Why the Prison on Narkina 5 Was Even Worse Than We Thought
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2024
- The prison on Narkina 5 was based on some real world philosophies that Star Wars has drawn from before. Here is how the Empire used psychology to keep their inmates in line. AND included is a discussion about the prison and the other design elements of Andor with production designer Luke Hull and costume designer Michael Wilkinson!
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Alex, thank you for creating compelling, engaging, and well-thought-out content week after week. I genuinely find value in your channel. Too many other Star Wars channels have fallen into this echo chamber of repetition throughout the years. They don't allow the franchise to evolve, change, and try new things. I'm not saying it works every time, but I for one have loved the "new" things since the Disney acquisition, primarily things like Andor and The High Republic. It's frustrating watching other channels and creators put Star Wars in a box, not letting it grow and try new things. Thank you for not only acknowledging these new ventures but for being genuinely excited about and interested in them. I know I speak for several other members of the fandom but thank you for everything you bring to this universe. You're a genuinely valuable player in this space.
You are too right. I love this channel, one of the only ones that I actually enjoy anymore.
Thanks so much!
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Oh my god, my feelings exactly. This show just shown me how other star wars youtubers have zero talent or skills in analysis of cinema and only care about pumping out cheap 5 to 10 minute videos on glub shitto moments or easter eggs.
A 38 minute video? We are blessed. Remember when this channel was called “Star Wars minute”
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I love how the "Voice of God" takes a few seconds to understand what Cassian means by "On Program!" ... We know he says it multiple times per day, but when was the last time he saw someone go "on program", if ever? It's like he says it ritually, but has forgotten what it even means.
Awesome observation.
Yes he could not even comprehend it, at first.
I work in a factory where the upper management are in second floor offices with huge windows that look out at the factory floor. We have lots of funny names for them "the upper deck", "the glass house", "the crystal castle". Many workers are afraid to stand still for even a few seconds for fear some manager might see them slacking and say something (gasp). But if you look up there 99% of the time nobody is watching.
Yup. Panopticon was applied to workplaces, prisons, assymums. Bentham explored the idea and Foucault showed how it was applied across institutions of biopower. This show is so well written I can barely enjoy the Mandalorian any more.
Kino Loy: "What. Taking a breather?"
Episode 9 was called "Nobody's listening!" I happened to watch a bit of Rogue One the other day, and after they upload the DS plans to the Rebels at Scarif, Cassian asks Jyn if she thinks anyone's listening. A nice little callback/connection there, I thought.
I also noticed the Imperial voice heard over the PA at Arkina 5 was electronically modulated. Sure, that imparts a sinister vibe, but I realized it also protects the identity of the speaker (kind of like a real-world interview where the subject is kept in shadows and their voice altered to keep them safe). This struck me as a very telling move on the part of the Imperials running the base, that they were possibly motivated out of fear of personal retaliation.
The voice modulation also means that any of the guards can speak into the microphone and sound the same, providing a false sense of continuity and standardization. Supposedly stormtrooper armor is fully enclosed for a similar effect - an outsider can never tell which one is which.
@@michaelramon2411 You should have more likes than the op
Stormtrooper helmets also have a panopticon effect - because you can't see their eyes, you can't tell where exactly the trooper is looking, and so they could always be looking in your direction.
I love the attention to detail that really shines through on this show.
I was going to say this too.
I love how Andor is a story about a background character, and brings in more Backround characters to make the show feel really good.
This show really has done justice to a lot of these characters and some are quickly rising up the ranks in being my favorite among the franchise. Mon Mothma, Luthen Rael, Cassian Andor, Syril Karn, Dedra Meero, and Kino Loy have all been great.
no fu
Cassian was not a background character in Rogue 1. He was the main character, while Jyn Erso was the McGuffin. He had to, in very utilitarian terms, acquire her, protect her, deliver her to the Rebellion, use that to convince her to actively fight back(before this, she didn't fight for the Rebellion, just survival, even under Forrest Whittaker), then arrange to get her to Scariff to find the Death Star plans, producing the McGuffin for ANH. None of this happened without Cassian, but this *could* have happened without Jyn, it just would have taken longer.
@@CatoNovus I wouldn't say that just because Jyn was important for plot beats that she was just a McGuffin. We do follow her POV and there is a character arc of her growing into the rebellion and coming to terms with her father.
I agree that Cassian would be considered the co-lead and not even close to a background character. He had an arc as well and is the driving force behind most of the plot points until the third act.
@@Hulavuta Yes, she had a will, and everything in the movie required her to act, but it took much longer for her to step into that role than anyone else. Unlike, for the sake of simplicity, Luke Skywalker. The call to action came early on, and he said no, then Owen and Beru were killed, and he stood up and answered the call.
Jyn was given the call to action several times, even knowing the threat of the Empire first-hand, she still refused and it wasn't until the movie was somewhere between half to two-thirds the way through that she finally answered the call and did what was needed.
She was a McGuffin, but she wasn't *just* a McGuffin. What happened with her would be like if the One Ring had decided to help Frodo and Samwise out after the encounter with Shelob. Poor analogy, but that's the best I can do on the fly while at work. Oh, I know, the better analogy is she's more like Han Solo and Cassian is more like Luke, but we're comparing her to ANH Han and him to ESB Luke.
Cassian has already answered the call(in the series, but we haven't gotten to that); but Jyn, like Han, needs to have the sight of everything and the guilt hit her to answer the call, just as Han did.
I still stand by what I said that Rogue One could happen without Jyn, but not without Cassian. He was the driving force to move forward, she was being drug along by that force until she finally began to move forward herself.
“I’m still working out how to do my job… once I figure it out I’ll be bored of it.” Is a great quote
This show has no business being this damn good!!
I love this type of inside look. I'm a big fan of learning the business and art of visual storytelling and the film industry. Great questions from all participants in the panel.
I think Andor is showing us how a background character can gradually transform into the main character. He's not there yet. But we're still not even done with season one. I love the slow burn like a novel. It's more interesting to me. There's meat sizzling on those bones over the hot barby.
When was Cassian ever a background character?? He was one of the main protagonists of the only other film he was in, and this series is literally named after him.
It's sad to see such an uninformed opinion getting recycled around.
@@barryallen871 I think when main characters of Star Wars come into discussion, Rogue One characters seldom get thrown around and that's cause they were the lesser known roles in the galaxy. Unnamed characters who died until brought to light in that movie. Not many got long enough time become attached to them. It's not uninformed opinions, it's rather from their perspective. The series improves our perspective of the character.
@@barryallen871 To be perfectly honest, I don't think of him as a background character either. I think he's central to the series "literally named after him" just as you said. So why did I infer that he was? It's because he doesn't stand out in the larger Star Wars universe in a big, flashy way, at least not yet. That's the point I was trying to make. Too many people don't think his character matches the dynamics of a few others, but I think it's just the opposite because we know the great contribution to the Rebel Alliance and ultimate sacrifice he makes at the end of Rogue One. Andor reveals the slow buildup to the birth of all of that. And if that means he starts out as a background character or not is almost immaterial, except when it's not. I mean, just look at all those flashbacks to his youth, discovering himself in his reflection on the ship that crashed into his world. He starts his journey from there tentatively and having to be rescued, unlike all the main characters portrayed as starting out or born into much better circumstances. It's almost a rags to riches story but told not in the lives he takes or the few credits he steals but in the wealth his better morality would eventually but gradually acquire.
Wonderful added background on the design! Thanks for putting this together and getting the design insight!
Great round table. Thanks!! I feel like you guys teased out as much as possible.
Thx so much for sharing everyone’s questions, all very interesting!
As with so many high-quality and well-made movies and shows before Andor, the settings on Andor play such an important element in the story telling.
The overhead shot of the prison is probably supposed to resemble the Imperial cog moreso, but when I saw it my first thought was that is was echoing the original panopticon design that the prison itself turned out to.
The tighter the grip, the more will slip.
So many interesting details and insights! I wish someone asked about the octagonal theme of Morlana ... it's like the thing in Ron Moore's Battlestar Galactica, where the octagon cut corners reference "cutting corners" to save money wherever they could. It feels like it fits in with the corporate corpo mentality.
The interior of the ISB main meeting room is also white, but to provide some depth and sizes to the room the wall has that sound-proof-looking texture. By design, the ISB supervisors likely still feel alienated and are subject to some version of the panopticon effect in such a circular and white room, but not nearly so much as the prisoners on Narkina 5.
Thanks for sharing this it was really interesting.👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Episode 10 = ants in prison. Great show
Great Stuff!
I am re watching star wars Rebels and governor Raider mentioned in the Leia episode how he and Ezra’s parents worked on assembling the antigravity locks. Seems like most of their prisons were work camps.
Does anyone know how to find/ what the speech thing is called? The thing that surrounds people profile pics in this video and has the lines that move with the audio?
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@@shanent5793 bless you 🙏
...and it's a stealthy QNA
I guess I would consider this prison like hell, compared to my life. But compared to the British Prison Fleet, Andersonville, and the German and Japanese prisons during WWII? Have you read a Russian novel, or Dickens? And for much of history, in many places, they had no concept of prisons (caring long term for prisoners). If you broke a law - or were accused of breaking a law - they cut off a body part, made you a slave or just killed you.
But to stay within the Star Wars Universe, it seems to me there are a lot of people, especially in the outer rim, who might consider this a step up. Work out of the harsh elements, reliable and sufficient food, a safe place to sleep…personally, I was surprised no one said “that’s alright…I’m good.” That’s even without considering the lack of any idea where they’d go - or potentially low likelihood of survival.
Another example of a panopticon prison would be the kiln. The prison from Guardians of the galaxy.
I bet there is little if anything on that entire floating prison that could be used as a flotation device. Other than the boots.
The workstations form a circle, like the Deathstar
Damn Alex...Narkina 5 really hit the spot huh. For a vid this long...
In my imagination, Narkina 5 is exactly what I imagine the inside of an iPhone to look like: white, immaculate, sterile and efficient.
The Panopticon! Have the writers been reading Foucault?
hey! i wrote you about the panopticom as soon as we witnessed Narkina 5. It's a sadistic but effective strategy, as long as they don't find out the truth
Could someone please explain to me how the Empire thought this would work with just moving prisoners around without it becomming common knowlege that that happens?
They were supposed to be moved to another prison. The one prisoner was accidentally placed back in this same prison. I'm assuming that the next prison is a lot more heavily guarded, as its filled with people who know the game now.
It was HELL!
They owned nothing and could never be happy.
How did kino survive when they sparked the floor? He didnt get up on the table. I know the water shorted put the electricity, but the other guy that was standing in the water looked like he died.
As you said, he was not standing in the water. The shock was absorbed by the water and taken from the floor itself.
@@DaleESkywalker i guess that makes sense. I think… electricity isnt my field.
It was because he didn't stand in water at the time, like you pointed out, the guy who died did step into water and got electrocuted. It's the same as a toaster in a bathtub
The funny thing is, pure water technically doesn't conduct electricity at all -- it's the impurities in water that allow it to be conductive. That said, even if the water from that pipe was perfectly distilled (unlikely), the moment it ran across the floor it would pick up bits of dead skin and salt from all the men working in there, and so it would definitely conduct electricity well enough. Humans should always treat water as conductive, because the moment it comes into contact with our flaky, sweaty skin it will be.
@@illyth63 I'm taking a wild guess here and say it's ocean water
But they had guardrails so....😂☮️💕
0:37 Completely unrelated to Star Wars. The first Guardians of the Galaxy film had a watchtower in the middle of the Kyln. The guard within could see the prisoners but the prisoners couldn't see into the watchtower
Also, coming back to Star Wars, does anyone find it twisted on how the prisoners need to be bare foot all the time? I mean, it's a health and safety risk to be bare foot whilst working, but then remember, the Empire only sees manual labourers like the prisoners on Narkina 5 as expendable
The Coruscant questions are getting tired… Why would the city that covers an entire planet that has been the capital of a galaxy for ≈ 10,000 years not have diverse architecture?
I've heard some references of Marxist revolutionaries in relation with Andor, I'd love to hear from the writers how these figures influenced their work.
New Rockstar talks about it I'm Thierry reciew of the ferix ark
Dunno mate, it looks better than my university dormitory
Or my old school for that matter
You wanna go deep into the Panopticon, read some Lacan's "Crime and Punishment." Phew! Might want to bring a dictionary, and a philosophy professor.
I wish there were subtitles, I'm not native English speaker, very hard to understand
Click the CC button on the video.
You can change the language every time.
Am I the only one that got the guy was sorta BS-ing on his Curesant stuff?
loving the show. I'm sure there's a reason, but why are all the prisoners human; why aren't there any aliens?
Alien seem out of place on a prison like this
So they have God too? Han Solo mentioned hell in Empire, so he's not the only one with that belief
Of course there's gonna be religions in a galaxy full of different cultures lmao
@@OGbluetooth_ I said God, not 'religions'
I’ve always wanted more detail on the different religions/gods in the Star Wars universe.
I think they throw things like that in there, just to spark our imagination. Han Solo told an alliance soldier, “I’ll see you in hell!” When he was told his tonton would freeze. The first thing Anakin ever said to Padme was, “Are you an angel?” Just things to get us thinking, maybe
What a dumb question - “Were there any happy accidents … on Andor?”
No! They were too surgical and professional for that.
Please, someone answer me - why the prisoners aren't shaved? Why are they all hairy?
Starwars is about immersion. Don't tell starwars stories, tell stories set within starwars.
17:42 which “other Star Wars” are we talking about? Clearly in A New Hope a good 1/3 of the movie takes place in and around the Lars homestead including inside intimate spaces (the dining table, the room where Luke plays with his T-16 model, the bay where the speeders are kept etc.) in Episode 1 there is a similar amount of attention in the Skywalker home with Anakin’s living space and the meal scene and other intimate spaces. So these scenes in Andor are not really very anomalous in Star Wars. They are very abnormal for Disney Star Wars where Disney has tended to focus on action and flashy CGI.
So is everyone in that prison locked up on exaggerated charges like Cassian? Or does that giant prison facility actually have people serving time for committing actual crimes like murder, sexually based offenses,assault, robbery, and so on? Do we have any clarification on that? Or is that just not important in this grounded show? I’m just curious to be honest.
They definitely are not hard criminals. You saw none of the prison cliches until the two guys faked a fight to distract the guards.
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Is that the flag of Kenya?