As a dedicated carver looking for a ski with some soft snow performance, these look really interesting. Line has been very innovative with their skis, which is good for the whole sport.
I love the BBR 9.8 I think these will be even better with the same concept. Only they will be even better in deep powder because off more surface. Can’t wait to test them.
as a long-time snowboarder and grew up on skis, I predict that carving skis will in the future have even tighter radiius. something great will happen if you can get it down to 10m. I saw the same thing in snowboards. people are afraid to make it too tight, but as you evolve the ski camber, add magnetraction or other wavy edges, and continue to shape the shovel of the ski, it will become more feasible. this looks really sweet, wish I had skis like this when I was a kid.
10m radius would be ridiculously short and wouldn't be good at speed. Unless you like doing 20 turns every 100m and going under 20 mph. These line skis will be awkward to get edge to edge quickness for a slalom shape with 95mm waist. Doesn't make sense to me. I wouldn't want anything under 17m with a 95mm waist.
@@lincoln928 snowboarders said the same thing back in the day. then lib tech started putting way more sidecut into it and people figured out that it was a false concern. and periodically the entire industry shortens the radii. and I ask you this, when do you make a turn with an actual radius of 17? rarely. So less sidecut you have, less you can carve short turns. I agree that camber nose and tail profiles will have to change. and line has been working on that. The whole industry has really changed in the last decade. look at this ski, they did exactly what im saying to improve carving. look how wide the shovel is! more and more like a snowboard tip. which helps to use a tighter radii. as you get tighter radii you realize you don't need as much length of edge as you think. which balances out the width. and this ski has a 13 m radii. it doesn't make sense to YOU, but your thinking like a classic skiier. if we listened to you guys, we'd still be on 200+cm skis with 20+m radii. tiny tip. I skied those growing up. but you look at snowboard progression, look at Yes 420, or the Lib orca, and they, like the wide skis that are evolving, keep finding that as they widen up the board tip and tail, you can put more sidecut in and it just makes it carve better and have better control. if your goin 100 kph+ then no. but for normal or even hardcore skiing, more sidecut has a lot of potential. More control, more fun. I see it from history of snowboard, and now I see same trend in skiing. so im calling it. I have spoken.
Short skis with a short radius should be 76mm waist or less so you can go edge to edge fast to Keep up with the quickness of the turns. Having a wide waist doesn't make it quick edge to edge and having a short ski with 14m radius would be very unstable at high speed. Alli said she didn't like it on steep terrain. Its not a ski for experts like its priced the k2 Disruption is.
@@SkiEssentials Watch out for shovel chatter when charging through chop. Similar kinda idea on the Armada Invictus series where there's a huge shovel to help float on narrower waist skis and it ends up making it a little sketchy when you wanna go fast.
A snow thrower tail is normally seriously annoying on a carving oriented ski, especially in slush. It's like driving with the handbrake slightly engaged on one side.
Just FYI this isn't an entirely novel design. Salomon made BBR's a while back with a similar shape profile: large tip with short radius sidecut. The tip made it easier to "surf" over softer snow, while still carved decent. It wasn't successful probably because most skiers don't know how to use the sidecut anyway, so they might as well get a ski that's fat all over.
I've been a big fan of Line/K2. The Supernatural needed some refining but was overall a good ski that was my workhorse for all around terrain and conditions. The Sick Day is also a superbly versatile ski. I'm sure this is a great carver, I just don't see any overall, general purpose, versatility for this ski, that tip is just too crazy wide and will get deflected in any diverse terrain. I hope to try it soon and get proven wrong, I'm sure it rips on the groomers, just don't see this in trees, bumps, pow days, speed runs, etc.
I agree...I love the idea of this ski but can't imagine that it's versatile. With that being said, if this thing is stable at speed, doesn't get knocked around in variable conditions and roughed-up groomers, AND manages to be good in a few inches of fresh snow, then I'll be placing my order shortly. 176 or 181? ;)
The design doesn't make any sense a slalom ski with a 95mm waist? There is a reason it's one of a kind. I can't see it working as an all mountain ski or a very useful carving ski.
I think it will surprise you. It's hard to wrap your head around this ski because it's so different than what we're accustomed to talking about, but it's pretty darn cool. I'd say the only thing in your list that would feel totally inappropriate on it would be speed runs. If you're mimicking Super G or DH skiing, it's not the right tool.
Haha, knowing Peter, there was A LOT more that went into the design of the tail than just looking cool, but I did find that comment funny too. He's a fairly quiet, humble guy, but I know from spending a lot of time with him that he's a very detailed oriented engineer and wouldn't do something without good reason.
As a dedicated carver looking for a ski with some soft snow performance, these look really interesting. Line has been very innovative with their skis, which is good for the whole sport.
I love the BBR 9.8 I think these will be even better with the same concept. Only they will be even better in deep powder because off more surface. Can’t wait to test them.
Jeff: " clinically insane" carving ski. Always comes up with a zinger
as a long-time snowboarder and grew up on skis, I predict that carving skis will in the future have even tighter radiius. something great will happen if you can get it down to 10m. I saw the same thing in snowboards. people are afraid to make it too tight, but as you evolve the ski camber, add magnetraction or other wavy edges, and continue to shape the shovel of the ski, it will become more feasible. this looks really sweet, wish I had skis like this when I was a kid.
10m radius would be ridiculously short and wouldn't be good at speed. Unless you like doing 20 turns every 100m and going under 20 mph. These line skis will be awkward to get edge to edge quickness for a slalom shape with 95mm waist. Doesn't make sense to me. I wouldn't want anything under 17m with a 95mm waist.
@@lincoln928 snowboarders said the same thing back in the day. then lib tech started putting way more sidecut into it and people figured out that it was a false concern. and periodically the entire industry shortens the radii. and I ask you this, when do you make a turn with an actual radius of 17? rarely. So less sidecut you have, less you can carve short turns. I agree that camber nose and tail profiles will have to change. and line has been working on that. The whole industry has really changed in the last decade. look at this ski, they did exactly what im saying to improve carving. look how wide the shovel is! more and more like a snowboard tip. which helps to use a tighter radii. as you get tighter radii you realize you don't need as much length of edge as you think. which balances out the width. and this ski has a 13 m radii. it doesn't make sense to YOU, but your thinking like a classic skiier. if we listened to you guys, we'd still be on 200+cm skis with 20+m radii. tiny tip. I skied those growing up. but you look at snowboard progression, look at Yes 420, or the Lib orca, and they, like the wide skis that are evolving, keep finding that as they widen up the board tip and tail, you can put more sidecut in and it just makes it carve better and have better control. if your goin 100 kph+ then no. but for normal or even hardcore skiing, more sidecut has a lot of potential. More control, more fun. I see it from history of snowboard, and now I see same trend in skiing. so im calling it. I have spoken.
I like to ski fast 13 14m radius ski isn't fast. I just watched the video with Bob and Alley skiing these and they weren't going very fast.
Short skis with a short radius should be 76mm waist or less so you can go edge to edge fast to Keep up with the quickness of the turns. Having a wide waist doesn't make it quick edge to edge and having a short ski with 14m radius would be very unstable at high speed. Alli said she didn't like it on steep terrain. Its not a ski for experts like its priced the k2 Disruption is.
Are these a slalom ski that are slow edge to edge? Nice to see your interviews from the show.
Kinda, although they don't feel particularly slow edge to edge when you ski them.
If the waist is 95mm, that shovel is a monster.
Thats a 200 mm shovel😂😂
It's a whopping 154 mm!
@@SkiEssentials Watch out for shovel chatter when charging through chop. Similar kinda idea on the Armada Invictus series where there's a huge shovel to help float on narrower waist skis and it ends up making it a little sketchy when you wanna go fast.
Love your reviews! You should review some Faction skis in the future. I want to know your opinion on them
They fall apart
@@marm562 Like really fast? How long did they last u?
There is a good chance you're going to see some Faction skis in our content down the road!
Do a comparison between the line blade vs the line sakana
A snow thrower tail is normally seriously annoying on a carving oriented ski, especially in slush. It's like driving with the handbrake slightly engaged on one side.
Love Jeff! Bad ass skier and dude
A legend in the ski world!
Just FYI this isn't an entirely novel design. Salomon made BBR's a while back with a similar shape profile: large tip with short radius sidecut. The tip made it easier to "surf" over softer snow, while still carved decent. It wasn't successful probably because most skiers don't know how to use the sidecut anyway, so they might as well get a ski that's fat all over.
I've been a big fan of Line/K2. The Supernatural needed some refining but was overall a good ski that was my workhorse for all around terrain and conditions. The Sick Day is also a superbly versatile ski. I'm sure this is a great carver, I just don't see any overall, general purpose, versatility for this ski, that tip is just too crazy wide and will get deflected in any diverse terrain. I hope to try it soon and get proven wrong, I'm sure it rips on the groomers, just don't see this in trees, bumps, pow days, speed runs, etc.
I agree...I love the idea of this ski but can't imagine that it's versatile. With that being said, if this thing is stable at speed, doesn't get knocked around in variable conditions and roughed-up groomers, AND manages to be good in a few inches of fresh snow, then I'll be placing my order shortly.
176 or 181? ;)
The design doesn't make any sense a slalom ski with a 95mm waist? There is a reason it's one of a kind. I can't see it working as an all mountain ski or a very useful carving ski.
I think it will surprise you. It's hard to wrap your head around this ski because it's so different than what we're accustomed to talking about, but it's pretty darn cool. I'd say the only thing in your list that would feel totally inappropriate on it would be speed runs. If you're mimicking Super G or DH skiing, it's not the right tool.
What's the camber/rocker ratio?
Pretty close to traditional camber. A very short tip rocker and almost no tail rocker.
Yup, like Martin said, it's basically full camber.
What will they be selling for
699$
First yeahaah! Hi from Kitzsteinhorn glacier.
These will most likely feel like the Rossi exp hd/ti line
They're quite a bit different than those skis in both design and overall feel. Very unique ski.
@@SkiEssentials I see, I thought they will be just fat carving skis
no way this an be good in bumps, but Id love to prove wrong.
We'll let you know in a couple days!
tail was just intentionally made to look different? not the most catching phrase.
Haha, knowing Peter, there was A LOT more that went into the design of the tail than just looking cool, but I did find that comment funny too. He's a fairly quiet, humble guy, but I know from spending a lot of time with him that he's a very detailed oriented engineer and wouldn't do something without good reason.
First impression, this ski may be catchy and too much like a slalom ski, lets see the results...
Nothing new really.Salomon did the BBR series a few years ago. Same sorta concept. I'm still skiing BBR 10.0's as they are an incredible ski.
Stopped watching when I realized they weren’t ski blades. Lame
Umm ,Salomon BBR 10.0? Remember how those were ment to be revolutionary. Same theory by the looks of things.
The BBR 10 had between 20m to 22m turn radius which would be completely opposite from these.
Interesting ski design but who was the skier demoing the ski, dude stop swinging your shoulders.