Actually now that I've seen Madzin play Cyber Sub and seen that he's fucking insane, have him do that. OmegaK can play Leatherface since he's great as him.
nice video really great! keep up the great work! there's something else i want to say .. KETCHUP AND MUSTARD you are the BEST EVER! commentators on ESL tournaments! mainly because u really go thru what's happening what's the players are doing or trying to do, very fast! and on point! making the match much much more enjoyable to the viewers. you two are really talented!.. waaay better than the other ones. and i am really looking forward to upcoming tournaments featuring you two as commentators :)
Nice video!!. Smoke seems the least used by the community out of the four variations. Im just now finding my play style and i think i am gearing more towards vortex characters. Smoke has really good potential! I know ketchup used quanchi ,another vortex character, so i would like for ketchup to try smoke out. I would love to see you do some smoke gameplay. This video really helped out alot. Thanks!!!!!
+Nightfall It isn't more plus. The major thing about it is the mindgames and the smoke effects being confusing and the fact that it's practically free meter building.
Does smoke's invisibility have a rider? Like a damage boost (like MK9 reptile), reduced damage when hit out of it (MKX Reptile, I think?) or reduced chip damage while blocking (Predator)?
GMF_ 469 because there were alot of people underestimating smoke saying that he was the weakest out of all the cyborg ninjas when there are several videos on RUclips now that can prove otherwise even though I already knew he can be deadly when I was using him during the week of release.
what I found with smokes overhead into smoke bomb is if you hit the opponent ducking, blocking or not, the smoke bomb connects. if you hit the overhead standing, regular smoke bomb does not connect. its very weird
dont know if they fixed with the last hotfix, but the second hit of b21 used to whiff on crouch block so its not so good imo. f21 has a shorter range but is way more consistent.
pnd can you guys do an updated BBC ombo video after the tragic nerv of triborg which sho6ldve inlcuded the nerf to "survival is improbable" to "survival is probable"
Hey guys. I main smoke and I'm getting combos and such down, but the one thing I have problems with are wake ups. I try to smoke phase through them but they catch me. Any tips?
+Nikko Mendoza you have to do the move as you getting up form the knockdown. that will make it a wake up. just remember not all wake ups are garentied, some like smokes wake ups are not good. form one smoke to the next on wake up use the smoke away move
Only EX version is safe to wake up with. You can try using normal smoke through but only if your opponent isnt putting pressure (meaning not doing combo inputs or any type of attack while youre still on the floor, if that makes sense)
That's not sound logic, sir. It has its use, it's just better suited when you're closer, bearing in mind that it won't pull them to you. A lot of scrubby players wouldn't like it because it's obviously a little harder to work with than the regular, but that's lazy lol
Raider plays so differently, he's actually a threat up close and has armoured attacks. Smoke not as much, so he gets more mobility and zoning.... And a vortex xD
Hey K&P, would you guys be interested in a MKX Collab with Me, TheRONDARIUS and MKX RUclipsrs? We've done this in the past and it was very successful, let us know it would be awesome to have you guys
+PNDK&M We have a tournament were we all compete against each other in fun competitive matches, and afterwords do some koth where we cross network between our channels. It's pretty fun and a lot of us have been doing collabs with each other since then. Me and TheRondarius would love to tell you more about the details, can you follow us on twitter so we can direct message you more about it? Twitter: BlueDeepDive, TheRONDARIUS
Haha this is sad,smoke players are gonna start getting eatin alive,vortex and pure gimicks,ppl are gonna make sure to 35 to 40 % his ass and read your wake ups soon,r.i.p. smoke
Learned something new with throwing the smoke bomb close if opponents like to run in during the neutral...great video as always K&M!
King of the hill? Ketchup (Sektor), Mustard (Cyrax), Omega (Cyber Sub), and Glue (Smoke)? Triborg vs Triborg all the way around?
+GMF_ 469 I like this idea!
Mustard win!
I like that alot
Actually now that I've seen Madzin play Cyber Sub and seen that he's fucking insane, have him do that. OmegaK can play Leatherface since he's great as him.
nice video really great! keep up the great work!
there's something else i want to say .. KETCHUP AND MUSTARD you are the BEST EVER! commentators on ESL tournaments!
mainly because u really go thru what's happening what's the players are doing or trying to do, very fast! and on point! making the match much much more enjoyable to the viewers. you two are really talented!.. waaay better than the other ones. and i am really looking forward to upcoming tournaments featuring you two as commentators :)
+Ag4m3r
Man Im so glad they added smoke, he has always been my favorite character
i main Smoke and this helped me figure out a couple little things i didnt know. Nice Vid :)
Great video guys. I didn't know that the close smoke bombs tracked.
me neither
More future collaborations... if so, does this mean you guys may consider doing a Cross Counter version for this game? That would be awesome.
Nice video!!. Smoke seems the least used by the community out of the four variations. Im just now finding my play style and i think i am gearing more towards vortex characters. Smoke has really good potential! I know ketchup used quanchi ,another vortex character, so i would like for ketchup to try smoke out. I would love to see you do some smoke gameplay. This video really helped out alot. Thanks!!!!!
What's the difference between ending the combo into just a standing 3 rather than standing 3 into fade towards? Is it more plus or something?
+Nightfall Smoke towards is better used against female characters because their hitbox is small and smoke's back 3 won't connect after the forward 2,1
+Nightfall It isn't more plus. The major thing about it is the mindgames and the smoke effects being confusing and the fact that it's practically free meter building.
thanks m&k and glue. needed some help with my wannabe fav variation.
What are the inputs for Smoke's smoke bomb? I saw the inputs for close and behind, they looked similar. Can you clarify?
Jorge Medina hold towards after the input to throw it far and hold back after the input to throw it close
That foward 2 1 combo also covers him so he can go invisible without the opponent seeing it
Does smoke's invisibility have a rider?
Like a damage boost (like MK9 reptile), reduced damage when hit out of it (MKX Reptile, I think?) or reduced chip damage while blocking (Predator)?
See smoke can be dangerous in the right hands.
that goes for any character
Discriminated Potato obviously dude.
Then why did you say that
GMF_ 469 because there were alot of people underestimating smoke saying that he was the weakest out of all the cyborg ninjas when there are several videos on RUclips now that can prove otherwise even though I already knew he can be deadly when I was using him during the week of release.
+PNDK&M you guys forgot to say that if you end the combo in 213, Smoke is +22 and can combo with b1 into smokebomb
no hes not
+Noe Rios Yes, after a 213 on hit, the B1 on an opponents get up becomes meaty and will combo a smoke bomb.
UsedForGlue lies
+Noe Rios Shut up, idiot. Did you look to see to whom you were replying?
Grant Larson usedforglue. Top 15 bottom more bottom of the 15 his like 14
what I found with smokes overhead into smoke bomb is if you hit the opponent ducking, blocking or not, the smoke bomb connects. if you hit the overhead standing, regular smoke bomb does not connect. its very weird
***** yeah, it definitely should not work as such
Plz answer how I get the purple color for smoke
dont know if they fixed with the last hotfix, but the second hit of b21 used to whiff on crouch block so its not so good imo. f21 has a shorter range but is way more consistent.
does he stil have his vortex after this last nerf patch?
No
Scoundrel _ what? r u actually a vegetable?
Well now. That you both very much. Really like Smoke, but have been having a lot of trouble with him.
+FortunePayback He is a really fun variation. My buddies hate when I play him now cause I've got some decent 50/50's and resets with him.
TheKoonman MK Lol. After watching this, I got him down in about 2 hours and now my friends hate it too.
when are you gonna do cyber sub?
dosnt anyone know that if the opponent ducking non ex ball will connect after b1?
I found the vortex but by doing 2 1 phase. Is that better, worse or the same than 3 phase?
Standing 3 leaves you with less damage but more advantage for your 50/50
He's gonna do so good in esl If he competes with smoke
nahh
+Ya Boi Bobby Thanks.
UsedForGlue nahh son
pnd can you guys do an updated BBC ombo video after the tragic nerv of triborg which sho6ldve inlcuded the nerf to "survival is improbable" to "survival is probable"
combo sorry
Ketchup could ya try to get madzin in for the cyber sub one? I just really want him to do a video. love his accent and his gameplay!
he sucks
+Noe Rios Nah, Madzin is the shit! I'm sad I won't be seeing him play BG much anymore.
i know hes playing the kp2 characters a lot, but i doubt he will stop using BG in tourney.
Bg? Blood God?
MrAWALK22 yes
Hey guys. I main smoke and I'm getting combos and such down, but the one thing I have problems with are wake ups. I try to smoke phase through them but they catch me. Any tips?
Are you using EX?
+Jimmy Johnson I meant they catch me before I can do it but I've tried to
+Nikko Mendoza you have to do the move as you getting up form the knockdown. that will make it a wake up. just remember not all wake ups are garentied, some like smokes wake ups are not good. form one smoke to the next on wake up use the smoke away move
switch your opinions up,
Only EX version is safe to wake up with. You can try using normal smoke through but only if your opponent isnt putting pressure (meaning not doing combo inputs or any type of attack while youre still on the floor, if that makes sense)
The best
KM
3 phase forward is only +12 or 13 so only the low is guaranteed. the overhead can be backdashed
nope
+prycethebeast 3 Phase guarantees a b1 also. Go back into the lab and test it. Try to armour out. It completely jails the B1 and B3.
UsedForGlue lies
+UsedForGlue (UsedForGlue) you are right. my apologies I was miss timing it
hello! I like your vids alot!
Dank memes Overview with OmegaK next?
+Mark Fenderov That would be awesome
We need voice overviews with Lord Voice aswell.
So basically his EX spear is useless. Right?
It's safe
+samy29987 Unless you want to fuck with immediately running, teleporting, or smoke bombing. It doesn't pull them to you, but it leaves them stunned.
Collin Aldridge I never see anyone use it never. I guess it's no use.
That's not sound logic, sir. It has its use, it's just better suited when you're closer, bearing in mind that it won't pull them to you. A lot of scrubby players wouldn't like it because it's obviously a little harder to work with than the regular, but that's lazy lol
Please do Cyber Sub Zero. I've barely seen anyone use him and he's such a strong character lol
Nerf incoming hard
+Noe Rios He was already nerfed lmao so was Sektor.
BieberSucksCock100 Then i was right
PLEASE DO A KITANA OVERVIEW WITH KP!!! He'D BE HAPPY TO DO IT
+Space Cadet 1211 The OP netcode was nerfed, sure. But Prime is definitely still in a different region, in a very region locked game
And this variation got nerfed hard, vortex isn't as effective any longer and can easily be mashed out of by using any fast normal.
:) mk rules
fyi b1 smokebomb does link when the opponent crouches.
ex smoke bomb
Discriminated Potato nah regular.
+DissidiaStuff Yes if you're close enough, and it combos in the corner as well.
The only downfall with smoke is no armor and you can easily rush him if your good at it.
smoke is very tough to fight against if someone knows how to use him.
hello mates
Is this vid stuttering for anyone?
His phase needs a nerf. If not take away the Raiden stamina burn for forward teleport.
+Will Powell X character can't have this because Y character does. This discussion is silly and there is more to it than that.
But I dont understand the logic of putting limits on one teleporting character and not the other.
Raider plays so differently, he's actually a threat up close and has armoured attacks. Smoke not as much, so he gets more mobility and zoning.... And a vortex xD
+Funk Me Abra kinda makes sense. 😕
What would you nerf? His phase uses stamina as well unless you meter burn it.
Hey K&P, would you guys be interested in a MKX Collab with Me, TheRONDARIUS and MKX RUclipsrs? We've done this in the past and it was very successful, let us know it would be awesome to have you guys
+BlueDeepDive Sounds like fun. What would it involve?
+PNDK&M We have a tournament were we all compete against each other in fun competitive matches, and afterwords do some koth where we cross network between our channels. It's pretty fun and a lot of us have been doing collabs with each other since then. Me and TheRondarius would love to tell you more about the details, can you follow us on twitter so we can direct message you more about it?
Twitter: BlueDeepDive, TheRONDARIUS
told you
They need nerf Leatherfaces Butcher vortex
he have a vortex? OMG show me
better nerf that 6 frames grab lol!
Man its like mk9 all over again,Kabal had similar style on attack cancels like leatherface on mkxl shits crazy
he was nerfed today i guess. alogside with triborg
+Diogo Gouveia lol they nerfed the vortex and the grab , they read our minds , the 6 frames grab should stay ;c , it was a good punish tool .
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+MKLasher95 I you weren't loved as a child
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In my opinion smokes the worst of the four variations because he has nooo armered moves and he's very unsafe
Kind of like the Cyber Quan Chi
Uhh no armored moves but he has his phase which makes him invincible...he doesnt need a damn armored move
+Nancy Mendoza but most of his moves are unsafe plus no armered moves for example he's smoke away has a gape so you can easily punish
+alex brooklyn not so easily
damn you're stupid
Haha this is sad,smoke players are gonna start getting eatin alive,vortex and pure gimicks,ppl are gonna make sure to 35 to 40 % his ass and read your wake ups soon,r.i.p. smoke
The Professional Hater Yeah you’re clueless. He’s still top tier 😂🖕🏻
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