We Need to Talk About The Acolyte and The Star Wars Fandom...
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- Опубликовано: 24 июн 2024
- The Acolyte is dividing Star Wars fans and it's recently gone too far. Episode 5 releases on Disney+ tomorrow and we have some big news.
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we have an old saying in the american restaurant business, "When someone has a good time they tell 1 friend, when they have a bad time they tell 12."
This. And this is why I like to review good service or products
unless a group of people go around telling peeps false or opinionated bad reviews lol
@@COACHWARBLE If they're screaming at 12 people "star wars just died" that sounds like free publicity to me 😂
I'm still having a better time than watching the prequels
Oh yea totally relatable here. Because The Room is a much more popular film than The Shawshank redemption. The reason the Crapolyte is getting so much negative publicity is because it’s not a Star Wars TV show. It’s a political agenda masquerading as a Star Wars show. And society is finally waking up to this Woke Mumbo Jumbo and doesn’t want to be force fed shit and being told it’s Caviar.
Anyone who works in a customer focused job you are as only good as your last review
Not a fan of the critiquing just snippets of a story's whole. Especially if they are saying it is a Rashomon style story. We don't critique books by a chapter and this model only works for RUclips channels but not for fandom. It just stirs up massive amounts of negativity.
I agree I’m waiting for the entire story to be told to give my opinion. I like certain aspects of what we’ve seen and there are other I don’t care for but I can’t say a series is bad until I have viewed it all
A new hope was also one third of Lucas' script. The critiques seemed fine. And also: Does this only count for the 15ish% of the review critics, or the almost 90% from ...I don't know... "professionals"?
But the thing is doing a "Rashomon" style storytelling is cool, that's a really interesting idea for a starwars story, I admire that.
BUT
Deciding to release your "Rashomon Style Series" on a WEEKLY EPISODIC basis is a stupid, Bad idea because it breaks that immersiveness of that story, and only causes your audience and fans to inevitably get frustrated, and judge it by each "part".
Especially if the writing of your show is weak too, and not upto that same quality level as something like GoT, Westworld, Walking Dead and even Andor.
So this is on Disney really. But they never learn do they.
BOBF should have purely been the Godfather style of serious, dark criminal underworld show, showing a former "hired muscle" type figure, reinvent himself into one of the actual "Crimelords" themselves. But as a Fair crime lord, who actually cares for the people, while still being totally badass and ruthless with the scum & villainy.
What do Disney do? Decide that show needs to be kiddy anc childish.
Mandalorian was doing great until they interfered with that show through BOBF and Season 3 Mando.
Obi wan show never needed the "Reva" character in there at all. It should have focused purely in being a character study of the main, title character Kenobi, in exile and watching over luke, while running into Vader. The Reva character, her whole backstory was actually compelling on its own, if it were given its own miniseries, about a Jedi padawan, snatched away and brainwashed, turned into a Inquisitor, all while she's secretly plotting revenge against Vader. But no instead Kennedy decides to have Reva's story crammed into Kenobi's story, which is only 8 episodes anyway lol. And the fans get blame and called ists for not liking the Reva character, when all the while, originally they were promised a show all about the iconic Obi Wan Kenobi.
It's Disney every time and Clueless Kathy Kennedy, who. An never get things right. This is why the franchise desperately needs someone running Lucasfilm who knows STAR WARS and is a passionate fan like us.
Otherwise these mistake will just persist.
I'm actually defending the show at this point, but they can't hide behind "muh Rashomon" and demand that judgment be withheld for 8 weeks
@@Floxxoror Keep reachin'
I agree with you. Be kind to each other.
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I agree with your be kind.❤
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being kind to each other would mean stopping what has been going on with star wars
@p00lboy No, I believe don't put StarWars down because it's in a slump. Maybe slump is the incorrect adjective, but that is how I see it. An old fan.
Exhausting. That’s the word I use when it comes to this fandom. It was always divisive since George was around and will be long after he leaves this world. The acolyte is just the newest thing to sink their teeth into.
oversaturation - we went from not having any actual visual pieces of starwars for 15 years to now having something new a few times a year... WHY is this bad?
You go from having a glass of water to being submerged in a water tank.... too much of something *can* be bad. I'm not sure we're there with Star Wars projects, but I'll say even with EU/Legends books before the "reboot" it was getting to be a mess (for a prior example) with some *real* stinkers in there, on top of continuity issues and such. Of course, we also have an environment (IE, social media) where everyone can yell about it too...
@@egmccann You go from having one great burger to being submerged in a tank full of burgers of every flavor and mix you can imagine, the ones you love, the ones you hate, the ones that make you curious, the ones that you think are boring etc - would be a better analogy here
@@egmccann your answer is my problem with most people. and what i mean by that is you said that the EU was getting to be a giant mess.. IT WAS... so many inconsistencies. So far.. Disney has not really done a bad job with Canon. Acolyte does not break canon with that one line... im sorry it just doesnt. we have to learn how the sith started their rise to power, they are there, they have always been there... Sidious turned Dooku.. right in front of them... so people need to step back a little.. not every show is going to be the one for "you" but take it for what its worth.. thanks for the good chat.
It isn’t bad on its face but the efforts were poorly executed.
Yea . Acolyte is definitely trash. They should slow the production down for sure maybe one show/season a year. This show feels rushed and just not well done. Everyone is dying and sol is the only gud thing it offers. And it just dosent feel …magnetic like it once did. This show makes u feel like ive wasted 40 minutes of my life imo. And I’m a huge Star Wars fan but all the other reboot shows r leagues better then this one hell even bad batch
I love Star Wars Meg’s accent☺️
Yeah, very similar to Darth Josie Gibson.
Agreed See we can agree on things as Star Wars fan . Wu- teeni is for the the children
Same here
I tune in for the voice alone please tale some Star wars what if stories
I enjoy her voice too… but does anyone else find the way her audio is recorded to be very bass heavy and woofy? I watch all her videos but always have to lower the volume a bit and turn on subtitles, because the low end frequencies vibrate things in my room. I don’t know if it’s a microphone choice, or how it’s recorded, but I don’t have this issue with any other RUclips videos. 🤷♂️
Star wars fans unite, we all hate the acolyte
Pov: each series gives a different point of view...sort of giving life to the Jedi saying that makes the truth "a certain point of view ". They are all pieces of the same puzzle. Apart, they seem discordant, but viewed as a whole, they give a more complete picture. With different points of perspective.
Exactly, Star Wars doesn't have to be a specific kind of story told in a specific way. It's an expansive universe where any story can be set. Hell, make a single-camera sitcom set on Tatooine, I'd give it a chance, it'd be interesting to see more day-to-day life of the average republic/imperial citizen.
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Whether it's Star Wars, the MCU, the Jurassic movies, or any other fictional work, they are escapes from my daily life - escape from the stress of my job when I was employed - escape from the pain from my chronic conditions - escape from the reality of being homeless. I do not enjoy every project or every episode, but even the ones that are not great to me still help me escape for a short period of time ... I believe that was one of George's initial goals as far as I know. The Acolyte has been a wonderful escape every week despite me not liking it as much as other shows.
Thankyou for being one of the few that just appreciates the hard work. Not like any of us could direct this any better.
as much as people say that star wars is dead it will truly never die bc they will continue to make shows and movies for a long time regardless of the fan feedback
Wait for the Nielsen ratings. Disney loses money, they CANNOT do it for a long time. Even if they have enough money in the bank, the owners will ask questions.
Exactly and what the people who think it’s dead don’t realize is that they give it more of a ground to viewed upon. They still talk about it which means it’s not dead. If they stop talking about it then ya it’ll be dead.
Hmm, how did so many people leave a review before the first episode dropped? It's almost as if they didn't watch the show.
the problem is they ARE watching the show, which is utter drivel and an embarrassment to humanity
ffs, let's not overblow this. it's ok to enjoy or not enjoy something. ignore the noise. move on.
Being a fan since 1977 (yes I’m old). I have watched everything. Ep 7,8 and 9 to me were dog shite. But most of the tv stuff has been fine. It’s not for everyone. My problem is with the reviewers on RUclips. They slam and slag stuff off before it’s even out. Most of them hate because it gets them views, others hate because it’s not George Lucas directing. This show was doomed as soon as they found out who was directing, and I find that sad.
I’m like your description but I do not like the shows beyond season two of the mandolorian. I liked all of the animated shows and looked forward to seeing what Disney would come up with. I have been sadly disappointed by all of it! The writing is so bad. The Acolyte just happens to be the worse one. Like a zit that got so big you had to pop it. I had forgotten about the show, watched E1 and did not like it. I’ve watched all 4 and I cannot understand how the scripts were ever approved or how 180M was spent. Godzilla minus one was the best Godzilla story ever made, for 15M, and they did it through good writing. For some reason Disney does not consider writing to be worth much. Their focus is not on good story telling.
I absolutely agree with everything you said and some of the haters are filled with hate that has nothing to do with Star Wars at all but are instead expressing rage related to real life social and political issues that have absolutely nothing to do with this show. It's pretty transparent where some of the hate is coming from and I think it's pathetic.
And that says much about the fanbase, as Leslie Headland is better than both Favreau and Filoni
@@ashleighelizabeth5916do you really have to comment on everything confirming your bias? Half the country is tired of being talked down to by you people
Brava Meg! I could not agree more. I am often baffled by the vitriol in people who claim to be fans. So much hate. Does that not, in some ways, defy the definition of "fan"? I mean, there's got to be *something* they like! So the current releases are not satisfying them. THAT is endemic of Star Wars. Just look at how much more popular the prequel movies are now than when they were released - there again where people had expectations and were vocal about those expectation rather than being open to the stories that were produced. Remember when Book of Boba is being thoroughly reviled?
There's got to be room creatively for producers to innovate and step out of boxes (defined by the fandom) and try new things and new directions. There's being a fan, and there's letting your entitlement be more important than the storytelling. I always find something I like in the stories - some stories more than others. I don't expect every release to hit it out of the park. I don't want them to! That would kill the franchise faster than anything.
Frankly, I enjoyed Book of Boba, and Obi Wan, and am enjoying elements of the Acolyte - I take them for what they are, and the stories they are trying to tell. I do not value my own sense of what I want to see more than I am open to what has been created. Were there other shows that I enjoyed more? You bet! But if my inability to either be all in, or all out on the state of current Star Wars makes me not a "true fan" so be it. I have better things to do with my energy . . . like listen to Meg every morning with my coffee.
HERE'S a hot take: if you find a show or series is not for you at the moment, don't watch it! You might see it differently in a decade or so. It might never be your jam. Move on. Focus on what you enjoy, and let the rest fall away. Viewership speaks louder than rhetoric in these days when hyperbole and entitlement are in such evident abundance. Back in the days when the only Star Wars was in the physical movie houses, we used to call it "speaking with your feet."
well to be fair. I don't take the review bombing too seriously since bots are able to make reviews like they did for the ariv scam app in Canada. Which was review bombed with loads of fake good reviews. I can guarantee that a big chunk of those reviews are also made by bots. So we realy cant take reviews like that too seriously anymore because there's no way to actually tell which ones are legit criticisms and which ones are just bombed because some people think it's 'woke"
You're spot on with your monologue. Both sides of the fandom are in the wrong. They will both insult you if you disagree with them. This is not how people communicate in the real world. The Internet showcases the worst of humanity
If you sidestep the personal while addressing the critical analysis or assertion, assuming they've provided any, they can become pretty cool conversations. I've managed it a few times and its been fun.
ohhh for sure. Both sides are toxic 100% There's no such thing as discussing anything. And those who say it's "woke garbage" can't actually say what's "woke" about it. Let alone actually give a tangible explanation on what the term woke actually means.
The fans that were here from theur childhood arent wrong.
They have had their brand hijacked, been told to buy it regardless if they like it and if they dont like it they are told to go away.
Kathleen kennedy and the leftists are 1000000000000% in the wrong and the only people who are wrong.
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Ignoring the blatant propaganda from Kathleen kennedy and leftist hollywood can rightfully so be part of why one doesnt like it.
To me its worse than bad writing.
Because pushing THE MESSAGE is causing the bad writing.
Unfortunately, it's hard to have a decent conversation with the other options because people like to attack instead of listen and talk.
Not really gelling with The Acolyte right now but it irritates me when they nitpick on things like Smilo Ren floating, or even worse when they target an actor's ethnicity etc. that has nothing to do with the story.
Meg, I lo e your coverage of Star Wars content, but it's your sincere efforts to encourage respect for one another as fans that keeps me coming back to your channel. We don't HAVE to be a united fandom--in fact it's kind of cool that each of us has our own "certain point of view" when it comes to these stories--but we CAN be united in our respect and support for one another as fans. Keep up the great work!
The problem is Star Wars like a lot of fans are getting annoyed with not getting to the point. They are trying to build a franchise but they need to get to the point. Also I love the acolyte really it’s really cool
Agreed. This is getting bad. I’m not worried about the threats I got. But others may be more upset by it.
I know it's tacky, but our fandom is truly based on what we love. We spend entirely too much time arguing and fighting about what we hate instead of celebrating what we love. Everyone is different, we all have different tastes, and we all have different "origin stories" regarding what attracted us to this amazing universe! We're not monolithic in our fandom. We cross multiple generations and demographics. Not everyone will enjoy all the same things and that's perfectly ok. There's no need to sap the joy out of what someone else loves just because maybe we don't.
This is a core problem with the internet. I run a seasonal anime discussion channel and one person messaged me and told me I'd get better numbers if I talked about more things that piss me off. Which is insane. I do weekly discussions for about ten shows. Each one I pick up is, on average, a 12 episode commitment.
Why on Earth would I want to spend 30 hours watching, noting, recording, editing, and releasing videos on something I have no passion for? That's insane.
I feel the same way here. If I'm enjoying a Star Wars project, I watch it. If not, I ignore it.
The thing is that the hate-merchants do have some very valid criticisms but kind of ruin it by being complete and utter arseholes about it. I love and enjoy SW but I don't base my life around it, or let it have such an overbearing presence on my life that I get any kind of rage about any misgivings it has. It's entertainment; the bits that work are enjoyable and the bits that don't aren't so enjoyable, but never has it affected me to the point of throwing my Star Wars figurines out of the pram.
The ironic thing is that by encouraging review bombing (I realise most arent literally telling people to go review-bomb, but many are encouraging it) they actually make it less likely that audience feedback is listened to, because if they can't tell what is a legitimate review then every review is discredited.
@@dyentthis is exactly what I’ve been saying.
Could not have said this better myself. J.
Well said.
You're probably young. I'm 52. I'm OG OT and I hate what they're doing to Star Wars. Why? Because I know I could do better. I grew up dreaming of writing SW, but thought I never would because George keeps it all under wraps. What Leslye Headland is doing to this ... beggars belief.
Agree with what you’ve said. But I think there is also a group of non-fans that only want to dog pile and make more noise. As you’ve said it’s become an issue in society to be “woke” or “anti-woke” and I feel a lot of non-fans just want to use Star Wars and Disney in their crusade against “woke”.
Same goes for the "woke" crowd who are using this to attack the other side. But actual Star Wars fans just want good writing and this show falls short of that, sadly.
Word 100%
@@DRFOP Honestly, what does 'good writing' even mean within the realms of Star Wars? Compared to what?
@@DRFOP however it's undeniable that the majority of the hate comes from the "anti-woke" who feel threatened by diverse representation. It is sufficient to read comments or ask for clarification. No one is able to say why they hate it. Everyone talks about "writing" or about the "millions spent" but no one is able to say what is so horrible about this show. And it's not a coincidence that most of the hate emerged when episode 3 came out (women, black women, lesbian women....). This show may not be a masterpiece but it does not deserve the ratings it has. There is a clear crusade against this show which ultimately becomes a crusade against its lesbian creator and Disney's so called "agenda". I'm sorry to say it - and many will deny this -but many people feel threatened by inclusive material
@@DRFOPyou sound like a bot
Great vid, very much agree
Luminate Acolyte viewership (Fridays to Thursdays - different from Nielsen)
May 31 - June 6 (week 1): 210m minutes (only 2 days of release of E1 & 2)
June 7- 13 (week 2): 380.5m minutes (first week weekend and E3)
June 14-20 (week 3): 262m minutes
I am enjoying it very much so far, and love the way it is all playing out.
My wife and I as well, episode three is the only clunker, IMO.
A couple of thoughts. First: your absolutely right that disagreements should never be attacks or get personal. Doing so only proves you don’t actually have an argument to make. Next: define what “fan” means as it pertains to Star Wars. It used to simply mean, well, you liked Star Wars. I have been a lifelong fan of Star Wars, just not Disney Star Wars. But that’s actually an over-simplification because, now, I am an active detractor of Disney Star Wars because I’m a fan of Lucas Star Wars. I suspect many “fans” are in a similar position. Point being, it’s nearly impossible to define what “fan” means in association with Star Wars now. Lastly: I think the “review bombing” is not how Disney and access media are presenting it. It’s a narrative just like “it’s not safe for some fans of Star Wars” is a narrative (the only difference being that the latter is 100% made up). The show runners, actors and Disney itself created this “problem”. The “review bombing” the way I see it is a reaction by a significant portion of the fan base that have been tolerant of Disney but have been pushed too far by the nonsense, blaming and preemptive race and bigotry baiting that led up to The Acolyte’s release. The backlash, for lack of a better term” would have been less severe if the show runners and actors would have just shut the f up about their identity politics and just talked about Star Wars. But they can’t because they are all activists. So they got a reaction from fans for it that is overwhelmingly negative. They don’t like the response so THEY respond by doubling down and insulting and name calling and shaming and making cringy music videos and actively trying to take down critics and trying to make anybody critical of their nonsense out to be bigots. THEY created the problem and THEY are making it worse. In other words, it’s 100% Disney and the people who work for them who are to blame. They fractured the fan base. In their arrogance they thought that when they bought the rights to Star Wars they were also buying its fan base. They’ve acted in accordance with that belief. They are finding out how wrong they were. What a lot of people, including Disney, fail to realize is things have changed in the fan base. That huge base of fans now has a majority that have, over time, turned on Disney (and with good reason). Turns out you can’t keep fans by releasing garbage and just slapping the title “Star Wars” on it. It also turns out that fans have a tendency to be fans of what is quality and aren’t easily fooled when it no longer is. Who could have seen that coming? Disney sure didn’t.
just hope those "fans" listen to your sound advice, keep up the great work Meg
Yes Meg 100% agree i watch it because i want and like to watch it i dont give a s*it what others think.
Woop 🥳 🙂 Good journey to Galaxy Far, Far Away with El Fine S01 of The Acolyte at D+ 🙂
I consider myself to open minded person. I’m a mixed American with a gay daughter, who I love and cherish and make sure she feels that. I’m also a huge star wars fan since it’s original release when I was 7. I watched the Acolyte. It’s just not a good story and the production as a whole is poor. Star Wars and Disney both were built on story telling and it is lost on this series. Disney should go back to story telling to end this. If too much damage has not already been done.
I'm gay, but you're part of the problem cupcake. If you watch, they're validated in making more trash.
I agree 100%. Putting aside all the culture wars and everything. I have no interest in that aspect. I'm a die hard SW fan so I watch everything. And I give it all a fair shake because I WANT to like it. I want to see 50 shows like Andor and Mando. But this show just isn't good on basic, fundamental levels. I'm looking at costumes and makeup and obvious sound stage sets wondering where 180 million dollars went? I'm watching scenes and feeling 2nd hand embarrassed for the actors (those force witches, dear lord!). I don't know how directors watched some of these scenes and thought they looked good enough for a multi million dollar Star Wars show. It feels like the directors they are hiring are treating it like a joke, like a Nickelodeon kids show not worthy of a second take to get it right.
Yea this is what happens when you base your entire identity on race, gender, and sexuality.
@@bradgoddard5898 I find it hard to believe $180 Million were spent on this show. There should be an independent audit on The Acolyte production finances. I have a feeling we will find irregularities especially considering the showrunner previously worked for Harvey Weinstein.
@@TinMan445the story ain’t based on race or gender tho… so you’re argument is kinda disingenuous.
People telling people to shut up because they don’t like the other person having a different opinion is the biggest problem in all of this
I like the show; it's new, it's live actions, and it's star wars. The only thing I do not like about the show is how short it is and the amount of ads Disney slaps on each episode.
Disney shows ads?? is this a thing in the US?
Thump up for the first sentence. About the ads: No idea what that means because i haven't seen any ad when streamed movie / telly show in past 4x years when i've been non stop subscriber for D+ ✅ That monthly sub stays forever.
Enjoy El Njice The Acolyte S01 via D+ & journey to Galaxy Far, Far Away when streaming & restreaming 👍
You pay for streaming service but you still get ads anyway, despite already paying?!
See now, I have to wonder how real this review is because as far as I know there are no ads on Disney+.
Oh I guarantee Disney shows ads, you have to up your subscription amount to premium if you don't want ads. 9.99 usd or I think 14.99 premium.
So like, I would check out the channel kmCarter who is a writer and breaks down why the show doesn’t work. Also folks need to be aware how access media works with small media outlets (including RUclipsrs and influencers) which usually fluffs up critics scores. This small outlets feed off of early access, critics screenings, early screeners, special events which content creators use to make content. Disney aren’t the only ones that do this and there have been several high profile movies that had high critic reviews early and then drop once outlets not in the access media stream get a chance to see it.
As far as division goes, there is toxicity, name calling and harassment going on both camps. I hate it, we all came into Star Wars with a love for the franchise and no matter what side of fandom you fall under I think we deserve better than what we’ve been given the past few years.
If I'm enjoying a show, why would I want to watch a channel that's telling me why I'm not supposed to like it? Watching a channel like that is fine if you already don't like it and want an outlet for that, or if you're a writer and are interested in her perspective for that reason. But I just come to these shows for entertainment. It's not a perfect show, but it is absolutely working for me. Curious what you thought of ep 5, which is definitely the best so far.
@@erinm9445 dialog was really bad, characters logical choices didn’t add up at all. One moment in episode 4 Mae was like “my sister is my priority, I’ll turn myself into the Jedi” then in episode 5 she starts fighting the Jedi and flips back again. I did enjoy 5 more but that was because the action was non stop. Honestly for me I think I would have enjoyed it more if it was on mute. And truth be told there is a version of this show I think could have worked on me but the execution, writing and dialog feels something akin to early 2000’s CW. Characters and motivation matters in fight scenes though, if it’s not working for me, I might as well be watching a fan film
@@DareBear2099 Other than Andor, can you name a single Star Wars project with good dialogue? Bad dialogue is kinda the Star Wars brand. Sometimes I think the fans forget that Star Wars are a bunch of epic B movies. There's a lot they do really well, but they're also cheesy and ridiculous--in a fun way--in terms of dialogue and plot.
@@erinm9445 your right but at least the bad dialog followed its own rules. This show will tell you one thing then contradict itself in the next scene. One scene we get an assassin claiming “Jedi never draw their saber’s unless they are prepared to kill” the next scene Yord is holding up a lightsaber to light the room… or the Mae killing a Jedi master with a steel dagger but the Sith In another scene says you can’t kill a Jedi with steel or laser. There is a difference between “but I wanna go to the Haji Station to get some power converters!” And what we get in the Acolyte. Bad dialog is bad dialog as long as the dialog follows the shows own rules
I think the problem is not even the controversy over creative choices, creators, or "representation", or even KK accusing fans of being hostile before the show even came out - it's because in recent memory (animated shows aside) most Star Wars has been BORING and looks CHEAP. There's nothing really memorable like Lucas' scenes/characters and no vision, no plan, no direction. Hence the dissent.
Did you even watch Andor?
@@raudan3105 Andor didn't look cheap, it's true. It was not memorable, nor did it invigorate the fandom, except for the niche audience that want Gilroy's star wars. It was badly paced like all the D+ shows, sometimes ending abruptly, or having two episodes of setup for 15 minutes of pay off. The story is redundant and not a new direction or vision for SW, just another spin-off. It was another divisive show, but many fans just didn't care enough to complain about it. A handful of pretentious youtube videos about it doesn't change that. Cassian is a dollar store Han Solo and Luna is not an actor with the charisma to carry the franchise.
@@raudan3105 dude Andor sucks..
Thank you. There’s room for all of us!!!
Acolyte is great family viewing. The people who don't like it aren't the audience, its a kids show. Yes, it has flaws, but kids dont care. Its escapist and entertaining. Andor is for sophisticated more critical older viewers.
Great video Meg! I totally agree, and I think most people - when we humanize each other - are willing to be respectful. We need to remember that there are people who are trying to drive clicks, and those aren’t even the worst actors. There are actual countries with Intelligence apparatus, whose policy is to shite post and so discord in other nations. This is not conspiracy stuff, it’s policy. So keep in mind that person that you were arguing with may not even be real, they may be someone who is truly out to spread misery. Don’t engage.
It baffles me how difficult some people make it to just have a simple conversation. "I understand the things you don't like about it, but there are some pretty cool things about it, too. Right?"
Rarely happens. People argue nowadays, no one actually debates anymore.
I will say this about Disney Star Wars: the absolute WORST thing you can do on a press tour, BEFORE the project comes out, is say that we don't care what the fans want. That's a great way to lose chunks of the fandom right there. I unsubscribed from Star Wars Theory two days ago. The level of toxicity he shares with his streaming fans became intolerable. I was with him for almost 8 years.
You have to appreciate creativity, but you don't have to agree with everything. The analogy I use most is I'm a Dallas Cowboys fan. When they fired their beloved coach and went 1-15, I was upset, but didn't start rooting for another team. I stuck with them. You know, like a fan should. Star Wars is the same. I love sci-fi. That won't change.
That is just society and the social media we have today of the faceless masses. What are the pretty cool things, so we can compare notes?
You can have a debate, but needs to be with friends you know want to have it.
I've watched a few Star Wars Theory videos and all he did was sit there with tears streaming down his face, not speaking, so I turned them off. Thanks for telling me what he does when he actually opens his mouth, in case I'm ever tempted to click on his stuff again.
At this point I'm DONE with the negative Star Wars CC channels. If it comes up on the front page of RUclips I indicate I don't want to see it anymore. I was subscribed to one of them I unsubscribed. I'm totally done with these clowns that have no objectivity or integrity.
For those who like the acolyte, please tell me what is good about it?
Honestly, tell me what you have enjoyed. I would like to hear from you.
Good characters, great casting, intriguing storyline and setup, great fight choreography, and good costumes. Now after episode 5 I'd also say great stakes. It doesn't hold a candle to Andor in terms of sophistication and writing quality, but it's not trying to. Most Star Wars is a bit campy and silly, and most of it has plot holes and cheesy dialogue--Acolyte fits right into this.
What's hilarious is that much of the more recent negative feelings have been AFTER the Star Wars Brand and official channels started calling out the naysayers and trying to cancel them.
There is a massive contingent of the Star Wars “community” lead by RUclipsrs (no offense) and their followers that consistently chant, “I’m done with Star Wars!” After the release of every new show. Yet, they keep watching, keep consuming and continue to complain. I need those people to go away. If you’re done, be done. Otherwise, it feels like a disingenuous agenda behind their constant gripes. Star Wars is silly and made for children. It’s meant to inspire the imagination of children and translate complex issues for developing minds. 20, 30, 40 year olds crying about Star Wars for what ever reason (some even being monetized to do so) is the saddest example of humanity.
Those folks always claim Disney is pushing agendas, but from an outlook POV, it is them pushing their own agendas.
"I need those people to go away." No, this is.
Sadly there is a large proportion of the population who see a culture war in every aspect of everything they experience.They fit every part of every experience to their delusions about why things are the way they are.
Pop culture is caught up in it.
Disney shoves their agenda into every show. It’s annoying
@@habituallinestepper8839not even seeing the irony here, do you?
@@marco2709djr they never do. $5 says he's one of those clowns that think the Empire represents Dems and the Rebels represent the Right Wing faithful. They are completely out of touch with reality.
As the saying goes, 'the personal has become political'. It's truly a shame. I actually watched all 5 episodes of The Acolyte last night and had fun. Does that mean I think it's the same as The Empire Strikes Back? Of course not. But I was entertained and am looking forward to the next episode.
The acolyte is a good show, in my opinion, not as good as Mando but not as bad as the last 2 sequel movies. And if someone genuinely does not like it, it is ok, but the ones that just hate to hate are insufferable.
As a wise man once said "when it comes to fans, it is a fan's right to have whatever opinion they want to have, and people are going to be upset... I don't necessarily consider that toxic. I just consider that passion" - Henry cavill
Episodes 7-9 came a bit too soon. It felt like a hit-or-miss scenario for the franchise. If the core (episodes 7-9) were better, probably more rewarding for Luke Skywalker fans then I think that fans would've been more open and tolerant for future projects. In contrast, if the core is bland or/and unstable then a negative future is pretty much guaranteed.
I’m not turning anything off or not watching that has star wars on it. In sports your team doesn’t win every year but you don’t give up on them.
hell yes
Lol I have given up on the cowboys and I've been a fan basically since birth (77)
That's a great analogy.
I'm so happy I watched the first four episodes of The Acolyte without being poisoned by online discourse. My opinion so far is that it's not the best of the different series that have come out so far, but I'm enjoying it. It's way, way better than Book of Boba Fett.
My only difference in opinion is I found the Book of Boba Fett to be fun. But that is the beauty is we can have different opinions and still love Star Wars.
Most fans being in the middle is Disney's biggest problem. Not wanting to get caught in the crossfire, I keep my opinions about it offline-mostly to myself; but I do express myself to my friends and family who ask my opinion, knowing I was a superfan,. The majority of middle of the road fans won't complain much, they just stop watching and stop buying. The loudest voices spend the least amount of money. Good luck with that, Disney.
Agreed, there's lot I don't like of the current state of SW and the way it's being created... but don't make it personal. We don't have to agree to be civil. Well said Meg, ty
Yes, "play the ball, not the man" as they say. I belong to the original generation of Star Wars fans and nothing bores me more than younger generations whining about Disney. Nothing Disney has done is as bad as Jar Jar Binks and I got over that more than twenty years ago, and I never thought EU should be canon either so I'm fine with it being Legends. There's nothing fundamentally wrong with this show so I don't have any time for those many, many RUclipsrs who have resorted to attacking the individuals involved in its creation in such offensive and personal terms.
50 y/o fan here, I don't get the hate at all. I'm enjoying The Acolyte very much and can't wait for tonight's episode.
me too 👀
I’ll be 50 in September and I’ve seen every movie in the theater. I may like certain projects more however, I can honestly say that I’ve still enjoyed nearly every project. It’s a very large universe and every project won’t be for everyone’s tastes.
Of course some people will like it while others will hate it. I'm sure the haters can't understand how you could possibly enjoy this show either.
@@MustardSkaven We have no clue. It's horribly written, the acting is less than community film school level, almost zero direction, cheap sets and effects, no consistency with canon, and then, added to all of that, those criticisms are responded to with "well then you're just a racist bigot" by the show runner, her nepo jedi wife, and the lead actress.
So, yeah. It really doesn't make any sense how any actual fan can support it. Like how Obi-Wan wasn't actually about ObiWan. Or Boba Fett being yet another legendary canon figure that was neutered. Hermit Luke. Crotchety Han. Ignoring Finn except as token one liner guy. Mary Sue who didn't earn anything due to "blah blah destiny".
Sci-fi/fantasy enthusiasts love prophecy, heroe's journey, strong characters (regardless of race, gender, sexuality, or species), Mary Sues who earn it through age to help drive the power fantasy (EU Luke being a prime example), and we all love building characters up without the need to tear others down.
Disney had no clue how to hand over the torches. They can't keep up with their own canon they adopted and continue to just cherry pick concepts other writers actually came up with (once again, EU) and present them as their own. "Your writing sucks, your plot makes no sense, the inconsistencies can be picked apart by a toddler, and your focusing on message over substance". "Well, you're a racist/bigot/woman hater".
It's a vast universe. Hundreds of thousands of different species, millions of races, tons of cultures. You can't avoid homosexuality, multitudes of different forms of reproduction, various skin colors and genders. Just frame it all with writing, acting, and directing at a bloody acceptable level. Retconning, changing wikipedia entries due to mistakes an actual fan would never make, bait/switch tactics with Carrie Anne Moss, the absurdity that being impaled on a lightsaber is a flesh wound and a 4 inch dagger is death, a Jedi sitting there while a bar full of patrons is ripped apart by a force user, a jedi master committing suicide, sudden philosophical changes, fire in space, stone catching aflame like flash paper, "I'm going to kill you/you're my sister and we're twinsies and I'm good", Jedi being depicted as bumbling, weak fools with the average intelligence of bacteria, and nepotism out of spite (green lady can't act) as opposed to out of respect for a legacy character (lLeia).
We want to see the Jedi Order as a rigid law enforcement society that holds tradition over empathy and imposes order while the Sith espouse freedom and power while manipulating things. Shades of grey take nuance, and Disney writers lack the skill to portray that while being forced to churn out malarkey, knowing anything Star Wars will have enough viewers who just want Star Wars, even when they don't like what they are watching.
All of us deserve better than Wheel of Time, Rings of Power, post Endgame MCU, most of the DCEU movies, Sony Spiderman properties, and Disney Star Wars. And we most definitely deserve the right to point out what's wrong with beloved IPs.
I’m half your age and feel the same way.
Le but c'est qu'ils comprennent qu'on avale pas n'inporte quoi sans rèfléchir un minimum ... Je crois que tu as l'avis le plus "équilibré" que j'ai vu jusqu'à présent sur internet , bravo à toi 👍👍👍
Yes, there are toxic people in the Star Wars fandom, but Lucasfilm, who should be acting responsibly, attacked fans before the show even came out and they have only exacerbated the situation with their attitude and approach.
The "fans" have been attacking Disney for a really long time, so it's only fitting that Disney should fight back and put them in their place!
Watch what you like and don't watch what you don't like. Some fans are big babies.
A nice chunk, not a majority, and not that large (Say 10%), are miserable. And nothing will make them happy. They will always seem to find something to get really mad about
10% of people didn't drive it to 13%....
@@fzdreaddy No, that's true but you can bet your ass that 87% percent of the people who have watched this show do NOT have a negative opinion of it. If you pulled out all the BS reviews and the review bombing that number would probably be mid... my guess would be somewhere in the low 60s. We could argue legitimately if it might be below 50% or not but it's pretty damn obvious that the number is not truthfully as low as 13%.
Hell if there were just a way to screen out any review that used the words "woke" "agenda", LGBT and similar I bet the number would be at least in the high 40s.
@@ashleighelizabeth5916 I’d argue that it’d be hard to fairly and accurately determine what reviews are genuine or not. Regardless of what criteria we set or who we’d hire or what algorithm we applied, it’d inherently carry bias that could dismiss legitimate reviews and retain illegitimate reviews.
Even filtering out trigger words isn’t perfect. For one, those who may intentionally be review bombing could simply dance around the trigger words. For another, people who did indeed watch the show and are expressing their genuine opinions (positive and negative) could be inadvertently censored because they unwittingly included the trigger word(s).
@@GGBlaster I agree that it would not be the easiest thing to screen out legitimate reviews from those who are review bombing, are bots or who are attacking because of personal political bias unrelated to the quality of the show.
And yes the more clever among the bigoted and the hateful have learned to dance around the truth and attempt to cloak their racism or homophobia in an attempt to make themselves appear legitimate.
And of course there are ways to work around word filters and those filters could even inadvertently snare reviews that were speaking out against prejudice and bigotry.
I was more speculating on what the numbers would actually look like if we could account for bigotry and prejudice unrelated to the show not suggesting that we had a perfect way to always find it.
@@GGBlaster I agree with that but there is no way that the nearly 70% difference in bw the critic score and audience score is legit. If the audience score was 50% I'd buy that cuz it's plausible but not 14%
I'd also note that a lot of people are trying to make a living off RUclips, and a large proportion of them are simply working on the basis that there is an audience out there who want to see bad things said about "woke" media, be it Star Wars, Dr Who, Star Trek Discovery, the Orville whatever. So they try and feed that beast, some of them find it works and that then spawns imitators.
Personally, I don't think the Acolyte is nearly in the same league of badness as say Picard, season 2. I'll probably keep watching. But it also repeats the flaws of the prequel trilogy in that most of the characters are just not sympathetic. If most of those Jedi are killed off, will I care? No, which on one level is possibly just as well (next up, jedi robes to be replaced with red shirts), but we *ought* to be inspired to care and we're just not.
Well said, Meg!!! ❤I fell in love with Star Wars when I was 13, and I have read the books, and I want to watch everything that comes out. While I’m disappointed with the Acolyte, I can’t throw away all the joy I have received from George Lucas’s world. There is too much division in this world today. Thanks for the video ❤
There is no denying that there is a segment of fandom predisposed to disliking nearly everything. Some because it’s Disney, some because they consider it woke, others because women characters are strong, and some because the galaxy isn’t white enough for them. Then there are those that can’t think for themselves and the opinions parrot other outlets. For me as an OG 1977 Star Wars fan I’ve embraced it all, amazed half a lifetime later we still get stories. We have to embrace them for what they are, and even aren’t, and be grateful we still have content so regularly.
I agree with this completely!
You make a good point. This IP is one of the longest lasting in history. It’s been having these moments for as long as it has been around. Social media has only made how we talk about it worse. No one is able to make up their own mind or be true to their own beliefs. Someone is motivated by something in this divisive time no matter where you stand. I wish that wasn’t the case but hey it’s been like that for a while now.
@TheGothicHangman you're not wrong. There are those of us who actually don't like this show based on horrible writing and bad acting, though. Everything else is not part of why I don't like this, yet there are many out there who throw me in with those who are hating the show because of the reasons you listed. For a group of people that claim they support equality and tolerance, they are the most intolerant group in the country and the most bigoted. They throw those labels on others because it's a reflection of themselves.
You can’t please everyone, we got good writing and acting in Andor and there were plenty thought it was slow. In A New Hope Mark Hamill was a horrible actor just whining all the time, we’ve just grown to accept it. As for The Acolyte I’m waiting to see the whole story before judging everything. As the story unfolds it keeps showing us more or the picture, personally I’m enjoying it, even parts others didn’t like. @@jvazacas
@TheGothicHangman Mark whining was how the character was written, so I would say he is a great actor for nailing the role. It was literally him following in his father's footsteps. As his character grew, he became less whiney. It's called range and good acting. Something the actors of acolyte are not talented enough to accomplish. As for the show not being white enough, the original trilogy didn't have a ton of white people in it either. A majority of the characters were aliens 👽, the women were the leaders, and the guys were either scoundrels or immature and would have lost without the women leading them. There's nothing wrong with you liking the show, just like there's nothing wrong with me for not liking the show. That's individuality. Now, if someone is disrespectful or attacks me because of it, I throw it back at them. I prefer to stay civil, though.
It’s much cooler to hate on things than to praise them. I honestly think in 10-15 years people will look back at the Acolyte, Mando season 3, Boba Fett, Ahsoka, and will light up with appreciation. Star Wars fans hate today and love tomorrow…well love years later.
I do not have star wars fatigue, this show Acolyte is just poorly written, predictable action and drama, (how can you kill a Jedi with a kitchen knife??????), the main character changes her mind about killing Jedi in the middle of the show because she thinks the Jedi are going to forgive her, but wait the jedi are "the bad guy" in this show, suddenly the jedi are good now?????
Star Wars has become a religion to some. Like most religions there is a range of beliefs and many people will argue that theirs is the only one truth. I'm just enjoying the journey, have been since '77, and hope that it continues.
WRONG. People leave reviews for products and businesses typically when they feel wronged, cheated, mistreated. People are leaving reviews for The Acolyte because they are so shocked and appalled that they need to let others know how they feel. As a semi pro reviewer, casual people are less likely to leave reviews when they are content.
Are you truly this blind that people dont brigade reviews ? Literally 4chan has entire threads on how to do it
@@Crocthunder Review bombs happen, but if you look at casual yelp reviewers (as an example), they tend to only leave reviews when they feel a 1 star review is warranted. And you can tell the 5 star reviews were there because the business gave them a coupon. Look, the franchise died with the ST, but this is abysmal. I think the most sensible thing for lifelong fans is to just consider episodes 1 - 6 as Star Wars and ignore everything else or treat everything else as non canon. Even Clone Wars has a lot of taint.
@@somethingawesome9547 Yeah Jar Jar Binks was great! Much better than this new stuff.
@@TheMarlinspike Jar Jar did not commit a divide by zero error the way the non George Lucas stuff does. This is the point. The Disney errors are not on par with “midochlorians.” Second, Star Wars that is not from George Lucas is literally not Star Wars, irregardless of George’s stuff being better or not. It’s George’s art; his playground. Would finish an incomplete song of Michael Jackson or 2pac and call it a song by Michael Jackson or 2pac? You wouldn’t do that with a half painted Picaso piece either.
May the Force Be with you Always Meg!!❤
As previously stated I have stepped back and taken a hiatus from watching Star Wars as far as this month due to issues on both sides and growing frustrated. Apologies if I have caused offence.
..as an aside, does anyone know if Cortosis or Cortosis Weave has ever been mentioned thus far in live action?
Thanks Meg! 🙏🏼
I just found Rotten Tomatoes has removed my negative Review on the Acolyte that I did last night. It's not even in my account anymore to view. That's super sus.
I'll bet it was replaced by an overly positive review of Captain Marvel. 😉
Star wars Meg,I'm really happy you addressed this. Personally I, although I watched OT first and Prequels, I was teenager while Sequels started,and to me,I love them. I love them for being funny yet also I see myself in Ben solo/Kylo Ren. Somehow I understand this character. You may say he's parody on Gen Z,but I won't speak for all of my generation. And while time passed,now I have even sympathy towards Force diade. Because I share the same with my boyfriend. More over,I watch Star wars to relax,because my region is near Russia,and you mostly feel that not hope has left. But I watch Star wars,and I'm escaping from reality ,being there. I really like Recent Star wars projects. I never hate them. Also I don't lhave least favorite, because I consider them unique in theirs own way. Thank you for addressing this issue. Your words actually matters for my heart as I see light of Hope in them.
Like most things in life, it's never as simple as a lot of people on the Internet try to make it seem. I see people put 100% of the blame on either Lucasfilm or the fandom, and both takes are wrong. There are many factors as to why the fandom is in the war that it is now.
1. Lucasfilm is not doing itself any favors with making these poorly-timed comments on the misogyny inside the fanbase. Maybe they shouldn't be doing that right before a new show comes out and creating controversy. There is also, in my opinion, a lot of arrogance towards the fans.
2.) As a fanbase, we have a responsibility not to yuck each other's yum. It's like you said, it's perfectly fine to not like a show or a movie, but there are a vocal subgroup that just want to tear down people's enjoyment of something. It works in the opposite way too, people trying to convince others that they HAVE to like something, otherwise you're not a "real fan". I've read countless books from current canon and the old EU that are just hot garbage, but I'm still a fan. We all have to be kinder to each other.
3.) There is a growing number of content creators on RUclips that are just stirring the hate pot so they can attract views and clicks. They feel no responsibility to the fanbase they try to attract and will gladly keep the culture war going on as long as they profit from it.
Thank you Meg, for not being like any of these. Channels like you, Generation Tech, Eckhardt'sLadder, etc are why I still come to RUclips for part of my Star Wars fix.
I have never spoken up about how I feel about the Disney Star Wars until the Acolyte arrived. I cancelled my Disney Plus and then created a Rotten Tomatoes account simply to voice my displeasure. I gave the show 4 episodes. It feels too modern now and no longer mythological as early Star Wars. Not because of POCs or sexualities of those involved. It's just not what I remember Star Wars to be.
Thank you for not focusing on the hatred that does exist in the fandom and always hovering in a beautiful middle ground of eternal childhood fandom.
As an OG Star Wars fan from 1977 I'm still a fan despite bad reviews, writing, acting, it's the ability to have an imagination that entertains at the end of the day.
You have no spine.
@@neokorben2581 Says the person leaving comments on the internet, okay bud.
"It's the ability to have an imagination that entertains at the end of the day."
Soundtrack really elevates the streaming when use headphones. I have "65 Led Telly & 5.1. Wireless Headphones in use when stream content on Disney+, Amazon Prime Video, AppleTv+ & so on 🙂 Sure some people have home theater which drives the same thing & other settings. 🙂
I think many of us OG fans understand. Because we lived in a time when there was no Star Wars, we understand that if we don’t show a modicum of appreciation Star Wars could go away like so many other things.
The vast amount of reviews will be 2 words "It's S**t", I don't bother commenting on anything on social media as most of the time you just get attacked for your views.
That's simply not true. In fact right at this moment, there are many 5***** reviews, that have 3 or 4 sentences. Oh, and 5 of 5 I randomly checked, were first time reviewers or they only ranked Asohka aswell. You know, the same behaviour, Disney and freinds called on negative reviews as 'bombing'. Still on 13%, you cant make this up. :-D
I ignore the fandom. It's just as trash as most internet political commentary.
So what you’re saying Meg is that ‘only a Sith thinks in absolutes…’ 8:12
Ngl the acolyte was a good show in my opinion, the high republic era was shown pretty well.
Glad u got an opportunity to watch the whole thing.
I'm enjoying the show, is it perfect? no! but I'm not looking for "cannon" or things like that! i see it as a stand alone show! i watched star wars as a child and remember the magic i felt! we cant get that from these shows, that's my opinion.
Cannon - a big gun. Canon - a complete body of work.
I don’t think I’ve seen any personal attacks on people that like the Acolyte - is there a channel in particular you are referring to? All the big RUclipsrs criticizing this show are criticizing the show runners as far as I can see
There are several reasons why the brand is shrinking. In hindsight, I think live action Star Wars on TV watered down the brand. Star Wars was made to be seen on a grand stage in the cinema. TV makes the world small and has made the Star Wars universe small. I agree the brand needs a film, even a series of films to restore the grandeur of the universe.
Been a Star Wars fan since 1980, this is “New Star Wars” fine, it’s 2024. The show is just “BAD WRITING” Boba was written badly also! This isn’t sexism or anything else, JUST BAD WRITTING 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
How is it hard to imagine there isnt people like that, starwars fans literally have said some ugly shit constantly for the past 20 years , why is you guys are so hellbent on acting like the fanbase isnt well known for this , its bad writing when its fans are incapable of reading a wiki right lmao ?
"Bad writing" code speak for racial slurs. Everyone knows that.
The Acolyte reaction is, I think, what happens when a large community of fans just hits the end of it's rope. The Last Jedi disappointed a lot of people who were mostly excited about Star Wars, expecting it to be good. The Acolyte, years later, is what happens after so many Star Wars shows didn't perhaps completely suck, but almost all of which (Andor excepted) let down the fans in some way or didn't stick the landing: Mando started great but S3 was pretty shaky. Ahsoka started off great, and kind of lost momentum in the last half. Book of Boba was just mostly bad, the Kenobi show was extremely bland (outside a couple of cool moments), Bad Batch feels pretty 'early clone wars' and speaking generally, it's mostly been fairly meh: not horrible, but not memorable either. Disney just doesn't learn, or care, they just want a cash cow. Acolyte of all the shows, just feels completely phoned in, from the acting, to the characters to the weirdly amateurish cinematography, it just feels like it was written and shot by AI. And I think people are just done.
Then why is so much criticism about lesbian space witches? There is a huge swath of critiques from closeted (sometimes out in the open) bigots.
For anyone legitimately unhappy with Disney Star Wars, they can simply leave. If nearly everything that comes out disappoints them, then it's time to move on. Either they believe everything's bad, or the content is just not landing with them. Either way, move on. But there's no doubt that a large percentage of this hatred is being manufactured and influenced by bad actors, of the social media types. Lots of grifting. Lots of astroturfing. It's just like politics.
@@tipsyt1909You don't have to be a "bigot" to find things unrelatable, especially when the characters and themes are objectively cringe in thier execution and who's existence also rewrites a more coherent canon & history.
This cast and director keep banging on about "representation" and "patriarchy" which of course was NEVER an issue in SW, but as it is, with identity politics being the coin of the realm, I think the movers and shakers in this program are not going to have broad appeal within the fanbase. Especially when the makers of the program have gone to great lengths to preface that this is specifically female and LGBTQ centric, based on Headland's orientation/life experience and the choice of cast. Believe it or not, that is not going to resonate with a large audience. They're taking a huge IP, with broad appeal amongst all walks of life, nationalities, sexes, ages etc, and using it as a vehicle for some very niche messaging. I mean come on; a coven of exclusively female witches, driven out and persecuted across the galaxy, yet home to a lesbian couple that are so powerful, they have brought a pair of twins to life within one of them, using the force, or "thread", something unparalleled in the SU. A fear without equal. And lo, they're two little dreadlocked black girls without a father, because of course they are...So subtle. And whilst LGBTQ is promoted and supported by every organ of the state, every media outlet, tech platform and corporation, the coven here is portrayed as victims, pariahs in a hostile universe. They could have literally done anything else and it wouldn't have smacked of victim hood virtue signalling. Or at least not lay it on so thick. If it's purely down to their use of the Force being perceived as perverse, by the Jedi, then congratulations, you've either introduced potentially the most powerful beings in the universe as abominations, or the Jedi are a complete joke. I think that's a stumbling block for most of the fandom.
The fact that it is poorly written, acted and shot, really doesn't help, so I'm not sure on what level most people can engage with this show, unless you are that niche audience that enjoy polarising people in this way, because you think that that is "progressive"
@@wolfmauler Could not agree with this more. Write something good and I'll enjoy it. Write something bad and use that as a mode to push an agenda and I'll not only torch it, I will cheer everyone else who torches it. Especially when you mess with a coveted IP like Star Wars.
Seriously, as a big fan of Tolkien, I hate Amazon's Rings of Power for the same reasons. Just badly written drek.
@@wolfmaulerAgree. Female leads are not the problem here. Fallout has a female lead and the fans love it wholeheartedly, even tho the fans are predominantly male, more than SW ever is. If the story is done right, people will not complain. Don't hate the fans for criticizing your work, listen to them and improve. Make a good story that people no matter who will love it. No one will even dare to write a negative review if the story is actually good. Forget all those politics, or social responsibilities, just make a good, imaginative story. That's all the people watching, fans or not, are asking for.
A SIth saying "I'm a Sith" and almost winking! Again, Disney, leave the helmet on. Ren became a joke when he took it off.
Well said Meg! As I child I waited in line several hours to see Star Wars in 1977. Since the Disney purchase I like most of it, some of it not so much. It is after all a work of fiction and what I consume is my choice. I will keep watching and what I enjoy, I'll watch again. :)
"If you're not with me, then you're my enemy". The fandom polarization is an unfortunate side effect of the state of the world. Everything is now from politics to ..fandom it seems. Sad, but true.
Literally, its exhausting every convo has that one guy who brings it up or does the usual bm
If the show was good there wouldn’t be a problem.
Literally
Thank you Meg 🖤
Very well said Meg! If you are a fan, be a fan, like you said whether you're die hard or casual, there's definitely no room for "fair weather" or "armchair" fans who are trolls and nasty to others!
Are all these reviewers actual Star Wars fans? Or did the show got caught in the middle of a culture war?
I've played KOTOR, SWTOR, most other Star Wars games and shows, read the High Republic comics, some boooks... And I still haven't made up my mind about the show. And being a mystery story we'll probably have to wait until the season is over.
But it was clear from the interviews before the show was released that it was going to be controversial. I mean "where are all the straight white male lead characters?" The irony of narrow minded people watching fantasy & sci fi shows.....
I am in no way am I big SW fan I’m more a Star Trek fan. However, I’m an enormous Science Fiction fan, and I love science fiction regardless. I think that the toxic fans are out of control to the point that some of them are threatening the lives of influencers who support Star Wars Acolytes.
The truth is that they don’t own the SW IP Disney does and they can do whatever they want to the IP.
I don't put myself out there to be insulted by either side, but when something is so terrible I think people feel more called to action to voice it. If something is mediocre or even good you may not be as inspired to leave a review. If someone likes this show for whatever reason then that's on them. If I know them I may give them a ribbing, but all in good fun. I think politics has entered everything we do now, sports, entertainment etc.. and the ability to sit down and lose yourself in another world or time is no longer an escape when you get pulled back into modern drama and modern politics. Star Wars was pretty good at addressing principles and human issues that were timeless, now they are the complete opposite. It's no longer timeless, somehow they have made the universe much smaller and characters much less relatable to a large group of people because it's no longer about shared individual struggle, but about making heroes out of false victims that very few can relate to. I think the Acolyte is the Crux of people realizing the fun and timelessness of Star Wars is no longer. It's now a propaganda piece and prides itself on such and in that sense it is dead. The show is the Acolyte, the culmination of a shift in storytelling that has murdered what we all once used for escape, hope, and encouragement.
As a business owner, when does insulting your customers help? Not sure how this approach works or makes the situation better.
Lots of Star Wars stuff selling for cheap right now. So there is something positive
Meg, in the past few days, I have noticed most of the people crapping on The Acolyte the hardest also share a certain...political view. One that seemingly deifies a certain felon. It's not a coincidence that as Star Wars has become more socially inclusive and Disney has taken a firm stance against certain sociopolitical views, a very vocal segment of the online population has come out swinging against them. Nobody likes to admit it, but this is almost entirely a political backlash. Similarly to how there's a sudden backlash after it took "some people" 4 seasons of The Boys to realize Homelander is the villain, and the show is making fun of them. The Acolyte isn't perfect but this extreme level of negativity is far from justified. To be clear, it's okay to not like the show, but the majority of people watching aren't online talking about it. So we don't know how popular or liked it really is. But I when I can click on the social media profile of nearly anyone hatefully trashing Disney Star Wars and The Acolyte, and find other posts expressing strong right-wing political sentiments, it starts to become clear these are the type of people that aren't hating the show for legitimately valid flaws, but rather because they're offended by Disney not being a right-leaning company, and by the show for depicting a more diverse galaxy that offends their personal views.
This is exactly what I’ve been thinking. No one seems to want to acknowledge it, but the hate is political and is mostly coming from right wing quarters and directed at inclusivity , or as they say it, wokeness.
Right wing ideologues are only exploiting the fact that this show has until now been bad. They may have amplified the criticism and fan backlash but they did not create it : Disney did that by releasing an impressively flawed product. Likewise, Disney also drove neutral and even sympathetic fans straight into the arms of said ideologues.
Take Andor, which is explicitly political and nakedly leftist : they tried to hate on that too, but fans who actually watched the show weren't having it. The quality spoke for itself, and eventually the professional haters realized the clicks weren't coming their way and just gave up. Same story with House of the Dragon and Inside Out 2 - haters tried to hate, complaining about wokeness, black velaryons, female-led narratives, you name it... but that's the kind of stuff only a fringe minority cares about. Normal people just want to be entertained, and are able to discern crap from quality.
Point being, stop giving them ammunition.
@@xtrafunk to be fair, the Original Trilogy wasn't exactly a cinematic masterpiece. Visually it was spectacular and unprecedented for its time, but if those films were released today with the exact same writing and dialogue, there would be people saying those are bad too. I think because we love them from our youth, we put on our rose tinted glasses and easily forget the clunky dialogue, cheap gags, silly moments (Han yelling Woohoo while going down the garbage chute? Chewie doing a Tarzan yell while swinging on a vine with the ewoks?).
Star Wars was never meant to be Citizen Kane. I think many of us might be holding this show up to a standard it was never aiming for. The Acolyte may be darker and telling a different style of story in the Star Wars universe, but at its core, it's still Star Wars. It doesn't need to have the most brilliant writing to be entertaining.
Andor was a good show that took a more serious and gritty approach to storytelling. Some of the character drama was moderately interesting, and even brilliant at times, and the visual World building was spectacular in some cases. But overall the show was also incredibly boring to me most of the time. All the stuff on Aldhani prior to the actual heist felt like filler and I just wanted them to shut up and get it over with, and found myself longing for the Mon Mothma and Luthan scenes, and ISB scenes because at least they provided some intrigue.
Sometimes you just want the show to quit trying to be clever and dramatic and just be fun.
@@katiemcleod My point really had little to do with Andor specifically, hence highlighting other media that is both progressive and successful. Star Wars doesn’t have to be Andor, but it can’t be the Acolyte. They don’t have the luxury of being outrageously bad.
It’s both. It was being review bombed before it even came out, because people didn’t like who was involved in it, but it’s also just not very good. There is also some review exaggeration, there’s no real word for it, where some are giving it 5 stars.
I've heard someone call it "Positivity Bombing" or something like that.
The people disliking it have no credibility in my view since they started long before they even saw the show.
yeah sure the youtube trailer got 150k like vs 750k dislike but all dislike are toxic, you're the fool believing everybody is except him
accept the power of many 🤣
"but it’s also just not very good". The thing is though, that's just an opinion and not objectively fact. There are tons of people who are enjoying Acolyte and think it's good. It's much like the prequels. A lot of OG fans absolutely hated the prequels when they came out. People were saying Lucas ruined Star Wars, or he ruined their childhood and other hyperbolic crap when in reality they are ok movies. Not great, not terrible but ok. For some reason now, fans expect all SW content to be absolutely 100% amazing and if it isn't then it 100% sucks. There is no middle ground. Add in a social media algorithm that feeds and plays to our our emotions and this is what you get. A divisive an often times aggressive and hateful fandom.
I reckon we should call it 'review boosting' and its definitely disney bots.
I am one of those fans in the middle who appreciate the good elements of Star Wars whether Lucas, Legends or Canon. I am also not blind to the problems facing the franchise. Your video is timely given the conflict between Wookieepedia and Star Wars Theory over changes to Canon resulting from the Acolyte.
I love star wars I have been watching star wars since it came out in 1977 I was 14 then I watch acolyte and I am enjoying the show and episode 3 I thought it was to comedic for me I was hoping for witches like on Dathomir but I still enjoy the show.
Come on. The actresses made a dis track of the star wars fans. I been a fan since 1980. And this actress is making song's about fans being bad people. Wtf. Why would you do that
stop being a snowflake
In that song she’s reiterating what she said 6 years ago about the movie “The Hate U Give”. Her interview back then was about hoping that the movie brings out empathy in people. It wasn’t a diss then and it isn’t one now! Where does she express in that song that SW fans are bad people?
don't bite the hand that feeds you
@@xxx_rotfd_xiii_xii3619 Just let their scissoring sisters kill the franchise.
Lol that had nothing to do with Star Wars 🤡
Acolyte is the greatest StarWars comedy of all time.
Star Wars fans are worse than Tool and Taylor Swift fans. Fans take this shit to seriously. I enjoy it simply because I have zero expectations going into anything I’m watching. I’ve been a Stars Wars fan since the early 80s. People need to touch grass. They’re just movies and TV shows.
Disney has nobody to blame but themselves. Life long fan since 77.
SW Meg swiftly condemned Gina Carano but pleads…”be good to each other”? 🙄🙄🙄
Yeah Meg is a hypocrite…
It’s upsetting to see tbh
What when did she do that? Gina Carano is great! She was one of my favourites in Mando, sucks she got fired over politics.
@@franeruyt Several times!!! SW Meg issued many condemnations. SW Meg even acted repulsed. She’s English 🏴, but in America we are allowed to expound our opinions. Just as Pedro Pascal and Amandla Stenberg have done. Pascal likens conservatives to German Fascists. Stenberg bashes ardent fans in song and calls them racist. Entirely consequence-free
@@rafaelmazas6593 Disappointing to hear that about her, I thought she was impartial.
I absolutely love the acolyte my best friend doesn’t but we still love each other and discuss Star Wars on the regular.
It feels like recently, people have forgotten to "agree to disagree," and even I do sometimes. This saying goes for both sides of the debate about the Acolyte. For those who like and defend the show, we have to stop and understand where those who don't like the show are coming from. Most of us understand that criticism and someone disliking a show is fine. But we also have to understand those nitpicky avid Star Wars fans, are still Star Wars fans and crave something that they believe is "quality content". They're just very frustrated rn, and we need to sympathize with that. For some of us, we've all been there. Whether it was from the Star Wars franchise or another franchise.
For those who hate and bash the Acolyte every chance they get, some of y'all need to respect those who do find enjoyment in the show and sympathize with them too. And when I say "sympathize," I don't mean you have to like the show too or be convinced by what they say. What I mean is, like you, they're just another Star Wars fan that likes Star Wars. At least sympathize with that, you're a fan, and they're a fan. Just because they like something you don't, doesn't make them any less or more of a Star Wars fan than you. Hell, you can like a niche Star Wars video game parody, like "Angry Birds Star Wars", and still be considered a Star Wars fan. Nothing should determine what a Star Wars fan is or not.
And for both sides, constantly trying to convince each other that the show is bad or good isn't going to get anyone anywhere. People have the autonomy to determine if something is good for them or not. Instead of "convincing," let's at least have geeky, civil, and respectful Star Wars discussions, debates, criticisms, and arguments. For the most part, we're all Star Wars fans, whether you've seen one movie or taken in all the Star Wars media under the sun. Instead of being divided, let's just have a Star Wars conversation, and learn how to agree to disagree, sympathize with one another and go on with life.
Spot on Meg! You hit the proverbial nail on the head. We can all disagree amicably. Negative opinion and commentary on show style, theme, choices, etc. is all fair play. There is no good reason for viewers to tear each other down. That is evil and demonstrates the diminished stature of the person doing the instigatory troll activity.