be slow like conventional swings. At the top of the back swing, the lower body will drop into a powerful seated position, pushing down to the ground and starting the hip rotation, help by the left foot rolling to the side helping the hip turn, with most of the body's weight on the ball of the right foot pushing the ground. It is this lower body rotation that is pulling the torso and the arm down as the hands keep the powerful angle (the lag) and release through impact. If you swing like a whip, as someone stated, all that stored up power is lost, you end up flipping the club, thus the hands swing past the body, its one big mess and you might as well take up bowling. I'm 47 and have be using the strong grip style swing for about 7yrs, based on the teachings of fellow Hawaiian Kelvin Miyahira, but also I've learn a ton from Lucas Wald, an expert in swing science, who by the way can practice what he teaches.
I've only been playing for two years now. I played baseball for 11. And I shot a 70 2 days ago. I played with Corey pavin Tom Lehman and brad faxon and they said I could go pro. I have never had a coach do you think I should. I've made it this far without one. Love your videos. Keep producing.
Thank you so much for all of your guys' help! I do have one question. I began golfing about 5 months ago and felt like I would be a natural. However, the more I analyzed my swing, especially with the driver, the more my swing would fall apart. I have been really focusing on getting my hips moving first, but I sometimes feel like this gets me hung up behind the ball and I end up either skying my shot or slicing it. Sometimes when I just feel the swing start with my arms, I am able to hit it further and much more straight. I wonder if I am outrunning the club with my hip speed and attacking the ball from the outside? Is there a good checkpoint for your hips in relation to the shaft at impact I can focus on to ensure the timing is correct? You guys are awesome!!!
Thanks guys. Love your practical approach /realistic approach for the average golfer. Just one thing, if you struggle from a slice. Would it not be a good idea to have a slight bent wrist? Thanks Martin
Hello, I am wondering if I should try the bowed wrist as Dustin Johnson does if I also use a similar strong grip. I am not sure whether I should change to neutral of do it as DJ's way
The wrist action in question is described in great detail in Ben Hogan's book. A lot of people say that's the trick to his swing. Takes some mastering. Most people overthink golf and fail to pay attention to what they're doing or make changes to it. Quit trying to start over and mirror others. Go with feels right and make minor adjustments till you improve. Oh and practice.
Great video, guys! I've been using your videos to improve my ball striking. I used to shank and slice, now I hit the ball more square on the club face. However, now my problem is that I'm pulling and hooking my bad shots. The club speed comment intrigued me, when I video my swing I notice I am pretty slow. Could this be the reason I'm hitting those pull and hook shots? Any ways for me to get the ball straighter without falling back into my shank/slice days?
Hi, when should the left wrist break down? as it should be flat or bowed through impact. Iv'e thought of using a comb under my watch strap to keep my wrist flat.
Struck my irons well but struggled with an overswing especially with woods and I hit my driver awfully so many hooks and snap hooks how can I prevent these things? great videos keep it up
Any tips for getting a higher launch out of a driver? I play a strong grip and have a pretty solid amount of rotation. I prefer a straight to draw ball flight but can only take driver over trees if I play a 20+ yard cut. I play a Cleveland Classic XL set at 11.5 loft
Hi Andy and Piers. I’ve actually just adjusted my cupped hand to more of a bowed hand and honestly it instantly made a difference (only on the drive though) because that’s the area I wanted to adjust. After practicing with this bowed hand I hit my first drive and it was the furthest and straightest drive. Hit another 20 and I got more of the same, I’ve tried to eliminate my slice for years and this is the only tip I’ve implemented that has given me instant results. What are your thoughts on that? Joe
Hey guys. I often find myself hitting irons well and woods poorly, or woods well and irons poorly, obviously falling into a mental/physical trap of being unable to swing the same swing regardless of club selection. Any tips/drills you would recommend to stay consistent with swing when changing between irons and woods? Thanks!
So I've been watching videos of DJ, Bryson, Jordan Spieth, Tony Finau, Brooks Koepka, and a few others. I've noticed that they seem to have either a bowed left wrist at the top or a bowed left wrist at impact. Can you comment on that? Thank You.
I have had lesson upon lesson and I always find myself going back to using a bowed wrist. When I have a neutral wrist I tend of release the club way early and I go right quite a bit and hit fat shots. Fade real bad with a driver. But with a bowed wrist I hit it straight or left. More straight than left. With the bowed wrist I feel locked in and can hold that position through impact and release perfectly. Less to think about in my swing because my wrists are already in position.
Guys, I tend to lose my height on my downswing sometimes resulting in a fat shot and me to sky it. Also is there anyway to increase my shoulder turn ? any tips or drills to help me thanks
got 4 pars in the same round. normally i get a par once every 4 rounds. i got par on 2 par 3's a par 4 and a par 5. did a 160 yd approch shot to 10 feet from hole. last 20 yards were water gap.
With respect, I think you're wrong. He doesn't have nearly as much 'wrist bow' or 'closed face' as you suggest. While he does rotate his hips fast, the main reason for distance is that his hit is very late and his right elbow is deep into his midriff. Club head speed is created with the hands, through arm strength, and if you have any doubt just look at Rory McIlroy who has relatively little hip rotation.
+Peter Kelly Hi Peter. Thanks for the comment. The main reason Dustin has to keep his right arm tight is due to his "closed" club face at the top. He generates his power from the ground up as he is a very good all round athlete. Speed is generated from the ground up being able to transfer energy through one segment of the body to another then to the golf club. Rory Mcilroy doesn't have much hip turn in the back swing but what he does do is rotate his hips unbelievable fast in the down swing (faster than the majority on tour). This is how he creates so much speed. Research "kinematic sequence". This will give you more information on how we use the body to create speed.
+Meandmygolf Perhaps I expressed myself badly. The nature of club head speed is far more to do with the hand action, whipping through exactly like cracking a whip. Certainly, leg, hip, torso, and shoulder action is a large part (we are all connected, rather than separate bits and pieces!), but without the strength of the hands to whip the clubhead through, all the hip movement in the world will mean diddly-squat.
+Peter Kelly Whipping the clubhead through impact with the hands will add loft and create more spin, ultimately losing distance. You should definitely research Kelvin Miyahira's content, he explains it better than I can
+Peter Kelly I'm pretty sure you are wrong in your analysis on Dustin's swing. I'm glad your theory works for you though. I have very slightly bowed left wrist on top of my back swing. Very subtle though. But I make sure I come down with my left wrist in the same shape so the handle is ahead of the ball at impact like Andy and Piers explained. But I never feel that I have to have the hand action or the strength of the hands and arms like you said. The whipping doesn't come from those for me but it comes from right initiation of downswing. Then I just release my hands and arms w/o forcing them too much. The whipping you feel comes naturally from the lag you have as you release it and the lag for me comes from heading the butt of the club toward the ball at the beginning of the down swing. You never manipulate your hands to shape the swing path or club head as far as you have correct initiation of lagging and downswing. You probably have to manipulate or force your hands a lot either because you try to maintain your lag too long that you have to force your hands to turn or because your body (shoulders and hips) don't turn so well that you have to compensate with your wrists. Well just one man's opinion...
You've got yourself confused between the terminology and what actually happens: You don't 'release your hands and arms' at all. All movement (and much of remaining stationary) comes from muscle action. There will be some that follows quite naturally, or even by necessity after another action, but it is all muscle powered. To do something quicker, by definition, needs stronger muscles. You may well be able to replicate Dustin Johnson's swing, but I can absolutely guarantee that your clubhead will not be moving as fast. Your expression 'maintaining a lag too long', goes to the heart of it. Dustin Johnson can keep his as late as he does simply because he is strong enough to do so. Too much of the golf swing and the difference between the top pros and us mere mortals is wrapped up in meaningless mumbo-jumbo and expressions without any understanding of physiology and I'm afraid you've been misled.
This is bs. He's not rotating his body hard it's just unwinding bc he has so much turn. Also if any amateur had this "shut" face at the top it would point left at the bottom bc of the over the top swing. Dustin planes the club correctly and actually loses some wrist angle on the way down to meet the ball squarely. Why do you think many of the great ball strikers have a bowed a straight left wrist at the top
You guys are clueless! Dustin Johnson's closed clubface at the end-backswing position (due to left wrist bowing) does not deloft his clubface near impact. In fact, his clubface is open relative to the ball-target line as he nears impact - and he needs more left forearm supination (than usual) in order to square the clubface by impact and avoid push-slices. See - perfectgolfswingreview.net/DJMove.html
This weekend I shot a nett 59 and broke my personal best. Just like to thank you guys because your videos played a huge part.
There is one thing that is defenately overlooked using the stable release, like Johnson does.
There is not any timing what so ever in the sense of closing the clubhead to impact. It only relates to the amount of rotation in his shoulders and using really, really passive hands and not to try crossing nor anything else.
The flat to bowed forward hand at the top is basically taking all hand action off the downswing. And if you wish to fire the ball at max speed off the tee, that is a huge benefit. Just keep those fists moving around without any twiddling with your forearms or wrists.
Thanks again guys for another great video! You guys have helped me tremendously over the last 8 months. I went from a 26.6 handicap to a 13.1. I have been shooting in the mid to low 80's lately. Last week I shot my best score ever, a 73. Recently I picked up a slice with my driver and this video may have helped. I think it is my wrist cock. My left wrist at the top of the swing is cocked into an open position. This week I'll work on fixing it. I practice and play 3 days a week. Thanks again, Sean
Great work Sean. Well done. Glad to help. It's so important to work on the right things also. Jus let us know if we can help.
This is your best video you have made
Broke 40 for the first time in 3 years on a 9 hole course par 36. I love your videos and using some of your techniques. Thank you from Oregon
Great work. keep it up!
Thank you guys for the explanation.
I am a 36 year old ex baseball player in my first full season of learning golf. Many folks tell my I have one of the prettiest swings they have seen but my game is terrible. I have had a terrible push slice with all clubs but its much worse with the driver. After watching this video, I went to the range and hit 3 buckets of balls with a bowed left wrist. This immediately solved the slice on my driver. I played a round today and shot my first legit birdie and increased my driver average from 205 to 260. I hit 66% of my fairways. I am still trying to dial in this technique with my irons but I couldn't be happier with the step shift improvement that the bowed left wrist has given me.
I start my swing by firing my left knee followed by hip rotation. This generates a lot of natural lag. At impact, the cupped wrist hinge was making my club head be wide open at impact. The bowed left wrist allows me to have heavy lag with a square club face without any quick corrective wrist effort at impact.
I wanted to share this with you guys. I have watched every youtube video for "curing the slice" and tried every technique. This is the first one that made any difference and 100% cured my driver slice. Thanks for the time you take to make these videos. They help a lot of people like me who have families, demanding jobs, and lack the time for endless lessons. Kudos to you!
conglatulations~ It's not important to have a bowed hand shape but a contained meaning of small leverage in left hand...keep try on~~
Great review Guys !!! Yes, "strong grip swings" are athletic and extremely powerful, with a lot of control - as long as the lower body moves quickly on the down swing. The lower body cannot be slow like conventional swings. At the top of the back swing, the lower body will drop into a powerful seated position, pushing down to the ground and starting the hip rotation, help by the left foot rolling to the side helping the hip turn, with most of the body's weight on the ball of the right foot pushing the ground. It is this lower body rotation that is pulling the torso and the arm down as the hands keep the powerful angle (the lag) and release through impact. If you swing like a whip, as someone stated, all that stored up power is lost, you end up flipping the club, thus the hands swing past the body, its one big mess and you might as well take up bowling. I'm 47 and have be using the strong grip style swing for about 7yrs, based on the teachings of fellow Hawaiian Kelvin Miyahira, but also I've learn a ton from Lucas Wald, an expert in swing science, who by the way can practice what he teaches.
That's a really good video. Not going to change my golf swing, but interesting to watch!
Thanks. Glad you liked it.
I've only been playing for two years now. I played baseball for 11. And I shot a 70 2 days ago. I played with Corey pavin Tom Lehman and brad faxon and they said I could go pro. I have never had a coach do you think I should. I've made it this far without one. Love your videos. Keep producing.
best vid you have
Thank you so much for all of your guys' help! I do have one question. I began golfing about 5 months ago and felt like I would be a natural. However, the more I analyzed my swing, especially with the driver, the more my swing would fall apart. I have been really focusing on getting my hips moving first, but I sometimes feel like this gets me hung up behind the ball and I end up either skying my shot or slicing it. Sometimes when I just feel the swing start with my arms, I am able to hit it further and much more straight. I wonder if I am outrunning the club with my hip speed and attacking the ball from the outside? Is there a good checkpoint for your hips in relation to the shaft at impact I can focus on to ensure the timing is correct? You guys are awesome!!!
Thanks guys. Love your practical approach /realistic approach for the average golfer. Just one thing, if you struggle from a slice. Would it not be a good idea to have a slight bent wrist? Thanks Martin
Hello, I am wondering if I should try the bowed wrist as Dustin Johnson does if I also use a similar strong grip. I am not sure whether I should change to neutral of do it as DJ's way
The wrist action in question is described in great detail in Ben Hogan's book. A lot of people say that's the trick to his swing. Takes some mastering. Most people overthink golf and fail to pay attention to what they're doing or make changes to it. Quit trying to start over and mirror others. Go with feels right and make minor adjustments till you improve. Oh and practice.
Great video, guys! I've been using your videos to improve my ball striking. I used to shank and slice, now I hit the ball more square on the club face. However, now my problem is that I'm pulling and hooking my bad shots. The club speed comment intrigued me, when I video my swing I notice I am pretty slow. Could this be the reason I'm hitting those pull and hook shots? Any ways for me to get the ball straighter without falling back into my shank/slice days?
I was on the range today and hitting them pretty well, but I had some shots that I was topping into the ground, or line driving them. Any thoughts?
Hi,
when should the left wrist break down? as it should be flat or bowed through impact.
Iv'e thought of using a comb under my watch strap to keep my wrist flat.
Struck my irons well but struggled with an overswing especially with woods and I hit my driver awfully so many hooks and snap hooks how can I prevent these things? great videos keep it up
Any tips for getting a higher launch out of a driver? I play a strong grip and have a pretty solid amount of rotation. I prefer a straight to draw ball flight but can only take driver over trees if I play a 20+ yard cut. I play a Cleveland Classic XL set at 11.5 loft
Hi Andy and Piers. I’ve actually just adjusted my cupped hand to more of a bowed hand and honestly it instantly made a difference (only on the drive though) because that’s the area I wanted to adjust. After practicing with this bowed hand I hit my first drive and it was the furthest and straightest drive. Hit another 20 and I got more of the same, I’ve tried to eliminate my slice for years and this is the only tip I’ve implemented that has given me instant results. What are your thoughts on that? Joe
Hey guys. I often find myself hitting irons well and woods poorly, or woods well and irons poorly, obviously falling into a mental/physical trap of being unable to swing the same swing regardless of club selection. Any tips/drills you would recommend to stay consistent with swing when changing between irons and woods? Thanks!
Got cut 3 shots In my last 3 rounds vids helped a lot cheers :)
Well done!
So I've been watching videos of DJ, Bryson, Jordan Spieth, Tony Finau, Brooks Koepka, and a few others. I've noticed that they seem to have either a bowed left wrist at the top or a bowed left wrist at impact. Can you comment on that? Thank You.
Please can you help with my drives! I hit them really quite sweetly but they always veer right! Any suggestions?
I have had lesson upon lesson and I always find myself going back to using a bowed wrist. When I have a neutral wrist I tend of release the club way early and I go right quite a bit and hit fat shots. Fade real bad with a driver. But with a bowed wrist I hit it straight or left. More straight than left. With the bowed wrist I feel locked in and can hold that position through impact and release perfectly. Less to think about in my swing because my wrists are already in position.
How do you remember all the different techniques in golf . For pitching , putting , driving . Etc ?
Can you do a video on hitting 3 wood from the tee
Thanks
Guys, I tend to lose my height on my downswing sometimes resulting in a fat shot and me to sky it. Also is there anyway to increase my shoulder turn ? any tips or drills to help me thanks
Any chance of a shout out for my first round under par today after shooting level par just 4 days before that ??
We have noted that down Richard. Well done!!! Can you send us a pic through facebook?
Ok what sort of pic do you want , top of backswing , finish position etc ? Thanks !
Richard Gaule Probably a pic of your scorecard!! lol Congrats man!
Yes no problem. Send us a message on Facebook with a pic and we will give you a shout out.
Meandmygolf I sent a pic some time last week?
Dustin Johnson's swing technique, controlled backswing powerful but balanced downswing and finished up with a line of coke.
When I bow my left wrist, I tend to be too closed at impact and start the shot left of target line. Any tips to correct this?
Get the feeling of holding off your wrist flip till after impact
do rory's technique next!!! Please!!!
Good idea. Will talk about a video for that
you mean his techniques for missing cuts
I did well but up hill lies when chipping are hard for me
I just found out that KK Downing was the guitarist for Judas Priest. A kick ass guitarist who built a kick ass course. How cool.
early extension in the downswing (with driver, but not with irons)
How do I not hit my drive right?
I keep hitting my driver to the right too
Aim left
got 4 pars in the same round. normally i get a par once every 4 rounds. i got par on 2 par 3's a par 4 and a par 5. did a 160 yd approch shot to 10 feet from hole. last 20 yards were water gap.
Well done. Keep working hard and smart!
"Fan girl scream" your tee drill and laser drill for irons is what got me to this point!
I've seen many slow mo of his swing, his bowing goes more towards neutral at impact
With respect, I think you're wrong.
He doesn't have nearly as much 'wrist bow' or 'closed face' as you suggest. While he does rotate his hips fast, the main reason for distance is that his hit is very late and his right elbow is deep into his midriff.
Club head speed is created with the hands, through arm strength, and if you have any doubt just look at Rory McIlroy who has relatively little hip rotation.
+Peter Kelly Hi Peter. Thanks for the comment. The main reason Dustin has to keep his right arm tight is due to his "closed" club face at the top. He generates his power from the ground up as he is a very good all round athlete. Speed is generated from the ground up being able to transfer energy through one segment of the body to another then to the golf club. Rory Mcilroy doesn't have much hip turn in the back swing but what he does do is rotate his hips unbelievable fast in the down swing (faster than the majority on tour). This is how he creates so much speed. Research "kinematic sequence". This will give you more information on how we use the body to create speed.
+Meandmygolf Perhaps I expressed myself badly.
The nature of club head speed is far more to do with the hand action, whipping through exactly like cracking a whip. Certainly, leg, hip, torso, and shoulder action is a large part (we are all connected, rather than separate bits and pieces!), but without the strength of the hands to whip the clubhead through, all the hip movement in the world will mean diddly-squat.
+Peter Kelly Whipping the clubhead through impact with the hands will add loft and create more spin, ultimately losing distance. You should definitely research Kelvin Miyahira's content, he explains it better than I can
+Peter Kelly I'm pretty sure you are wrong in your analysis on Dustin's swing. I'm glad your theory works for you though. I have very slightly bowed left wrist on top of my back swing. Very subtle though. But I make sure I come down with my left wrist in the same shape so the handle is ahead of the ball at impact like Andy and Piers explained. But I never feel that I have to have the hand action or the strength of the hands and arms like you said. The whipping doesn't come from those for me but it comes from right initiation of downswing. Then I just release my hands and arms w/o forcing them too much. The whipping you feel comes naturally from the lag you have as you release it and the lag for me comes from heading the butt of the club toward the ball at the beginning of the down swing. You never manipulate your hands to shape the swing path or club head as far as you have correct initiation of lagging and downswing. You probably have to manipulate or force your hands a lot either because you try to maintain your lag too long that you have to force your hands to turn or because your body (shoulders and hips) don't turn so well that you have to compensate with your wrists. Well just one man's opinion...
You've got yourself confused between the terminology and what actually happens: You don't 'release your hands and arms' at all.
All movement (and much of remaining stationary) comes from muscle action. There will be some that follows quite naturally, or even by necessity after another action, but it is all muscle powered.
To do something quicker, by definition, needs stronger muscles.
You may well be able to replicate Dustin Johnson's swing, but I can absolutely guarantee that your clubhead will not be moving as fast.
Your expression 'maintaining a lag too long', goes to the heart of it. Dustin Johnson can keep his as late as he does simply because he is strong enough to do so.
Too much of the golf swing and the difference between the top pros and us mere mortals is wrapped up in meaningless mumbo-jumbo and expressions without any understanding of physiology and I'm afraid you've been misled.
If you pause the vid at 7.29 when he tries DJ's swing he actually has a big cupped wrist. Ofcourse it went in the water lol!
The only reason of Dustin's infamous hooking under pressure is because of his grip.
Now the Dustin Johnson technique is do cocaine, marijuana, and swing a club. You'll be good.
That's some lawn mower - he's about half a mile away from you guys and he's loud as f**k.! Lol
I am strugling with driving
Guys please pick your times of filming better... Struggling to listen to you both with the noise in the background
Shame you shot this item with the green keepers buzzing all around you!
This is bs. He's not rotating his body hard it's just unwinding bc he has so much turn. Also if any amateur had this "shut" face at the top it would point left at the bottom bc of the over the top swing. Dustin planes the club correctly and actually loses some wrist angle on the way down to meet the ball squarely. Why do you think many of the great ball strikers have a bowed a straight left wrist at the top
You guys are clueless! Dustin Johnson's closed clubface at the end-backswing position (due to left wrist bowing) does not deloft his clubface near impact. In fact, his clubface is open relative to the ball-target line as he nears impact - and he needs more left forearm supination (than usual) in order to square the clubface by impact and avoid push-slices.
See - perfectgolfswingreview.net/DJMove.html
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I've watched 2 of these videos.........and both the shots after the tips stink, lol.
Anyways, off to try some stuff.
Cocaine & taylormade. Pair together well.