River Crossings (and Alcuin Numbers) - Numberphile

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  • @johnox2226
    @johnox2226 7 лет назад +862

    "An Anglo-Saxon really smart dude" That is the best description ever, 10/10

    • @yungml
      @yungml 7 лет назад +16

      Also not applicable very often

    • @paulc4629
      @paulc4629 7 лет назад +4

      That's racist

    • @stevethecatcouch6532
      @stevethecatcouch6532 7 лет назад +8

      Well, Alguin was at least smart enough to copy fro the Arab sources of the problem.

    • @johnox2226
      @johnox2226 7 лет назад

      Paul C Your name is racist

    • @yvesivo
      @yvesivo 7 лет назад +1

      *Anglo-Sachson

  • @Hello-fb7sp
    @Hello-fb7sp 7 лет назад +96

    I knew about this problem since childhood but had never thought of it in a mathematical way, this was really interesting!
    The Dr also explained it very well, I hope she appears more on this channel in the future.

  • @Dominikcos7
    @Dominikcos7 7 лет назад +1487

    that cabbage is a broccoli

    • @tohopes
      @tohopes 7 лет назад +31

      BROCCOLI... is SPY!!!

    • @edsiefker1301
      @edsiefker1301 7 лет назад +71

      Broccoli and cabbage are the same species.

    • @RubixB0y
      @RubixB0y 7 лет назад +25

      Ed Siefker, so? They're different strains so that doesn't make them interchangeable.

    • @timseguine2
      @timseguine2 7 лет назад +45

      They don't have to be interchangeable. The species itself is called cabbage. Broccoli is a cultivar of that species, ergo a type of cabbage.

    • @RubixB0y
      @RubixB0y 7 лет назад +7

      Tim Seguine I thought they all came from wild mustard way back when.

  • @Willzp360
    @Willzp360 7 лет назад +429

    Brady I think your cabbage may, uh, be a broccoli

    • @numberphile
      @numberphile  7 лет назад +158

      I know but there is no cabbage emoji! ;)

    • @ragnkja
      @ragnkja 7 лет назад +19

      Will Price
      It’s the same species, so does it really matter?

    • @Lauraphoid
      @Lauraphoid 7 лет назад +14

      Broccoli is a cabbage.

    • @imveryangryitsnotbutter
      @imveryangryitsnotbutter 7 лет назад +87

      It's a Parker Cabbage.

    • @OctagonalSquare
      @OctagonalSquare 7 лет назад +2

      I'm Very Angry It's Not Butter!! That's it! Somebody tell Matt!

  • @Borednesss
    @Borednesss 7 лет назад +223

    Dr. Annie Raymond seems pretty cool!

    • @moviesmaster2399
      @moviesmaster2399 7 лет назад +4

      where can i attempt to post a proof for this problem ?????????????????? please

    • @RWBHere
      @RWBHere 7 лет назад +5

      It's an NP problem.

    • @EaglePicking
      @EaglePicking 3 года назад +3

      @@moviesmaster2399 That is probably the nerdiest pick-up line I ever heard :D

  • @rostfleck79
    @rostfleck79 7 лет назад +406

    I can't believe you missed the opportunity to say "We're gonna need a bigger boat!".

  • @KungFuBlitzKrieg
    @KungFuBlitzKrieg 7 лет назад +758

    So the moral of the story is, "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer."

    • @bazoozoo1186
      @bazoozoo1186 7 лет назад +51

      ...And keep the friends of your enimies away from enimies of your friends.

    • @KungFuBlitzKrieg
      @KungFuBlitzKrieg 7 лет назад +1

      Haha! Yes indeed! :)

    • @dan_tr4pd00r
      @dan_tr4pd00r 7 лет назад +49

      I thought the moral was just get a big enough boat.

    • @RandomRageDude
      @RandomRageDude 7 лет назад +9

      keep your friends close and their enemies closer.

    • @osotanuki3359
      @osotanuki3359 7 лет назад

      KungFuBlitzKrieg mmm... not really

  • @GeekyNeil
    @GeekyNeil 7 лет назад +6

    10:00-10:10 Any vertex cover of this graph needs 4 vertices because there are 4 non-intersecting edges. Cat-Mouse, Goat-Carrot, Rabbit-Cabbage and Wolf-Goose. You need at least one vertex from each of those edges, so you need at least 4 vertices.

  • @diaz6874
    @diaz6874 7 лет назад +464

    But what if the farmer can eat the boat?

    • @reflex5729
      @reflex5729 7 лет назад +18

      El Díaz in this situations you’ve to take goat on the boat that goat will check him out

    • @LokiClock
      @LokiClock 7 лет назад +8

      Who boats the boaters at the boaters' exhibition?

    • @RWBHere
      @RWBHere 7 лет назад +1

      LokiClock, the person wearing the boater would do that.

    • @DouglasZwick
      @DouglasZwick 7 лет назад +6

      I knew it was a mistake to leave that farmer unsupervised

    • @limitingchaos
      @limitingchaos 6 лет назад +4

      Turns out the boat, and everything else, is a spherical cow.

  • @Faramik2000
    @Faramik2000 7 лет назад +320

    Broccoli can't swim? You haven't seen mine

  • @feliciabarker9210
    @feliciabarker9210 6 лет назад +13

    I'd really like a follow-up video that dug into how you DO check if a vertex cover is the minimum size

  • @hellocollegejason198
    @hellocollegejason198 7 лет назад +102

    Goats can be lawnmowers, not a quote I was expecting on this channel.

    • @Gold161803
      @Gold161803 7 лет назад +3

      hellocollegejason198 At least not from anyone other than Cliff.

    • @ccgarciab
      @ccgarciab 7 лет назад +1

      You can actually hire a pack of goats (how are those called?) to mow your grass. I read somewhere that thats what google does in their googleplex.

  • @AnastasisGrammenos
    @AnastasisGrammenos 7 лет назад +3

    A cool application of this is in chemical storage units. There you have chemicals that shouldn't be close with some (conflict) and chemicals that are ok to be side by side (not conflict). So you need to get a storage unit with the min_vertex_ cover + 1 different rooms

  • @brenthooton3412
    @brenthooton3412 3 года назад +11

    14:15 the interesting question is the balance between efficiency (do it in as few crossings as possible) vs capacity (get away with the smallest boat as possible).
    7 crossings for 5 animals seems really inefficient. But maybe the cost of a bigger boat outweighs the cost of the extra crossings.
    Or maybe the river is really wide and the cost of the extra crossings makes the bigger boat worth it.

    • @housellama
      @housellama 3 года назад +2

      Found the engineer!

    • @kennethgee2004
      @kennethgee2004 2 года назад +3

      @@housellama well probably, but optimization issue are also in mathematics with the equilibrium theory discovered by Nash. The optimization issue has also been extended into law and other areas, so it is an important concept.

  • @RalphDratman
    @RalphDratman 7 лет назад +18

    Excellent. Annie Raymond is a fantastic explainer and teacher!

  • @sparkcrushervcm
    @sparkcrushervcm 7 лет назад +333

    From the thumbnail I thought we were summoning a really cute demon.

    • @Sionweit
      @Sionweit 7 лет назад +7

      hahaha

    • @ObjectsInMotion
      @ObjectsInMotion 7 лет назад +15

      I mean the venn diagram of satanists and graph theorists IS a circle...

    • @miteshgurav6069
      @miteshgurav6069 7 лет назад +4

      Anthony Khodanian The math is strong with this one!!

    • @Ghostofchristmasfuture
      @Ghostofchristmasfuture 7 лет назад +2

      You can try to summon a demon with any shape you want it will Probably have the same result.

    • @omikronweapon
      @omikronweapon 6 лет назад +1

      I'd try a penciltangle, to summon a cute nerdy demon.

  • @jwrm22
    @jwrm22 7 лет назад +66

    In the meantime, the wolf ate the cabbage as he was very hungry.

    • @gorillaau
      @gorillaau 7 лет назад +2

      jwrm22 The wolf relieved itself on the cabbage.... and smirked "Enjoy your dinner now"

  • @jessesantana8408
    @jessesantana8408 7 лет назад +3

    I was entranced by Dr. Raymond I could listen to her teach for years.

    • @dm551
      @dm551 7 лет назад +1

      ruclips.net/video/m-tyhEX_LaE/видео.html

    • @jessesantana8408
      @jessesantana8408 7 лет назад

      dm551 thank you wonderful stranger! Hope you have a nice day :)

  • @Frosty-oj6hw
    @Frosty-oj6hw 7 лет назад +223

    This channel is like a never ending fountain of attractive, nerdy, maths goddesses.

    • @camilohiche4475
      @camilohiche4475 6 лет назад +7

      Instant platonic crush right from the thumbnail.

    • @omikronweapon
      @omikronweapon 6 лет назад +6

      How can you have a crush on someone simply by looks, implying attraction, and it being *platonic*?. It's almost the exact opposite of platonic.
      Your statement is indeed false. Now I'm wondering if you actually ONLY comment falsehoods.

    • @camilohiche4475
      @camilohiche4475 6 лет назад +10

      @@omikronweapon Thank you for making me check this comment so I come back to this video and admire this beautiful professor once again.

    • @TymexComputing
      @TymexComputing 5 лет назад +1

      You omitted the pentagram, the goat and the blood :)

    • @Triantalex
      @Triantalex Год назад

      false.

  • @MrTheNaboo
    @MrTheNaboo 7 лет назад +65

    Graph theory seems to pop up everywhere.

    • @anselmschueler
      @anselmschueler 7 лет назад

      Maximilian Wollner it does

    • @kailomonkey
      @kailomonkey 7 лет назад +2

      Because graph theory says this problem can get too complicated let's just draw it as a network, try our best then declare it too complicated.

    • @mensaswede4028
      @mensaswede4028 4 года назад +3

      Yeah, graphs are succinct representation of “things” (vertices) and “relationships between things” (edges). And a lot of problems deal with things and the relationships between those things.

  • @alvkarthik2018
    @alvkarthik2018 4 года назад

    i have heard this problem a hundred times but never thought that people are actually serious about these kind of problems. and that;s why i love numberphile .

  • @pants1337
    @pants1337 7 лет назад +93

    Runescape's 'Recruitment Drive' quest.

    • @ab12345cdf
      @ab12345cdf 7 лет назад

      always think about this when i see this proble lol

    • @Devan...
      @Devan... 7 лет назад

      first think i thought of. lol

    • @andyrhodes1554
      @andyrhodes1554 7 лет назад

      I wish I had seen this video years ago when I did this quest...

    • @arejm7304
      @arejm7304 7 лет назад

      hahahhah awesome

  • @bidaubadeadieu
    @bidaubadeadieu 7 лет назад +1

    Really nice video, one of my favorites from recent Numberphile. I love the introduction of a simple problem followed by the general case, much like the Josephus video.

  • @ROL4NDpkmnguide
    @ROL4NDpkmnguide 7 лет назад +162

    I like her accent

    • @paint4pain
      @paint4pain 7 лет назад +29

      French Canadian, probably from greater Montreal area.

    • @monkey7431_
      @monkey7431_ 7 лет назад +27

      Sounds Dutch to me mate

    • @joewhitmore6776
      @joewhitmore6776 7 лет назад +3

      I was just wondering what kind of accent is that

    • @timhoheisel8939
      @timhoheisel8939 5 лет назад +1

      French-Canadian, in fact, Montreal.

  • @EdithKFrost
    @EdithKFrost Год назад +1

    Cats are so badass that even the wolf is too afraid to eat them.

  • @mikewilliams6025
    @mikewilliams6025 7 лет назад +360

    Wolf would definitely eat the cat. You've broken math, Brady. Stop that.

    • @StezzerLolz
      @StezzerLolz 7 лет назад +166

      The cat would eat the rabbit, too. And the goose would just destroy everything in a psychotic rampage, because geese are bastards.

    • @gabehennessy-oreilly1177
      @gabehennessy-oreilly1177 7 лет назад +16

      Nice callback

    • @Siggvard
      @Siggvard 7 лет назад +10

      The cat could climb up a tree.

    • @Siggvard
      @Siggvard 7 лет назад +5

      The cat could climb up a tree.

    • @HappyBeezerStudios
      @HappyBeezerStudios 7 лет назад +4

      The cat would climb up the boat.

  • @johnbouttell5827
    @johnbouttell5827 7 лет назад +404

    After spending so much time in the boat, the wolf will soon become domesticated. He may end up rowing the boat. Wolf Boat Tours R' Us.

    • @rockinRrr
      @rockinRrr 7 лет назад +3

      the wolf is the boat.

    • @BeeryGamer
      @BeeryGamer 7 лет назад +4

      Then we won't need the rower/owner of all those vegetables and animals no more, so the number of seats of the boat required will always be the lowest vertex number! Give me those millions now thank you very much!

    • @RWBHere
      @RWBHere 7 лет назад +6

      If the farmer rowed badly enough, and the river was rough, then the wolf would soon become too travel sick to eat anything.

    • @jans1982
      @jans1982 7 лет назад +3

      Or maybe ff you do every trip with your wolf, then you'll be friends with the wolf and then leave him with his food on purpose

    • @elimalinsky7069
      @elimalinsky7069 7 лет назад

      John Bicycle So that's how the wolf became a dog?
      Being ferried from one bank of the river to the other :D

  • @MateusSFigueiredo
    @MateusSFigueiredo 7 лет назад +22

    She's great! Do more videos with her

  • @hossamel2006
    @hossamel2006 2 года назад +2

    Somehow this is an amazing video...probably the best one I've ever watched 😃

  • @Dominikcos7
    @Dominikcos7 7 лет назад +113

    *insert the cabbage scene from avatar here*

  • @franktoffel
    @franktoffel 7 лет назад +1

    Excellent explanation! I really like the way it drives you to the limitation of the initial thought. More of these!!

  • @shahbazsheikh3545
    @shahbazsheikh3545 7 лет назад +8

    "Blood everywhere or shreds of cabbage".... hahahaha!
    Great video.

    • @rohansastry
      @rohansastry 7 лет назад +1

      Shahbaz Sheikh Sheds of broccoli everywhere

  • @vimalk78
    @vimalk78 4 года назад +1

    This is perhaps my favorite numberphile video.

  • @LaGuerre19
    @LaGuerre19 7 лет назад +30

    My broccoli brings all the goats to the yard

    • @acbonbe7059
      @acbonbe7059 5 лет назад

      LaGuerre19 no that’s a carrot

  • @sachamm
    @sachamm 7 лет назад +1

    Great stuff, I love how your subjects are so enthusiastic.
    We definitely need more on complexity theory!

  • @beeeesac
    @beeeesac 7 лет назад +20

    Always loved problems like these!

    • @neelparmar6690
      @neelparmar6690 7 лет назад +1

      Many years of playing Professor Layton have prepared me for unexpected river crossings...I'm sure it will happen one of these days...

  • @flinkwieeinwiesel5657
    @flinkwieeinwiesel5657 2 года назад

    Wow, what an inspiring and cheerful way to present the problem. More please!

  • @rohansastry
    @rohansastry 7 лет назад +264

    But... goats eat everything!
    So... wouldn’t the goat also eat the boat?

    • @lukasschmidt2478
      @lukasschmidt2478 7 лет назад +20

      For the puzzle to work though, none of the animals must do anything when the farmer is watching.

    • @josephoduor2358
      @josephoduor2358 7 лет назад +14

      Says the one who has a wolf as a pet

    • @pleasedontwatchthese9593
      @pleasedontwatchthese9593 7 лет назад +5

      The 🐐 ate the 🚜.

    • @pmcpartlan
      @pmcpartlan 7 лет назад +3

      Rohan Sastry If a goat ate a boat, would it float?

    • @Nemelis0
      @Nemelis0 7 лет назад +1

      @Pete McPartlan: Only in a moat

  • @sweatygenius
    @sweatygenius 7 лет назад +1

    I loved this

  • @ninogaggi
    @ninogaggi 7 лет назад +45

    Why would a farmer have a wolf?

    • @wierdalien1
      @wierdalien1 7 лет назад +7

      Alan Murray 4000bc farmer

    • @numberphile
      @numberphile  7 лет назад +17

      ruclips.net/video/DDzTyOJSe-Y/видео.html

    • @ritikchawla8298
      @ritikchawla8298 7 лет назад

      lol

    • @ninogaggi
      @ninogaggi 7 лет назад +3

      Numberphile yes that was my inspiration

    • @revjmyoung
      @revjmyoung 7 лет назад +1

      Thank you for this -- I had the same thought from Gareth! ;-)

  • @iamalexkempton
    @iamalexkempton 7 лет назад +1

    This is some classic numberphile right here!

  • @jukka-pekkatuominen4540
    @jukka-pekkatuominen4540 7 лет назад +69

    The Wolf would definitely eat the Cat.

    • @SuperSMT
      @SuperSMT 7 лет назад +22

      And the cat would eat the rabbit... My cat has

    • @MateusSFigueiredo
      @MateusSFigueiredo 7 лет назад +3

      it would have to get the cat first

    • @jukka-pekkatuominen4540
      @jukka-pekkatuominen4540 7 лет назад +3

      If the Cat runs away you'll end up losing them both. So in case of riddle it wouldn't work either.

    • @cyberneticube
      @cyberneticube 7 лет назад +2

      And the goose would definitely eat the carrot and the cabbage, but what does it really matter, it's just en example :)

    • @seraphimwiththecheese5880
      @seraphimwiththecheese5880 4 года назад +2

      Cats eat grass. I've seen mine do it.

  • @mihaitmf
    @mihaitmf 6 лет назад +1

    Really cool stuff behind an apparently easy problem. Plus, I love how mathematicians write so neatly on thoes big paper sheets.

  • @olliestone5549
    @olliestone5549 7 лет назад +281

    They should invite Big Shaq here... His math skills are mind boggling.

    • @OEpistimon
      @OEpistimon 7 лет назад +43

      The mathematicians working with numberphile wouldn't be able to comprehend his quick mafs...

    • @philipsneck3571
      @philipsneck3571 7 лет назад +9

      Agreed, his mafs are just too dang quick

    • @neelparmar6690
      @neelparmar6690 7 лет назад +6

      Mathememagics ting

    • @cosmicjenny4508
      @cosmicjenny4508 7 лет назад

      +Purposely Mistaken Nah, man was decent at maffs. Man got...
      D...

    • @alandouglas2789
      @alandouglas2789 7 лет назад +2

      Purposely Mistaken lol, seriously?

  • @ajtheown
    @ajtheown 7 лет назад +1

    As a Tim, I appreciate your use of emojis from a variety of platforms :)

  • @CharlesTheClumsy
    @CharlesTheClumsy 7 лет назад +251

    I don't know any other channel that puts their name in the title of every video.

    • @azbyn692
      @azbyn692 7 лет назад +82

      Computerphile also does it

    • @frozenglobe
      @frozenglobe 7 лет назад +61

      and Sixty Symbols

    • @JohnDCrafton
      @JohnDCrafton 7 лет назад +60

      It's for search engine optimization (SEO).

    • @subinmdr
      @subinmdr 7 лет назад +84

      Smarter Every Day and almost every singer and band channels

    • @cyrillamat4888
      @cyrillamat4888 7 лет назад +4

      I do

  • @macacoman
    @macacoman 7 лет назад +1

    One of my favorite videos! Great job you guys.

  • @dragoncurveenthusiast
    @dragoncurveenthusiast 7 лет назад +111

    As a kid I always wondered how the farmer keeps the wolf from eating the goat and the goat from eating the cabbage if he IS there with them.
    I never got an answer.

  • @michaelzumpano7318
    @michaelzumpano7318 7 лет назад

    I have seen the first problem before but never the generalization to a vertex cover plus one. Nicely done Dr Raymond. I’d like to see more videos on the application of graph theory. Any relationship to Hamiltonian path, partition or Ramsey theory would be fun too.

  • @ndavid42
    @ndavid42 7 лет назад +6

    "the rabbit and the goat together are fine. there won't be *too much* violence there" TOO MUCH??!

  • @Mrqwerty2109
    @Mrqwerty2109 2 года назад +2

    Learned about this problem from Professor Layton

  • @AgentM124
    @AgentM124 7 лет назад +132

    P=NP?
    N=1 then.
    QED

    • @meh6422
      @meh6422 7 лет назад +32

      Wow ya so smart, very intellectual much IQ

    • @AgentM124
      @AgentM124 7 лет назад +33

      Horus yas yas. I used to watch Rick and Morty! 🙃

    • @scottgoodson8295
      @scottgoodson8295 7 лет назад +30

      Agent M Or P=0

    • @astamite-
      @astamite- 7 лет назад +14

      This is almost 100% correct. The only thing missing is that you forgot to prove P=NP.

    • @AgentM124
      @AgentM124 7 лет назад +9

      Astamite true, also wasn't P the variable, so setting it to 0 would mean N could be anything. But meh, I won't ever become a farmer so I don't bother.

  • @mraBJJ33
    @mraBJJ33 7 лет назад +2

    I'm not smart enough to know the practical application of this but it was still really cool to learn about it in a way that was easy for me to follow along.

  • @delve_
    @delve_ 7 лет назад +110

    Roses are red
    Violets are fine
    You see this here hyphen ~
    It's a Parker Line

    • @kye4840
      @kye4840 7 лет назад +3

      ~~~~~Tilde not hyphen~~~~~

    • @delve_
      @delve_ 7 лет назад +7

      +Ky E
      [thatstheidea]

    • @thexavier666
      @thexavier666 6 лет назад +7

      That's a Parker Square of a poem

    • @Triantalex
      @Triantalex Год назад

      false.

  • @mikeybud3501
    @mikeybud3501 7 лет назад +1

    Very interesting mathematical take on this ancient riddle. Love it as always! 😛

  • @UygurPalestino
    @UygurPalestino 7 лет назад +82

    But...Why she has a Wolf in the first place?

    • @Derpster2493
      @Derpster2493 7 лет назад

      Mittens.

    • @Gumshoesamurai
      @Gumshoesamurai 7 лет назад +1

      Protection from other wolves. Camouflage?
      An "apex predator" makes your party a danger to aggress (attack).

    • @jakubpekarek6400
      @jakubpekarek6400 7 лет назад +4

      So the wolf doesn't attack goats the farmer has at home. Remember? You need to take the troublemaker with you everywhere, every time. Duh.

    • @LinkEX
      @LinkEX 7 лет назад +3

      I guess that's one reason why mathematicians are sometimes perceived as aloof, living in surreal imaginary world; and why exploring math is actually far more creative and far from dry and formulaic, as some would argue.

    • @OriginalPiMan
      @OriginalPiMan 7 лет назад

      Guard dog.

  • @anteconfig5391
    @anteconfig5391 7 лет назад +1

    You just gave me an easy problem to see if p = np
    thanks. Now I know which puzzle to do when I get bored.

  • @theendofit
    @theendofit 7 лет назад +56

    Pffft....sence when can cabages not swim.

    • @SolitaryCZ
      @SolitaryCZ 7 лет назад +16

      theendofit It's common knowledge. No vegetable can swim... the wheelchair is too heavy.

    • @Superphilipp
      @Superphilipp 7 лет назад

      SolitaryCZ, I lol'ed

    • @SUPAAH_
      @SUPAAH_ 7 лет назад +1

      how heavy is the cabbage that you cannot hold it?

    • @stapler942
      @stapler942 4 года назад

      A cabbage would sink in water, otherwise it would be a witch.

  • @jcortese3300
    @jcortese3300 7 лет назад +1

    I had to laugh at the conclusion to keep the wolf with you at all times, because it occurred to me that any kindergarten teacher who has to herd around kids during a field trip, one of whom is a troublemaker, has already figured this out: you have to keep the troublemaker kid right next to you all day.

  • @JohnDCrafton
    @JohnDCrafton 7 лет назад +38

    A wolf will definitely eat a cat, if it can catch the cat.

    • @JohnDCrafton
      @JohnDCrafton 7 лет назад +1

      So? I have personally seen a mild-mannered dog rip a cat to shreds (the dog just wanted to play, but unfortunately for the cat, he played too rough). Wolves are decidedly less mild-mannered than dogs.

    • @hart-of-gold
      @hart-of-gold 7 лет назад

      When I was a kid our cat (a small tom cat) beat a large rottweiler by climbing on to the back of its neck and clawing the eyes and chewing its ears.

    • @JohnDCrafton
      @JohnDCrafton 7 лет назад +1

      We can exchange anecdotes until we die, doesn't change the fact that a wolf will at least try to eat a cat, and will have varying levels of success depending on the intelligence and fitness of the cat. But if the cat gets away it's most likely gone up a tree, and then the farmer has a different problem on his hands.

    • @PuzzleQodec
      @PuzzleQodec 7 лет назад

      At least the wolf and cat will be sufficiently distracted from eating anything else, so the farmer can bring the rest of his stuff to the other side of the river, and his boat can be smaller.

  • @danielyuan9862
    @danielyuan9862 7 лет назад

    10:16; 4 is the minimum vertex cover because there are 4 points with 4 edges connected to another vertex. If there are 3 vertices covered, then one will not be covered. It is connected to 4 other vertices and a maximum of 3 are covered so one will not be covered, so there will always be a line connecting to it, and it is not a vertex cover.

    • @danielyuan9862
      @danielyuan9862 7 лет назад

      In general, the minimum vertex cover cannot be less than n if there are n points each connecting to n other points (can be with each other).

  • @swaiii
    @swaiii 7 лет назад +52

    This is some anti wolf propaganda. From my point of view the cabbage is the evil one

    • @pavphone2616
      @pavphone2616 7 лет назад +10

      Well then you are lost!

    • @omikronweapon
      @omikronweapon 4 года назад +1

      how about that sadistic farmer that keeps messing with everybody.

    • @purplewine7362
      @purplewine7362 3 года назад +3

      only a wolf deals in absolutes

  • @adriansarbu2001
    @adriansarbu2001 7 лет назад +1

    I think that if the vertex cover is equal or bigger than the remaining vertices (after removing the vertex cover) divided by two then you will need a boat with the minimum places else you will need a boat with minimum places plus one (sorry for bad english)

  • @SmileyMPV
    @SmileyMPV 7 лет назад +9

    But finding the minimum vertex cover was NP hard already :p

  • @ChrisWalshZX
    @ChrisWalshZX 7 лет назад

    9 things to take across. There are 2^9 = 512 potential vertex covers (brute force) to check. There will be plenty of ways to eliminate this combos though. As we're looking for the minimum vertex cover, we can start with 9 x 1 VC, then 2 VC, then 3VC etc.

  • @menturinai1387
    @menturinai1387 7 лет назад +3

    What is the smallest number of trips required?

  • @ivarkrabol
    @ivarkrabol 7 лет назад

    Thought of a quick method to check that a vertex cover is minimal in some cases: the vertex cover must be minimal if you can find a matching which matches all its vertices, i.e. a set of edges which do not share any vertices and which "touches" each of the vertex cover's vertices.
    This because 1) the minimum vertex cover (mvc) of a graph must necessarily be at least as big as the mvc of any subgraph; 2) the size of the mvc of a graph formed from the edges of a matching and their vertices would necessarily be equal to the number of edges in the matching.
    Might be useless and/or obvious, but I though it worth mentioning, since "it's actually not such an easy thing to check."

  • @yero
    @yero 7 лет назад +14

    I think I fell in love ❤ also I think that the wolf would eat the cat if it was really hungry

    • @jiggely_spears
      @jiggely_spears 7 лет назад +2

      A wolf is basically a dog - it would eat ALL the things...

  • @mensaswede4028
    @mensaswede4028 4 года назад +1

    I love how there is always a line in these videos where the guest says “I’ll need another piece of paper...”

  • @althaz
    @althaz 7 лет назад +18

    Well I *was* going to go to bed, Brady, but I guess I'll watch this first instead :).

  • @CesarDainezi
    @CesarDainezi 7 лет назад +2

    "If you were able come up with a polynomial time algorithm to determine it for any graph what it is, then you would prove that P = NP." That plot twist!

    • @beeble2003
      @beeble2003 4 года назад

      Not much of a plot twist, really. It's extremely common for problems in graph theory to be NP-hard. Once you've seen a hundred of them, the only reason this one is interesting is because the problem is "Is the answer x or x+1?" Another similar one is that, but the four-colour theorem, every planar graph can be coloured with four colours, but it turns out to be NP-complete to determine whether a planar graph is 3-colourable.

  • @isaacbankart
    @isaacbankart 7 лет назад +5

    0:45 i'm glad the cabbage can't swim that would be really worrying

  • @salehinkibria8377
    @salehinkibria8377 6 лет назад

    the distinction between minimum vertex cover and minimum vertex cover + 1 cases seems simple enough. We must simply determine if any part of the minimum vertex cover is connected to more than one vertex outside the minimum cover. if so, it is a minimum vertex cover + 1 case, else minimum vertex cover case.

  • @将軍九八.彁
    @将軍九八.彁 7 лет назад +24

    wolf can't eat the cat, lol

    • @piotrarturklos
      @piotrarturklos 7 лет назад

      The cat would be way too annoying as prey, scratching the eyes and running between the legs.

    • @soberhippie
      @soberhippie 7 лет назад +2

      Given half a chance, a cat might eat the wolf.

    • @RWBHere
      @RWBHere 7 лет назад

      Or run up a tree.

  • @loneboatmapping4298
    @loneboatmapping4298 7 лет назад

    It's actually easy to prove, because the network that would form in any of the 2 sides is a simplified version of the bigger net (With fewer conections) so it will require the same, if not less, cover

  • @bongjoobrianlee
    @bongjoobrianlee 7 лет назад +15

    Cabbage looks like a Broccoli

    • @ragnkja
      @ragnkja 7 лет назад +5

      Bong Joo Brian Lee
      Whatever, it’s the same species.

  • @johnredberg
    @johnredberg 7 лет назад +2

    In all fairness: Given the classical result that the minimum vertex cover problem is NP-hard, it is not surprising that the "do I need an extra seat" problem is at least NP-hard as well.

  • @riccardopratesi7943
    @riccardopratesi7943 7 лет назад +4

    What about the case of one character being at risk of suicide, and it cannot be left alone? or it can be left only with some of the others? I mean, if in the graph there are also lines linking oneself, but only in absence of some other vertex?

  • @JesseGilbride
    @JesseGilbride 7 лет назад

    More Dr. Annie Raymond videos, please.

  • @Luxalpa
    @Luxalpa 7 лет назад +4

    The cat would definitely eat the rabbit and it would probably try the goose too.

  • @atom1496
    @atom1496 7 лет назад

    Very cool, Annie!

  • @ethanpfeiffer7403
    @ethanpfeiffer7403 7 лет назад +17

    I prefer the Professor Layton river crossings.

    • @neelparmar6690
      @neelparmar6690 7 лет назад +2

      One of these days solving all of those Layton puzzles will come in handy in real life...one day soon I'm sure...

  • @moorentje
    @moorentje 7 лет назад

    At the end you see a penguin and a bee emoji fade in. A cheeky nod for us Tims :)

  • @danieltaber4924
    @danieltaber4924 7 лет назад +8

    That's not a cabbage. That's a Broccoli.

    • @Aoltooliol
      @Aoltooliol 7 лет назад +2

      Daniel Taber same species

    • @RWBHere
      @RWBHere 7 лет назад

      One word for that: Brassica!

    • @TigruArdavi
      @TigruArdavi 3 года назад

      @@RWBHere Wrong, two words for this: _Brassica oleracea_

  • @JB-kn2zh
    @JB-kn2zh 3 года назад

    Obviously we have a much more sophisticated knowledge of this problem now than when Alcuin wrote it down, but I'm still impressed by the puzzles and ideas medieval thinkers came up with.

  • @CaptainHandsome
    @CaptainHandsome 7 лет назад +5

    Why does the Farmer have a wolf?

  • @doodelay
    @doodelay 7 лет назад

    I'm convinced that math problems are more fun then physics problems because they can be as playful as the one who imagined them but the generalizations are so profound

  • @xenialafleur
    @xenialafleur 7 лет назад +4

    The cabbage looks suspiciously like broccoli.

    • @RWBHere
      @RWBHere 7 лет назад

      Shhh! It's in disguise!

  • @mothman.industries
    @mothman.industries 7 лет назад

    Geese having Teeths is the most terrifying thing I'll ever learn from this channel, tbh.

  • @pizzamannetje79
    @pizzamannetje79 7 лет назад +3

    What does "NP hard" mean?

    • @IDoNotLikeHandlesOnYT
      @IDoNotLikeHandlesOnYT 7 лет назад

      (I could easily be wrong, but here it is as I understand it.) In basic terms, as it applies here, there's no way to solve the problem analytically; you have to use trial and error. More advanced explanation: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P_versus_NP_problem

    • @antanis
      @antanis 7 лет назад

      Look up p vs np and the computational zoo by hackerdashery.

  • @sonofabenchful
    @sonofabenchful 7 лет назад

    Your channel is awesome! Please do a series on digital currency and what sort of mathematics are behind it!!!

  • @acorn1014
    @acorn1014 7 лет назад +35

    This video is not on the most recently found large prime number. Disgusting!

    • @ashley2khoo510
      @ashley2khoo510 7 лет назад +7

      A Corn i dont see anything interesting to say since it is a mersenne prime except acknoledging it. They have a video on some older largest mersenne prime. So really no point making a video IMHO.

    • @numberphile
      @numberphile  7 лет назад +27

      We've done quite a few "new largest prime" videos over the years... :)
      Watch them and just imagine we're using the new number!

    • @scottgoodson8295
      @scottgoodson8295 7 лет назад +13

      Numberphile A video by induction, so to speak

    • @ColdFishMus
      @ColdFishMus 7 лет назад

      DISGUSTANG!

    • @ragnkja
      @ragnkja 7 лет назад

      Ashley2 Khoo
      Yeah, the videos about the 49th known Mersenne prime cover just about everything, so there’s no reason to make one for every future Mersenne prime.

  • @enemdisk6628
    @enemdisk6628 7 лет назад

    That was super interesting! Thanks for the video!

  • @saras8166
    @saras8166 7 лет назад +9

    I've not seen a single comment about the problem itself yet.

    • @yvesivo
      @yvesivo 7 лет назад

      Sara S Me neither. I hoped for some comments on the P NP topic

    • @andrewl5267
      @andrewl5267 7 лет назад

      Then you haven't seen mine yet ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

  • @blazebluebass
    @blazebluebass 7 лет назад +1

    In what universe does a farmer keep a wolf?!
    Cool video! Always interesting to see these problems being projected by geometry so solve them.

    • @housellama
      @housellama 3 года назад

      Most farmers keep Canis lupus familiaris. Only the sub-species differ.

  • @laptop006
    @laptop006 7 лет назад +11

    Rabbit's can't cut through steel beams

    • @ragnkja
      @ragnkja 7 лет назад +3

      LapTop006
      [citation needed]

    • @stevethecatcouch6532
      @stevethecatcouch6532 7 лет назад

      A farmer is trying to cross a river with a wolf, a rabbit, and a steel beam ...

    • @jiggely_spears
      @jiggely_spears 7 лет назад

      Neither can burning aviation fuel....

  • @anonymoususer2756
    @anonymoususer2756 3 года назад

    1:54 In this situation though the rabbit and the goat are the same. And, the more you think about it, the cabbage and the wolf are the same too (since neither get along with the goat/rabbit). It would be much easier to think about this problem as two wolves and two goats rather than overcomplicating it by having a wolf, a goat, a cabbage and a rabbit.

  • @rollstuhlmeister
    @rollstuhlmeister 7 лет назад +33

    What if the wolf eats the farmer???

  • @kanabos
    @kanabos 7 лет назад

    I did my tesis about something similar of this. I worked for algoritms to find independent sets. If I am not wrong if you find the maximum independent set, the remaining vertex should be the minimum vertex cover... sound logic =P.
    I would like more videos about graph theory. Regards!!! =D

  • @shrimatkapoor2200
    @shrimatkapoor2200 7 лет назад +4

    The cabbage looks like brocolli