From what I quickly saw on some YT channels, the question being asked is : Did the goverment get some money from these 10 top companies ? And if yes, where did the money go as it doesn't look like Hybe get anything ? My economics professor used to say "money doesn't disappear, it only changes pockets" ... Also, I believe such noises around the BTS concert organisation + the VIP not being properly invited and/or didn't attend the concert + the Scout Jamboree fiasco where not good indicators that Koreo would be able to organise the World exposition.
Amidst the Martial Law hearing, a new info came out that actually President Yoon government did allocate a budget for the Concert but somehow the money went elsewhere. So, instead of using the money to pay for the BTS Busan concert, the money was "embezzled".
It was a fairly well buried story in either Korea times, or herald. BTS was volunteered. Big Hit and BTS were totally ripped off. paid for almost the entire thing. They got back by paying for it themselves, BUT changed it to a free concert. Also, The gov. thought they had control of BTS by stalling ruling on BTS military exception. It backfired because BTS members had always said they would go to military, period. 2 days post concert they made announcement, with Jin going first.
31:41 not just respect them as artists… respect them as citizens of South Korea who don’t deserve to be exploited or carted out as side show peaces to make you look good
I remember back then thinking that yes they were completely using BTS for their own gain. It was frustrating to see as for whatever reason, they didn’t meet the criteria to be exempt from the military after all they’ve done to bring attention to SK but if they need something, they quickly throw BTS in front to promote it.
The thing is BTS never asked for anything regarding military service they always said they'd go when called, RM's words 'Go when called'. They had planned to go earlier but covid happened. Government officials visited 2 of the bangtan members families to pressure them into not starting their military service so they could do the concert. Yes we knew about that also. Jin had to set back the date he was going to start his military service in order to do the concert he wanted to start his military service before the winter.
There was a news released right after the 2nd president got impeached this year regarding the current government didn't pay BTS for the Busan concert. That's why international fans hope you will cover this issue.
So, International ARMYs did know about the Committee didn't want to pay for the Concert, causing HYBE having to pay for the cost. We just didn't know about the Govt budget.
Actually, I followed this in 2022. It was ARMYs who found the land was owned by an official who wanted to use the concert to get the land developed by the government for free. They found safety concerns about the grounds itself and transportation concerns. They were ignored until they finally got a newspaper involved. After weeks, it was finally changed to the arena. Also, it was ARMYs who brought out the price gouging, hotels were canceling reservations only to raise prices 3-10 fold. I personally had my $49 a night go up to 249 during the weekend of the concert. Others had there cost go up during the whole week. There were so many issues, they weren’t chosen because the world saw how poorly they worked on this concert venue and organization of everything related to it. Look at how they embezzled the boy scout jamboree funds and not provide the minimal of comfort for them. They put them in a field without enough toilets, that floods, just a poor location because they spent the money traveling. This is money raised by the boyscouts too!
It was ARMY who visited the orginal site and took photo's and notes and basically did the risk assessment on the site. This is why HYBE moved it to the stadium and had to replaced panels that had come free in a bad storm.
It’s quite interesting how the two Koreas evolved in two dramatically different directions yet both ended up corrupt hellscape dystopias with no rule of law.
To be fair, there is rule of law in South Korea. But I was shocked to have realised that as late as the 1990s political assassinations were still a thing. It reminds me of how young their democracy is. There is nothing wrong with that. Just look at how corrupt the US is. And they are supposed to be the beacon of democracy. Well. Not anymore. Especially not lately.
I wouldn't mind so much that the SK government wants to somehow benefit from BTS' popularity if the government hadn't been and still is actively and passively doing things to hurt BTS and Hybe.
We have always paid attention to this subject. Those of us older ARMY, don't need leaks, we know what happened. The first was a you tuber seol light, he had info on Busan concert about safety and underhanded things going on, so he went to Busan and scouted it all out. I was appalled.
I loved watching that concert. I remember being excited to watch their one and only Run BTS performance. But I also felt they were manipulated to do it by dangling enlistment exemption. And then they suggested modified enlistment?! That really got my goat! The government wanted access to BTS members and forced them to perform as they saw fit. Oh hell no! And then the safety issues of the first venue! I mean. Come on! How is it that HYBE cares more about the welfare of the people than the government, whose sole purpose is the welfare of the people? And then throughout this whole concert, I don't remember BTS, not even once, mentioning, nevermind promoting, the Expo bid, which tells me, "Okay, we're done being manipulated!" I hated that they didn't get the exemption, but in retrospect, I'm glad that they didn't. The government can still manipulate them, but at least they have less power over them. I don't really know why this topic is coming up again. It's interesting revisiting. At the time, it was so complicated. Now it feels cut and dry.
Yes, military service is mandatory for BTS but it is an underlying advantage they now have, as getting 'exemption' is not something that can now be held over them as some sort of bargaining tool. BTS remain in control and I think they learned a lesson from this. Independence is key. The problem is that the Government had A BUDGET for at least some of the expenses. Hybe did not get this budget. You do not plan to host a world event like a world expo or the Olympics without ring-fencing funds. They just spent the money elsewhere. NOT FAIR ON HYBE/BIG HIT.💜
I agree, BTS remain in control and was smart enough to change a burden (military service) into an opportunity (solo works and individual releases). They managed this supposed to be "hiatus" very well through a thorough advanced planning.
Not only that this means they can squeeze any private companies there. If the ones they squeeze are the chaebols from the 1990s then you can argue that those guys grew so dominant and intertwined with the government due to government’s funding them in the 1990s. So paying for the government when called from time to time is quid pro quo. But HYBE only exists since December 2020. It is probably the first company of this size that received no such benefits. Which MAY explain why some elements in the Korean government is so hell bent on showing HYBE who is boss. Who knows. But that’s a different topic.
The Korean committee so mishandled this it was obvious to me they wouldn’t win the expo bid. BTS and Hybe stepped up and covered everything to maintain their reputation and standard of quality
The government wanted to control BTS, they wanted to make them work while in military you can’t have a paying job) because they wanted to keep all that money. When they are all back, if the government wants to use them, all BHM needs to do is send them to the USA ‘for work’ ; they have served their country so the government has no excuse anymore.
Thanks for this update, HB! I keep thinking, sk's politicians spend way too much time misbehaving rather than taking good care of the people's business...smh 🙄
To be fair this is most governments because sadly there the nature of humans and power. There are only better governments but not a perfect ones. They usually involved opposition parties or some sort of internal and external checks and balances as well as levels of corruptions.
I remember the Expo situation being a mess. When the intended venue for the concert was chosen, I wondered how would they be able to hold a concert in such a location that was not ready to receive many, many people. I’m glad it was moved for the safety of the concert goers. It seemed fishy to everyone but now knowing that HYBE paid for the whole thing? It’s shocking.
They did scam BTS and you could tell during the show (especially the Rapline Ugh and Cypher part 3 performance) that BTS was pissed. I loved that they announced the next day they were going in the military.
Even during their military service pres. Yoon used Namjoon to improve his image by visiting the base he was at & posing 3 rows back but making sure to have Namjoon in the shot.
I agree and have many times written the same thing. I hope they never do another concert in S. Korea again. Although this will hurt the citizens but maybe the noise will be directed towards their government on behalf of the horrible treatment towards Bts! No tourist, no income. just maybe the light bulb will finally go off. I feel bad saying this but enough is enough. They constantly "Use" Bts and it's not like they are (the government) hiding it. I would love to know where the budget money went? Enjoy your weekend...💜
Yoon reminds me of a president Drump wants to be. Before the jamboree, Yoon wanted BTS to perform at his inauguration, and they turned it down. BTS had schedules or something. BTS bridged a connection with the UN and UNICEF 2017, not the Korean Gov. They were invited as the top youth leaders of South Korea. Specifically RM. Then MOON used BTS campaigns already in play with UN and Samsung year after year to sit there at the UN beside BTS. Yoon, before this was already blocking MOON's every attempt to exempt BTS. I think before MOON left office, BTS may have told him they would serve. Parliament made suggestions of a shorter term after Yoon was in office, but Yoon or Yoon's party shot that down too. Yoon pushed an audit on HYBE as soon as he got into office and it lasted months. They found nothing. After that, Yoon went hopping around to the competition labels and other big corporations to see if they wanted BTS exempted? Why would he need to go there in person that a simple email could not say? Fishy. Fishy. I think something happened here. The criticism from the public is that BTS and HYBE did nothing for the people. HYBE is not the gov. I do not see them saying sh1t about the Big3 owing the country anything. This seemed unreasonable and sabotaging of the good name of BTS. They did not even take gov money even while they were bankrupt. Why does BTS owe anyone anything? I think RM and the guys are doing all these webs of content outside of HYBE because of that criticism. But they were previously shut out and shunned by these same people and channels, hosts, etc. Has it really changed? You could not tell with how much favor MHJ was getting and the criticism HYBE received. No one would stand up for them (in public).
Me: :Reads title.: Me: Yes, it did. It tried to give BTS an extremely unsafe, almost inaccessible venue, and when HYBE protested, the government basically flounced, saying 'Fine, find your own venue, and pay for it yourself. But you WILL hold this concert.' And of course, the proposed budget for the original unsafe venue 'disappeared'. And when HYBE asked recompense for everything they had to spend on the Asiad Main, the government said NO. HYBE spent 7B KW, or $4.75M out of their own pocket for that concert, and never got a bit of it back. The government even pressured Jimin's father to get his son and the group to agree to it. Just recently, it was revealed that there WAS military exemption in the works for them, and it was supposed to come before the General Assembly. But the Defense Committee refused to release it so it could be voted on. (Source Reporter Kim, K-Pop Shock, Jan 5: ruclips.net/video/1bfKa1la-RI/видео.html)
After these issue going viral on X, it remind me to RM's Groin. And now listened from this channel also remind me to that song. Thanks Hybe Boy~nim to give some article news to show me the detail and this is very helpfull. In my oppinion, as a morality that even Hive said that everything for the concert of BTS is free but, are they think not important to pay some people who contributes for the concert? The goverment who ask BTS, choose them and invite them, they must have a moral things to give the fee for everybody behind the concert. But, yeah, Hive has a wise words that the concert is for the country, that's why even people in my local home who don't know South Korea but know BTS they know person name Taehyung and Jungkook, because their daughters or nieces always mention them and severally of parents are happy because their children so happy because BTS
28:50. There was controversy here following issuing the photocards for the jamboree. The gov said they would launch an investigation into an oversaturation of photocards. I'm not sure what the stupid complaint was, but this seemed like an angry response from the gov to get back at bys even though they know what the photocards were for. The international people gobbled them up with more interest than the other artists. I Tthink this is also when MHJ was getting in her media campaign groove on. The investigation made no sense. I think another label did do something but they pointed at HYBE to make a media storm.
I think the issues is that while is spoken of in 2022 there are a lot of international ARMYS that weren’t paying too much attention or focused more on Jin enlistment, and also no one had an idea of how corrupt the government was going to be…. I think now it became more like the Busan concert is like look this was the first red flag and why Army never supported the current government
BTS appears to be an irresistible golden goose to corrupt and stupidly shortsighted SK politicians. Thank goodness that government is being replaced before they succeeded in seriously damaging BTS's reputation and important economic contribution. Did the Busan, or the national SK government, collect any corporate or other contributions for the BTS concert? Were these funds recorded? And, as HYBE covered the concert's total costs, where did those funds go?
theres only 193 countries recognised by the UN and 2 observer states (Vatican City & Palestine), but many other self-governing territories (like Somaliland, Kosovo, Northern Cyprus and more) exist and recieve only partial recognition as independent countries by other entities so it really depends
Did you really not know that HYBE were left holding as we say in the UK 'Stuffed holding the baby' or the other saying use is 'left carrying the can' eg left to pay the bill because others' run off or refused to pay, never intended to up hold their end of the deal
To me, they are STILL using BTS by bringing it up again just for political reasons. If they wanted to defend or reimburse BTS they would have done it 2 years ago.
It was bad timing back then because BTS was going to the Military. So the votes for EXPO got neglected. That was their heart breaking concert. And SK didn’t invite the important people like those who will vote for EXPO.
Did you see the video of their submissions? Barely BTS in it, it was badly made...even donating that much, still Hybe gets cold shoulders from media and governments.
SeouliteTV did a series of this issue 2 years ago. SK govt seemed to aim to use BTS as a cultural weapon. Now looking at the Busan concert again their intense performances hits differently.
28:39 Actually we believe the president is angry because BTS refused to perform at his inauguration, not the jamboree. We also believe he is jealous because BTS did help the previous president to speak at the UN.
It is more like the previous president took advantage of an ongoing campaign between hybe/bts and UN/UNICEF, inserted himself and his govt in there for the optics. And then bts was made to be some kind of diplomatic ambassadors (temporary), also for optics. They did not benefit from it at all. If you have noticed, hybe/bts/kpop in general, tries to stay away from politics. But they keep being dragged into it due to them being bts. Even that Busan free concert happened because politicians were pressuring bts members parents by visiting their homes!
What I kept thinking was how, while all the wheelings and dealings go on, the BTS guys are so above all the dirt there may be, at any particular moment. They are all so, so incredibly talented; together, and on their own, but, they are also extraordinary human beings. Put that altogether and you get beings who bring nothing but light and joy to the world. I realize this is a bit off point. But, there is always so much going on around them; much, not good, even while some of them are still in the military, so, I’m also astounded by their strength.
you didn´t se this but we all talked about it after BTS festa 2022. they had a dinner togehter and talked about their future one thing they do every year. but this year it was filled with tears. i hope you watch that someday. I remember jimins words clearly saying. we try to be as honest as possible but there are still things we can´t tell you but we hope you keep that in mind for the future. i think Jimin was trying to tell us that so many things was happening with the government that they couldn´t talk about and felt trapped. they tried to use BTS promising them excemption if they hlped them with the busan event and other things in the future. and RM even broke down doing the dinner saying that him and BTS was put in this situation where they represent there whole country, without ever wanting to or felt worthy of. so it was their way of saying we wont bow down to the government we wont let them use us and hoped that army would understand after their annoucement of military enlistment. BTS did announce the enlistment the day after the concert like a F.. you korean goverment but we chose to serve on our own. the talk about excemption was still ongoing at that time. BTS felt trapped by politic goverment people who wanted to exploit them. so happy they got out of it.
RM's tears during that Festa make so much more sense now. It's wishful thinking, but I hope no other politician tries to exploit BTS ever again. Politicians are disgusting.
Oh, why is HB posting here? ... HB, this has been said since BTS was doing things for the Korean government and culture, etc. Most of the time, HYBE was covering all their cost, and the government didn't pay up for anything. especially when some politicians request time and time again for BTS to do things like appearances, etc. Since then, we believe they were forced to do things for the government. Like the president requiring BTS at the last minute to appear with the president. It was not something they wanted, but their government asked the UN. Then the voted to send them to the military despite people wanting BTS to continue since they give so much more than anyone as Korean citizens and money they bring into the GDP. We know This and so much more.
Several politicians hate BTS and Hybe until now. They used Hanni from New Jeans to attack Hybe's image. But then the investigation proved it wrong. They also accused Hybe made one of their employee death because overwork. But the investigation proved it wrong. In the past BTS made song about politic called "I am wrong" and other song about national disaster that connect to the politic at that time, it called "Spring Day". Only BTS since Seo Taji and the Boys that have a gut to make those kind of songs.
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I remember the articles criticizing those politicians that forcibly yanked the arms of RM and V to make it appear the boys supported them/the government during photo ops for the Busan Expo bid. That, together with the issues about funding and organizing the Busan concert, and the politicians baiting BTS with the prospect of an exemption, just gave me the impression that this government was not ok. It just seemed they/the politicians wanted the prestige but were not really capable of hosting such big, worldwide events. When news came out about how badly the World Scout gathering was handled, then that tragedy at Itaewon, I thought, the Busan bid was not going to succeed. It's infuriating that it was while this administration was in power that all these other horrible things happened, such as the interrogations of Lee Sun Kyun, Suga, and that inquiry on workplace harassment where some politicians were obviously biased toward/against certain parties. All citizens deserve a decent government. It's surprising that a developed country like SK still had to bear such types of politicians. But I suppose there are horrible politicians wherever you go. I wonder if a budget had actually been allotted to the Busan concert. Considering the government didn't pay for it, that budget should still be intact and not pocketed by any politician. It's the SK people's money.
It is important to note that it was already decided that they will go to the military without any exemptions by the time Busan free concert was decided. They didn’t do it in the hope of being exempted.
@@HailToTheMeep correct that decision was made way in advance and they ended up having to put it off twice first time due to covid second time due to be 'forced' roped into doing the concert.
I had never heard of the world expo until the Busan concert. I am from the USA and as far to my knowledge, I don’t think we participate in that. Maybe we do and I’m just not heard it. Anyway, even though I don’t know much about it I think if I was on the board of voting the way that Busan treated BTS and Hybe would have kept me from voting for them. They lied about paying for it. They had a venue that wasn’t safe and it wasn’t until army Checked it out and said something that it was changed. They waited until the concert date was announced and everything before they even let anybody know that they weren’t gonna pay for it. All of those things would’ve kept me from voting for them. So Busan cut off the end of their nose to spite their face when they treated BTS like this. Nobody is faulting BTS for this., no it is the government that is at fault for losing the vote
I don’t believe any of them care about the expo. The campaign was just an excuse for them to gain something else. This is why none of the voting members of the expo was invited.
The World Expo, also know as The World Fair has been held many times in the USA. The Unisphere was built for the 1964 fair in New York City. I think the last World Fair was in New Orleans in the 80s. Hope this helps. Enjoy your weekend...💜
@ OK yeah I did not know that the world expo was the world fair. It was my understanding that the world fair was gone and no longer happening.. thank you for telling me this
Hello! BTS is still going through a huge hate train. Even now, RM cannot post words aor a single picture without receiving hate. The gov just investigated hybe without reason for workplace bullying and overworking employees without evidence or even a complaint in one of those matters. Back to the point where BTS did more for SK than anyone else up for exemption. They deserved it and the people voted for them to be exempted 9 of 10 times. Why didn't Yoon exempt them like he promised? Wasn't it just before that, the Saudi prince showed up. Yoon demanded Bang PD be there at the request of the prince. Yoon received billions in deals to build nuclear power plants for SA, and like 5 billion in promise of additional events. Is the gov making deals that BTS or other artists would entertain for SA and still pocketing the money and leaving the artists to pay the expense? They said Yoon had no intention of doing the expo. Guess who win the bid? SA. SA wealth fund was involved with Kakao to inflate SM stock and stop HYBE acquisition of SM. Do you remember Yoo. Went around to SM, competing labels and other major corporations including Kakao to see their opinion on giving BTS exemption, but to me, Yoon sided with the take down of hybe, or at least some means to take their money. This followed him launching an audit into HYBE right after getting into office that lasted for months.
On the other hand, in Dec 24, the Ministry Of Employment And Labor ruled at least 2 times in Hybe favor : they allow the company to retain its “Top Company” certification, then they concluded that there were no violations of the law from HYBE regarding a employee death, and even more recently they dismissed allegations of workplace harassment against executives of HYBE. So maybe something is changing.
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From what I quickly saw on some YT channels, the question being asked is : Did the goverment get some money from these 10 top companies ? And if yes, where did the money go as it doesn't look like Hybe get anything ?
My economics professor used to say "money doesn't disappear, it only changes pockets" ...
Also, I believe such noises around the BTS concert organisation + the VIP not being properly invited and/or didn't attend the concert + the Scout Jamboree fiasco where not good indicators that Koreo would be able to organise the World exposition.
Amidst the Martial Law hearing, a new info came out that actually President Yoon government did allocate a budget for the Concert but somehow the money went elsewhere. So, instead of using the money to pay for the BTS Busan concert, the money was "embezzled".
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It was a fairly well buried story in either Korea times, or herald. BTS was volunteered. Big Hit and BTS were totally ripped off. paid for almost the entire thing. They got back by paying for it themselves, BUT changed it to a free concert. Also, The gov. thought they had control of BTS by stalling ruling on BTS military exception. It backfired because BTS members had always said they would go to military, period. 2 days post concert they made announcement, with Jin going first.
No this was not new news. What was circulating around Twitter was opinions with unsupported news clips
Yea, let's be careful with such rumours, we're trying to find out what 'actually' happened.
31:41 not just respect them as artists… respect them as citizens of South Korea who don’t deserve to be exploited or carted out as side show peaces to make you look good
I remember back then thinking that yes they were completely using BTS for their own gain. It was frustrating to see as for whatever reason, they didn’t meet the criteria to be exempt from the military after all they’ve done to bring attention to SK but if they need something, they quickly throw BTS in front to promote it.
The thing is BTS never asked for anything regarding military service they always said they'd go when called, RM's words 'Go when called'.
They had planned to go earlier but covid happened. Government officials visited 2 of the bangtan members families to pressure them into not starting their military service so they could do the concert. Yes we knew about that also. Jin had to set back the date he was going to start his military service in order to do the concert he wanted to start his military service before the winter.
There was a news released right after the 2nd president got impeached this year regarding the current government didn't pay BTS for the Busan concert. That's why international fans hope you will cover this issue.
아직도 못잊어요 저때 본인들 관련되있는 땅인거 쏙 숨기고 허허벌판에 모든사람들 이용하려고 한것에 ㄱ화났음. 공연날도 관리 잘 안되고, 초대로 초청한 사람들은 오지도 않아서 빈좌석으로 만들고..
So, International ARMYs did know about the Committee didn't want to pay for the Concert, causing HYBE having to pay for the cost. We just didn't know about the Govt budget.
Correct we found out about the fact there was a budget that BTS/HYBE never saw a penny of it later.
Actually, I followed this in 2022. It was ARMYs who found the land was owned by an official who wanted to use the concert to get the land developed by the government for free. They found safety concerns about the grounds itself and transportation concerns. They were ignored until they finally got a newspaper involved. After weeks, it was finally changed to the arena. Also, it was ARMYs who brought out the price gouging, hotels were canceling reservations only to raise prices 3-10 fold. I personally had my $49 a night go up to 249 during the weekend of the concert. Others had there cost go up during the whole week. There were so many issues, they weren’t chosen because the world saw how poorly they worked on this concert venue and organization of everything related to it.
Look at how they embezzled the boy scout jamboree funds and not provide the minimal of comfort for them. They put them in a field without enough toilets, that floods, just a poor location because they spent the money traveling. This is money raised by the boyscouts too!
It was ARMY who visited the orginal site and took photo's and notes and basically did the risk assessment on the site. This is why HYBE moved it to the stadium and had to replaced panels that had come free in a bad storm.
It’s quite interesting how the two Koreas evolved in two dramatically different directions yet both ended up corrupt hellscape dystopias with no rule of law.
To be fair, there is rule of law in South Korea. But I was shocked to have realised that as late as the 1990s political assassinations were still a thing. It reminds me of how young their democracy is. There is nothing wrong with that. Just look at how corrupt the US is. And they are supposed to be the beacon of democracy. Well. Not anymore. Especially not lately.
I wouldn't mind so much that the SK government wants to somehow benefit from BTS' popularity if the government hadn't been and still is actively and passively doing things to hurt BTS and Hybe.
because they're soo corrupt, .. the expect bribery money from HYBE
We have always paid attention to this subject. Those of us older ARMY, don't need leaks, we know what happened. The first was a you tuber seol light, he had info on Busan concert about safety and underhanded things going on, so he went to Busan and scouted it all out. I was appalled.
I loved watching that concert. I remember being excited to watch their one and only Run BTS performance. But I also felt they were manipulated to do it by dangling enlistment exemption. And then they suggested modified enlistment?! That really got my goat! The government wanted access to BTS members and forced them to perform as they saw fit. Oh hell no! And then the safety issues of the first venue! I mean. Come on! How is it that HYBE cares more about the welfare of the people than the government, whose sole purpose is the welfare of the people? And then throughout this whole concert, I don't remember BTS, not even once, mentioning, nevermind promoting, the Expo bid, which tells me, "Okay, we're done being manipulated!" I hated that they didn't get the exemption, but in retrospect, I'm glad that they didn't. The government can still manipulate them, but at least they have less power over them.
I don't really know why this topic is coming up again. It's interesting revisiting. At the time, it was so complicated. Now it feels cut and dry.
Because of the attempted Coup and the investigation that resulted due to it. Things are now coming to light.
Yes, military service is mandatory for BTS but it is an underlying advantage they now have, as getting 'exemption' is not something that can now be held over them as some sort of bargaining tool. BTS remain in control and I think they learned a lesson from this. Independence is key.
The problem is that the Government had A BUDGET for at least some of the expenses. Hybe did not get this budget. You do not plan to host a world event like a world expo or the Olympics without ring-fencing funds. They just spent the money elsewhere. NOT FAIR ON HYBE/BIG HIT.💜
I agree, BTS remain in control and was smart enough to change a burden (military service) into an opportunity (solo works and individual releases). They managed this supposed to be "hiatus" very well through a thorough advanced planning.
Not only that this means they can squeeze any private companies there. If the ones they squeeze are the chaebols from the 1990s then you can argue that those guys grew so dominant and intertwined with the government due to government’s funding them in the 1990s. So paying for the government when called from time to time is quid pro quo.
But HYBE only exists since December 2020. It is probably the first company of this size that received no such benefits.
Which MAY explain why some elements in the Korean government is so hell bent on showing HYBE who is boss. Who knows. But that’s a different topic.
The Korean committee so mishandled this it was obvious to me they wouldn’t win the expo bid.
BTS and Hybe stepped up and covered everything to maintain their reputation and standard of quality
The government wanted to control BTS, they wanted to make them work while in military you can’t have a paying job) because they wanted to keep all that money.
When they are all back, if the government wants to use them, all BHM needs to do is send them to the USA ‘for work’ ; they have served their country so the government has no excuse anymore.
Thanks for this update, HB!
I keep thinking, sk's politicians spend way too much time misbehaving rather than taking good care of the people's business...smh 🙄
To be fair this is most governments because sadly there the nature of humans and power. There are only better governments but not a perfect ones. They usually involved opposition parties or some sort of internal and external checks and balances as well as levels of corruptions.
I remember the Expo situation being a mess. When the intended venue for the concert was chosen, I wondered how would they be able to hold a concert in such a location that was not ready to receive many, many people. I’m glad it was moved for the safety of the concert goers. It seemed fishy to everyone but now knowing that HYBE paid for the whole thing? It’s shocking.
They did scam BTS and you could tell during the show (especially the Rapline Ugh and Cypher part 3 performance) that BTS was pissed. I loved that they announced the next day they were going in the military.
Even during their military service pres. Yoon used Namjoon to improve his image by visiting the base he was at & posing 3 rows back but making sure to have Namjoon in the shot.
@ exactly. That picture made me so angry
I cannot wait until they get out of the military and owe them NOTHING
I agree and have many times written the same thing. I hope they never do another concert in S. Korea again. Although this will hurt the citizens but maybe the noise will be directed towards their government on behalf of the horrible treatment towards Bts! No tourist, no income. just maybe the light bulb will finally go off. I feel bad saying this but enough is enough. They constantly "Use" Bts and it's not like they are (the government)
hiding it. I would love to know where the budget money went? Enjoy your weekend...💜
Yoon reminds me of a president Drump wants to be.
Before the jamboree, Yoon wanted BTS to perform at his inauguration, and they turned it down. BTS had schedules or something. BTS bridged a connection with the UN and UNICEF 2017, not the Korean Gov. They were invited as the top youth leaders of South Korea. Specifically RM. Then MOON used BTS campaigns already in play with UN and Samsung year after year to sit there at the UN beside BTS. Yoon, before this was already blocking MOON's every attempt to exempt BTS. I think before MOON left office, BTS may have told him they would serve. Parliament made suggestions of a shorter term after Yoon was in office, but Yoon or Yoon's party shot that down too. Yoon pushed an audit on HYBE as soon as he got into office and it lasted months. They found nothing. After that, Yoon went hopping around to the competition labels and other big corporations to see if they wanted BTS exempted? Why would he need to go there in person that a simple email could not say? Fishy. Fishy. I think something happened here. The criticism from the public is that BTS and HYBE did nothing for the people. HYBE is not the gov. I do not see them saying sh1t about the Big3 owing the country anything. This seemed unreasonable and sabotaging of the good name of BTS. They did not even take gov money even while they were bankrupt. Why does BTS owe anyone anything? I think RM and the guys are doing all these webs of content outside of HYBE because of that criticism. But they were previously shut out and shunned by these same people and channels, hosts, etc. Has it really changed? You could not tell with how much favor MHJ was getting and the criticism HYBE received. No one would stand up for them (in public).
We knew a lot at the time and many of us were there at that concert and many of us were viewing via the live stream.
The momentum BTS built was COMPLETELY destroyed by the world Scout Jamboree SCANDAL 😖 …
That was a international embarrassment 😖😖😖
Me: :Reads title.:
Me: Yes, it did. It tried to give BTS an extremely unsafe, almost inaccessible venue, and when HYBE protested, the government basically flounced, saying 'Fine, find your own venue, and pay for it yourself. But you WILL hold this concert.' And of course, the proposed budget for the original unsafe venue 'disappeared'.
And when HYBE asked recompense for everything they had to spend on the Asiad Main, the government said NO. HYBE spent 7B KW, or $4.75M out of their own pocket for that concert, and never got a bit of it back.
The government even pressured Jimin's father to get his son and the group to agree to it.
Just recently, it was revealed that there WAS military exemption in the works for them, and it was supposed to come before the General Assembly. But the Defense Committee refused to release it so it could be voted on. (Source Reporter Kim, K-Pop Shock, Jan 5: ruclips.net/video/1bfKa1la-RI/видео.html)
After these issue going viral on X, it remind me to RM's Groin.
And now listened from this channel also remind me to that song.
Thanks Hybe Boy~nim to give some article news to show me the detail and this is very helpfull.
In my oppinion, as a morality that even Hive said that everything for the concert of BTS is free but, are they think not important to pay some people who contributes for the concert?
The goverment who ask BTS, choose them and invite them, they must have a moral things to give the fee for everybody behind the concert. But, yeah, Hive has a wise words that the concert is for the country, that's why even people in my local home who don't know South Korea but know BTS they know person name Taehyung and Jungkook, because their daughters or nieces always mention them and severally of parents are happy because their children so happy because BTS
28:50. There was controversy here following issuing the photocards for the jamboree. The gov said they would launch an investigation into an oversaturation of photocards. I'm not sure what the stupid complaint was, but this seemed like an angry response from the gov to get back at bys even though they know what the photocards were for. The international people gobbled them up with more interest than the other artists. I Tthink this is also when MHJ was getting in her media campaign groove on. The investigation made no sense. I think another label did do something but they pointed at HYBE to make a media storm.
I think the issues is that while is spoken of in 2022 there are a lot of international ARMYS that weren’t paying too much attention or focused more on Jin enlistment, and also no one had an idea of how corrupt the government was going to be…. I think now it became more like the Busan concert is like look this was the first red flag and why Army never supported the current government
BTS appears to be an irresistible golden goose to corrupt and stupidly shortsighted SK politicians. Thank goodness that government is being replaced before they succeeded in seriously damaging BTS's reputation and important economic contribution.
Did the Busan, or the national SK government, collect any corporate or other contributions for the BTS concert? Were these funds recorded? And, as HYBE covered the concert's total costs, where did those funds go?
Yes, they surly did
Huh!
Officials claimed ‘229 countries were invited’.
There are only 195 countries in the world… someone was lying, methinks.
theres only 193 countries recognised by the UN and 2 observer states (Vatican City & Palestine), but many other self-governing territories (like Somaliland, Kosovo, Northern Cyprus and more) exist and recieve only partial recognition as independent countries by other entities so it really depends
Did you really not know that HYBE were left holding as we say in the UK 'Stuffed holding the baby' or the other saying use is 'left carrying the can' eg left to pay the bill because others' run off or refused to pay, never intended to up hold their end of the deal
To me, they are STILL using BTS by bringing it up again just for political reasons. If they wanted to defend or reimburse BTS they would have done it 2 years ago.
Dam right you've hit the nail on it's head.
It was bad timing back then because BTS was going to the Military. So the votes for EXPO got neglected. That was their heart breaking concert. And SK didn’t invite the important people like those who will vote for EXPO.
Yes yes yes
Did you see the video of their submissions? Barely BTS in it, it was badly made...even donating that much, still Hybe gets cold shoulders from media and governments.
SeouliteTV did a series of this issue 2 years ago. SK govt seemed to aim to use BTS as a cultural weapon. Now looking at the Busan concert again their intense performances hits differently.
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Actually we believe the president is angry because BTS refused to perform at his inauguration, not the jamboree.
We also believe he is jealous because BTS did help the previous president to speak at the UN.
It is more like the previous president took advantage of an ongoing campaign between hybe/bts and UN/UNICEF, inserted himself and his govt in there for the optics.
And then bts was made to be some kind of diplomatic ambassadors (temporary), also for optics. They did not benefit from it at all.
If you have noticed, hybe/bts/kpop in general, tries to stay away from politics. But they keep being dragged into it due to them being bts.
Even that Busan free concert happened because politicians were pressuring bts members parents by visiting their homes!
What I kept thinking was how, while all the wheelings and dealings go on, the BTS guys are so above all the dirt there may be, at any particular moment. They are all so, so incredibly talented; together, and on their own, but, they are also extraordinary human beings. Put that altogether and you get beings who bring nothing but light and joy to the world.
I realize this is a bit off point. But, there is always so much going on around them; much, not good, even while some of them are still in the military, so, I’m also astounded by their strength.
The answer is Yes
you didn´t se this but we all talked about it after BTS festa 2022. they had a dinner togehter and talked about their future one thing they do every year. but this year it was filled with tears. i hope you watch that someday.
I remember jimins words clearly saying. we try to be as honest as possible but there are still things we can´t tell you but we hope you keep that in mind for the future. i think Jimin was trying to tell us that so many things was happening with the government that they couldn´t talk about and felt trapped. they tried to use BTS promising them excemption if they hlped them with the busan event and other things in the future.
and RM even broke down doing the dinner saying that him and BTS was put in this situation where they represent there whole country, without ever wanting to or felt worthy of. so it was their way of saying we wont bow down to the government we wont let them use us and hoped that army would understand after their annoucement of military enlistment. BTS did announce the enlistment the day after the concert like a F.. you korean goverment but we chose to serve on our own. the talk about excemption was still ongoing at that time. BTS felt trapped by politic goverment people who wanted to exploit them. so happy they got out of it.
i know because i also follow seolite channel who covered the whole enlistment issue. all army hoped they would get it but now i am glad they didn´t
RM's tears during that Festa make so much more sense now.
It's wishful thinking, but I hope no other politician tries to exploit BTS ever again. Politicians are disgusting.
Why do you think RM had a go at them in his track Groin have you looked at the lyrics.?
Oh yes we remember it all I'm suprised you didn't know any thing about.
International ARMY created a big back lash about it on social media.
Oh, why is HB posting here? ... HB, this has been said since BTS was doing things for the Korean government and culture, etc. Most of the time, HYBE was covering all their cost, and the government didn't pay up for anything. especially when some politicians request time and time again for BTS to do things like appearances, etc. Since then, we believe they were forced to do things for the government. Like the president requiring BTS at the last minute to appear with the president. It was not something they wanted, but their government asked the UN. Then the voted to send them to the military despite people wanting BTS to continue since they give so much more than anyone as Korean citizens and money they bring into the GDP. We know This and so much more.
It was worldwide ARMY watching Bangtan live did they really try to say it was people connected to and wanting to be at EXPO uggg
Several politicians hate BTS and Hybe until now. They used Hanni from New Jeans to attack Hybe's image. But then the investigation proved it wrong. They also accused Hybe made one of their employee death because overwork. But the investigation proved it wrong. In the past BTS made song about politic called "I am wrong" and other song about national disaster that connect to the politic at that time, it called "Spring Day". Only BTS since Seo Taji and the Boys that have a gut to make those kind of songs.
Srčno upam, da se to ne bo več ponovilo, ko pridejo člani BTS nazaj.
Is this HYBE BOY’s second channel?
Yes
Yes !
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@@KlassyKorea Haha! It was funny hearing your voice on this channel, and it took me a few seconds to remember it was your 2nd channel you had us subscribe to a whole back! 😂 I like the fun new and different content concept! 👍👍 Great job, as always! 🥰
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I remember the articles criticizing those politicians that forcibly yanked the arms of RM and V to make it appear the boys supported them/the government during photo ops for the Busan Expo bid. That, together with the issues about funding and organizing the Busan concert, and the politicians baiting BTS with the prospect of an exemption, just gave me the impression that this government was not ok. It just seemed they/the politicians wanted the prestige but were not really capable of hosting such big, worldwide events. When news came out about how badly the World Scout gathering was handled, then that tragedy at Itaewon, I thought, the Busan bid was not going to succeed.
It's infuriating that it was while this administration was in power that all these other horrible things happened, such as the interrogations of Lee Sun Kyun, Suga, and that inquiry on workplace harassment where some politicians were obviously biased toward/against certain parties.
All citizens deserve a decent government. It's surprising that a developed country like SK still had to bear such types of politicians. But I suppose there are horrible politicians wherever you go.
I wonder if a budget had actually been allotted to the Busan concert. Considering the government didn't pay for it, that budget should still be intact and not pocketed by any politician. It's the SK people's money.
The SK government was supposed to get sponsors to help fund the concert but they didn't actively contact anyone.
@@eileencritchley4630It doesn't speak well of the government if it was just relying on sponsorships to totally fund such an important venture
@ Completely agree with you they were so short sighted and disorganised doesn't bow well for the country.
It is important to note that it was already decided that they will go to the military without any exemptions by the time Busan free concert was decided. They didn’t do it in the hope of being exempted.
@@HailToTheMeep correct that decision was made way in advance and they ended up having to put it off twice first time due to covid second time due to be 'forced' roped into doing the concert.
I had never heard of the world expo until the Busan concert. I am from the USA and as far to my knowledge, I don’t think we participate in that. Maybe we do and I’m just not heard it. Anyway, even though I don’t know much about it I think if I was on the board of voting the way that Busan treated BTS and Hybe would have kept me from voting for them. They lied about paying for it. They had a venue that wasn’t safe and it wasn’t until army Checked it out and said something that it was changed. They waited until the concert date was announced and everything before they even let anybody know that they weren’t gonna pay for it. All of those things would’ve kept me from voting for them. So Busan cut off the end of their nose to spite their face when they treated BTS like this. Nobody is faulting BTS for this., no it is the government that is at fault for losing the vote
I don’t believe any of them care about the expo. The campaign was just an excuse for them to gain something else. This is why none of the voting members of the expo was invited.
The World Expo, also know as The World Fair has been held many times in the USA. The Unisphere was built for the 1964 fair in New York City. I think the last World Fair was in New Orleans in the 80s. Hope this helps. Enjoy your weekend...💜
@ OK yeah I did not know that the world expo was the world fair. It was my understanding that the world fair was gone and no longer happening.. thank you for telling me this
Hello! BTS is still going through a huge hate train. Even now, RM cannot post words aor a single picture without receiving hate. The gov just investigated hybe without reason for workplace bullying and overworking employees without evidence or even a complaint in one of those matters. Back to the point where BTS did more for SK than anyone else up for exemption. They deserved it and the people voted for them to be exempted 9 of 10 times. Why didn't Yoon exempt them like he promised? Wasn't it just before that, the Saudi prince showed up. Yoon demanded Bang PD be there at the request of the prince. Yoon received billions in deals to build nuclear power plants for SA, and like 5 billion in promise of additional events. Is the gov making deals that BTS or other artists would entertain for SA and still pocketing the money and leaving the artists to pay the expense? They said Yoon had no intention of doing the expo. Guess who win the bid? SA. SA wealth fund was involved with Kakao to inflate SM stock and stop HYBE acquisition of SM. Do you remember Yoo. Went around to SM, competing labels and other major corporations including Kakao to see their opinion on giving BTS exemption, but to me, Yoon sided with the take down of hybe, or at least some means to take their money. This followed him launching an audit into HYBE right after getting into office that lasted for months.
On the other hand, in Dec 24, the Ministry Of Employment And Labor ruled at least 2 times in Hybe favor : they allow the company to retain its “Top Company” certification, then they concluded that there were no violations of the law from HYBE regarding a employee death, and even more recently they dismissed allegations of workplace harassment against executives of HYBE. So maybe something is changing.
Yes all this is correct
Bukannya hybe dpt keringanan pajak ya..
No. Their financial report is public. Feel free to check yourself.
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Why not make your own videos instead of stealing?
HUH??? This is his second channel ….
@@HailToTheMeep are you positive? he also has a totally different X acct that is linked. and why would he split his views?
What’s your poorly made point?