The Orville Predicts a Social Justice Dystopia (Spoilers)
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There was a really subtle thing that happened in this episode, so subtle that I never caught it until just now, that could have served as SUCH a strong talking point about the subject the episode explores.
The crime the original two explorers were convicted of was not yielding their seat to a pregnant woman, which they did because they didn't notice this woman.
Now, someone took that picture, which means someone DID notice. But yet instead of simply pointing out to the two men that there was a pregnant woman there who should have their seat, they took a picture and shared it for people to cast judgment and shame. Whoever took that picture was NOT actually interested in correcting the wrong, because they could have pointed the problem out and likely have thus solved it. They didn't want to solve the issue, they wanted to be the catalyst for casting shame and leading the attack.
And that is extremely true of our modern shame culture. These people have no interest in actually solving the problems they cry against, they just want to be the standard-bearer in a glorious battle. They don't fight to win the war, they fight so they can be part of the battle.
Nailed it. I wouldn't be surprised if that society rewards people who "call out" that sort of "bad behavior"
also has others pointed out there were actually empty seats the pregnant woman could have taken. also she didn't ask for their seat when she could see they weren't aware of her. so they jumped to blame rather then think about the image.
"Calling out" that behavior is its own reward. That much is seen in our real-world society today. Everyone who tweets about being upset about something. What do they gain?
Whatever it is they feel they gain from doing that, they get it.
marscaleb they also could’ve given up their seat.
@@marscaleb It's like complaining. Gets you no where but people love to do it.
Some people get out of bed in the morning, go right on twitter and think "what can I find to be offended about today?"
These people REALLY need to get out more
And not be allowed to run for public office.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the line where they ask the native girl how they decide what medicines to take, or what foods are good for you, and she says, "We vote", implying that ALL of their "facts" are merely popular opinions. I felt like that was one of the most important lines in the entire episode.
Zansi I found the line from Bortis ‘A voice is earned’ to be super important as well
Zansi and the hat HE LEFT OUT THE HAT!!!
My god that's horrifying. You have to wonder how long that society can last before some cabal subtly gains control of the vote tallying system and sets up a mob racket.
A paradise vor Anti-vaxxers.
I agree. This episode shows us what kind of society we can expect when it's built upon people's "gut feelings" and uninformed opinions rather than hundreds of years of scientific progress. A society like this could never last. If you ignore what IS true in favor of what you WANT to be true long enough, reality will bite you in the ass.
It should be illegal to fire someone over facebook/twitter level outrage.
Rick and Rygel but people still do get fired over stuff like that
what if the outrage is over something real? youve just made impossible to get someone fired for, say, pedophilia if they manage to get an outrage party started about it.
@@rmhartman Then it needs to go to court and be proven and NOT tried in the court of public opinion as things so often are these days. This is still America and we are still innocent until proven guilty.
@@moralityisnotsubjective5
Yes, I agree! Also pedophilia is a criminal offense not mean words.
@@moralityisnotsubjective5 public opinion is given waaaaaayy too much credit these days. It's unfair to be able to ruin someone's life, without any proof of what they may have done.
My favorite lines in Majority Rule is (paraphrased)
"What if they look into whether or not the information we're putting out is false?"
"They won't."
The 1960s Star Trek couches social issues within the context of a science fiction drama for examination.
The Orville couches social issues within the context of a science fiction parody for (humourous) examination.
It's more Trek than Discovery :D
David Alan Gay they also both did it well, Star trek’s good sci-fi and drama helped it to work, the Orville’s good comedy and pretty good sci-fi help it to work.
Discovery has nothing.
I do quite agree
A Social Justice Dystopia? ... I thought that was the whole premise for Star Trek Discovery? ... It's the only thing that would make sense of that show.
Harikus sjws all think they're heroes. 🙄
Dystopia? Is there any other type of SJW type government?
the youtube streamer is a half wit he goes on how great something is then always comes back with bullshit
and ill leave you with a quote, "why use big complex words when simple to the point is all that's needed? SIMPLE...the person using such is in fact talking down on you and trying to portray an air of intellectual superiority that he/she thinks you do not have. The other reasons are often the person does not really know what the fuck they are talkign about and jsut puts those words about for the hope you have no clue what they mean but ...HEY BIG COMPLEX WORDING MUST MEAN HES SMART"
what do you expect form an STD? pain misery and horribal burning :P
@@rickcoona sjws don't think that STDs are bad lol. They're a badge of honor to them.
Aaaaaand it's just been renewed for a second season! Sweet!
I hope we get 16 episodes in season 2
Are you happy on this Dave Cullen? And do you think the orville crew will get an upgrade on their ship given their stellar performance as the crew of the orville?
They SHOULD, huh? Unfortunately the name of the show kind of limits them.
How many _Enterprises_ has there been? :)
The Dave Cullen Show Don't take this the wrong way, but if you knock on my door telling me how can fix my leaking roof, I will slam the door in your face.
"Demolition Man" with Sylvester Stalone did it in the 1990's.
I love that movie. I laugh so hard at the machine giving tickets for swearing.
“You are fined one credit for violation of the the verbal morality statute…” looks like Twitter took its cues from this movie…😂😂😂
This is exactly why the mainstream critics hate The Orville while the majority of the viewing public love it. I don't like the term, but this show is as 'woke' as any I've seen.
Dirk DigDuggler It's not liberal pandering al la GB 2016 and STD
So kind of like the red pill, wake up call to reality
Joe Gibbs You could say the same thing about The Last Jedi, just reverse opinions.
You mean based? I only ever heard "woke" in a leftist context...
And now, 2 years later, "woke" means the complete opposite...
The idea of this society is terrifying
Screw Off and where we are heading if we dot stop it.
icepicjoey I'll clock out before that point becomes reality
Well if society went to become like that, might as well go down with a bang!
Alexandre Martins I will, because they will have come to confiscate guns before that point
Screw Off yes I agree. Being a Brazilian, I've great difficulty in getting a legal gun, but will have to buy one these days. Never know when the wolves in 🐑's clothing will come knocking...
That awkward moment when a parody/homage to Star Trek is far superior to an actual Star Trek licensed show
That awkward moment when parody of show, is exactly like real life
That painful moment when you realize a fanbase isn’t capable of accepting change. And when you realize they’ve forgotten that ever Trek show ever started off badly.
@@Shadowkey392 Trouble is STD finished badly as well.
@@Shadowkey392 The Star Trek fanbase is pretty divided. Many of them are "Meh whatever" and accept the change. Others are pretty butthurt lol.
@@Shadowkey392 that is ok, unlike the past, we stopped watching, spent our money elsewhere and hopefully started writing a better future. this is the dysfunction you insist of defending? everything has to be shit?
"Black Mirror" actually did something similar in season 2 where your status in society is determined by how much validation you get from the public but I think Orville took it a little further with the "public apology"
Wait... didnt the woman in black mirror end up in prison? lol and she couldn´t buy the house she wanted because of the rep, so, I don´t know, BLack mirrors seems more drastic and consider it was like 2 years ago (the SJW hysteria was not full nuts yet). I haen´t watched Orville tho, I just wanted to argue because INTERNET
The Rambler both were disturbing as hell and made me uncomfortable watching them. That is how you know they did there jobs well in making it.
Joseph Perrelli I felt The same watching the episode
I think you meant the first episode of Season 3, the first Netflix season.
And China is doing it with THEIR Social Credit system :D
"Majority Rule" was a great episode. I especially love the ending where it turns out that it really doesn't matter how sincere someone's apology is. What matters is how likable the person is. Also gotta love the point where Lysella points out that no one will fact check the false stories Isaac was planting.
The Orville just got RENEWED for season 2. Yay!
Too bad Season 2 quickly devolved into unfunny tired ole sjw nonsense. I was was happy with S1 and looked for forward to S2, but alas it wasn't to be...could not even finish it. Just another degenerate preachy pos from hollywood. I am so sick of great premises being ruined with this bs. Stop giving them money and maybe they'll stop this stupid shiite. Cancel netflix, prime, cable, et al. Don't give these detached degenerate smug globohome racist supremacists a dime of your hard earned money because they hate you and want to destroy your country and way of life, especially if you are a White Christian family. Don't believe me? Just look at how many blonde haired white women are coupled with black men in almost every tv commercial and pay attention to how straight white males are portrayed in movies, tv and commercials. Once you start seeing it you begin to realize how prevalent it is and has been for a long time and you can't help but realize how much these people hate you.
"Were people actually this dumb and emotionally driven?!"
Yes.
The more I watch Orville the more I’m convinced it is the true successor of Star Trek.
Precisely what I've been telling anyone who asks about it :-)
I often refer to it as Star Trek The Orville.
... it would be so much easier to tie this show to canon, over Discovery- The Federation rebrands itself 'The Union', warp drive is replaced by the faster quantum drive which makes all the ships look different- done.
I've been thrown out of several Geek groups for arguing about the sheer derpitude that is Star Trek: Diss.
They can't just disagree with me, no. of course I'm a Neanderthal or living in the dark ages because i don't like the fact that it bears zero resemblance to any other star trek show.
Exactly! And they seem to think I have no right to be angry about the fact that they've changed, twisted and fucked everything that made Trek, Trek.
Sadly, while I've not met a single Trekkie ir Trekker who actually likes this garbage, it's rating well, mostly with Millennials and I guess that was the point - they show was designed to launch CBS's streaming service which I gather is more popular among the younger generations
2 years later and we are seeing this materializing...
Commenting from Late 2021, can confirm
This was the best episode of The Orville so far. A chillingly accurate depiction of life today...
this episode convinced me that the orville is the new star trek
@@petepetersen5418 Me too
“If anyone knocks on your door that has an Irish accent!” ? Why would your door have an Irish accent?!!!
Black Mirror did the same thing, but I loved Orvilles take on it with the majority rule episode
I actually found the Black Mirror take a bit boring, but loved the Orville's one!
I loved them both...but i personally think black mirror did it better...really emphasised the tyranny of the populurist mob
If you can handle Falling Down (the movie) without the violence and slow piano music, ya you could say Nosedive is the same as The Orville Majority Rule (if you haven't seen Black Mirror, you've been warned). Kind of like saying golf is like soccer, because both sports have balls and are played on grass.
Official Filmilen I used to watch Orville as a kid but not the same now Keith Harris is dead.
I think they are not about the same topic. The black mirror one deals more with fakeness and not being yourself if you want a high score. The Orville deals more in mob mentality and that masses only decide with their guts
Seth McFarlane's more against Social Justice than he knows or perhaps would care to admit.
Destro7000 it's funny because a lot of sjws look up to him for being a liberal atheist
@Destro7000 The hat scene from episode 7 is happening right now in universities in America. I personally think someone bringing up cultural appropriation is good reason for getting a 2X4 upside the head.
Destro7000 well with episode 7.
Destro7000 I think he's getting red-pilled. I believe that it began with Family Guy, because of Brian (resident douchebag/hypocrite Left-winger), but it definitely seems to be increasing. Seth's still a Liberal, but at least he seems to be getting more tolerant/tolerable.
Rob Melrose I agree. I am mostly liberal but I can't stand SJWs
Seth MacFarlane nailed it
...I completely forgot about that stupid gag. What the fuck has Seth been telling us for YEARS by this point??
We are seeing now why the MSM hate him.
Love the commentary that you give, breath of fresh air. Keep up with the good work!
This is already happening in China.
oh yeah right, I heard of this a while back. Some kind of Social Points Gathering system to show you are a good citizen or sth ... ugh!
I was going to make this comment but you beat me to it. But yes, you are correct. I believe government should not be involved in the personal lives of the citizens. I hate social engineering.
What China is doing isn't the same thing, but its actually worse. China's system doesn't let citizens vote on good or bad behavior. Rather, they use social media and other forms of technology to spy on their citizen's behavior and give them a "score" of how loyal they are based on the sites they visit. But, what's even more nefarious is that you're ALSO penalized based on your friend network: those who socialize with people of low scores also get low scores. So, in incentivizes people to completely disassociate with anyone who doesn't tout the party line 100%.
Well, that's what you get when you live in a dictatorship, which is what Communism in fact is. China is only Capitalist in its external economy. The majority of the population are little better than slaves. I'm amazed at the huge amount of Westerners that still believe in and actually fight for Communism or Socialism.
That is both true and horrible.
I am reminded of what Jesus said to the mob wanting to kill a prostitute.
"He who has never sinned may cast the first stone"
And no one did.
In other words, they landed on Planet Facebook.
The Orville is really sounding more like Sliders than Star Trek the more I hear about it.
This one did have a Sliders feel to it. But it's not something that Trek hasn't done before in the past.
And seeing as I loved Sliders back in the day, (my god, was it really that long ago?) it's hardly a bad thing.
True, and I definitely did not mean it as a negative.
No, they landed on plantet Reddit. Facebook does not allow downvotes.
Observant Watcher more like Planet Tumblr.
Lol.. best quote ever I like that they landed on planet Facebook that's just great awesome.
I love that this is, in a way, a passion project. Seth always adored Star Trek and what it stood for.
Most def, this is the Star Trek series we deserve. I honestly hope that Fox gives this a greenlight for more seasons. Seth MacFarlane might be the best thing happening in Hollywood right now.
We need to conservative show
I want 200 seasons!
Season 2 has been green lighted
Apparently it's been rating rather well!
+MechanicIZ
be careful what you wish for, we are still in the aftermath of someone wishing for 200 seasons of the Simpsons
Never apologize. Her response should have been: "If you take things out of context and intentionally choose to find something offensive, I can't help you."
Twitter is cancer.
Facebook is cancer.
Social media isn't.
Triggered snowflake: you are worst than Hitler.
Me: it's to late for Flattery now.
@Lanin Thomasma Rule #7. Go tell them to sit on a dick
What I found more disturbing in the seventh episode of Orville is that the counters never went down, so even if you escaped being lobotomized you would still have a large downvote value.
Also notice the upvotes had no effect either. You could have 15 million upvotes and 10 million downvotes and still get labotomised apparently. That's definitely a flaw in the system, but one they must have noticed when designing the episode. Probably a dramatic choice to simplify the system.
Ironman Austria I think that rather than a dramatic choice, it was done on purpose to reflect the fact that in modern society your original positive social status (upvotes) hold no real sway on how your scandal is perceived (downvotes) for the exact reason outlined in this video, namely that the people who seek moral outrage are a vocal minority and that those who weren’t outraged would remain silent.
Or credit rating
their new "Social Credit" score. buy alcohol or tobaco and your score goed down. someone in your family critisizes the Gov ot breaks the law, YOUR score goes down. Too low a score and you lose access to high speed rail and air travel hotel reservations job and college applications and housing oppetunities just to name a few. as one of their ministers overseeing this new program that will be fully implimented by 2020 said "Rewarded citizens will be able to travle the world. Punished ones won't be able to move a single inch." they not only use your celphone history but biometric tracking data from the millions of "security" cameras all over the country to track and monitor everyone in the country.
orwellian dosen't even BEGIN to cover this talk about the mark of the beast no RFID chip needed
--Rick
That's because this is exactly how the society of the US in 2022 works. Joe Rogan's comments from 12 years ago were taken out of context and abused in an attempt to destroy him socially and economically. Once something is on the internet, it will stay there forever and *will* be used used against its author.
Incidentally, this is also why we have the electoral college. We don't want mob rule.
While there is SOME truth to what you say, the electoral college also allows a very small group of people to control everything. I'm pretty educated and I get how the electoral college works and on a level I agree with you, it isn't a bad thing, here is the problem with it: GERRYMANDERING. Districts need to be decided NOT by the party in charge but by an independent non partisan agency. There is also the fact that an Elector can vote contrary to the district they represent (Also most people don't know that while a majority of electors are people that hold office a lot of them are owners of corporations, you can find who your state electors and the elector for your district are via google and wikipedia has an archive of all electors for each presidential election.
Um, the electoral college gave us George W. and Trump and disaster ensued and you're talking about protecting ourselves from mob rule? Lo! We need to rid this country of the electoral college. Period.
@@karllieck9064 I'm looking at the long game. If you're interested, this article explains it better than I can here. www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/05/23/killing-electoral-college-means-rural-americans-would-be-serfs-column/3770424002/
Karl Lieck Unless it was replaced with a similar system to the electoral college, it’d be an outright disaster. The electoral college is useful because without it, high population states like California and New York would control the entire election. You can’t blame the college for the candidates that came. You blame the people who voted. True democracy, like a popular vote, doesn’t work with such a large landmass and population.
@@KizaruB Well said.
Another powerful moment is when the one SJW-type smugly holds Alara hostage for wearing the wrong hat and "literally pissing on his culture." Just in time for Halloween.
the most powerful moment was when Bortus said: A voice should be earned, not given away... It criticises our democracy and voting rights, most people didn't notice...
I bet Ironmanaustralia didn't, fucking degenerate.
Yeah, didn't notice that because I was too busy reading _Starship Troopers_ again.
There might have been criticism of our system with that line, but also support for things like Congress and the electoral college, if you're looking for it. And Starship Troopers also had public lashings and sexual segregation...pretty sure that's not the best system either.
Lucen Dacier I would argue that's a major improvement jail is to impersonal to most people they don't think twice about it. Max sec lifers describe it as being in a warehouse of some kind so society can forget about them. Lashings would both be more humane as decades of a person's life are lost leaving them with little hope of reintegration vs a painful but quick punishment that lets you get on with your life and it is a public reminder to those that might get any funny ideas. Also sexual segregation was not a thing in the book or movie. It was simply women had better reflexes that made them better pilots. It was about having the best people for the job.
Joseph Perrelli that's an interesting take on a justice system, though I'm not sure it would be workable in modern-day real life. Regarding sexual segregation, in the book women were kept in a separate part of the ship from the men, under armed guard. (Something the movie definitely didn't have!)
The Orville is rapidly becoming my favorite star trek show.
I dont care what CBS say...ORVILLE IS STAR TREK'S NEWEST ADDITION
Context is important, extremely important!
Maybe the most important word in the English language.
Just don't say it in an Irish accent or you will be sent away.
+Binge Think Recently, that is. Used to be, the most important word in the English language was Unity.
CONTEXT!? CONTEXT?!?!?!!? THIS HERE'S YELLING AND SCREAMING AND BEING BUTTHURT TOWN! :P
CHINA'S SOCIAL CREDIT SCORE SYSTEM - coming to YOUR neighbourhood.
China is literally going to implement a similar system, using a variety of data to rank people, some of which is objective data such as credit scores, and other data is subjective like social media presence.
I'm sure that will work out just great and Democrats will be saying, "We should do this just like China", just like they did with Venezuela until recently for some strange reason.
They already have a profile of everyone on their social media sites ... they know if you're a nobody, or an ass kissing toady who fawns over the Communist Party, or an opinionated trouble maker who needs to be locked up... or they would do if it was possible to have an opinion on Chinese social media these days!
Of course they love this because they're a totalitarian dictatorship, just like SJWs
Neuro Mancer well they are communists, which SJWs love like most children love their mothers.
Sure, but the criteria of 'good' is 'matches the party line'. It's literally crowd sourcing your inquisition/witch hunt, which in a setup with modern infotech is a viable option to explore for a totalitarian regime to help it retain or tighten control. Mind you, I seem to have the ability to detach my evaluations from all morality and ethics. Morally and ethically it's an utterly horrific nightmare just to imagine, much less know is being tested in the real world by a powerful governing body.
Thanks for suggesting the show, it truly is excellent and I am enjoying every episode. :)
I feel offended by truth. What can I do. There is no anonymous group for that. HALP!
find friends who are inveterate liars.
Airwave2k2 The obvious answer is to stick your head further up your own ass.
(I know that you’re joking).
There's actually a three step program that seems popular:
1) Put on a mask and call yourself Antifa
2) Call them Nazis
3) Punch a Nazi
I feel offended by your offense of truth.
"in times of great deceit, telling the truth is an act of revolution" - George Orwell
Orville has really grown on me. This episode had me in stitches. So full of things that were funny because they are true.
Dave you need to watch Red Dwarf. Its latest series did a brilliant Anti SJW episode where the crew met a ship where criticism was illegal. I'd love to hear your thoughts on it.
Burrunjor Man
Red Dwarf blows this thinly veiled SJW propoganda away.
The best thing about Red Dwarf is that its a show the SJW's should like. It has a black man as the lead, its main love story is an interracial love story, and half its cast are black! Yet no one ever noticed, because unlike these awful SJW shows like that ghastly Supergirl, or Peter Capaldi era Doctor Who they never mentioned it. Not ONCE do Rimmer and Lister comment on either's race.
Red Dwarf rocks
How is Orville SJW propoganda?
@@bloop1100 It isn't. That's why the critics hate it and why the audience loves it
Some SJW millennial snowflakes will sadly take the Orville episode as a script for how to proceed towards their dystopia, just like they've apparently done with Orwell's 1984.
But here's the catch. This situation isn't as black and white as it seems. They aren't intentionally using 1984 as a instruction book. They are delusional because of Human ambition. And their ambition is to become a hero. This ambition blinds them and they cannot see over their hypocrisy because of ambition and the dopamine that they are rewarded with on social media.
Welcome to 2020
Maybe they won't do that since that community was branded as capitalist
"Don't give them any ideas"? Too late. They're running with it.
One of the best shows on tv right now, Seth MacFarlane is a fucking genius and a legend for getting this show aired in a time when regressive run the entertainment industry
I concur
People think im weird and that i dont exist because i don't like using instagram, facebook, or twitter
ikr
You must have much better health than most.
All the founder's warned about democracy.
John Meyer I am pretty sure the founders warned about the corruption of big far reaching government, democracy isnt the problem large government control is, which is y the second amendment was put into place, or is that what u meant?
The Founding Fathers were concerned about mob rule/democracy. That's why the US government is set up as a republic. Glad I'm not the only one who picked this up.
A couple interesting resources on the matter.
lexrex.com/enlightened/AmericanIdeal/aspects/demrep.html
www.governmentvs.com/en/federal-republic-vs-democracy/comparison-36-1-0
The Founders despised Democracy. Jefferson called Democracy the worst system of govt ever devised. Another, (can't remember who) said that Democracy would be "Trading one tyrant 3,000 miles away, for 3,000 tyrants one mile away". Franklin described it as being "Two wolves and a lamb deciding who is for dinner." What they developed was a Constitutional Republic, designed to counteract mob tyranny through checks and balances. Franklin continued his quote with saying that "Liberty is a heavily armed lamb contesting the vote". The problem with Big Government is that it circumvents checks and balances, and has allowed the mob to be bribed into trading away everyone's Liberty for "free stuff". That is how every Democracy declines and collapses.
Jason Wright I am tired of talking to dumb asses on the internet, a democracy defined as:
1 a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections.
A Republic is a form of democracy, however it is not a true democracy, so u are giving me quotes taken out of context by men who understood the meaning of what they were saying and railing against a pure form of democracy in which everyone votes and the majority rules, make no mistake they knew that the republic they were in favor of was a form of democracy so u are eather a. Unaware of the misconception u are perpetuating, or b. using it for other means and know fully well u are omitting this info, take this how u will I dont intend to ingauge u again
libertyunderfire.org/2010/06/the-founding-fathers-rejected-democracy/
@ Dave,
"...a vocal minority of very loud users..." I think you meant: "...a vocal minority of very loud losers..."
When I was watching this episode, I was thinking we are already there!
People have been put in prison for non politically correct comments on social media!
"They aren't my enemies."
"After what you did today, they will be. _They will be._ " I laughed so hard :P
Being Irish isn’t a race. What the hell. That’s like saying American is a race. What is wrong with people.
It’s alarming that our society is so obsessed with this mob rule mentality. I completely agree and you brought up many many good, thought provoking points. It’s too bad that more in our society (mainly my own generation) don’t have a similar outlook.
The Orville is bringing everything to the table that Star Trek should have. Such a fun show. I
I've recommended it to my friends and family
I don't have TV so I'm not sure where you get it
i love how you put things into perspective. awesome.
Orville has officially kicked Star Trek's ass in terms of social commentary done right. I still have trouble believing Seth wrote this.
There are writers from the old star trek writing for the orville. It was probably one of them.
Seth did had a minor role on Star Trek Enterprise season 4 and he does frequently have previous Star Trek actors to do voice acting for his other shows such as American Dad! And Family Guy so it wouldn’t be too surprising that he may have asked some of them for points and inspiration to write the Orville.
JoeRingo: Pretty much. Seth can do this because he knows these people and he can dance around them and keep on truckin should they go on the offensive. This is why "modern" liberals hate classical ones.
He's been sneaky for a while with family guy.
piet jan petersen Nah, I heard the Generation Ship episode and this one were purely McFarlane's writing. Not sure about the Krill episode, but given Seth's outspoken atheism I'd bet the Trek writers are doing the world building episodes and he's handling the commentary ones.
I loved how they made the location 99% contemporary Earth. Didn't even try to make it look alien in any way.
-Matt
This is exactly what makes Orrvile tje new Star Trek this was Gene Roddenberry's recipe that made Star Trek. A big thumbs up for Dave and this video and a shout out to all support the Orrvile that we get many seasons of it.
Dave. I've been following you for ages. Since the early days of Computing Forever in fact. This is the best so far in my opinion. I'll be sharing this.
Star Trek is BACK and it dident give me STDs this time!
Lols I get it :D
I'm so glad you talked to this episode of the Orville. It was nice to meet you at VidCon
I think all SJW's are mindless idiots completely devoid of logic and reason...
.......Crap, now I guess I'm supposed apologize profusely. ....Not gonna happen.
MrTrekFanDan You THINK? Mate, I'm sure of it.
Good for you! First they come for your apologies then they come to take your testicles and self respect. Far as I'm concerned tell them to fuck off and die till they kick and scream and wear themselves out. You know? Like *ALL* toddlers do eventually when they can't get their way.
"For the earth is hollow and I have touched the sky ..."
And here we are, 4 years on, and your critique is even more relevant…..damn
I remember this episode. 15 years ago, I would have said it was weird. Now I think we are living in that place. In 10 years, this episode will be banned. How sad.
Why are people so eager to claim racism. It's like they've got the word "racist" loaded and are just itching to say it.
Why wouldn't they just say prejudice?
because the word 'racism' has extreme negative connotations, and it's difficult to defend yourself from being accused of being 'racist' when the party accusing you assumes the right to redefine the meaning of the word to whatever they feel like
Well said! Too often people look for reasons to be offended because it gives them a sense of power.
That episode was brilliant
My skin isn't made of tissue paper! This is my most favorable saying now! Stealing this!
I don't think anyone wants a future like the one The Orville expects. The only reason we've been heading in that direction is because people are too naive to notice it, but if we were all fully aware of this it wouldn't be happening.
China is doing this stuff now with their social credit system
I really hope there will be a surprise plot twist: The Orville is in the same universe as Star Trek.
I guess this guy never watched community or black mirror.
Amazing and frightening. Thank you for brining these things to light. These are strange times.
When i watched episode 7 and the episode was done, i sad up in my bed and said out loud by myself "...WOW..." One of the best scifi episodes ive seen. Extremely well done!
If you liked this episode you should watch the Black Mirror episode "Nosedive". Just don't expect to have any hope for humanity after you watch it.
@@dssssada I'm not sure I do now.
I absolutely loved this episode, one of my favorites.
Dave said can nation's that are long time allies be ripped apart by the words of one woman....(cough) Hillary, Dave , Hillary could (cough)
Really enjoying your content man. Articulate, funny and smart . Keep up the good work :)
Wow, this review just got the Orville another viewer.
That was excellent. Thank you.
I kneel before this bright beacon of common sense rant. Preach on
Thank you for clear articulating what is deeply concerning us.
This episode you mention about people not knowing they are on a starship sounds a whole lot like Robert Heinlein's Orphans of the Sky. I wonder if it was inspired by it.
Given Star Trek's influence on The Orville that episode was probably an homage to the TOS episode "For the World Is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky".
There's a Doctor Who novel called Wooden Heart (Tenth Doctor and Martha) with the same premise as the plot, but then it throws in a twist that gives it a whole new angle again.
So well spoken, nail on the head beautiful.
Episode 7 resembles the basic theme of the first episode of Black Mirror S3
JustSomeThoughts... this seemed like a reused idea from blackmirror
A really great social critique series tbh,and now with the massive budget netflix has given the series it's contemporary style has gotten much better in terms of production and aesthetics
And the Black Mirror Episode resembles the same basic theme of the 2003 novel "Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom".... but the mob harping agains The Orville for doing it while its mob is oblivious to Black Mirror, are themselves oblivious to the previous novel.
So the question, how many of them will not have the necessitate self-awareness to admit they are no better than the people they are harping about.... and how many will continue to do it because they are effectively talking house plants.
For one i never made a statement it's bad or not,just highlighting a similarity I found,I also may read that novel if it's within the same category because I enjoy these
Well, maybe not addressed specifically at you.... but the whole "The Orville just ripped off an episode of Black Mirror" has been running around by people when this comes up, and was heading it off at the pass.
I love your analysis of this and Drumhead (which is one of my favorite episodes). Keep up the good work!
Wow you keep saying good things about this show......I just can't overcome my hate for Seth McFarland sp? that i haven't watched it. I am going to mull it over and might give it a chance. Oh and thanks for the vids Dave, keep up the good work. Cheers
In another dystopian future there will be a three button vote. One button is "E", another button is "S", and the last button is"G." Those scores will mercilessly determine the fate of all individuals in society.
2020... Seems less like science fiction now.
Orville is defo more Star Trek than Star Trek atm. Genius episode, this one. Nothing more to add to your commentary; Spot on!
I was listening to Newstalk's The Right Hook show when George Hook made those comments about rape ... the moment he said what he did I said to myself, holy shit George don't bloody say that, you're fucked now. Of course I was right, and you were right, his apology made no difference it was just chum to the ravening sharks.
Letting people know they should take care of themselves is not victim blaming and does not excuse perpetrators. If George had said, ''Lads, don't leave the George (a Dublin gay bar) at 3am by yourself, you might get beaten up by thugs'' I wouldn't be offended as a gay man, I would be thinking ''You're right,'' and me not wanting to walk out of the George alone at 3am would not excuse the behaviour of anyone who did have intent to harm me.
This episode is so prophetic. Sadly, we are living this reality now.
China and their Social Credit System
Nosedive
Black Mirror: Season 3, Episode 1
Thank you for knowing the difference between race, ethnicity, and nationality. I despise when folks use these word incorrectly and interchangeably with no care. 👍
This show is awesome. Also, who here think Adrianne Palicki would be so much better as Miss Marvel ?
If the stars should appear is nothing more than "For the world is hollow, and I have touched the sky" from TOS in a different color.
This video has "Got My Irish Up". Waiting for my 9,999,999 down votes.
"We really should consider more"??? We need to flat-out destroy identity politics!
I think Seth has moved to the right a little over the last few years. I am not saying he is a conservative, but he moved a little to the center. An example of this is the character Brian from his series Family Guy. When the series began Brian was the voice of reason. He was the idealized image of what a liberal thought a man should be. As time went on and seasons past Brian became more of what the conservative thinks a liberal male is. Link of example below. I often wonder if this might be influenced by Rush Limbaugh. From what I have heard Seth and Rush have become good friends over the last few years. ruclips.net/video/tVFp8KTEw-k/видео.html
Well, you may be right about MacFarlane but the change in character isn't limited to Brian and may not be just about politics... look at the shift in especially Lois, Stewie and Joe.
This is 5 years old and every day we get closer to it. The episode is almost prophetic.
Awesome video! You get a thumbs up, lol!
So do you. :-D
And you! :)
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And you 😀
I had to give everyone in this a thumbs up. It's nice to see some people aren't completely insane.
great video and a great example with this social topic. The fact this happens and I see it every day, is really annoying and this is probably one of the best episodes of the series .
I loved Scrubs but I thought they were absolutely terrible at juggling comedy and drama. The comedy was great usually but the drama was always pretty hackneyed in my opinion. Outside of the Brendan Fraser one and one or two other episodes, it really never worked for me.
I always thought it was the other way around. The drama was great and at first so was the humor. But then they turned JD into a clown (in one episode somewhat literally) and all the other characters in the show because annoying and unrealistic. And the jokes stopped being clever and started becoming The Simpsons level humour.
Poor word choice does not equal bigotry.