This will go the exact same way as subs. - People will like it in the PVE mode. - WG will invest massive resources because "this is what players want" and will make it crayon-eaterproof. - Player will absolutely despise it because it doesn't fit the PVP gameplay and isn't fun to receive. - WG will shove in the game anyway because of sunken cost fallacy.
Have you played subs, in co-op? They are terrible, in co-op. Worse, the enemy bot subs have much better games than the player subs. The problem is that enemy bots do not stay unsunk by your team mates long enough to do anything but shotgun an enemy that is presenting a bow-on profile, for very little damage, as you either fired at too short a range to do much damage, or the bot dodges your torpedoes.
@@richardbell7678 I'm talking about the PVE Halloween mode that took place years ago. Players played subs with unguided torps. The bots were surface ships and catapults.
@@richardbell7678 Not meaning to offend, but my question is how much have you played subs in Coop? I find them easy: single ping and all your torps hit at range. Every time. If you are getting too close trying to shotgun that is the issue - post nerf damage reduction killed shotgunning, so stay just outside of detection. Sub vs sub is dead, but as any other ship bot subs are the easiest to kill. They never go below periscope depth.
@@xPureNRG007x I have only played 228 battles, in subs (out of 18339, in total). The biggest problem, in my experience, has been targets living long enough for the torpedoes to arrive. Other than sounding the klaxon by pressing "N", it is for me to have any fun, so I just don't bother. I get one torpedo strike in and my team has to have really sucked for there to be anything else surviving to shoot at.
@@richardbell7678 Ah, thank you for the clarification! 100% correct & accurate as well. When the team is even halfway competent getting hits is tough. Asymmetrical Battles has been a much better experience in that regard, but it is only a temp mode.
if they do what they did in World of tanks (Cold war) think it was called that, might of been modern armour, it will be new tech trees, separate to the current trees. Basically another game within a game
World of MordernShips could be interesting. But I feel it wouldn't be as well received since subs and airpower is way more crucial than in WW1/WW2. Plus balancing everything so ships of the same time frame can be in the same matches would be a huge challenge.
An idea for this game so that it might survive: Era play; as you choose tiers, you could be able to choose an era. WW1, WW2, COLD WAR, MODERN, FUTURE. Then they could essentially create any type of ship and/or weapons as long it suits the era.
so you gonna split a shrinking player base into multiple eras. So what will that do to cue times> Do you want to play half bot teams in random battles?
@abr2926 No matter what they do, some of us are going to like it. Some are going to hate it. I'm hoping they don't screw it up so bad trying to make everyone happy that no one likes it.
@@abr2926 Maybe not that much but some seperation is needed. Main reason War Thunder fell off is the stupid battle ratings. The Russian SPG 2S1 (1972) is at the rating of 6.0 while the King Tiger is 6.7 . Most of the WW2 vehicles fight against the Cold War ones for balance reasons. But im not saying an M4 Sherman should face a Panther, im just saying please dont hit my Monarch with an ICBM.
well we have no idea if they're actually adding them. besides, none of the ships in game are modern enough to make use of it, so even if they do decide to add them, they'd likely be a seperate "modern" game mode
@@BlackHearthguard Subs would have been fine if they didn't get homing torps and more situational awareness than regular surface ships. Their subs, they should play like subs but WeeGee wants them to play like stealth on demand DDs
I wish WG make this kind of unrealistic arcade mode permanent (or at least one every update). It's very refreshing, casual and perfect for relieving stress from the conventional PVP modes.
Well, An Shan class was modernized for missiles, New Jersey was planned to be modernized for missiles, so it's kinda expected. Problem is in ballance, and as we all know very well, wg is not that good in ballance
It makes more sense monetarily to push out 4000 new ships, instead of fixing game issues that would seem relatively simple to correct. Matchmaker is just one example of a fix that should be implemented. Whatever. Probably time to go find a new game...
I'm all for it if the missiles only lock onto to CVs, even if there's no CV in your match, It Sn just lock onto a CV in a completely different match and go hit that one
Sea Power: Naval Combat in the Missile Age will be implementing missiles, perhaps there are some mechanics WOWS can emulate to bring missiles in a fun way into high tier/Cold War ships.
Love this idea. Armored cruisers, protected cruisers. Was surprised when he said they are doing this on Lesta. Imagine taking a current T3 ship into battle and actually being the king of the sea in a match!
As a console tanks player this doesnt scare as when they did add missiles they basically put it in an entirely seperate game mode with its own tech trees with no crossover to ww2 vehicles. If they go that path i think it'll be fine
As someone who didn't play tanks, so is the seperate tech tree basically mean you have to seperately grind another line? Alone with premiums ships specifically for the "other" game mode? As in you can't play the other gamemode without grinding new lines and new premiums that only work on that game mode?
@@tehpyono2203 the mode has its own sperate lines, nations and prems. There is no cross over for ww2 and modern. It would be completely unfair for a missile destroyer or cruiser to face even any ww2 ship, i think they are gonna have to do a lot to even make it work between other modern ships.
@@Dragonwolf920 Ah gotcha. I was wondering if they would say "update" certain ships to have missiles, especially for premiums when used in the seperate mode. Guess they are completely keeping all the ships seperate even if a later version of it exist with missiles.
Early antiship missiles were typically radar guided using the radar of the launching ship and a telemetry link to a modified gun fire control computer, although some (like the ones on the Smaland) had terminal radar homing guidance. I'm not sure how I'd implement that in game, but it definitely wouldn't be with a ping mechanic. And the original means of countering them was lots and lots of radar controlled antiaircraft guns (Soviet quad 45mm or 57mm guns, for example, or various different 40mm mounts used by NATO nations, as well as heavier autocannons). Not CIWS or EW.
Harpoons carry 500 pounds of explosives, the P-15/SS-N-2 family has 1000# warhead. And ships carry limited amounts of these missiles. So a salvo of 4 should be no different than a drop from bombers carrying similar bombs. The question will be play balance, like how good the homing stays true, AAA against subsonic missiles, how many salvos do a ships get, etc.
I could see missiles coming into the game if they create another line of ships post World War II and either a battle mode for just those ships or re-vamp random battles so that if you’re in a post 1950s ship that you’re in a whole separate battle group
I think missiles could work, however, I don't think they should be like torpedoes. I think they would work well like the Dutch airstrikes. You select an area you want to hit, and instead of planes dropping bombs, you send missiles over. However, as a trade off, instead of the many lesser damage bombs the Dutch ships drop, these would have fewer missiles but more damage and pen.
The Iowa had harpoon missiles before it retired, and the Germans had functioning anti-ship missiles during WW2 (Fritz X & HS293, HS293D was even TV guided though it never really made it into testing phases, only planned to be TV guided) so it's not completely insane to have missiles considering we have homing torpedo. I've been looking forward to the release of Sea Power next month for the missiles but if Wargaming is bringing some out maybe I can enjoy them in both lol.. Hopefully they're not as arcadey as those 'photon torpedo' look atm though, if they're going to implement missiles into the game I'd prefer to have them done well.. The last thing this game needs is more gimmicks. lol
When subs came out I was thinking ship-based asw would be helicopter based (plane based asw was predominantly long range) as the characteristics of asw in-game mimics short-ranged helicopter based homing torps which wasn't a thing in real world until mid sixties. The concept of air strikes is/has been a worrying development for me since the Dutch Cruisers were launched 😟
There's one thing that deserves mention that I noticed after playing those ops a fair bit. The railguns and missiles have one huge limitation: you need direct line of sight and even tiny islands will prevent you from getting a hit, and in the maps they were running you were often stuck unable to shoot anything other than secondaries because of that. So if they require a direct line of sight the same way, it will give a lot more defensive options than against planes who can always come around any island blocking the path. Especially since you can't stealth missile from what have seen (and by a fair margin). If they allow ships to stealth missiles though it will be a carnage.
They have seen "Sea Power" Micro prose game that arrives in November, a Missile age naval game. They don't want to lose to many Players. They have a Missouri with Tomahawk Missile's , Phalanx systems, Radar, and lots of other goodies. The game looks very Interesting and a large encyclopedia Ships available to play. The game is still in development, currently single player but if they do a multi-player.
That game looks pretty good. More simulation than arcade, so limited crossover with the audience. Hoping enough to make Sea Power a success and increase Wows at the same time. Quality players are needed again, way too many low quality players now - I had actually thought it couldn’t get any worse, then it did.
This was an obvious next step. Its a warships game. They just happen to use WW2 ships as the main course since that was the swan song of the traditional line of battle for ships. It marked the start of the CV being the dominant force and battles no longer needing eyesight of a ship. But it’s inevitable that they want to get the more modern, post 1950, ships into the game. If world of tanks is any indication, there will be almost a separate game within the game for those ships. I see people freaking out about it but it changes nothing outside of how youll play. Depending on how they implement it. Alot of the late war ships in WOW lasted well into the 70’s. They were capable of fighting guided missile ships. A few of the iowas were given massive upgrades. They can fire tomahawks and have ciws. People forget this is a warships game. I continue to see people mad due to their flawed idea of what warship combat is. If im WOW, i want to find a way to get modern ships in before someone else makes a good competitor. IMO war thunder dropped the ball in this aspect.
1:43 That is not, in any way, the ready room from the Enterprise-D. No fish tank, no plexi desk, no Stargazer model, no crystal on the desk, and no geodes on shelves.
@@bonemeal_boi Well the Hs293 was a radar guided glide bomb, as was the ASM-N-2-Bat. In fact, it's in the Bat's name. Unless you meant the Army's bat bomb? The one that when dropped actually released a bunch of bats carrying little incendiaries? lol
Smaland was leaving right after I hit T5, and I played this damn game every free minute. On the last day I sold EVERYTHING and even converted all my FXP , Commanders, etc. I did get it and when I play it I have fun but OMG I was stupid.
Missiles 2.0 was only a matter of time as content was filled out in lines. Guided missiles off the tracking torps is easily a constraint you can marry up, the difference being time to impact. Def SuS
I,m just gonna say it, I CALLED IT!!! I just knew they try this at some point, hell they all already have homing/tracking Torpedos in game. So if they really wanted to, copy/paste onto surface ship and boom, new weapon. Plus... we got plenty of ships from the 50s, so we could have Early Anti Ship missiles. Not the ones from the sixtys.
It can’t possibly be worse than homing torpedoes or carriers. It would be interesting to get a Kynda-class cruiser for example, and hit a heavily armored cruiser or battleship with a missile. They’d be glass cannons because modern ships aren’t armored. They wouldn’t be able to hose them off like crazy. It’d end up being something with low refresh, constrained targeting protocols like requiring line of sight and a missile lock to use, and they’d be restricted to the high tiers where the 1950s ships are now meaning T8+. They’d end up having to add CIWS and countermeasures like chaff, and make them AA-targetable so you’d see T7-8 cruisers and battleships firing their AA suites at incoming missiles. Frankly I suspect it would end up looking something like the CVs in the end.
The best they can do that would be period accurate is planes with guided bombs and a converted German trawler with V-1 bombs to show what people can expect in the later tiers. The V-1s would be very vulnerable to most conventional AA defenses and even be intercepted by fighters. And also, you couldn't switch targets midflight and guide them in so, best used against camping cruisers. At top tier you could see planes with glide bombs. Allowing you to release your ordinance outside of AA range but with them being so slow you need to lead your target. Point is, you're not gonna see modern missiles outside of this event. What you'll most likely see is the earlier weapons that would father the modern missile
for those who dont know the shields are basically CHAFF its basically like spitting out a billion pieces of aluminum foil and the missile doesn't know which ones the target so it just misses
I have played this. Exploring the starship port is fun and once you get the hang of it the battles are challenging, but winnable with a bit of team work, A bigger map would be nice though. I spent most of my first battle beaching on the multitude of islands. The destroyer does about 55Kts, before you hit speed boost.
If they make a mode for these missile carriers, called like "Cold war and beyond" where you get basic missiles like the silkworm at first and then go up and beyond to things like AEGIS
14:29 there is a mulligan here though there's a lot of stuff between Battleship XYZ and Arleigh Burke Flight IIIA Killer Of God And Breaker Of His Hosts. I think one of the best things they might be able to do is make missiles more interactive and have to plan their strike flights out or something. Plus, there's a lot of cruisers that were fitted with SAMs that while not RATED for AM work... could see it. Postwar, early cold war...
That could be an interesting way to incorporate missiles, treating them like a squadron of aircraft where you actually fly them to the target, leaving your ship vulnerable while you do it. Whenever New Jersey is added to the game I really hope Ryan Szimanski is added as a commander lol. Not gonna lie being able to have a showdown between a modernized Iowa class BB and a Kirov class battlecruiser would be kind of awesome.
@@chrish8725 Pyotr Velikiy (but let's call her 'Peter The Great' for obvious reason) doesn't have main gun or it would be located at the stern had it not counted as dual purpose secondary. More importantly, Peter The Great was designed to spearhead a carrier strike group, if any carrier or supercarrier could still casually harass her, I'd call it blasphemy.
so good news, just as many of the ships weren't around for missiles, the missiles weren't designed to hit armored hulls as ships that had those were all retired or scrapped at that point. (save NJ) so Armor would still be somewhat effective against these missiles as often they were delayed contact fuses, relying solely on the mass and speed of the missile to penetrate the hull, without any hardened penetrators on the missile. unfortunately for cruisers, many of you don't have that needed armor. (german cruisers reverse powercreeped again!)
The answer is really simple, introduce missiles but make the ships only really available in certain modes where you wont be swept away by having a non-missile ship.
Btw SeaLord, Im more inclined toward the shield is the one that is under test and going to be implemented first since Lesta is testing their armor integrity mechanics.
Honestly, if done well and with the purpose of fun in mind. I wouldn't mind if they went away from the current setup they have. Where they seem to want to do more arcade type of things. But seem confined to some weird sense of realisim. Again, if done well, I think having a system in place where you can spec into your ship would be cool. Like modifying the guns and so on. Say they implement a system to replace the current module system. Just like commanders. Have some type of skill/perk system for a ship. Where you can choose to invest your points you earn into certain parts of a ship.
This is great news. I have been hoping for a cold war version of the game with different types of offensive and defensive missiles and additional systems such as the Phalanx CIWS. Although the new WOW ships are more advanced than cold war ships, these types of advanced ships are exactly what the game needs to attract new players and keep long time players.
The French use Exocet anti-ship missiles. And if you want to play floaty boats in the missile age, just buy Sea Power when it comes out (in November?).
Guys I’m saving up steel for my first ever steel ship, should I get the mecklenburg or the Bourgoune? I mainly play German BBs but I’ve heard a lot of good things abt the bour
Mecklen is a pretty meh ship, it's a battlecruiser in a battleship's body. The Bourgogne is a solid, unique experience, with fast firing (reasonably) high caliber guns plus a reload booster, able to shred apart most anything broadside with a couple well placed volleys. Plus if you want to meme and use secondaries like the german main you are, Bourgogne has a surprisingly substantial and long range secondary armament.
I play this game a lot because of the time frame. I would love to see the ship I served on be in the game, used to be DE but changed to FF. Kind of in between old and new. FF 1082 to be exact but it wouldn't be a reasonable fit. Make a mirror server that starts at the first missile ships and grows on up to more modern. You get to keep the old, introduce the new almost like a new game.
I've played the game for a long time. I took a several year break a while back, then came back for a bit, and have again been on a break from the game for a few months now. I am one of those people for whom missiles is a distinct line in the sand. If missiles are added and not given their own completely separate matchmaking away from artillery ships, I am gone for good. I do not want to see CWIS on historical WWII ships (that didn't get them, I know there are a few refits), I do not want to play a historical WWII era ship and have to simply hope I don't get nailed with 5 limbillion tomahawk missiles with no countermeasures to use. If Wargaming is somehow seeing this, I guarantee you this is the consensus of like 80% of the player base, and certainly the player base that's been around as long as I have been. Take notes. If you're going to do this, don't screw it up.
Of course missile cruisers are coming, and they'll expand with Tier 11 and Tier 12 ships that takes the game into the cold war era of ships. I saw this coming years ago.
That is what I was thinking when I played it, and it made me wish that they did an ARP collab as detailed as this, like Asym where a larger force of players has to fight a small group of super powerful bots, and vice versa. ARP battles were nuts in the manga/show.
If missiles were to come I'd imagine them to be a cross between the Dutch Cruiser's Airstrike combined with Sub Ping mechanics... basically Homing HE Torpedoes.. IF treated similar to planes in a certain way they could be "countered" with AA. BUT that potentially would Tax the DCP Consumable even greater; I would hope that an EW Consumable would come along that would break Sub Pings and Missile locks. While it would break immersion of the WW2 Setting; it would likely break the player base. Unless they added like 5 tiers for Missile Ships in what would be in effect "World of Warships: Cold War" and redo how higher tier economics paid out. Or if they really want to add Missile ships just remake the game within the game for the Cold War era from T1-10. Add an Immersion Mode for era compliance and have a Truly Random Battle Mode where it's straight Tier for Tier Arcade and the Consumables cross eras for "balance"
The problem is not introduction of missiles.As long as WG implements it in completely separated tiers, maps and matchmaking. So basically introduce a separate game. But I doubt it.
The rumor is the Star Trek event was a way of testing missiles so if it’s true we arent that far away from cruise missile subs and air to ship plane strikes.
I hope they make a new game "cold war of warships" where its a 10 v 10 match every time, no tiers, tons of expencive skins, and you can only buy ships or unlock them through lots of grinding this is basically the EA, modern video game meta, where you put up a free to play game that has everyone in the same lobby, undivided by tiers or such and the main income is skins (and likely paid ships) I would happily support that honestly.
I think every DD should have a few intercontinental satellite guided nuclear missiles that will automatically seek and 1-shot the farthest away enemy CV. This missile should have a 100% success rate and not need the CV to be spotted to work. It should be ready to launch within 15 seconds of the start of the war. Then and only THEN will CVs experience what it is like to be a DD in a CV game.
Since some WW2 ships in the 1950s got missile launchers I see no problem with having some of the ships have 50s era missiles. It ain't like you will have Ticos and Burkes in game.
All the speculation made me think of a split: make the current game “World of Battleships” and remove CVs from it. Then make “World of CVs” and make T2 the first CV and their era ships, with current high tier CVs being more mid tier. This would allow for larger and more strategic gameplay elements for CVs, and more modern ships as well.
if missles were added id like 2 things number 1 would be to have them act as consumeables, get 4-8 missles a match and once there done there done and i want a county class destroyer
I have seen a lot of people that see, to do WoWs videos also looking at that new Sea Power game which obviously more modern setting. I suspect the missiles feature may be some sort of response to that with more modern ships coming. New Jersey incoming with 1980’s modernisation anyone fitted with harpoon and tomahawk missiles.
New Jersey finally coming into the game was my initial thought seeing 'missiles.' Her all kitted out with tomahawks and the modernized mast would be awesome.
With all these being superships I was thinking that it means NJ will be a supership. As to way it was postponed from the summer. It would have conflicted with Star Trek Online's summer event which is one of three huge events throughout the year. They probably decided to move it to prevent compaction. It also makes sense to have it during Halloween, the Halloween event in Star Trek Online is all ground based so the plays that like only ships skip it.
The shields are typical for Star Trek and must be stripped down before (photon) torpedos do damage. So that is no surprising countermeasure for this game mode. However, if they introduce missiles I am really curious how they balance all existing ships which could face the missile tier ship. Besides that I would like to see Old Ironsides in the game 🙂
Wanted something like that on Whisky... lauch like a Tomahawk but do maybe slightly less damage than that, it's okay though I Love the Wisconsin we got.
Honestly, I do hope we get missiles soon, I think they will be fun addition to the game. I doubt it wowuld be a 'infinite refill' of missiles, but I want them in game asap.
My thoughts is that these ships should blast each other in space and not on the water like we normally do, if WG does implement these weaponry in the game. Or move the tiers up to XII or something, just like what gaijin did with war tandoor: modern MBTs fighting late ww2 to early cold war tanks would have been terrible for player retention since folks grinding on the older vehicles would have a grand old time fighting tonks with ERA, APS, darts, etc etc.
It could be fun with new weapons. But I think it should be either temporary mode or some way split from historical ship. Even if it was new tiers. But I don't think WoWs has so big playerbase to absorb more than current number of tiers. You finally said already. It would be at least weird if Ww2 historical ships with their era armament had to face laser and guided missile ships is some distant future update. But the Star Trek port was probably one of most eye catching and joyous new things in WoWs.. (so I get that WG goes on this topic) New camo with kaboom monochromatic explosion of ship sounds like another interesting stuff.
People in the comments dont realize how bad this is. Not only there's a chance we might head into modern ships a la WT (which tbh I don't want, I play WoWS for the WW2 theme. Side note yes ik WT doesn't have modern ships but they have modern tanks/planes, that's what I meant), but we all know WG's terrible balancing. Missiles implies CIWS but we know how shit AA is currently. What makes you guys think they'll make CIWS any different? Press a button, missiles fly away, no skill involved to adjust aim since missiles are guided, shoot and forget, while the enemy's CIWS barely shoots down 1-2 of them out of a barrage of 8-10 missiles. Sincerely hope this never makes it to the live game...
I wouldn't mind seeing mid century warship tech. But only if the current ships in the game that would face these weapons got a buff or abilities to fight against them.
I remember joking about missiles incoming a few years ago and here we are lol I'm not against that concept in general, but it will be IMPOSSIBLE to balance guided missiles against the ships we have ingame right now Naval warfare changed fundamentally between the 1940s and 1980s, today missiles are the main weapons of ships and CIWS is used for defense against it A 1944 Missouri with its AA wouldn't stand a chance to intercept a missile or a jet aircraft...both technologies being standard by the 1980s The only way I see what would work would be 2 separate matchmakings: a game mode or group of game modes where modern ships are matched against other modern ships and a group of "classic" modes where the ships we have right now are matched against each other I think everything else would totally destroy balance even if they try to balance it somehow
I was joking in the game chat for like 2 years or more, about guided missile being added, and there you have it!!! They took the joke and put it to work 🤣🤣🤣🎉🎉🎉
Correction: "CIWS" is not the angry little spinning gatling gun, but just any Close in Weapon System. This includes the Phallanx, RAM, SeaRAM, Millenium, Goalkeeper, Kashtan etc.
@@mrswimmytanker7422 Now that I think about it. What kind of tier are missiles for? Even star ships can't even defend against them unless WG slaps chaff launchers on them.
Im not sure if this is true or not, but apparently, the Grozovoi line was initially going to have unguided anti-ship missiles in place of torpedoes. Apparently, the icons for the missiles are buried somewhere in the game's files. Not sure if any of this is true, but I figured that I'd share this regardless.
Lesta: Testing Multi caliber gun, accurate main batteries due to new armor mechanic, new spotting mechanic, really an entire WOWS 2.0 sort of system WG: GUIDED MISSILES, COMPLEX CV REWORKS, AND MORE SHEEEESH Like. Why.
I'd be open to splitting the game into three eras: -predreadnoughts, armored and protected cruisers, early gunboats -late WW1 to WW2 -cold war/missile era I just don't want more broken anachronistic stuff infecting my shooty bote mode game
The port is NOT the ready room. ENT D Ready room doesn't have slanded viewports. Captain's quarters on deck 5 do... However, the layout of the desk on the side makes more think of Intrepid class ready room. So I guess they went for a mix of VOY ready room and TNG captain's quarters, even Enterprise E captain's quarters given the griddes lights beneath the windows that appeared on the E and didn't exist in TNG. In fact, I'm gonna say that the desk not facing the windows is how Picard's quarters appear in Nemesis ! As for guided missiles, well, they already exist... guided torpedoes from subs... suffice to put them above water, bang you have guided missiles.
My answer? No! Just no Put it in current game it would be worst than Hildebrand Put it in t12 or 13? Just think about how much is the repair cost of the t11, not workable
This will go the exact same way as subs.
- People will like it in the PVE mode.
- WG will invest massive resources because "this is what players want" and will make it crayon-eaterproof.
- Player will absolutely despise it because it doesn't fit the PVP gameplay and isn't fun to receive.
- WG will shove in the game anyway because of sunken cost fallacy.
Have you played subs, in co-op?
They are terrible, in co-op. Worse, the enemy bot subs have much better games than the player subs. The problem is that enemy bots do not stay unsunk by your team mates long enough to do anything but shotgun an enemy that is presenting a bow-on profile, for very little damage, as you either fired at too short a range to do much damage, or the bot dodges your torpedoes.
@@richardbell7678 I'm talking about the PVE Halloween mode that took place years ago.
Players played subs with unguided torps.
The bots were surface ships and catapults.
@@richardbell7678 Not meaning to offend, but my question is how much have you played subs in Coop?
I find them easy: single ping and all your torps hit at range. Every time. If you are getting too close trying to shotgun that is the issue - post nerf damage reduction killed shotgunning, so stay just outside of detection.
Sub vs sub is dead, but as any other ship bot subs are the easiest to kill. They never go below periscope depth.
@@xPureNRG007x I have only played 228 battles, in subs (out of 18339, in total). The biggest problem, in my experience, has been targets living long enough for the torpedoes to arrive. Other than sounding the klaxon by pressing "N", it is for me to have any fun, so I just don't bother. I get one torpedo strike in and my team has to have really sucked for there to be anything else surviving to shoot at.
@@richardbell7678 Ah, thank you for the clarification!
100% correct & accurate as well.
When the team is even halfway competent getting hits is tough. Asymmetrical Battles has been a much better experience in that regard, but it is only a temp mode.
if they do what they did in World of tanks (Cold war) think it was called that, might of been modern armour, it will be new tech trees, separate to the current trees. Basically another game within a game
World of MordernShips could be interesting. But I feel it wouldn't be as well received since subs and airpower is way more crucial than in WW1/WW2. Plus balancing everything so ships of the same time frame can be in the same matches would be a huge challenge.
@@irishwind1971 Even with SAMS. Wargaming would never buff AA.
It has to be. Even superships arent modern
Modern ships almost demand much larger maps and a more strategic approach. It’s the same problem that CVs create.
I refuse to play the superships because they belong in their own game. The game within a game would work for me.
Next from wargaming: sharks with friggin’ laser beams attached to their heads.
But only because the player base demanded it! 🙄🙄
Don't forget the dolphins swimming up and placing mines,
I LOL'd hard with that one, I even read it in my mind with the same accent 🤣🤣🤣
aight doctor evil go take your meds
An idea for this game so that it might survive:
Era play; as you choose tiers, you could be able to choose an era. WW1, WW2, COLD WAR, MODERN, FUTURE. Then they could essentially create any type of ship and/or weapons as long it suits the era.
That's a good idea also.
Yeah, I like that idea!
so you gonna split a shrinking player base into multiple eras. So what will that do to cue times> Do you want to play half bot teams in random battles?
@abr2926 No matter what they do, some of us are going to like it. Some are going to hate it. I'm hoping they don't screw it up so bad trying to make everyone happy that no one likes it.
@@abr2926 Maybe not that much but some seperation is needed. Main reason War Thunder fell off is the stupid battle ratings. The Russian SPG 2S1 (1972) is at the rating of 6.0 while the King Tiger is 6.7 . Most of the WW2 vehicles fight against the Cold War ones for balance reasons. But im not saying an M4 Sherman should face a Panther, im just saying please dont hit my Monarch with an ICBM.
It was fun ride guys. See ya on the next one. Will gladly sell my acc.
What ships (joke)
Will buy it (joke)
well we have no idea if they're actually adding them. besides, none of the ships in game are modern enough to make use of it, so even if they do decide to add them, they'd likely be a seperate "modern" game mode
@@phoenixtalon100 Do you remember how subs started in warships?
@@BlackHearthguard Subs would have been fine if they didn't get homing torps and more situational awareness than regular surface ships. Their subs, they should play like subs but WeeGee wants them to play like stealth on demand DDs
There is another possibility. Wargaming is testing a new game: world of Starships, and that would be cool.
They ought to. I have not found a Star Trek game that I can play like I play WoWS.
They had that with fractured space, then closed it because player numbers were hit but people weren’t spending as much as it cost to run the game…
There was a game called "dreadnought" but that basically died
I wish WG make this kind of unrealistic arcade mode permanent (or at least one every update). It's very refreshing, casual and perfect for relieving stress from the conventional PVP modes.
Well, An Shan class was modernized for missiles, New Jersey was planned to be modernized for missiles, so it's kinda expected. Problem is in ballance, and as we all know very well, wg is not that good in ballance
Likewise the Sherman-class destroyer - four were converted to guided-missile destroyers and served until the 1980s
It makes more sense monetarily to push out 4000 new ships, instead of fixing game issues that would seem relatively simple to correct. Matchmaker is just one example of a fix that should be implemented. Whatever. Probably time to go find a new game...
Neustrashimy was built IRL with missiles
I'm all for it if the missiles only lock onto to CVs, even if there's no CV in your match, It Sn just lock onto a CV in a completely different match and go hit that one
@@00spinz35 lmao, true
If they want to do missiles just copy what world of tanks does and make a seperate MM for cold war ships with missiles.
Sea Power: Naval Combat in the Missile Age will be implementing missiles, perhaps there are some mechanics WOWS can emulate to bring missiles in a fun way into high tier/Cold War ships.
I would rather see tier two and three get pre-dreadnoughts all the way back to the Spanish-American war...
Love this idea. Armored cruisers, protected cruisers. Was surprised when he said they are doing this on Lesta. Imagine taking a current T3 ship into battle and actually being the king of the sea in a match!
Apparently the Russians are already testing that out on their servers
Yeah but then they can't shove planes or subs down our throats, they won't do that
If missiles are in the works, I hope that means an 80's battleship NJ is also being worked on!
As a console tanks player this doesnt scare as when they did add missiles they basically put it in an entirely seperate game mode with its own tech trees with no crossover to ww2 vehicles. If they go that path i think it'll be fine
I hope so
especially if the Ticos and Burkes are on the table. or the Kirov and Oscars.
As someone who didn't play tanks, so is the seperate tech tree basically mean you have to seperately grind another line? Alone with premiums ships specifically for the "other" game mode? As in you can't play the other gamemode without grinding new lines and new premiums that only work on that game mode?
@@tehpyono2203 the mode has its own sperate lines, nations and prems. There is no cross over for ww2 and modern. It would be completely unfair for a missile destroyer or cruiser to face even any ww2 ship, i think they are gonna have to do a lot to even make it work between other modern ships.
@@Dragonwolf920 Ah gotcha. I was wondering if they would say "update" certain ships to have missiles, especially for premiums when used in the seperate mode. Guess they are completely keeping all the ships seperate even if a later version of it exist with missiles.
Early antiship missiles were typically radar guided using the radar of the launching ship and a telemetry link to a modified gun fire control computer, although some (like the ones on the Smaland) had terminal radar homing guidance. I'm not sure how I'd implement that in game, but it definitely wouldn't be with a ping mechanic.
And the original means of countering them was lots and lots of radar controlled antiaircraft guns (Soviet quad 45mm or 57mm guns, for example, or various different 40mm mounts used by NATO nations, as well as heavier autocannons). Not CIWS or EW.
Great info!
Sea Lord, secondary battery reload booster is basically the pan American funny button
I guess so huh lol
And before that I believe Hannover’s funny button.
Fairly certain it exists in Legends
Harpoons carry 500 pounds of explosives, the P-15/SS-N-2 family has 1000# warhead. And ships carry limited amounts of these missiles. So a salvo of 4 should be no different than a drop from bombers carrying similar bombs. The question will be play balance, like how good the homing stays true, AAA against subsonic missiles, how many salvos do a ships get, etc.
We know from Torpedoes that they give nonhistorical load outs via reloads.
What's next?
Thermonuclear missiles?
Ssssh, don't give them ideas...
Well Iowa class ship was modernise to use 1KT atomic 406mm Shells.
@@gotfrydzbouillon4191
Right.
A devastating strike regardless of aim?
1- HE 2-AP 3-BAKER SHOT
I could see missiles coming into the game if they create another line of ships post World War II and either a battle mode for just those ships or re-vamp random battles so that if you’re in a post 1950s ship that you’re in a whole separate battle group
they need to seperate missiles from the base pool if they want to impliment it. especially if they impliment Agis ships like the Ticos or Burkes.
I think missiles could work, however, I don't think they should be like torpedoes. I think they would work well like the Dutch airstrikes. You select an area you want to hit, and instead of planes dropping bombs, you send missiles over. However, as a trade off, instead of the many lesser damage bombs the Dutch ships drop, these would have fewer missiles but more damage and pen.
The Iowa had harpoon missiles before it retired, and the Germans had functioning anti-ship missiles during WW2 (Fritz X & HS293, HS293D was even TV guided though it never really made it into testing phases, only planned to be TV guided) so it's not completely insane to have missiles considering we have homing torpedo. I've been looking forward to the release of Sea Power next month for the missiles but if Wargaming is bringing some out maybe I can enjoy them in both lol.. Hopefully they're not as arcadey as those 'photon torpedo' look atm though, if they're going to implement missiles into the game I'd prefer to have them done well.. The last thing this game needs is more gimmicks. lol
When subs came out I was thinking ship-based asw would be helicopter based (plane based asw was predominantly long range) as the characteristics of asw in-game mimics short-ranged helicopter based homing torps which wasn't a thing in real world until mid sixties. The concept of air strikes is/has been a worrying development for me since the Dutch Cruisers were launched 😟
There's one thing that deserves mention that I noticed after playing those ops a fair bit. The railguns and missiles have one huge limitation: you need direct line of sight and even tiny islands will prevent you from getting a hit, and in the maps they were running you were often stuck unable to shoot anything other than secondaries because of that. So if they require a direct line of sight the same way, it will give a lot more defensive options than against planes who can always come around any island blocking the path.
Especially since you can't stealth missile from what have seen (and by a fair margin).
If they allow ships to stealth missiles though it will be a carnage.
They have seen "Sea Power" Micro prose game that arrives in November, a Missile age naval game. They don't want to lose to many Players. They have a Missouri with Tomahawk Missile's , Phalanx systems, Radar, and lots of other goodies. The game looks very Interesting and a large encyclopedia Ships available to play. The game is still in development, currently single player but if they do a multi-player.
That game looks pretty good. More simulation than arcade, so limited crossover with the audience. Hoping enough to make Sea Power a success and increase Wows at the same time. Quality players are needed again, way too many low quality players now - I had actually thought it couldn’t get any worse, then it did.
This was an
obvious next step. Its a warships game. They just happen to use WW2 ships as the main course since that was the swan song of the traditional line of battle for ships. It marked the start of the CV being the dominant force and battles no longer needing eyesight of a ship. But it’s inevitable that they want to get the more modern, post 1950, ships into the game. If world of tanks is any indication, there will be almost a separate game within the game for those ships. I see people freaking out about it but it changes nothing outside of how youll play. Depending on how they implement it. Alot of the late war ships in WOW lasted well into the 70’s. They were capable of fighting guided missile ships. A few of the iowas were given massive upgrades. They can fire tomahawks and have ciws. People forget this is a warships game. I continue to see people mad due to their flawed idea of what warship combat is. If im WOW, i want to find a way to get modern ships in before someone else makes a good competitor. IMO war thunder dropped the ball in this aspect.
1:43 That is not, in any way, the ready room from the Enterprise-D. No fish tank, no plexi desk, no Stargazer model, no crystal on the desk, and no geodes on shelves.
AFAIK, there was *one* type of guided anti-ship missile during the WWII, Fritz X. Though the Germans also deployed flying bombs.
What about H293 and the BAT bomb?
Pretty sure Fritz X wasn't a missile. If I remember right it was a glide bomb with a guidance package on it.
@@jkirschy Actually, you're right, it wasn't powered...
@@bonemeal_boi Well the Hs293 was a radar guided glide bomb, as was the ASM-N-2-Bat. In fact, it's in the Bat's name.
Unless you meant the Army's bat bomb? The one that when dropped actually released a bunch of bats carrying little incendiaries? lol
Smaland will have a use for those little guys above the torps. Sucks I never got Smaland when I had the chance
Yup Småland is mine regret too along Jean Bart :/
@@Warewolverineski 😭
Smaland was leaving right after I hit T5, and I played this damn game every free minute. On the last day I sold EVERYTHING and even converted all my FXP , Commanders, etc. I did get it and when I play it I have fun but OMG I was stupid.
@@kingofcastlechaos T5 ... and you have started to play T10 , oh buddy how is your WR after that ? ;)
You can get jean bart on black friday@@Warewolverineski
There is always a plan behind whatever WG brings out.
Like subs? The cv re work? Yeah iffy..
One thing is for sure. If missiles came up in game, Devs need to make even more larger maps for that. Introducing SAMs and SSMs along with CIWS.
Missiles 2.0 was only a matter of time as content was filled out in lines.
Guided missiles off the tracking torps is easily a constraint you can marry up, the difference being time to impact.
Def SuS
I,m just gonna say it, I CALLED IT!!! I just knew they try this at some point, hell they all already have homing/tracking Torpedos in game. So if they really wanted to, copy/paste onto surface ship and boom, new weapon.
Plus... we got plenty of ships from the 50s, so we could have Early Anti Ship missiles. Not the ones from the sixtys.
It can’t possibly be worse than homing torpedoes or carriers. It would be interesting to get a Kynda-class cruiser for example, and hit a heavily armored cruiser or battleship with a missile. They’d be glass cannons because modern ships aren’t armored. They wouldn’t be able to hose them off like crazy. It’d end up being something with low refresh, constrained targeting protocols like requiring line of sight and a missile lock to use, and they’d be restricted to the high tiers where the 1950s ships are now meaning T8+. They’d end up having to add CIWS and countermeasures like chaff, and make them AA-targetable so you’d see T7-8 cruisers and battleships firing their AA suites at incoming missiles. Frankly I suspect it would end up looking something like the CVs in the end.
Thinking it can't be worse is purely a failure of imagination.
You forget that WG does not go by irl specifications. They can make a missile ship as armored as they want
The best they can do that would be period accurate is planes with guided bombs and a converted German trawler with V-1 bombs to show what people can expect in the later tiers.
The V-1s would be very vulnerable to most conventional AA defenses and even be intercepted by fighters. And also, you couldn't switch targets midflight and guide them in so, best used against camping cruisers.
At top tier you could see planes with glide bombs. Allowing you to release your ordinance outside of AA range but with them being so slow you need to lead your target.
Point is, you're not gonna see modern missiles outside of this event. What you'll most likely see is the earlier weapons that would father the modern missile
for those who dont know
the shields are basically CHAFF its basically like spitting out a billion pieces of aluminum foil and the missile doesn't know which ones the target so it just misses
Finally the Iowa, New Jersey, Missouri, and Wisconsin can be in their 1980's configuration.
I have played this. Exploring the starship port is fun and once you get the hang of it the battles are challenging, but winnable with a bit of team work, A bigger map would be nice though. I spent most of my first battle beaching on the multitude of islands. The destroyer does about 55Kts, before you hit speed boost.
Besides, we *have* seen the secondary reload booster - it's on the German Navy Hannover and recently on the Ipiranga.
If they make a mode for these missile carriers, called like "Cold war and beyond" where you get basic missiles like the silkworm at first and then go up and beyond to things like AEGIS
14:29
there is a mulligan here though
there's a lot of stuff between Battleship XYZ and Arleigh Burke Flight IIIA Killer Of God And Breaker Of His Hosts.
I think one of the best things they might be able to do is make missiles more interactive and have to plan their strike flights out or something.
Plus, there's a lot of cruisers that were fitted with SAMs that while not RATED for AM work...
could see it. Postwar, early cold war...
Can't be the Halloween event. It's in the PTS _now,_ during the same month as Halloween.
Missiles could work like torpedoes, but able to fly over mountains. Moskva should have this.
played this last night on the Public Testing server it was a lot of fun.
New American super hybrid BB, New Jersey, confirmed. She will have a squadron of attack aircraft namely Tomahawk.
That could be an interesting way to incorporate missiles, treating them like a squadron of aircraft where you actually fly them to the target, leaving your ship vulnerable while you do it.
Whenever New Jersey is added to the game I really hope Ryan Szimanski is added as a commander lol. Not gonna lie being able to have a showdown between a modernized Iowa class BB and a Kirov class battlecruiser would be kind of awesome.
@@chrish8725 Pyotr Velikiy (but let's call her 'Peter The Great' for obvious reason) doesn't have main gun or it would be located at the stern had it not counted as dual purpose secondary. More importantly, Peter The Great was designed to spearhead a carrier strike group, if any carrier or supercarrier could still casually harass her, I'd call it blasphemy.
so good news, just as many of the ships weren't around for missiles, the missiles weren't designed to hit armored hulls as ships that had those were all retired or scrapped at that point. (save NJ)
so Armor would still be somewhat effective against these missiles as often they were delayed contact fuses, relying solely on the mass and speed of the missile to penetrate the hull, without any hardened penetrators on the missile.
unfortunately for cruisers, many of you don't have that needed armor. (german cruisers reverse powercreeped again!)
The answer is really simple, introduce missiles but make the ships only really available in certain modes where you wont be swept away by having a non-missile ship.
Btw SeaLord, Im more inclined toward the shield is the one that is under test and going to be implemented first since Lesta is testing their armor integrity mechanics.
Honestly, if done well and with the purpose of fun in mind. I wouldn't mind if they went away from the current setup they have. Where they seem to want to do more arcade type of things. But seem confined to some weird sense of realisim. Again, if done well, I think having a system in place where you can spec into your ship would be cool. Like modifying the guns and so on.
Say they implement a system to replace the current module system. Just like commanders. Have some type of skill/perk system for a ship. Where you can choose to invest your points you earn into certain parts of a ship.
Nice. It's about time to get some sort of missiles.
Israel Sherman did that somewhat. But they were upgrades that they had firepower to went up against more modern designs
You can use superships in this event btw
This is great news. I have been hoping for a cold war version of the game with different types of offensive and defensive missiles and additional systems such as the Phalanx CIWS. Although the new WOW ships are more advanced than cold war ships, these types of advanced ships are exactly what the game needs to attract new players and keep long time players.
The French use Exocet anti-ship missiles. And if you want to play floaty boats in the missile age, just buy Sea Power when it comes out (in November?).
Kirov, my beloved guided missile battle cruiser. We stand a chance to be reunited once again 🫂😔🤍
Guys I’m saving up steel for my first ever steel ship, should I get the mecklenburg or the Bourgoune? I mainly play German BBs but I’ve heard a lot of good things abt the bour
Mecklen is a pretty meh ship, it's a battlecruiser in a battleship's body. The Bourgogne is a solid, unique experience, with fast firing (reasonably) high caliber guns plus a reload booster, able to shred apart most anything broadside with a couple well placed volleys. Plus if you want to meme and use secondaries like the german main you are, Bourgogne has a surprisingly substantial and long range secondary armament.
I play this game a lot because of the time frame. I would love to see the ship I served on be in the game, used to be DE but changed to FF. Kind of in between old and new. FF 1082 to be exact but it wouldn't be a reasonable fit. Make a mirror server that starts at the first missile ships and grows on up to more modern. You get to keep the old, introduce the new almost like a new game.
I've played the game for a long time. I took a several year break a while back, then came back for a bit, and have again been on a break from the game for a few months now. I am one of those people for whom missiles is a distinct line in the sand. If missiles are added and not given their own completely separate matchmaking away from artillery ships, I am gone for good. I do not want to see CWIS on historical WWII ships (that didn't get them, I know there are a few refits), I do not want to play a historical WWII era ship and have to simply hope I don't get nailed with 5 limbillion tomahawk missiles with no countermeasures to use.
If Wargaming is somehow seeing this, I guarantee you this is the consensus of like 80% of the player base, and certainly the player base that's been around as long as I have been. Take notes. If you're going to do this, don't screw it up.
Of course missile cruisers are coming, and they'll expand with Tier 11 and Tier 12 ships that takes the game into the cold war era of ships. I saw this coming years ago.
This new operation looks a lot like the anime Arpeggio of Blue steel as well, shields, laser guns on warships
Super fun!
That is what I was thinking when I played it, and it made me wish that they did an ARP collab as detailed as this, like Asym where a larger force of players has to fight a small group of super powerful bots, and vice versa. ARP battles were nuts in the manga/show.
If missiles were to come I'd imagine them to be a cross between the Dutch Cruiser's Airstrike combined with Sub Ping mechanics... basically Homing HE Torpedoes.. IF treated similar to planes in a certain way they could be "countered" with AA. BUT that potentially would Tax the DCP Consumable even greater; I would hope that an EW Consumable would come along that would break Sub Pings and Missile locks.
While it would break immersion of the WW2 Setting; it would likely break the player base. Unless they added like 5 tiers for Missile Ships in what would be in effect "World of Warships: Cold War" and redo how higher tier economics paid out.
Or if they really want to add Missile ships just remake the game within the game for the Cold War era from T1-10. Add an Immersion Mode for era compliance and have a Truly Random Battle Mode where it's straight Tier for Tier Arcade and the Consumables cross eras for "balance"
The problem is not introduction of missiles.As long as WG implements it in completely separated tiers, maps and matchmaking. So basically introduce a separate game. But I doubt it.
The famous-ish french missile is the Exocet. as Wiki says: the fish that sometimes flew into a boat: ἐξώκοιτος (exōkoitos)
We already seen fast, skimming torpedoes, now we get ballistic missiles
The rumor is the Star Trek event was a way of testing missiles so if it’s true we arent that far away from cruise missile subs and air to ship plane strikes.
Could mean many things honestly, they could pull a wot where only console gets modern tanks, or they could also be making a modern naval game
Dude, I can’t wait for them to put USS Gyatt DDG-1 in the game!!
Played this mode and absolutely loved it.
I hope they make a new game "cold war of warships"
where its a 10 v 10 match every time, no tiers, tons of expencive skins, and you can only buy ships or unlock them through lots of grinding
this is basically the EA, modern video game meta, where you put up a free to play game that has everyone in the same lobby, undivided by tiers or such and the main income is skins (and likely paid ships)
I would happily support that honestly.
I think every DD should have a few intercontinental satellite guided nuclear missiles that will automatically seek and 1-shot the farthest away enemy CV. This missile should have a 100% success rate and not need the CV to be spotted to work. It should be ready to launch within 15 seconds of the start of the war. Then and only THEN will CVs experience what it is like to be a DD in a CV game.
I think we all know exactly what missiles implies to everything from the cold war to the distant future.
Since some WW2 ships in the 1950s got missile launchers I see no problem with having some of the ships have 50s era missiles. It ain't like you will have Ticos and Burkes in game.
All the speculation made me think of a split: make the current game “World of Battleships” and remove CVs from it. Then make “World of CVs” and make T2 the first CV and their era ships, with current high tier CVs being more mid tier.
This would allow for larger and more strategic gameplay elements for CVs, and more modern ships as well.
if missles were added id like 2 things number 1 would be to have them act as consumeables, get 4-8 missles a match and once there done there done and i want a county class destroyer
I have seen a lot of people that see, to do WoWs videos also looking at that new Sea Power game which obviously more modern setting.
I suspect the missiles feature may be some sort of response to that with more modern ships coming.
New Jersey incoming with 1980’s modernisation anyone fitted with harpoon and tomahawk missiles.
New Jersey finally coming into the game was my initial thought seeing 'missiles.' Her all kitted out with tomahawks and the modernized mast would be awesome.
With all these being superships I was thinking that it means NJ will be a supership.
As to way it was postponed from the summer. It would have conflicted with Star Trek Online's summer event which is one of three huge events throughout the year. They probably decided to move it to prevent compaction. It also makes sense to have it during Halloween, the Halloween event in Star Trek Online is all ground based so the plays that like only ships skip it.
The shields are typical for Star Trek and must be stripped down before (photon) torpedos do damage. So that is no surprising countermeasure for this game mode.
However, if they introduce missiles I am really curious how they balance all existing ships which could face the missile tier ship.
Besides that I would like to see Old Ironsides in the game 🙂
Cant wait for tomahwaks and scud missile
Rather different types will be used and from earlier ages.
Wanted something like that on Whisky... lauch like a Tomahawk but do maybe slightly less damage than that, it's okay though I Love the Wisconsin we got.
Modern ships could be very fun if they're in their own bracket of matchmaker.
Honestly, I do hope we get missiles soon, I think they will be fun addition to the game. I doubt it wowuld be a 'infinite refill' of missiles, but I want them in game asap.
If that happens, you will have nobody to play with
Let's wait and see, since the game "is dying" since it started years ago
Jim called, this is the end. I’m out.
My thoughts is that these ships should blast each other in space and not on the water like we normally do, if WG does implement these weaponry in the game. Or move the tiers up to XII or something, just like what gaijin did with war tandoor: modern MBTs fighting late ww2 to early cold war tanks would have been terrible for player retention since folks grinding on the older vehicles would have a grand old time fighting tonks with ERA, APS, darts, etc etc.
It could be fun with new weapons.
But I think it should be either temporary mode or some way split from historical ship. Even if it was new tiers.
But I don't think WoWs has so big playerbase to absorb more than current number of tiers.
You finally said already. It would be at least weird if Ww2 historical ships with their era armament had to face laser and guided missile ships is some distant future update.
But the Star Trek port was probably one of most eye catching and joyous new things in WoWs..
(so I get that WG goes on this topic)
New camo with kaboom monochromatic explosion of ship sounds like another interesting stuff.
"Nothing would surprise me at this point... unless they add missiles to the game." - Yuro
Welp…
People in the comments dont realize how bad this is. Not only there's a chance we might head into modern ships a la WT (which tbh I don't want, I play WoWS for the WW2 theme. Side note yes ik WT doesn't have modern ships but they have modern tanks/planes, that's what I meant), but we all know WG's terrible balancing. Missiles implies CIWS but we know how shit AA is currently. What makes you guys think they'll make CIWS any different? Press a button, missiles fly away, no skill involved to adjust aim since missiles are guided, shoot and forget, while the enemy's CIWS barely shoots down 1-2 of them out of a barrage of 8-10 missiles.
Sincerely hope this never makes it to the live game...
I love missiles in any war game ive played but i don't know how well they'll be implemented here.
I wouldn't mind seeing mid century warship tech. But only if the current ships in the game that would face these weapons got a buff or abilities to fight against them.
I remember joking about missiles incoming a few years ago and here we are lol
I'm not against that concept in general, but it will be IMPOSSIBLE to balance guided missiles against the ships we have ingame right now
Naval warfare changed fundamentally between the 1940s and 1980s, today missiles are the main weapons of ships and CIWS is used for defense against it
A 1944 Missouri with its AA wouldn't stand a chance to intercept a missile or a jet aircraft...both technologies being standard by the 1980s
The only way I see what would work would be 2 separate matchmakings: a game mode or group of game modes where modern ships are matched against other modern ships and a group of "classic" modes where the ships we have right now are matched against each other
I think everything else would totally destroy balance even if they try to balance it somehow
I was joking in the game chat for like 2 years or more, about guided missile being added, and there you have it!!!
They took the joke and put it to work 🤣🤣🤣🎉🎉🎉
Correction: "CIWS" is not the angry little spinning gatling gun, but just any Close in Weapon System. This includes the Phallanx, RAM, SeaRAM, Millenium, Goalkeeper, Kashtan etc.
I wouldn't mind missiles in their own game mode something like "WoWs-Cold War edition." In random mode along with WW2-era ships...hard no.
As long as these missiles are limited in ammunition, I can accept them.
But im pretty sure if there are missiles, there would be countermeasures.
Yes and no. Depends on the ship and configuration it could have them but also may not have defenses
@@mrswimmytanker7422 Now that I think about it. What kind of tier are missiles for? Even star ships can't even defend against them unless WG slaps chaff launchers on them.
All ik hearing is no one playing BBs anymore or BC's or even CAs depending on the size (that is if they model the missiles correctly)
Im not sure if this is true or not, but apparently, the Grozovoi line was initially going to have unguided anti-ship missiles in place of torpedoes.
Apparently, the icons for the missiles are buried somewhere in the game's files. Not sure if any of this is true, but I figured that I'd share this regardless.
Yes those are the missiles I’m referring to at the start of the missile section
@@sealordmountbatten Seems like i need to rewatch that segment. I must've misinterpreted what you said or just outright missed it.
Lesta: Testing Multi caliber gun, accurate main batteries due to new armor mechanic, new spotting mechanic, really an entire WOWS 2.0 sort of system
WG: GUIDED MISSILES, COMPLEX CV REWORKS, AND MORE SHEEEESH
Like.
Why.
'We have Sea Power: Naval Warfare in the Missile Age at home'
Next: nuclear warhead torpedoes are in the works.
I'd be open to splitting the game into three eras:
-predreadnoughts, armored and protected cruisers, early gunboats
-late WW1 to WW2
-cold war/missile era
I just don't want more broken anachronistic stuff infecting my shooty bote mode game
In preparation for T11-15's into the 60/70's. They are running out out historical ships - in broad terms.
The port is NOT the ready room. ENT D Ready room doesn't have slanded viewports. Captain's quarters on deck 5 do... However, the layout of the desk on the side makes more think of Intrepid class ready room. So I guess they went for a mix of VOY ready room and TNG captain's quarters, even Enterprise E captain's quarters given the griddes lights beneath the windows that appeared on the E and didn't exist in TNG. In fact, I'm gonna say that the desk not facing the windows is how Picard's quarters appear in Nemesis !
As for guided missiles, well, they already exist... guided torpedoes from subs... suffice to put them above water, bang you have guided missiles.
My answer? No! Just no
Put it in current game it would be worst than Hildebrand
Put it in t12 or 13? Just think about how much is the repair cost of the t11, not workable
Nah tier 12 or 13 is to low has to be 15 so there NO chance for gun ships tp meet them